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TOPIC: Review: "How To Live Well Without Owning a Car - Save Money, Breathe
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 12:29 am
From: Les Cargill
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>
>> Kayak44 wrote:
>>> He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
>>> doesn't want to hear.
>>>
>>> I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
>>> anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
>>> just that, excuses.
>>>
>>> I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
>>> inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
>> You are cordially invited to my neck of the woods, where I would have to
>> go a few miles just to catch a bus. And the route I would have to take
>> - no thanks. I would need a concealed carry permit just to feel
>> half-way safe. He is being smug, whether you want to admit it or not.
>> Public transportation is not an option for everyone, no matter how you
>> slice it.
>
> Where you live is a lifestyle choice, no matter how you slice it.
It is generally dictated by income.
> If
> you chose to make access to transit a priority you could do it,
In New York city*, it is well known that identical quarters two
blocks closer to public transport will be higher in price. What
the automobile does is allow people to substitute for public
transport, which is expensive because it's subsidized.
So what's really required is a wee bit of economic analysis.
*example chosen for sample size.
> so
> knock off the disingenuous whining.
She really does a workman's job replying to you on this little
snip...
--
Les Cargill
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 7:07 am
From: Napoleon
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:07:25 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>My city's public transportion sucks. Why? Because we're basically a
>smaller version of Detroit. So unless you've walked a mile in my shoes,
>go suck an egg.
You don't live in Syracuse, do you? The public transportation here
sucks the big shitola. I believe they only got bus service to the
airport a few years ago. Unbelievable. America has only gone backwards
since the adoption of the "automobile" as our saviour. In the 20's
Syracuse had a network of electric trolleys that went everywhere and
were safe, silent and affordable. Syracuse also had a good train
system that actually went all the way out to resorts in the
adirondacks and Sylvan Beach on Oneida Lake (Syracuse also had coal
burning trains that ran right through downtown's streets, which wasn't
great, but it was public transportation). Then the car came and the
trolley system was trashed, the train schedules were cut back to
nothing and the dreaded buses with their shitty schedules taking
forever to get anywhere and going through the slum areas took hold.
Improvement! Thank god for the automobile! I was in Melbourne a few
weeks ago and using their trolley system, I thought "even America's
smallest cities used to have these." What a shame America has trashed
what worked in the past, and continues to work in other countries.
It's sad.
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 7:03 am
From: George
Napoleon wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:07:25 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>
>> My city's public transportion sucks. Why? Because we're basically a
>> smaller version of Detroit. So unless you've walked a mile in my shoes,
>> go suck an egg.
>
> You don't live in Syracuse, do you? The public transportation here
> sucks the big shitola. I believe they only got bus service to the
> airport a few years ago. Unbelievable. America has only gone backwards
> since the adoption of the "automobile" as our saviour. In the 20's
> Syracuse had a network of electric trolleys that went everywhere and
> were safe, silent and affordable. Syracuse also had a good train
> system that actually went all the way out to resorts in the
> adirondacks and Sylvan Beach on Oneida Lake (Syracuse also had coal
> burning trains that ran right through downtown's streets, which wasn't
> great, but it was public transportation). Then the car came and the
> trolley system was trashed, the train schedules were cut back to
> nothing and the dreaded buses with their shitty schedules taking
> forever to get anywhere and going through the slum areas took hold.
>
> Improvement! Thank god for the automobile! I was in Melbourne a few
> weeks ago and using their trolley system, I thought "even America's
> smallest cities used to have these." What a shame America has trashed
> what worked in the past, and continues to work in other countries.
> It's sad.
Very similar here in PA. I have a DVD made from a tape that was produced
from old color film that a local guy shot in the late 1940s. There
were literally electric trolleys everywhere around here plus an
electrified rapid transit interurban railway that ran 20 minute headways
24x7. If you weren't around then you would never realize the elaborate
transit infrastructure we had unless you saw a film like this.
Its very similar in Japan. You can go practically anywhere there
efficiently on rail.
My understanding is that GM and Firestone are what really helped it all
disappear in the US. They went from town to town and found the right
politicians to hand envelopes to. This would help them decide that GM
buses with Firestone tires were really the way to go.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 8:02 am
From: Scott in SoCal
Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>you are an ass.
>Look, idiot
How about you get back to me when you have a rational argument instead
of all this emotional Ad Hominem?
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 8:07 am
From: Scott in SoCal
Last time on misc.consumers, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.net>
said:
>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>>
>>> Kayak44 wrote:
>>>> He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
>>>> doesn't want to hear.
>>>>
>>>> I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
>>>> anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
>>>> just that, excuses.
>>>>
>>>> I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
>>>> inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
>>> You are cordially invited to my neck of the woods, where I would have to
>>> go a few miles just to catch a bus. And the route I would have to take
>>> - no thanks. I would need a concealed carry permit just to feel
>>> half-way safe. He is being smug, whether you want to admit it or not.
>>> Public transportation is not an option for everyone, no matter how you
>>> slice it.
>>
>> Where you live is a lifestyle choice, no matter how you slice it.
>
>It is generally dictated by income.
Even then you still have choices.
>> If
>> you chose to make access to transit a priority you could do it,
>
>In New York city*, it is well known that identical quarters two
>blocks closer to public transport will be higher in price. What
>the automobile does is allow people to substitute for public
>transport, which is expensive because it's subsidized.
Transit only *seems* more expensive because it is subsidized LESS than
automobiles are.
>So what's really required is a wee bit of economic analysis.
A true analysis is impossible until you can either remove ALL
subsidies on ALL modes of transport, or at least identify and account
for ALL of them. With the convoluted system of taxes and fund raiding
that goes on this is basically an impossible task.
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 8:25 am
From: Marsha
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>
>> you are an ass.
>> Look, idiot
>
> How about you get back to me when you have a rational argument instead
> of all this emotional Ad Hominem?
Ad Hominem must be your newest fad phrase. And you want me to stop the
emotional Ad Hominem? So far in this thread, we've heard this from you:
"Every time this subject comes up there's always some whiner who pops
up with this "I can't use public transit" BS."
"Well, Mr. Clueless Weasel,"
"Heh - you are so full of shit your eyes are brown. You couldn't have
PLONKed me because GOOGLE GROUPS DOESN'T HAVE KILLFILES, YOU LYING
SACK OF SHIT!"
Your lifestyle is not feasible for everyone, which just about everyone
else on this thread had pointed out, but we are talking to a brick wall.
I have better things to do - like laundry.
Marsha
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 9:45 am
From: "h"
"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:hchktu$urb$1@news.datemas.de...
> Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>>
>>> you are an ass. Look, idiot
>>
>> How about you get back to me when you have a rational argument instead
>> of all this emotional Ad Hominem?
>
> Ad Hominem must be your newest fad phrase. And you want me to stop the
> emotional Ad Hominem? So far in this thread, we've heard this from you:
>
> "Every time this subject comes up there's always some whiner who pops
> up with this "I can't use public transit" BS."
>
> "Well, Mr. Clueless Weasel,"
>
> "Heh - you are so full of shit your eyes are brown. You couldn't have
> PLONKed me because GOOGLE GROUPS DOESN'T HAVE KILLFILES, YOU LYING
> SACK OF SHIT!"
>
>
> Your lifestyle is not feasible for everyone, which just about everyone
> else on this thread had pointed out, but we are talking to a brick wall. I
> have better things to do - like laundry.
>
> Marsha
>
Heh. He thinks I couldn't have PLONKed him because I use GoogleGroups? Yeah,
that would be true if I didn't use AIOE to READ all newsgroups 99% of the
time. Again, Scottie has reading comprehension issues. Must be the giant
cloud of smug obscuring the screen.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 9:51 am
From: "sr"
"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9i8ne5514fck8q3qv7ate5tfd1s1gjhq3j@4ax.com...
> Last time on misc.consumers, "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> said:
>
>>> It never fails.
>>>
>>> Every time this subject comes up there's always some whiner who pops
>>> up with this "I can't use public transit" BS. It's as if you believe
>>> that you are a tree, and you are forced to grow wherever Chance has
>>> placed your seed. You live where you live because you CHOSE to live
>>> there; if properly motivated, you could just as easily CHOOSE to live
>>> someplace else.
>>
>>=True, and I'm in the progress. Believe me , I didn't stick here for my
>>health,
>>I had family obligation, that recently ,are no more. Some people are where
>>they
>>are for many reasons.
>>Are you a Preacher? Just asking
>
> Nope! Not even close.
>
>>Bet you live in some all around the year warm climate, also.
>
> I do now, but I grew up in Chicago. I actually used transit more when
> I lived there than I do now, primarily because the transit system
> there is so much better.
>
>>You are just a tad better than the rest of the herd, aren't you.
>
> Not better, just different priorities. Somehow I managed to purchase a
> house that is within walking distance of four grocery stores, a dozen
> restaurants, a medical and dental office building, dry cleaners, hair
> salons, two bus lines, and a Metrolink commuter rail station.
>
> The herd typically places things like square footage and age of the
> house at a higher priority than the things I listed. If those had been
> my priorities, I'd have bought a McMansion out in BFE and been stuck
> driving on the 91 freeway for 2 hours every day. OTOH, when gasoline
> was up over $4/gallon, not being a slave to my car came in mighty
> handy. :)
>
>> Yea, try in with snow up your backside, House is
>>for sale come see how long you last in the climate. You would be
>>graveling,
>>come Spring.
>
> I spent the first 30 years or so of my life in a cold climate, so I'd
> last a lot longer than you think.
Evidently you lived within the city, rural living is all about self
sufficiency, and it can be a killer in the winter time.
No one, any distance around. for some people. Had a neighbor die on his
doorstep during a blizzard.
I think you must be a city dweller, totally insufficient for survival. Any
you are young, makes a difference.
Glad you are enjoying your life.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 10:13 am
From: George
sr wrote:
> "Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9i8ne5514fck8q3qv7ate5tfd1s1gjhq3j@4ax.com...
>> Last time on misc.consumers, "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> said:
>>
>>>> It never fails.
>>>>
>>>> Every time this subject comes up there's always some whiner who pops
>>>> up with this "I can't use public transit" BS. It's as if you believe
>>>> that you are a tree, and you are forced to grow wherever Chance has
>>>> placed your seed. You live where you live because you CHOSE to live
>>>> there; if properly motivated, you could just as easily CHOOSE to live
>>>> someplace else.
>>> =True, and I'm in the progress. Believe me , I didn't stick here for my
>>> health,
>>> I had family obligation, that recently ,are no more. Some people are where
>>> they
>>> are for many reasons.
>>> Are you a Preacher? Just asking
>> Nope! Not even close.
>>
>>> Bet you live in some all around the year warm climate, also.
>> I do now, but I grew up in Chicago. I actually used transit more when
>> I lived there than I do now, primarily because the transit system
>> there is so much better.
>>
>>> You are just a tad better than the rest of the herd, aren't you.
>> Not better, just different priorities. Somehow I managed to purchase a
>> house that is within walking distance of four grocery stores, a dozen
>> restaurants, a medical and dental office building, dry cleaners, hair
>> salons, two bus lines, and a Metrolink commuter rail station.
>>
>> The herd typically places things like square footage and age of the
>> house at a higher priority than the things I listed. If those had been
>> my priorities, I'd have bought a McMansion out in BFE and been stuck
>> driving on the 91 freeway for 2 hours every day. OTOH, when gasoline
>> was up over $4/gallon, not being a slave to my car came in mighty
>> handy. :)
>>
>>> Yea, try in with snow up your backside, House is
>>> for sale come see how long you last in the climate. You would be
>>> graveling,
>>> come Spring.
>> I spent the first 30 years or so of my life in a cold climate, so I'd
>> last a lot longer than you think.
>
> Evidently you lived within the city, rural living is all about self
> sufficiency, and it can be a killer in the winter time.
I think that might be the old version. The usual modern drill is
deciding to leave a place with neighbors and moving into a rural area.
Then immediately deciding that everyone else should pay to have the five
mile dirt road you live on with three houses on it paved and for
everyone else to pay to have the water, sewers and cable TV/Internet
extended to your property.
> No one, any distance around. for some people. Had a neighbor die on his
> doorstep during a blizzard.
> I think you must be a city dweller, totally insufficient for survival. Any
> you are young, makes a difference.
> Glad you are enjoying your life.
>
>
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 10:49 am
From: "Rod Speed"
George wrote:
> Napoleon wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:07:25 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> My city's public transportion sucks. Why? Because we're basically
>>> a smaller version of Detroit. So unless you've walked a mile in my
>>> shoes, go suck an egg.
>>
>> You don't live in Syracuse, do you? The public transportation here
>> sucks the big shitola. I believe they only got bus service to the
>> airport a few years ago. Unbelievable. America has only gone
>> backwards since the adoption of the "automobile" as our saviour. In
>> the 20's Syracuse had a network of electric trolleys that went
>> everywhere and were safe, silent and affordable. Syracuse also had a
>> good train system that actually went all the way out to resorts in
>> the adirondacks and Sylvan Beach on Oneida Lake (Syracuse also had
>> coal burning trains that ran right through downtown's streets, which
>> wasn't great, but it was public transportation). Then the car came
>> and the trolley system was trashed, the train schedules were cut
>> back to nothing and the dreaded buses with their shitty schedules
>> taking forever to get anywhere and going through the slum areas took
>> hold. Improvement! Thank god for the automobile! I was in Melbourne a few
>> weeks ago and using their trolley system, I thought "even America's
>> smallest cities used to have these." What a shame America has trashed
>> what worked in the past, and continues to work in other countries.
>> It's sad.
>
> Very similar here in PA. I have a DVD made from a tape that was
> produced from old color film that a local guy shot in the late
> 1940s. There were literally electric trolleys everywhere around here plus an
> electrified rapid transit interurban railway that ran 20 minute
> headways 24x7. If you weren't around then you would never realize the
> elaborate transit infrastructure we had unless you saw a film like
> this.
> Its very similar in Japan. You can go practically anywhere there
> efficiently on rail.
>
> My understanding is that GM and Firestone are what really helped it
> all disappear in the US. They went from town to town and found the
> right politicians to hand envelopes to. This would help them decide
> that GM buses with Firestone tires were really the way to go.
It happened right thruout the entire first world, mostly without any bribes.
There are only a tiny handful of citys that still have them now, including in the US.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 6:55 am
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>
> Who is forced? I went for 15 years with no insurance, and didn't
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 10:47 am
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Napoleon wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:46:30 -0400, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>>> Once we're all sick of being forced to pay outrageous fees to
>>> private insurance companies, we'll wake up. Someday.
>>
>> Who is forced? I went for 15 years with no insurance, and didn't
>> need any.
>
> Um... the new bills REQUIRE you to buy private insurance.
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> You'll have to get rid of your HSA and buy insurance.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 7:43 am
From: RickMerrill
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Oct 28, 2:26 pm, RickMerrill <Rick0.merr...@gmail.lessspam.com>
> wrote:
>> Do you exhaust the clothes dryer heat back
>> into the house in the winter?
>>
>> Would you be interested in building a DIY heat exchanger?
>
> No, I prefer not to inhale the carbon monoxide that my dryer
> generates.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 8:14 am
From: frater mus
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:02:17 -0500, Les Cargill wrote:
>> She was a little strange.
> Was she bipolar?
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TOPIC: Kroger - strategy for getting marked down meat
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 8:43 am
From: "MarieD"
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> So, I was wondering if there might be any of you out there with an
> insight into when might be the best time to check for marked down meat at
> the market. Thanks!
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Marie
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 9:17 am
From: "MarieD"
<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> I'm thinking abt selling my clothes dryer and keeping
> the washer only
>
> I'm single and will be moving a lot and not sure I even
> need a dryer.
>
> Could you live without a dryer? If yes, how would YOU
> dry your clothes?
I would just hang them outside or in the house over chairs and furniture, or
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 9:44 am
From: "sr"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ks42sF39tm2uU1@mid.individual.net...
> sr wrote:
clip to save bandwidth
>> Rod Speed, isn't there any community help you could be doing?
>
> I do that virtually every day. I also fuck over fools like that as well.
>
>> Your knowledge and know how shouldn't be wasted
>
> It isnt.
>
>> Probably there is habitat for Humanity somewhere near you?
>
> Nope, nowhere near me and I'm a heathen anyway.
>
> I did in fact infect quite a few I know personally with the house building
> bug when I built my own from scratch. Some built their own from scratch
> and some just got contractors to do most of the work.
>
> One loon actually painted the outside of his concrete block house
> with a broom and a bucket of paint, quite literally. He's the one
> that damned near killed himself when he had the 'brilliant' idea
> of cleaning out the big place with all the growth cabinets in with
> a pressure hose, with the power still on the growth cabinets.
>
>> You should give out all your knowledge and know how instead of taking it
>> to the grave, just suggesting
>
> I've been doing that for more than half a century now, and
> worked for a couple of universitys at various times as well.
==Excellent:
Pressure power, I did damage to the concrete, also, pitted it.
Great for taking old paint off
I used lye to strip paint, than the power hose, worked great
-
Okay, you got me , can't trans. "of cleaning out the big place with all the
growth cabinets ?" Sounds like a
fun story just can't understand the lanuage.
I believe you must be down under? Any one living in underground houses,
"caves" that you know?
I was very interested in underground living to same fuel expense, Got the
books, never any follow through, now
too old, too broken. I'll have to do that on my return, once again, with a
healthy body.
I thought the next place I work on, I'm having concrete floors with a drain.
I'll use the pressure hose
to wash everything down into the drain and grey water, out to the gardens.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 10:02 am
From: « Jeem »
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:30:15 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
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>
>And thanks for asking.
>
>Marsha
Not a problem. I wish you both the best.
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