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TOPIC: Stimulus = PORK...BIG, BIG PORK!!! Oink, oink, oink....oink, oink...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 2:24 pm
From: "Jack G."

On Feb 9, 3:59 am, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:50 am, Igor The Terrible
>
>
>
>
>
> <igor_the_terri...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> > Just like I told everyone on this and other groups...the stimulus is
> > the biggest and most profound act of sodomizing taxpayers in this
> > planet's history. GUess what is going to happen to the economy when
> > all the handout money goes through the system? We'll be right back to
> > square one--only further in the hole and looking at a far worse
> > recession.
>
> > The solution to this alleged crisis is so simple a fucking caveman
> > could fix it, but I guess the elected parties involved are still
> > running about aimlessly, dragging their knuckles, trying to figure out
> > what a wheel does.
>
> > Either way, Igor is prepared to deal with the clowns...one way or
> > another. Hope you are too.
>
> >http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1026584967
>
> Watch the comatose public howl when the stimulus bill does nothing but
> increase debt and enrich those in certain industries.
>
> mitch
>
> http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They voted for change.
I wonder how much BS those tin cups will hold?
Change!!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 4:06 pm
From: never@millions.com

On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:24:45 -0800 (PST), "Jack G."
<jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote:

>On Feb 9, 3:59 am, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 2:50 am, Igor The Terrible
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <igor_the_terri...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
>> > Just like I told everyone on this and other groups...the stimulus is
>> > the biggest and most profound act of sodomizing taxpayers in this
>> > planet's history. GUess what is going to happen to the economy when
>> > all the handout money goes through the system? We'll be right back to
>> > square one--only further in the hole and looking at a far worse
>> > recession.
>>
>> > The solution to this alleged crisis is so simple a fucking caveman
>> > could fix it, but I guess the elected parties involved are still
>> > running about aimlessly, dragging their knuckles, trying to figure out
>> > what a wheel does.
>>
>> > Either way, Igor is prepared to deal with the clowns...one way or
>> > another. Hope you are too.
>>
>> >http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1026584967
>>
>> Watch the comatose public howl when the stimulus bill does nothing but
>> increase debt and enrich those in certain industries.
>>
>> mitch
>>
>> http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>They voted for change.
>I wonder how much BS those tin cups will hold?
>Change!!!!

It depends on two variables: 1, how big is the cup; 2, how much BS.

DCI

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TOPIC: What's so Good about George Forman Grill? vs Frying Pan?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 2:37 pm
From: lbbss

What's so Good about George Foreman Grill? Besides that it's
healthier, since the fat runs off. Other wise, is it not the same as
a Frying pan, taste wise? It's no resubstitute for a bbq, since
you don't get flame and smoke smell. Just curious, if they are
worth buying? thanks.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 3:38 pm
From: clams_casino

lbbss wrote:

>What's so Good about George Foreman Grill? Besides that it's
>healthier, since the fat runs off. Other wise, is it not the same as
>a Frying pan, taste wise? It's no resubstitute for a bbq, since
>you don't get flame and smoke smell. Just curious, if they are
>worth buying? thanks.
>
>

We found it useless for meat (lacks the good carcinogenic browning), but
found it very useful for essentially steaming vegetables & fish.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 3:45 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Feb 9, 5:37 pm, lbbss <labi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What's so Good about George Foreman Grill? Besides that it's
> healthier, since the fat runs off. Other wise, is it not the same as
> a Frying pan, taste wise? It's no resubstitute for a bbq, since
> you don't get flame and smoke smell. Just curious, if they are
> worth buying? thanks.

Or you could wait for a garage sale at the end of this long tunnel we
call winter.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 4:53 pm
From: "Evelyn"

"lbbss" <labicff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4364dbf3-a828-459f-9318-48d447f3ce9f@u13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> What's so Good about George Foreman Grill? Besides that it's
> healthier, since the fat runs off. Other wise, is it not the same as
> a Frying pan, taste wise? It's no resubstitute for a bbq, since
> you don't get flame and smoke smell. Just curious, if they are
> worth buying? thanks.

The only benefit is that both sides of the item being cooked, are cooked at
once because both top and bottom plates of the grill are hot. Spatter is
reduced as well. So speed and reduction of spatter are the two main
benefits.

They are awkward to clean and you have to store it as well. A frying pan
is still tops.

--
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn

Rest in a sky-like mind.
Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breathe like the wind circling the world

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:08 pm
From: Marsha

lbbss wrote:
> What's so Good about George Foreman Grill? Besides that it's
> healthier, since the fat runs off. Other wise, is it not the same as
> a Frying pan, taste wise? It's no resubstitute for a bbq, since
> you don't get flame and smoke smell. Just curious, if they are
> worth buying? thanks.

Nothing special. George just needs the money to pay for all his
children who are named after him.

Marsha

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:19 pm
From: me@privacy.net

lbbss <labicff@yahoo.com> wrote:

I was given one as a gift but never found it convenient
to use or clean so gave it away

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:19 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:

>They are awkward to clean and you have to store it as well. A frying pan
>is still tops.

Agree

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:31 pm
From: Dave Garland

lbbss wrote:

> What's so Good about George Foreman Grill? Besides that it's
> healthier, since the fat runs off.

That's the main thing. Very handy if you don't have a stove.

> Other wise, is it not the same as a Frying pan, taste wise?

Pretty much. I suggest adding chopped garlic, crushed chile pepper,
and soy sauce to hamburger, all mushed in, and they taste pretty good.

>Just curious, if they are worth buying?

At a secondhand store, or a garage sale, for a few bucks. Note that
for used ones you will almost always have to find your own "drip
catcher" as the original will be lost.. a corn or banana split dish
may work.

But, like all of those other specialty kitchen gadgets, it's one more
gadget. If you cook with it almost every day, maybe worth it.
Otherwise, it'll go back to the thrift shop for someone else.

Dave

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TOPIC: Wall St. Journal: On saving on phone service and cable
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 3:43 pm
From: Gordon

dcarthellk@gmail.com wrote in news:1313a24d-c629-4bc3-89c5-
b7b63ea4a90e@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

>>The idea of a wi-fi enabled phone
>> for internet access is an intresting idea.
>
> Wifi is great, where it is available. For home users like me,
> my options are limited. My city has precisely one metro-
> politan-wide wifi provider. Everybody else serves businesses
> within very small pockets of the area I live.
>
> -d
>

I can set up my own wi-fi bubble here at home. After all,
I have Verizon's fiber optic running right to my door.
For raoming around, there are plenty of free hotspots
around town. We have a group here called the Personal
Telco Project that installs free hot spots in some of
the most used "hang out" spots in town.

I'll be evalauating Wi-fi as part of the usage patterns.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 4:58 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

>I can set up my own wi-fi bubble here at home. After all,
>I have Verizon's fiber optic running right to my door.
>For raoming around, there are plenty of free hotspots
>around town. We have a group here called the Personal
>Telco Project that installs free hot spots in some of
>the most used "hang out" spots in town.

Interesting! How do they fund this and what technology
is used? Must be something off shelf that is low cost
yes?

>I'll be evalauating Wi-fi as part of the usage patterns.

Me too...... going to buy a wifi enabled cell phone....
but waiting for some Android based phones to come out
that are wifi.

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TOPIC: gas should be 95c a gallon right now
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 4:53 pm
From: josejarvie@ssnet.net

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:16:26 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>OhioGuy wrote:
>> I was looking at the price of crude oil recently, and did some quick
>> calculations. Based on the current prices refiners are paying, and
>> comparing it to what we were paying for gasoline a couple of months back
>> ($1.39 around here), we should now be paying about 95 cents a gallon for
>> gas.
>>
>> Instead, as the price for crude oil has fallen, and as a surplus of
>> crude oil builds, the price has actually GONE UP by about 50 cents.
>>
>> Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought that as the supply
>> increased, and the demand decreased, that the price also decreased. That
>> was what they taught us in macro and micro economics, anyway.
>
>Economic rules only apply if there is an honest market that isn't
>influenced by speculators and others who have rigged the game for their
>own gain.
>
>
>>
>> So why is the price slowly going up right now?

How long does it take for a barrel of oil to be converted to gas then then distrubuted to a gas station half a
world away from where the oil came from? Regardless of where it is refined.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:20 pm
From: me@privacy.net

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Economic rules only apply if there is an honest market that isn't
>influenced by speculators and others who have rigged the game for their
>own gain.

DING DING DING!!

We have a winner!

Well said

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:38 pm
From: "Lou"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:gmpdlt$u01$1@news.ett.com.ua...
> I was looking at the price of crude oil recently, and did some quick
> calculations. Based on the current prices refiners are paying, and
> comparing it to what we were paying for gasoline a couple of months back
> ($1.39 around here), we should now be paying about 95 cents a gallon for
> gas.
>
> Instead, as the price for crude oil has fallen, and as a surplus of
> crude oil builds, the price has actually GONE UP by about 50 cents.
>
> Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought that as the supply
> increased, and the demand decreased, that the price also decreased.
> That was what they taught us in macro and micro economics, anyway.
>
> So why is the price slowly going up right now?

Supply and demand rule, but you're talking about the price of crude oil. If
you're burning crude oil instead of refined gasoline, you're one up on the
rest of us.

According to the morning news, crude was about $40/bbl today. Since there
are 42 gallons in a barrel, that works out to a shade over 95 cents a gallon
for crude. I don't know how you think that translates into 95 cents a
gallon for gasoline. Your local supermarket probably marks up the stuff it
sells by somewhere around 100% (that is, if they buy it for one dollar, they
sell it for two bucks). Any reasonable allowance for the costs involved in
turning crude oil into gasoline would put the price at somewhere around
$1.90/gallon, before gas taxes. It was less than that before tax price
tonight when I filled up the tank, and my price included taxes.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:40 pm
From: "Lou"

"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
news:6dSdnXArr8VE0A3UnZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@posted.visi...
> OhioGuy wrote:
> > I was looking at the price of crude oil recently...
> > Based on the current prices refiners are paying,
> > and comparing it to what we were paying for gasoline
> > a couple of months back ($1.39 around here), we
> > should now be paying about 95 cents a gallon for gas.
> > So why is the price slowly going up right now?
>
> The way taxes on gas work (they're mostly "per gallon" rather than a
> percentage of the price), prices will not drop completely
> proportionately. But that's not really the (whole) explanation.
> Except when profit margins are thin and competition intense, there's
> not really much relation between what the product costs to make, and
> what they charge you. They charge as much as they can get away with.

Absolutely. Pretty much the same thing I do, and everyone I know does, when
looking for a job, or for that matter, a raise.

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TOPIC: Can you recommend a DVR for over the air recording?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:10 pm
From: "Bob F"

hallerb@aol.com wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2:03?pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:glcd37$1fm0$1@news.ett.com.ua...
>>> ? We recently got one of those digital tuners so that our TV would
>>> still be able to receive channels after the change next month. ?It
>>> works great, and since it has a timer, it will switch to whatever
>>> channel we want at any time we want. ?We are able to still use our
>>> VCR with it.
>>
>>> ? However, I think within a few months, for simplicity, we would
>>> like to switch over to using a DVR. ?Here is what I'm looking for:
>>
>>> 1) Easy to use menu - works with over the air ATSC
>>
>>> 2) upgradeable - if I want to pop in a larger SATA drive to upgrade
>>> it, I can
>>
>>> 3) mpeg 4/h.264 compression
>>
>>> 4) USB Port - so I can export recorded files if I want to watch
>>> them elsewhere
>>
>>> ? Does anything like this even exist? ?I've seen some DVD burning
>>> recorders at the stores, but haven't really seen a good replacement
>>> for a VCR yet. ?I won't consider anything that has a subscription
>>> fee. (that's partly why I avoid cable in the first place, plus most
>>> things on cable are available free on DVD from the library within a
>>> year)
>>
>> There are many PC based TV tuners available, and several options for
>> software to
>> run them. Most come with their own software, or PVR programs like
>> BeyondTV,
>> MythTV, GP-PVR, and SageTV can handle multiple brands of tuners for
>> multiple
>> channel recordings. You will need a good video card to handle output
>> of HD
>> content to your TV. You can add as big of a harddrive as you want
>> for storage
>> space.
>>
>> Some programs, like BeyondTV, mark commercials for instant
>> bypassing, though
>> they are not 100% accurate.
>>
>> Try googleing "PC PVR", "PC DVR", etc.
>>
>> I just found this by doing so. Even Yahoo ihas an
>> offering.http://sites.mobile.yahoo.com/go/tv/index- Hide quoted text
>> -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> http://www.dtvpal.com/
>
>
> Simple to setup and easy to use
> Amazing picture and sound quality
> Record up to 150 hours of your favorite shows
> Pause any show - even live TV - for up to 60 minutes
> Skip recorded commercials with exclusive 30-second skip button
> Create instant replay with 10-second skip back
> Dual tuner allows you to:
> Watch one live show while you record another
> Record two live shows while you watch a previously recorded show
> Available downloads keep your DTVPal DVR up-to-date
>
> New TIVOS will do this and more, but have a monthly guide charge, of
> about 14 bucks a month:( or $400 lifetime
>
> the only limitation is the guide is time based like a VCR record
> channel 4 between 8 pm and 9 pm.
>
> name based guides like TIVO can detect a show changing time or day.
>
> the dtvpal will record 2 shows at the same time. thats really
> useful.:)
>
> incidently people have already upgraded the hard drives for larger
> storage time

The TV tuner card in your computer will do the same for lot less. Most include
software with TV guide type easy program selection. The BeyondTV program
actually marks the commercial breaks (Maybe 80% accurate) so that you can
one-click past many commercial breaks.

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TOPIC: How McDonald's responds to cheap bastards like us
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/23d05596d9ead4e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:12 pm
From: Marsha

Don Klipstein wrote:
> * Once I saw a supermarket give unit prices of Brand A dish detergent in
> cents per ounce and Brand B of dish detergent in cents per quart.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

This is my favorite ingenious way to confuse the consumer. Always have
a calculator handy.

Marsha

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TOPIC: Cheap doesn't mean frugal.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:36 pm
From: ezekielk@goct.net (Zeke Krahlin)

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), James
<j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
>Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
>price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.

Buck-buck-bu-gawk!

--
Final Testament (bible for queers only)
http://www.gay-bible.org

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TOPIC: McDonald's Fries
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 5:57 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <MPG.23fa1c5213b655bd989a15@news.wowway.com>, Cheapo Groovo wrote:

>I know many are unhappy with MCD raising their dollar menu.

What's up with that? I though the upticking inflation of earlier and
middle of this year was blamed heavily on oil prices, and now oil prices
are lowest in 5 years or something like that. Wheat prices peaked about a
year ago and are lowest in over a year, little over half what they were a
year ago. Corn is less than it was a year ago, at a little over half the
peak of last July.

So why should anyone's food prices increase in the past 2-3 months while
people have less money than before?

I have greatly reduced my purchases of McD's food in response to their
price increases at a time when food prices should be going down.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: How low will you go to save a buck?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2789381fe4a363c6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 6:18 pm
From: James

I'm now used to heating the house to 58F during the day and turning
the heat off at bed time. During the cold of the past month some
mornings it when lower than 50F. I might still get a huge bill
because I locked in my gas cost at the summer highs. Who knew spot
prices would be so low.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 6:50 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

James wrote:
> I'm now used to heating the house to 58F during the day and turning
> the heat off at bed time. During the cold of the past month some
> mornings it when lower than 50F. I might still get a huge bill
> because I locked in my gas cost at the summer highs. Who knew spot
> prices would be so low.

I set the stat at 70° and sometimes the temp drops to 67° on cold
days. That's it for me. I spend enough time out in the cold weather.
When I come inside, I expect to be comfortable and that means warm. If
I can't move to Arizona, this is the next best thing.
On the other hand, my brother doesn't use any normal heat beyond the
occasional use of an electric space heater and heat lamps so the pipes
won't freeze. Last Friday the inside temperature was 30°. I brought a
heating pad to sit on while we talked.

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TOPIC: Will garage sales sink like a lead balloon?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 6:19 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

Last week I noticed a sign in my local thrift shop saying that as of
2/10/09 they would no longer sell any product of any kind that is
designed for use by a child under 12 years of age. The lead ruling
makes resellers liable for any lead contamination over 600 ppm. The
testing to certify products makes it impossible for resellers to
justify. The fine for violation can be $100,000 per violation.
So many garage sales are built around children's toys and clothes.
These are the traffic builders garage sellers depend upon. I believe
the law is an over reaction. From a buyer's standpoint, I'm not
worried about the potential of lead on a button or in the paint on a
toy. Do you think garage sales will be reduced greatly in number or
enhanced with more adult type products because of the lead ruling?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 6:46 pm
From: Dave Garland

albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:
> Do you think garage sales will be reduced greatly in number or
> enhanced with more adult type products because of the lead ruling?

I think garage sales will ignore the lead ruling. If anything, the
fact that thrift shops are not avenues to dispose of those items may
mean that even more of them will be sold at garage sales.

And I doubt that there's an enforcement agency anywhere that wants to
stick its head into that nest of bees that would be roused by
attempting to enforce it against garage sales.

Dave

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 6:58 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

Dave Garland wrote:
> albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:
> > Do you think garage sales will be reduced greatly in number or
> > enhanced with more adult type products because of the lead ruling?
>
> I think garage sales will ignore the lead ruling. If anything, the
> fact that thrift shops are not avenues to dispose of those items may
> mean that even more of them will be sold at garage sales.
>
> And I doubt that there's an enforcement agency anywhere that wants to
> stick its head into that nest of bees that would be roused by
> attempting to enforce it against garage sales.
>
> Dave
That makes sense if people think about it. The buyer won't have the
money to test for lead either. Buyers at garage sales don't remember
where they purchased everything anyway. On the other hand, thrift
shops may have a bit deeper pockets and there are those who look for
somebody to sue, except I don't know that any of the fine goes to the
buyer. They would probably have to bring a civil suit. I hope it works
out that garage sales are bigger then ever due to the economy because
I really count on them. I start making a list about this time of year.

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