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Saturday, February 14, 2009

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TOPIC: It's all falling apart, isn't it?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:01 am
From: Dan

on 2/13/09 12:32 PM Lawyerkill said the following:
> On Feb 13, 1:05�pm, freeisbest <demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 12:43�pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>> "William Boyd" <williamb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>>> When the unemployment rate gets to 10% it should get America's
>>>>>>> attention.
>>>>>> The unemployment rate is over 20% right now, in the U.S.A. �At last
>>>>>> REPORT (that I heard anyway) it was near 7%. �But the formula was
>>>>>> changed/fudged so that it no longer included discouraged workers. �In
>>>>>> other words, if this was say, 1968, the REPORTED unemployment level would
>>>>>> be about 22%.
>>>>> OK Chicken Little why don't you use the statistics.
>>>>> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09037/947350-100.stm
>>>>> U.S. unemployment rate hits 7.6 percent
>> �> > and when those statistics add in discouraged workers? �The
>> number
>> �> > is far greater than 7.6% �-Dave
>>
>> �> Clearly, but I wonder how that number is determined. �Do government
>> �> �workers survey the people who exhausted their unemployment?
>> �>�Perhaps this is a good job for the people who have exhausted
>> �> their unemployment...
>>
>> � � The last time the Bush admin 'adjusted' the figures, they
>> emphatically did not count the people are no longer collecting
>> unemployment. �The only thing that matters to a Repub administration
>> is whether or not their money (i.e., the money we used to think of as
>> the U.S. Treasury) is being wasted on 'welfare'.
>
>
> According to former Labor Secretary Bob Reich unemployment was
> redefined to eliminate five million discouraged workers and to lower
> the unemployment rate
>
>

No, the real reason is that the elites didn't want to the producers to
realize that dole train was getting so big.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:28 am
From: Igor The Terrible

On Feb 13, 8:40 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:14 am, Igor The Terrible
>
>
>
>
>
> <igor_the_terri...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 13, 5:01 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:45:15 -0500, Test User <T...@NosSpam.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >It's all falling apart, isn't it?
> > > >I've been taking a look at the big picture again lately and forgive me
> > > >if I speak the obvious but, it's all falling apart. America. It's
> > > >falling apart.
>
> > > >We have Ivy League Schools whose graduates are dumber than sand. Need
> > > >proof? Look at the financial debacle. These Ivy League Bankers, Brokers
> > > >and Money Managers were too friggin stupid to figure out they were
> > > >running themselves into bankruptcy!
>
> > > >Many of today's American businessmen who aren't outright stupid, are
> > > >turning out to be sociopaths; brazenly robbing, defrauding and scamming
> > > >anyone they can. Take the head of AIG for example; such a schemer that
> > > >he wrecked his company by intentionally doing business in such a way as
> > > >to make bigger bonuses for himself. Same thing with the top guys in
> > > >Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
>
> > > >These guys ran their companies right into Bankruptcy just to enrich
> > > >themselves.
>
> > > >American public school kids are graduating high schools and even
> > > >colleges so dumb that most of them cannot find their own home states on
> > > >an unlabeled map! A whole slew of them can't do basic calculus and their
> > > >ability to spell or think critically is virtually non-existent.
>
> > > >We have a government that is spending so much money there isn't enough
> > > >on the entire planet to lend to them, so they have to print their own
> > > >just to keep pace. That can't last much longer.
>
> > > >We have millions of diseased, uneducated illegal aliens in the country
> > > >who have brought with them their filthy, third-world cultures. These
> > > >pieces of human filth have caused resurgence in diseases like polio,
> > > >long cured from this land!
>
> > > >We treat homosexuals like they're some sort of gift instead of a plague;
> > > >and in some places, the boards of education are unleashing these
> > > >sodomites on young school children to "teach them" about the so-called
> > > >"alternative lifestyle."
>
> > > >If you dare speak out about this stuff, you're smeared as a 'hater" or
> > > >racist, bigot, homophobe or some other such thing.
>
> > > >Things are so bad on so many levels that I no longer recognize my own
> > > >country. Somethings gotta give. This cannot go on.
>
> > > When the unemployment rate gets to 10% it should get America's
> > > attention. Yes, America is in decline via dilution of it's european
> > > population. (yes, means White!)
>
> > > ted
>
> > > sites to visit:
>
> > >http://www.wvw.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> > >http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News- Hide quoted text -
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>
> > So...........? Big deal. The rest of the world's human population
> > is still thriving.-
>
> not actually thriving if you take a closer look.
>
> Im an old time contractor type, industrial systems and controls, semi
> retired now.. I spend a lot of time in starbucks when im on a
> project... a good drill is to notice whom there you think you could
> hire to do what you need done..... any high end skill or even mid
> range trade, you dont see many options running around lattely
>
> ask any employer.... in the EU also, over run these days my people
> from the middle east out breeding the natives eight to one; and not
> adapting to the culture, instead rioting
>
> Phil scott
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That is what I was saying. Nothing to do from an economic point of
view. Just breeding. I think I elaborated on that point somewhere
else in this thread.

On that same note you are right about the skill sets. More people
seem to be shying away from the trades these days.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:32 am
From: "meport"

Wrong. They aren't dumber than anyone else. Greedier than most, maybe.
More conniving than most, I doubt it because most people would have done the
exact thing given the chance. Lacking the moral core of most, possibly.
But not dumber.

--
John and Joan
<wismel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k7hap45mqma3uc0uc4t209fblbk49tvsh6@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:45:15 -0500, Test User <Test@NosSpam.net>
> wrote:
>
>>It's all falling apart, isn't it?
>>I've been taking a look at the big picture again lately and forgive me
>>if I speak the obvious but, it's all falling apart. America. It's
>>falling apart.
>>
>>We have Ivy League Schools whose graduates are dumber than sand. Need
>>proof? Look at the financial debacle. These Ivy League Bankers, Brokers
>>and Money Managers were too friggin stupid to figure out they were
>>running themselves into bankruptcy!
>>
>>Many of today's American businessmen who aren't outright stupid, are
>>turning out to be sociopaths; brazenly robbing, defrauding and scamming
>>anyone they can. Take the head of AIG for example; such a schemer that
>>he wrecked his company by intentionally doing business in such a way as
>>to make bigger bonuses for himself. Same thing with the top guys in
>>Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
>>
>>These guys ran their companies right into Bankruptcy just to enrich
>>themselves.
>>
>>American public school kids are graduating high schools and even
>>colleges so dumb that most of them cannot find their own home states on
>>an unlabeled map! A whole slew of them can't do basic calculus and their
>>ability to spell or think critically is virtually non-existent.
>>
>>We have a government that is spending so much money there isn't enough
>>on the entire planet to lend to them, so they have to print their own
>>just to keep pace. That can't last much longer.
>>
>>We have millions of diseased, uneducated illegal aliens in the country
>>who have brought with them their filthy, third-world cultures. These
>>pieces of human filth have caused resurgence in diseases like polio,
>>long cured from this land!
>>
>>We treat homosexuals like they're some sort of gift instead of a plague;
>>and in some places, the boards of education are unleashing these
>>sodomites on young school children to "teach them" about the so-called
>>"alternative lifestyle."
>>
>>If you dare speak out about this stuff, you're smeared as a 'hater" or
>>racist, bigot, homophobe or some other such thing.
>>
>>Things are so bad on so many levels that I no longer recognize my own
>>country. Somethings gotta give. This cannot go on.
>
> Perhaps when the unemployment rate hits 10% we might get a rise
> from the general public. It will take a radical rebuild of America
> whose demographics are declining from a qualitative standpoint.
> (90% White, 1970, 69% White, 2008)
>
> ted
>
> sites:
>
> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:43 am
From: Dave Garland

fang wrote:
> Dave wrote
>
>>>> and when those statistics add in discouraged workers?
>
>>> Those aint the unemployed, those are the discouraged. We have different words for a reason, stupid.
>
>> People who want to work but can't find a job. Much of them are called unemployed.
>
> Those who are no longer looking for work for whatever reason, arent unemployed.

"Employed" is logically a true-false item. You're either employed
(have a job) or you're unemployed (don't have a job). One can
usefully further subdivide into categories of reasons (a 4-year-old is
unemployed, but for these purposes maybe doesn't count as a human
being). Someone who can only find 8 hours work per week is employed,
but probably not adequately.

There are different ways to count. The US Government has six
different scales. The number they mostly use in news releases is
"U3", which ignores people who have stopped looking for work. But U4
and U5 count those people as unemployed. (U6 also counts people who
work part-time but can't find full-time work.) It looks like some of
the measures don't count military or people working on farms.

> Nope, we have different words for the different groups of people for a reason, stupid.

Indeed. As stupid as it is to think that there's only one way to
measure the number.

Another Dave

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TOPIC: Countrywide/First USA End 2% Cash Rebate Visa
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:04 am
From: SMS

I knew that it was too good to last. I got a letter telling me that the
2% cash rebate is history on March 29th. This was the best credit card
cash rebate program available.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:50 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <_QCll.20386$Ws1.17147@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I knew that it was too good to last. I got a letter telling me that the
> 2% cash rebate is history on March 29th. This was the best credit card
> cash rebate program available.

Discover Card has had the 2% cash back, which you can double by
taking a coupon for any of the vendors that advertise with them.
They also have 5% on selected items, which rotates every 90 days.
This quarter, it is on travel related items like airline tickets.
I have used Discover Card since they first came out in the mid
1980s, and never had an issue with them.

-john-

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:22 am
From: "h"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:_QCll.20386$Ws1.17147@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>I knew that it was too good to last. I got a letter telling me that the 2%
>cash rebate is history on March 29th. This was the best credit card cash
>rebate program available.

My BoA card is 5% on the things I buy most, 1% on everything else. It has a
one category 5% option and I choose the category.

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TOPIC: America is doomed without industrial restoration
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ac833194943bee0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:35 am
From: "Mark M."

John A. Weeks III wrote:
> In article <P56dneJrWfq4fwvUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "Mark M." <mark@ztech.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DanB (Previously DB) wrote:
>>
>>>Mark M. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>residualselfimage1999@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 12, 6:26 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>All the bailouts... and the stimulii...all the hot air....the debt...
>>>>>>the debt servicing... they DON"T MATTER
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the
>>>>>>loss of US created wealth. Unless the US can rebuild its
>>>>>>manufacturing capability it will be a
>>>>>>long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>China's current economic tumble shows that even
>>>>>a highly productive economy with a high manufacturing
>>>>>capacity does not necessarily adequately protect
>>>>>an economy from a downturn -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>China could help itself by having Chinese workers consume more of what
>>>>they produce.
>>>
>>>
>>>I think it may be easer said. They already have a huge wealth disparity
>>>problem. Migrant workers are well off the charts of affording what they
>>>produce.
>>
>>Of course higher wages must precede greater consumption.
>
>
> That isn't always the case. What we are seeing right now is that
> people are concerned about the future. As a result, they are
> diverting what they normally spend into paying down debt and
> increasing savings.

Where are you getting this?

People are getting laid off. People are defaulting on their mortgages. People
can't afford the basic necessities, and you think they are paying off their
debts and saving?

Are you nuts?

Mark M.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:52 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <1-WdnTJXmNZIYAvUnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mark M." <mark@ztech.com> wrote:

> John A. Weeks III wrote:
> > In article <P56dneJrWfq4fwvUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > "Mark M." <mark@ztech.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>DanB (Previously DB) wrote:
> >>
> >>>Mark M. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>residualselfimage1999@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Feb 12, 6:26 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>All the bailouts... and the stimulii...all the hot air....the debt...
> >>>>>>the debt servicing... they DON"T MATTER
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the
> >>>>>>loss of US created wealth. Unless the US can rebuild its
> >>>>>>manufacturing capability it will be a
> >>>>>>long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>China's current economic tumble shows that even
> >>>>>a highly productive economy with a high manufacturing
> >>>>>capacity does not necessarily adequately protect
> >>>>>an economy from a downturn -
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>China could help itself by having Chinese workers consume more of what
> >>>>they produce.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think it may be easer said. They already have a huge wealth disparity
> >>>problem. Migrant workers are well off the charts of affording what they
> >>>produce.
> >>
> >>Of course higher wages must precede greater consumption.
> >
> >
> > That isn't always the case. What we are seeing right now is that
> > people are concerned about the future. As a result, they are
> > diverting what they normally spend into paying down debt and
> > increasing savings.
>
> Where are you getting this?
>
> People are getting laid off. People are defaulting on their mortgages.
> People
> can't afford the basic necessities, and you think they are paying off their
> debts and saving?
>
> Are you nuts?

The data doesn't lie. Perhaps you need to do a bit of reading and
come up to speed on current economic statistics.

-john-

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:54 am
From: "torresD"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nJ7LM3iyNg

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TOPIC: Hard boiled eggs.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 10:16 am
From: "Ed Pawlowski"

"brooklyn1" <gravesend10@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:E0Cll.237$hm.72@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:xisll.10580$8_3.504@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "brooklyn1" <gravesend10@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Bear in mind that if you hard-boil them, then you can pile them all in
>>>> a vertical container that takes a lot less space than an egg carton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's just silly... any fridge with enough height between shelves to
>>> stack a dozen eggs would be humongous, would certainly have room to
>>> store eggs the normal way. Six large eggs stacked short side to short
>>> side (as in an egg carton) measure like 10". A dozen eggs would need
>>> like a 20" long tube...
>>
>> Talk about silly. Why would they have to be stacked egg on egg? A
>> pitcher though, would stack them vertical, yet nested a bit and take
>> minimal space. Loosen up your thought process a bit.
> Tighten up on your attributions.
>

Did you not say the above about "That's just silly"?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 10:41 am
From: blake murphy

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:59:18 -0800 (PST), James wrote:

> My local Safeway has large eggs on sale this week for 99 cents a
> dozen.
>
> If I cook a bunch of hard boiled eggs would they keep in their shells
> at room temperature? I don't have room in the fridge.

this is the dope on eggs, according to the f.d.a.:

(U. S. Food and Drug Administration FDA Consumer
January 1992)
"Use raw shell eggs within 5 weeks after bringing them home. Use hard-
cooked eggs (in the shell or peeled) within 1 week after cooking. Use
leftover yolks and whites within 4 days after removing them from the
shell."

or, from the current f.d.a site:

Product Refrigerator Freezer
Eggs
Fresh, in shell 4 to 5 weeks Don't freeze
Raw yolks, whites 2 to 4 days 1 year
Hardcooked 1 week Doesn't freeze well

you can even tell when they are packed:

Dating of Cartons
Many eggs reach stores only a few days after the hen lays them. Egg
cartons with the USDA grade shield on them must display the "pack
date" (the day that the eggs were washed, graded, and placed in the
carton). The number is a three-digit code that represents the
consecutive day of the year (the "Julian Date") starting with January
1 as 001 and ending with December 31 as 365.

Always purchase eggs before the "Sell-By" or "EXP" (expiration) date
on the carton. After the eggs reach home, they may be refrigerated 3
to 5 weeks from the day they are placed in the refrigerator. The
"Sell-By" date will usually expire during that length of time, but the
eggs are perfectly safe to use. This date is not federally required,
but may be State required.)

some folks say the f.d.a. recommendations (for almost anything) are too
conservative, but you should be rock-bottom safe if you follow them.

your pal,
blake

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 10:59 am
From: "ares"

"E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:z2Dll.3805
>
> If eggs could be spoiled, you can open each one individually and see if
> the yolk runs.

Lol; you mean using its legs?
ares

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:09 am
From: "brooklyn1"

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> "brooklyn1" wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wote:
>>> "brooklyn1" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bear in mind that if you hard-boil them, then you can pile them all in
>>>>> a vertical container that takes a lot less space than an egg carton.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's just silly... any fridge with enough height between shelves to
>>>> stack a dozen eggs would be humongous, would certainly have room to
>>>> store eggs the normal way. Six large eggs stacked short side to short
>>>> side (as in an egg carton) measure like 10". A dozen eggs would need
>>>> like a 20" long tube...
>>>
>>> Talk about silly. Why would they have to be stacked egg on egg? A
>>> pitcher though, would stack them vertical, yet nested a bit and take
>>> minimal space. Loosen up your thought process a bit.
>> Tighten up on your attributions.
>>
>
> Did you not say the above about "That's just silly"?
>
You have me attributed to:
"Bear in mind if you hard-boil them, then you can pile them all in a
vertical container that takes a lot less space than an egg carton."

I did not say that. I explained why stacking is silly, with which next you
seemed to concur, but omited here. You'd do much better if you were as
heavy handed with house cleaning attributions as you are with editing
text... if everyone cleaned up attributions as I do (see above) there'd be
far less misinterpretation.

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TOPIC: Car Insurance
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:46 am
From: "Dave"

>>
>> That's another way of saying that health care costs are TOTALLY out of
>> control. -Dave
>>
> I'm saying nothing of the kind, and that's another subject anyway. At the
> moment, that's the way the world is, and a prudent person does what s/he
> can
> to deal with it. It's certainly not an argument for not buying auto
> insurance.

Well didn't mean to change the subject. But it's typical for a one-night
hospital stay to cost more than a middle-class families gross YEARLY income.
If that is not a broken health care system, what is? -Dave

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:42 am
From: Mark Anderson

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:40:57 -0500, Lou wrote:

>> Here in the great banana republic of Illinois the required coverage for
>> liability is $40,000. If you insure the minimum and someone ran up a
>> $100K medical bill you'd still be uninsured for $60K, almost like
>> having no insurance at all.
>
> The easy answer is that you insure for more than the legal minimum. The
> other point is that if you end up having to pay, it's a lot easier to
> pay 60K than it is to pay 100K.

It all comes down to the amount of risk you are willing to take. If you
run someone over and they live the liability could run up into the
millions. When hit with a multi-million dollar judgment how much is your
$40K or $300K or $500K insurance policy worth? The plaintiff will take
all your assets and bankrupt you regardless.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:46 am
From: Dave Garland

Lou wrote:
> "Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote in message
>> That's another way of saying that health care costs are TOTALLY out of
>> control.
>>
> I'm saying nothing of the kind, and that's another subject anyway. At the
> moment, that's the way the world is,

Actually, that's the way the USA is, not the world.

Another Dave

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TOPIC: Money ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 9:57 am
From: Dennis

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:25:01 -0800, Okikuro
<georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>how much over the price of gold (troy oz.) should one pay for a coin?
>Like the Canadian Maple Leaf?

These guys are usually fairly competitive, price-wise. At least their
site should give you some idea.

http://www.ajpm.com

My only affiliation is being a (satisfied) customer in the past.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 10:09 am
From: OhioGuy

albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:
> On Feb 11, 4:12 pm, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday I found a copy of Panzer General II for 60 cents. Today I
>> got a Sound Blaster Live sound card for $1, Nvidia Geforce 2 AGP video
>> card for $2 and an IBM PS2 keyboard with the wonderful clickety clack
>> sounding keys for $1.
>>
>> What have you found lately?
>
> Sorry partner. I wouldn't give you a buck for all that stuff you named
> above. It's all old junk. You reminded me to clean out my storage.

Hmm. Well, it certainly is all old, but not junk to me. I almost
paid $20 for Panzer General II once upon a time, so I saved over $19 by
waiting.

I'm a writer by trade, and I rather despised the ~$3 el cheapo
keyboard that came with my PC. I consider the genuine IBM keyboard to
be something just for me, to make me feel better when I type. Then
again, I suppose I like it because it feels more like my Dad's old
manual typewriter, which I did all my papers on in high school, when I
learned to type. It has more tactile feedback. I didn't NEED to spend
the $1 on it, but I wanted to, so I did.

The Sound Blaster Live was not needed, but about 5 months ago I had
to disable the onboard sound on my computer upstairs, because of all the
static it was getting. Reloading the drivers didn't solve the problem,
and it became impossible to enjoy any music, any games, or especially,
any of the movies or TV we usually watched on the PC. A cheap Sound
Blaster solved that for me. I figured it was worth a dollar to have a
replacement ready for the next time I'll need one.

As for the video card, my motherboard had a really crappy Sis onboard
video, and that sucked up part of the system memory. I had stuck in a
cheapo AGP video card, but somehow the last time I was in there, a
capacitor got knocked off, so I had to replace that card. The
replacement card had lines I eventually decided I couldn't stand. This
$2 card has very sharp video, plus it has an s-video out I may be able
to use with my projector, so it's a good deal for me. This PC is slated
to go in our exercise room eventually, and at that point 99%+ of its use
will be in playing videos, and this will work just fine.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 10:59 am
From: OhioGuy

I've run into a couple of instances recently where a company seems to
have retroactively changed the warranty on a product. The first was the
actual manufacturer, and the second was a reseller.

The first was a Logitech Trackman Wheel trackball, model # T-BB18.
Inside the retail box, it clearly describes it as "Logitech warrants
that any hardware products accompanying this documentation shall be free
from significant defects in material and workmanship for a period of
five years from the date of purchase." On the back of the box, it even
says in French, Garantie 5 ans, and in Spanish, Garantia de 5 anos. I
think it was pretty clear cut.

However, when I got on the website and put in the model # and
everything, they only show a 3 year warranty for it. 2 years
disappeared! So instead of having just under 4 years left, I supposedly
only have less than 2 years. Not nice being told your warranty has been
cut in half, and you're not getting what the box said you were.
Normally it wouldn't be much of an issue, but the cord developed some
sort of short circuit about 3" from where it leaves the trackball, so
I'm going to try to get it replaced under the warranty. (granted - it's
a first for any Logitech product I've ever owned)

The other instance was a digital projector that was advertised on
Tigerdirect.com with a 24 month warranty on parts, and a 24 month
warranty on labor. (the manufacturer's website says that the warranty
varies by reseller) At the time I placed my order, I decided it would
also be prudent to grab a screenshot of the page showing the two year
warranty.

I'm glad I did, because now that Tigerdirect is sold out, when I go
to the same page and look at the description, it has been changed to
show only a 12 month warranty on parts and labor - not 24 months. I
have proof that it was marketed and sold as having a two year warranty,
so I hope the manufacturer will honor this if I need to have the unit
serviced during that time.

How about you - have you noticed any similar changing of an
advertised warranty after the fact?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:29 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <gn74cm$1b63$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net>
wrote:

> I've run into a couple of instances recently where a company seems to
> have retroactively changed the warranty on a product. The first was the
> actual manufacturer, and the second was a reseller.

In general, the store that sold you the merchandise can be held
to honor the warranty. Simply file a small claims suit, and show
your paperwork to the judge. If you can show the date of purchase
and the paper with the warranty period, you should prevail.

-john-

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:36 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Yes they can do that for NEW sales, but not for a sale already made.

OhioGuy wrote:

> I've run into a couple of instances recently where a company seems
> to have retroactively changed the warranty on a product. The first
> was the actual manufacturer, and the second was a reseller.

The law applys to both.

> The first was a Logitech Trackman Wheel trackball, model # T-BB18.
> Inside the retail box, it clearly describes it as "Logitech warrants
> that any hardware products accompanying this documentation shall be
> free from significant defects in material and workmanship for a
> period of five years from the date of purchase." On the back of the
> box, it even says in French, Garantie 5 ans, and in Spanish, Garantia
> de 5 anos. I think it was pretty clear cut.

Yep.

> However, when I got on the website and put in the model # and everything, they only show a 3 year warranty for it. 2
> years disappeared!

Doesnt affect the warranty you are legally entitled to.

> So instead of having just under 4 years left, I supposedly only have less than 2 years.

Thats wrong. You are legally entitled to what the box and paperwork say.

> Not nice being told your warranty has been cut in half,

It hasnt been.

> and you're not getting what the box said you were.

You're still legally entitled to that.

> Normally it wouldn't be much of an issue, but the cord developed some sort of short circuit about 3" from where it
> leaves the trackball, so I'm going to try to get it replaced under the warranty.

You'll be fine.

> (granted - it's a first for any Logitech product I've ever owned)

Yeah, presumably its just them cutting their costs with the economy tanking.

> The other instance was a digital projector that was advertised on
> Tigerdirect.com with a 24 month warranty on parts, and a 24 month
> warranty on labor. (the manufacturer's website says that the warranty
> varies by reseller) At the time I placed my order, I decided it would also be prudent to grab a screenshot of the
> page showing the two year warranty.

> I'm glad I did, because now that Tigerdirect is sold out, when I go
> to the same page and look at the description, it has been changed to show only a 12 month warranty on parts and
> labor - not 24 months. I have proof that it was marketed and sold as having a two year
> warranty, so I hope the manufacturer will honor this if I need to
> have the unit serviced during that time.

> How about you - have you noticed any similar changing of an advertised warranty after the fact?

Nope. But then I havent looked either.

Recently bought a LX310 and its got a 5 year warranty on the box and the web site.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 11:10 am
From: OhioGuy

Actually, I'm already getting digital TV. (note that I mentioned the
signal strength, which an analog tuner usually doesn't report)

I bought a TR-40 CRA (DTV Pal, essentially) receiver that has a Dish
Network remote. It works pretty well, and I noticed immediately that it
could bring in a couple of digital stations that two other digital
receivers had not been able to get. Best deal out there at $10 after
coupon, in my opinion.

However, on certain days I've noticed that some of the channels seem
weak, even though we are only about 4 miles from the transmitters, and
there are no obstructions between us and them. (we can actually see the
transmitter towers if we use binoculars)

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