Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 22 new messages in 12 topics

Saturday, October 17, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 22 new messages in 12 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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TOPIC: There is no "right" to health care
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e14cb160c2e4a0dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 4:24 pm
From: Wilson Woods

Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> On Oct 16, 1:31 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The results are the same if he is in a penthouse suite at
>>> Cedar Sinae or if he is in a hut with a witchdoctor swinging a
>>> deadcat.
>> False.
>>
>>> Take out the profit motive and science can better determine
>>> the best course of treatment for each person.
>> False.
>
> So you have no arguement?

Yes, I have an argument.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 6:49 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

Yet you feel the other way with research and Global Warming as you have
government pay for huge amounts of "research" that is supposed to be
independent...

Typical garbage.

If the government has the money for treatment, who's interest will the
doctors be serving..... Of course it will be the Governments interest.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 8:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> On Oct 16, 1:31 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The results are the same if he is in a penthouse suite at
>>> Cedar Sinae or if he is in a hut with a witchdoctor swinging a
>>> deadcat.
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> Take out the profit motive and science can better determine
>>> the best course of treatment for each person.
>>
>> False.
>
> So you have no arguement? Just call people fat, stupid, fuckwit,
> wrong and false. You have no expertise. You have no facts.

You have no facts whatever yourself, just that bare faced lie
that no medical treatment makes any difference what so ever
to the amount of time before you die with pancreatic cancer.

> AND you have no arguement, just misdirected anger.

Corse you dont have that problem yourself, eh ?

> G'day sir, I said g'day.

Dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 9:26 pm
From: JohnDoe@BadISP.org

Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:50:26 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>
>> Michael Coburn, a looter, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:47:51 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Coburn, a looter, wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:57:04 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Coburn, a looter, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:23 -0700, Coffee's For Closers wrote:
>>>>>>>

>But that was not at issue and was not the question. You were asked to
>tell us how this mundane and mathematically certain task can be
>"improved" by a profit motive over the result that would be achieved in a
>totally transparent government run system. There may well be problems
>with a government run system. But that isn't the question either. There
>seems to be a religious tenet here that the possibility of profits will
>somehow improve the value to the consumer. That is true in most other
>business endeavors. But it does not appear to be true in a
>statistically certain, inelastically demanded, health insurance sector
>that has no control over the actual cost of the services. So there must
>be something I am missing here. And I am trying to get the supporters of
>this private insurance thing to tell us what it is.

I hate to sound like I'm supporting the forces of reaction here but
there is a very important function performed by the insurance
companies and that's control over the cost of services. Not only is
this achieved by denying coverage to patients but also by squeezing
the MD's and other nannies until they squeak. If you have a look at
what the insurance company pays versus what the provider bills you'll
see that the difference is enormous. I recently had a series of blood
tests: the lab billed over $1000, the insurance company paid $110.
About a 90% reduction. Same with MD's costs: my PcP charges $200 if
you walk in off the street, my insurance pays $40. Imagine what would
happen without the insurance company.

As to the denying coverage to patients, let's not be completely
gullible here. Lots of the individual items denied are simply
unnecessary procedures the benefit of which flows to the MD's and
their cronies in hospitals and other suppliers. Of course unless you
examine each case at the level of detail the insurance company does,
you're going to have a hard time justifying or disputing the denial.
Emotional hand-wringing of the type that goes on these days seems out
of place, especially when it's done by people who have no idea of the
cases involved or even if they exist. And if you want to find out the
details (i.e. provable facts) the proponents of the big bad insurance
company perspective most frequently drop back to patient privacy as
the reason they can't prove the argument. It's something like the "men
beat up their wives more after the super bowl" argument that turned
out to be pure fabrication.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 9:33 pm
From: JohnDoe@BadISP.org

Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Coffee's For Closers wrote:
>> In article <2a1575e5-c18c-434d-ab16-
>> d415f5fe9520@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>> tmclone@searchmachine.com says...
>>> On Oct 15, 12:17=A0am, Coffee's For Closers <Usenet2...@THE-DOMAIN-
>>> IN.SIG> wrote:
>>>> In article <bcedb7bc-0004-40dc-9480-
>>>> 088c38e95...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> tmcl...@searchmachine.com says...
>>>>

>As I've already elaborated, the distinction between "needs" and "wants"
>(or "*mere* wants", as the looters imply) is a false distinction with no
>operational meaning. People have wants, period: food, clothing, water,
>health care, entertainment, recreation, etc. But even if we temporarily
>accept the distinction for the sake of argument, then as you note,
>medical care is not even a pressing a "need" as food, yet the looters
>don't broadly advocate the government making "free" food available to
>people.

And to the other side of the argument: We do make "free food"
available to those who can't afford it (food stamps) and even provide
subsidies to those that provide food to all comers (free cheese & soup
kitchens). Further even if we didn't provide this free food there's no
one who needs (will not live without) food that costs more than
minimum wage. Much of health care is way beyond the resources of even
an average worker let alone a burger flipper.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 4:46 pm
From: Azz Pizz

Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6116@gmail.com> wrote in news:db4a6167-a962-4c85-98ec-
fcb3b2e78228@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

>
> I have been quit for 1 Year, 6 Months, 5 Days, 8 hours, 41 minutes and
> 43 seconds (553 days). I have saved $2,086.27 by not smoking 11,067
> cigarettes. I have saved 1 Month, 1 Week, 1 Day, 10 hours and 15
> minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 4/11/2008 7:32 AM

Great idea. Never smoked but this is a great way to encourage people to
quit.

--
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 4:48 pm
From: Azz Pizz

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:atlas-bugged-FEED80.11380816102009@aries.ka.weretis.net:

> But I don't give candy
> until I get candy.

You're better off giving kids Atlas Shrugged copies. Nah, the sheer size
would scare them off from reading.

--
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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 5:41 pm
From: The Real Bev

Azz Pizz wrote:

> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:atlas-bugged-FEED80.11380816102009@aries.ka.weretis.net:
>
>> But I don't give candy
>> until I get candy.
>
> You're better off giving kids Atlas Shrugged copies. Nah, the sheer size
> would scare them off from reading.

Maybe there's a coloring book version...

--
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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 9:02 pm
From: Balvenieman

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>but I love chocolate, especially when it's free
If you're trading, what's the "free" part?

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 11:00 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<p6GdncxXaZFXrkTXnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthl
ink.com>,
Balvenieman <balvenieman@invalid.net>
wrote:

> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >but I love chocolate, especially when it's free
> If you're trading, what's the "free" part?

I don't give out chocolate

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 11:02 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<p6GdncxXaZFXrkTXnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthl
ink.com>,
Balvenieman <balvenieman@invalid.net>
wrote:

> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >but I love chocolate, especially when it's free
> If you're trading, what's the "free" part?

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TOPIC: My nephew wrote me for the first time!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 5:26 pm
From: Marsha

Bill wrote:
> My 18 year old nephew wrote me a letter!
>
> This is the very first time he has done this. He has never before written to
> me, has never called me, nor has he ever written me a thank you note for the
> gifts I have given him at Christmas time...

It's time to stop sending him Christmas gifts, B-day gifts, etc. Bet
he'll notice. Also, what's wrong with his parents? Do they not tell
him that he needs to do this stuff, whether he wants to or not?

>
> In his "form letter", he is asking for a $500.00 donation for a sports
> program at his school!
>
> He does get right to the point about the money. Does not waste any ink by
> saying hello to me or asking how I am doing or telling me how he is doing.
>
> He will not get a cent from me!

Good for you.

>
> Maybe he will be offended and stop writing to me?
>

You can only hope.

Marsha

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 5:29 pm
From: Marsha

sr wrote:
> 14 years of giving to family and no thank yous was the trigger.
> When their great grandfather was in the dying process for 6 months, not a
> single card nor call from
> the kids, was another trigger.

What took you so long? You're an optimist, right?

Marsha

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 5:33 pm
From: Marsha

Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> « Jeem » wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. If there is no rental agreement or lease, she has no
>> obligation to allow the BF to live with her. She is doing this just of
>> her own free will. She had a romantic interest in the man and now she
>> does not. That does not obligate her to allow him to live in her home.
>> If they were renting an apartment or house and both names were on the
>> lease, that would be a different story.
>
> I know from personal experience that this is not true in California.
>
> Marsha (are you the same Marsha I know from SMT?),

Yep - Hi there, "Samantha"

you could call your
> sister's local police department and given them details and ask what her
> options are -- or have her call.

That's an option. She's supposed to see an attorney on Monday, but just
talking to the police would be less expensive. Thanks.

Marsha

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 7:36 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<d35edfda-baa9-4b20-8691-2ccf471a56b2@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Artys <lajolie@GMI.net> wrote:

> On Oct 14, 7:19 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <e1578744-fb49-48ea-a565-8ba7f881a...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Artys <lajo...@GMI.net> wrote:
> > > Hello group,
> >
> > > Can you tell me what chain stores offer free ink cartridge
> > > recycling? I just bought a new one from Office Depot, and the
> > > recycling must be mailed in by me, paying postage. I can't do much of
> > > that. I have several used ink cartridges sitting around.
> >
> > Try Staples. They will give you a store credit (I forget how much) for
> > each every printer cartridge you bring them.
>
> We don't have Staples where I live. Can you think of any others?

Not without having any clue where you live.

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