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TOPIC: There is no "right" to health care
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 10:12 am
From: Wilson Woods
Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:28:07 -0700, tmclone wrote:
>
>> On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:44 -0700, tmclone wrote:
>>>> What a moron. I'm a female homeowner in my 50s and I own my own
>>>> business. I'm a self-employed, life-long democrat. I have lots of
>>>> assests, but I still can't afford health insurance. It's more than my
>>>> mortgage payment with a deductible I could never meet. You lose.
>>> https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/individual-health-insurance
>>>
>>> Says it will cost you $106 per month. So unless you don't have a
>>> mortgage you are jerking us around. As to "meeting" your deductible,
>>> that is irrelevant. Insurance is to protect assets. In that view the
>>> poor don't actually need insurance because they get care in the
>>> emergency rooms and they have no assets.
>>>
>>> http://www.ehealthlink.com/Washington/IndivRates.asp
>>>
>>> In Washington state if you are uninsurable it will cost you $400 a
>>> month and again you would need to have a very small mortgage indeed.
>>>
>>>
>> The cheapest insurance I can find (NY) is $500 a month. I bought my
>> house in 1985, and yes, that's more than my mortgage payment. A LOT more
>> than my mortgage payment. If NY wasn't such a nanny state requiring all
>> insurance to be "full-boat" HMO-style, I could just buy catastrophic
>> coverage for things like a heart attack or cancer. I couldn't care less
>> about "well-care" or regular check-ups because I don't do that stuff. I
>> didn't waste my time on that even when I did have insurance 10 years
>> ago. I don't believe in seeing a doctor unless something is actually
>> wrong, like a broken bone, uncontrolled bleeding, etc. Of course, YMMV
>> if you don't have good genes. In my family, on both sides, we die in our
>> beds in our late early 90s. One great-grandfather died of lung cancer in
>> his 50s, but he smoked, so that doesn't count.
>
> As far as I can determine you are selling a load of horse crap. I simply
> do not believe any personal claims. If you want to cite some reputable
> rate tables or such then do so. Your health insurance in the State of
> Massachusetts, which is another "socialized" insurance state,
> would be $288 a month. I live in Washington state.
I guess I won't be taking that six-figure job at Costco, then.
> But most insurance
> information is on line in every state. Please provide a rate table for
> New York for healthy people like yourself.
You're a fucking moron in addition to be a liar. When I was
self-employed, up to 2005, I paid over $600 a month for Kaiser for my
family (wife and son). I have no doubt it's at least $150-$200 higher
today. If the poster is on an indemnity plan, $500 would be cheap.
You're a goddamned blowhard.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:17 am
From: me@privacy.net
Lisa Lisa <harryharry52@yahoo.com> wrote:
>This is what America has come to. No wonder we're no longer a model
>for the rest of the world.
yep
the rest of world laughs at us cause of old ideas
good ole boy redneck cowboy politics
its result of rightard policies
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Try to make me, fuckwit - I'll shoot you dead, and laugh about it over a
beer later. Then I'll stub a cigar butt out on your orphan child's head.-Wilson Woods
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:18 am
From: me@privacy.net
Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> You have no "right" to health care, but you do have a right to pay
>> premiums, have your claims denied, and make the CEO and shareholders
>> of Aetna very rich.
>
>That isn't what happens, looter.
yeah right cock sucker
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html
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Try to make me, fuckwit - I'll shoot you dead, and laugh about it over a
beer later. Then I'll stub a cigar butt out on your orphan child's head.-Wilson Woods
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 12:06 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:59:45 -0700, Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>me@privacy.net, a looter, wrote:
>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> He likes high premiums coupled with shitty coverage,
>>> No, that's wrong, you racist looter.
>>
>> Prove it baby killing Nazi
>
>More swearing from a lowbrow looter.
Hey! don't worry, his punctuation, or lack thereof, is the signal.
Many such folks have a heavy supraorbital ridge that is an indicator
of where they are on the spectrum of the homo-erectus scale.
DCI
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 10:15 am
From: SMS
On Oct 12, 4:27 pm, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> wrote:
> In article <2457d59un5tm86fj85acgg6olbuhikm...@4ax.com>, spamfilter1
> @navasgroup.com says...
>
> > Pity you had to spoil that nice chart with your usual distorted ratings.
>
> Pity both you and Steven have to act like shills. Half of the posts in
> the Verizon newsgroup consist of you two arguing with each other.
I have had Navas kill-filed for a couple of years now. Arguing with
him is pointless. I don't know where you got the idea that I am
arguing with him. Yes, I've occasionally followed up on the posts of
all the others that argue with him, but that's the extent of it.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 3:05 pm
From: John Navas
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:27:25 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote in <MPG.253d5b33d95baae79897a3@news.justthe.net>:
>In article <2457d59un5tm86fj85acgg6olbuhikmbl5@4ax.com>, spamfilter1
>@navasgroup.com says...
>
>> Pity you had to spoil that nice chart with your usual distorted ratings.
>
>Pity both you and Steven have to act like shills. Half of the posts in
>the Verizon newsgroup consist of you two arguing with each other.
But you're OK with all the iPhone shilling, product and/or service
bashing, libels, ad hominems, and other off-topic noise? ;)
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
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TOPIC: Opposition to Obama's destruction of the health care sector is not
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 10:40 am
From: Michael Coburn
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:03:19 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who say
> it's about race know they've lost the debate.
However, this total lying pig shit from the rightarded is exemplified by
everything "Wilson Woods" presents. The racism of the rightarded is
revealed in every way in most of what they say. And the rightarded are
proud of it and wear it as a badge of honor.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:27 am
From: me@privacy.net
freeisbest <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote:
>hose
>who have seen a relative die early because s/he can't "afford" medical
>care - those people aren't falling for BigMed's b.s. any more.
agree
I know a lot of people who are denied coverage cause of
some stupid pre-existing condition such as gerd
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Try to make me, fuckwit - I'll shoot you dead, and laugh about it over a
beer later. Then I'll stub a cigar butt out on your orphan child's head.-Wilson Woods
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 12:00 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:25:56 -0700, Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Robert of St Louis wrote:
>> Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"
>
>End Medicare.
Whoa, Big Guy, cleaning up Medicare may be in the cards first.
DCI
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 12:09 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty
never@millions.com wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:25:56 -0700, Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Robert of St Louis wrote:
>>> Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"
>> End Medicare.
>
> Whoa, Big Guy, cleaning up Medicare may be in the cards first.
>
> DCI
In all it's years when has MEDICARE been cost efficient and not over
budget with unfunded mandates?
It needs to be looked at as being grandfathered out of existence.
People need something that will be there and NOT bankrupt in 5 years.
Obama will cut 500billion from Medicare if you believe his lies. That
will gut it or Bankrupt the economy by not cutting it, so either way you
will lose your Quality of care soon.
--
*BE VERY CONCERNED*
Liberal *Nirvana* isn't here yet... but I can hear you lefties "humming"
Koom-Bay-Ya.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 1:17 pm
From: SgtMinor
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> never@millions.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:25:56 -0700, Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert of St Louis wrote:
>>>> Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"
>>> End Medicare.
>> Whoa, Big Guy, cleaning up Medicare may be in the cards first.
>>
>> DCI
>
>
> In all it's years when has MEDICARE been cost efficient and not over
> budget with unfunded mandates?
>
>
> It needs to be looked at as being grandfathered out of existence.
>
> People need something that will be there and NOT bankrupt in 5 years.
>
> Obama will cut 500billion from Medicare if you believe his lies. That
> will gut it or Bankrupt the economy by not cutting it, so either way you
> will lose your Quality of care soon.
>
"Obama will cut 500billion from Medicare..." Do you have a cite for this?
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TOPIC: Illegal Immigration: A Culture of Corruption
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 10:42 am
From: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
martin <martin.secrest220@gmail.com> wrote in news:901cbbfa-3c82-446a-
9236-8d6f8078334b@11g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 12, 8:19 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Illegal Immigration: A Culture of Corruption
>> By Ronald W. Mortensen, October 12, 2009
>>
>> At a time when 83% of Americans view government corruption as a very
>> important problem, isn't it time that we stop fostering a culture of
>> corruption by failing to control illegal immigration?
>>
>> Most illegal aliens come from countries where corruption is rampant.
>> In 2008, the average corruption score of the ten countries with the
>> largest number of their citizens residing illegally in the United
>> States was 3.43 out of a possible ten signifying a serious to rampant
>> level of corruption.
>>
>> Corruption is involved in virtually everything illegal aliens do. They
>> either sneak into the United States or lie to consular and immigration
>> officials in order to obtain visas and legal entry. Once in the United
>> States, they quickly commit felonies when they obtain and use
>> fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and steal the
>> identities of millions of American men, women and children in order to
>> get jobs.
>>
>> Illegal aliens have an exceptionally high incidence of drunk driving
>> infractions. They drive without licenses and without auto insurance.
>> Their advocates try to blackmail public officials into giving them
>> driver's licenses by essentially telling them that "If you don't give
>> us licenses, we will drive anyway and we won't buy auto insurance. We
>> will have auto accidents and we will flee the scene. We may even kill
>> you. So you had better give us what we want or else."
>>
>> Apologists for illegal aliens reveal just how corrupting the system is
>> when they cave in to this blackmail and blame American citizens for
>> illegal alien crimes. Commenting on a proposal to repeal Utah's
>> Driving Privilege Card for illegal aliens, a former Utah state
>> legislator said "So if we repeal them [the Driving Privilege Cards]
>> what we're going to do is we're going to make all these people drive
>> illegally. They're not going to have insurance, so therefore when they
>> hit somebody on the road they're just going to take off and run."
>>
>> This corruption extends to law enforcement agencies that ignore the
>> legal status of individuals as well as many serious crimes committed
>> by illegal aliens in order to maintain good relations with the illegal
>> immigrant community. Rather than upholding the law and prosecuting and
>> deporting drunk drivers, identity thieves, tax cheats, and a myriad of
>> other illegal alien criminals, law enforcement officials ignore legal
>> status and give illegal aliens a pass on many crimes in order to gain
>> their trust.
>>
>> In Utah, at an immigration rally, the state's Attorney General went so
>> far as to publicly tell the illegal aliens present, 75% of whom were
>> likely using false Social Security numbers along with identities
>> belonging to tens of thousands of Utah children, that he would not
>> arrest them.
>>
>> Sanctuary cities offer protection to illegal aliens who are committing
>> serious felonies including drug and human trafficking, identity theft
>> and gang related violent crime. Universities allow illegal aliens to
>> benefit from in-state tuition in spite of the fact that many of these
>> students are committing serious felonies in order to get jobs to pay
>> for their tuition.
>>
>> Religious leaders actively court illegal aliens. They tell them in
>> effect, "Join with us and go forth and continue to commit document
>> fraud, perjury on I-9 forms, and identity theft in order to get jobs.
>> Drive without licenses and insurance. Corrupt other people's medical
>> records with life threatening consequences. Lie and cheat every day as
>> you go about your lives in the United States."
>>
>> These spiritual leaders put the interests of illegal aliens ahead of
>> the rule of law and the American men, women, and innocent children who
>> are the victims of their crimes. This is not only corrupt; it is cruel
>> to both the illegal aliens who learn that crime is acceptable in the
>> eyes of the church and to American citizens who are the victims of
>> their crimes.
>>
>> The corruption extends to the Social Security Administration and
>> Internal Revenue Service. Both of these governmental entities place
>> the collection of taxes ahead of protecting American citizens from
>> illegal alien driven identity theft and document fraud even though
>> they know this is occurring. As a former director of the IRS said: "We
>> want your money whether you are here legally or not and whether you
>> earned it legally or not."
>>
>> This is just the tip of the iceberg. The corruption extends to banks
>> that cater to illegal aliens in order to enhance their bottom lines.
>> It extends to chambers of commerce and to the world's largest
>> professional human resource association as they actively work to
>> prevent the federal and state governments from requiring employers to
>> use E-Verify that would protect millions of American children from
>> illegal alien driven identity theft. It extends to the corrupt
>> landscape contractor, to the family that hires an illegal housekeeper
>> and even to those of us who do business with companies that refuse to
>> use E-Verify.
>>
>> There are many things that we must do if we are to effectively address
>> corruption in America. A good starting point would be to end the
>> culture of corruption that surrounds illegal immigration by enforcing
>> our borders, requiring all employers to use E-Verify, aggressively
>> prosecuting all illegal alien driven document fraud and identity
>> theft, and by refusing to succumb to blackmail by illegal aliens
>
> Picture members of Congress slithering from desk to desk trying to
> fiqure a way to give the illegal alien lobby everything it wants
> without
> offending too many systems. And they arrest ladies for hustling on
> street corners!!!!
>
> tt
>
Yup - all our congressgangsters are taking in millions of $ a year in
bribes to let the illegals enter and run wild. And american citizens are
victimized. It's pure treason on congrss' part but nothing will ever be
done about it.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:28 am
From: Demon Buddha
Demon Buddha wrote:
> martin wrote:
>
>>> Illegal aliens have an exceptionally high incidence of drunk driving
>>> infractions.
>
> Boy, you said it. I was in traffic court one evening about 10 years
> ago - Mr "Hernandez" (Mexican) came before judge. "Mr. Hernandez, this
> is the TWENTY THIRD time you have come before me in the last twenty four
> months for DUI. What are we going to *do* with you?" Mr. Hernandez"
> paid the $300 fine and walked away... again. In NJ, it is supposed to
> be a $3000 fine on first offense with up to, IIRC, 6 months in jail.
> Twenty three arrests for DUI? Why didn't they kick his manky ass back
> to Tijuana where he belonged? Any American, especially a white male,
> would have been doing hard time by they third infraction. One can only
> wonder what is really going on here.
Oops... got that count wrong... it was 13 times in 24 months.
Apologies.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:41 am
From: never@millions.com
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:56:27 -0400, Demon Buddha <Nobody@no.where>
wrote:
>martin wrote:
>
>>> Illegal aliens have an exceptionally high incidence of drunk driving
>>> infractions.
>
> Boy, you said it. I was in traffic court one evening about 10 years
>ago - Mr "Hernandez" (Mexican) came before judge. "Mr. Hernandez, this
>is the TWENTY THIRD time you have come before me in the last twenty four
>months for DUI. What are we going to *do* with you?" Mr. Hernandez"
>paid the $300 fine and walked away... again. In NJ, it is supposed to
>be a $3000 fine on first offense with up to, IIRC, 6 months in jail.
>Twenty three arrests for DUI? Why didn't they kick his manky ass back
>to Tijuana where he belonged? Any American, especially a white male,
>would have been doing hard time by they third infraction. One can only
>wonder what is really going on here.
"One can only wonder what really is going on here." Gross
multi-layered stupidity in a broken system.
DCI
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 2:53 pm
From: Demon Buddha
never@millions.com wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:56:27 -0400, Demon Buddha <Nobody@no.where>
> wrote:
>
>> martin wrote:
>>
>>>> Illegal aliens have an exceptionally high incidence of drunk driving
>>>> infractions.
>> Boy, you said it. I was in traffic court one evening about 10 years
>> ago - Mr "Hernandez" (Mexican) came before judge. "Mr. Hernandez, this
>> is the TWENTY THIRD time you have come before me in the last twenty four
>> months for DUI. What are we going to *do* with you?" Mr. Hernandez"
>> paid the $300 fine and walked away... again. In NJ, it is supposed to
>> be a $3000 fine on first offense with up to, IIRC, 6 months in jail.
>> Twenty three arrests for DUI? Why didn't they kick his manky ass back
>> to Tijuana where he belonged? Any American, especially a white male,
>> would have been doing hard time by they third infraction. One can only
>> wonder what is really going on here.
>
> "One can only wonder what really is going on here." Gross
> multi-layered stupidity in a broken system.
No, something much deeper I suspect. First of all, Evan Broadbelt, the
judge at the time, was running a money mill in Freehold Boro. That
night he must have taken in close to $100K. He finally got popped and
sent to prison for it. But I have noticed this in AZ and WA as well.
The only time it changed was when some stupid MX gang banger decided to
off a Mesa cop as his initiation, thinking it would make him big man for
having such balls. Mesa PD had something of a truce with the gangs
prior to the incident. After that they went berzerk on them letting
them know that gang life would be in the toilet until homey claus was
turned over. A few weeks passed and Mr. Tough Guy's body was found by
Mesa cops in a conspicuous public place. They rubbed the idiot out and
I guess life went back to almost normal.
Anyhow, the sacred cow syndrome is something so widespread that I
figure there must be some unadvertised legal line that municipalities
are called upon to toe. I cannot imagine why else there would be such
uniformity of position in such far flung locations.
Anybody know anything about this?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 10:51 am
From: Michael Coburn
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:44:47 -0700, mg wrote:
> On Oct 12, 10:16 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote: . . .
>> No one "needs" health care, in any absolute sense. People want health
>> care in order to affect the quantity and quality of life.
>>
>> A bogus distinction between wants and needs cannot serve as the basis
>> for taking resources from those who produce them and showering them on
>> parasites who don't produce enough value to buy their own medical care.
>
> I've never known anyone who needed health care who didn't get it if they
> tried. They might need to go the an emergency room and wait in line. Or
> they might need to apply at the appropriate government agency, like
> Medicaid, for instance, but they can get health care.
>
> So, the argument isn't about whether or not people should be denied
> health care. The argument is about who pays and how they pay and whether
> we should continue to give insurance companies an exemption from
> anti-trust laws so they can continue to charge whatever the traffic will
> bear.
Thank you.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:47 am
From: The Real Bev
Bill wrote:
> "The Real Bev" wrote in message
>> This was a good group. Looks like the recent spate of political crap has
>> even discouraged Rod from posting.
>
> It's like pornography when searching for something on the internet. Search
> for any topic and some porno site will show up in the search (They do this
> by sticking every word in the dictionary on their pages). I know where that
> stuff is if I choose to look at it, but when I'm searching for car repair,
> home repair, whatever, I would like to find those topics.
>
> Same with politics. I know where the political groups are if I choose to
> read that. I don't post frugal topics in the political groups.
>
> Ignore them and they will go away. Also you can respond and delete the
> misc.consumers.frugal-living cross post (leave the others). That will help
> to get them to go away.
Sorry, this seems unlikely. It requires a decision on the part of rabid loons
to do the right thing, which just doesn't happen.
I've tried removing mcfl from the list and setting the follow-up to one of the
political groups, but that doesn't seem to work. Perhaps if we keep doing that
while offering opinions so annoying that they will all respond will help, but I
doubt it.
--
Cheers, Bev
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 11:59 am
From: The Real Bev
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:26:57 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101+et@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>This was a good group. Looks like the recent spate of political crap has even
>>discouraged Rod from posting.
>>
>>It's a fucking shame that people are as stupid as they are.
>
> There is not a smidgen of doubt in my mind that when that famous
> internet search engine bought out deja, there was every intention of
> killing usenet.
OTOH, I think just letting deja die, which is what was happening, would have
accomplished that more quickly. I think the people at google at that time
LIKED usenet and regarded it as valuable. At least I'd LIKE to think that.
> There is no profit to be made with it, there is
> little control, and as far as providers, the RIAA and music industry,
> the government, and so on, it is something that all of them wish would
> just go away.
It costs the ISPs money for a decreasing number of users, so add them to the
list. I complained to Charter about their lousy usenet service and there
wasn't a single helpdroid (even the ones without Indian accents) who knew what
usenet is. One guy thought it was that extra-cost satellite internet service
that they didn't support. I'm surprised that nobody told me it was the evil
entity in the Terminator movies, but I only talked to a dozen people or so.
> If someone told me that Rod was getting a supplemental check for
> services rendered, it wouldn't surprise me. If the shoe spam was
> somehow sanctioned, it wouldn't surprise me.
I haven't been getting a lot of that since I switched to eternal-september. I
also added whatever filters I could (Thunderbird doesn't allow an awful lot of
filter options). I like E-T.
> If the cross-posting was
> done with malicious intent, it wouldn't surprise me. Not saying that
> any of those are absolutely happening, but I am saying that there is a
> HUGE amount of money that does not want unfettered, unmoderated, free
> speech and sharing. Welcome to the 21st century. Sig Heil and
> newspeak!
Those who don't know about memory holes should learn.
--
Cheers, Bev
=================================================
It's not the speed that kills, it's the stopping.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 3:12 pm
From: "holarchy"
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> There is not a smidgen of doubt in my mind that when that famous internet
> search engine bought out deja, there was every intention of killing usenet.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
have always been completely off with the fucking fairies.
> There is no profit to be made with it, there is little control, and
> as far as providers, the RIAA and music industry, the government,
> and so on, it is something that all of them wish would just go away.
How odd that they actually allow posting to usenet.
> If someone told me that Rod was getting a supplemental check for
> services rendered, it wouldn't surprise me. If the shoe spam was
> somehow sanctioned, it wouldn't surprise me. If the cross-posting was
> done with malicious intent, it wouldn't surprise me. Not saying that
> any of those are absolutely happening, but I am saying that there is a
> HUGE amount of money that does not want unfettered, unmoderated, free
> speech and sharing. Welcome to the 21st century. Sig Heil and newspeak!
How odd that they actually allow posting to usenet.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 3:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev wrote
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+et@gmail.com> wrote
>>> This was a good group. Looks like the recent spate of political crap has even discouraged Rod from posting.
>>> It's a fucking shame that people are as stupid as they are.
>> There is not a smidgen of doubt in my mind that when that famous
>> internet search engine bought out deja, there was every intention of
>> killing usenet.
No wonder its completely unemployable.
> OTOH, I think just letting deja die, which is what was happening,
> would have accomplished that more quickly. I think the people at
> google at that time LIKED usenet and regarded it as valuable. At
> least I'd LIKE to think that.
Corse they did. Thats why they allowed posting to usenet.
And while that is a problem spam wise, its also where
the absolute vast bulk of the new posters have come from.
>> There is no profit to be made with it, there is little control, and as far as providers, the RIAA and music industry,
>> the government, and so on, it is something that all of them wish would just go away.
> It costs the ISPs money for a decreasing number of users, so add them to the list. I complained to Charter about
> their lousy usenet
> service and there wasn't a single helpdroid (even the ones without
> Indian accents) who knew what usenet is. One guy thought it was that extra-cost satellite internet service that they
> didn't support. I'm surprised that nobody told me it was the evil entity in the
> Terminator movies, but I only talked to a dozen people or so.
>> If someone told me that Rod was getting a supplemental check for services rendered, it wouldn't surprise me. If the
>> shoe spam was somehow sanctioned, it wouldn't surprise me.
> I haven't been getting a lot of that since I switched to
> eternal-september. I also added whatever filters I could
> (Thunderbird doesn't allow an awful lot of filter options). I like E-T.
>> If the cross-posting was
>> done with malicious intent, it wouldn't surprise me. Not saying that
>> any of those are absolutely happening, but I am saying that there is
>> a HUGE amount of money that does not want unfettered, unmoderated,
>> free speech and sharing. Welcome to the 21st century. Sig Heil and
>> newspeak!
> Those who don't know about memory holes should learn.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 1:18 pm
From: Dennis Ferguson
On 2009-10-13, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> George wrote:
>> That wouldn't be the case within say 200 miles of me. Also Sprint is
>> stuck on 1,900 MHz which has less building penetration and range. I am
>> sure you can produce a cite from the "Navas Group" which will claim that
>> well known phenomena isn't true.
>
> LOL, actually he's claimed that the "phenomena" isn't true many times in
> the past, with no cite at all, not even citing himself as he likes to do.
>
> However since in the past week AT&T themselves have stated that 850MHz
> has better in-building coverage and range, I don't think he'll be
> issuing this claim again.
In fact most propagation models don't think indoor propagation is
affected much by frequency, at least the frequencies mobiles use.
Older research found higher frequencies penetrate a little better,
newer measurements usually find lower is a little better (here's a
recent one google found:
http://www.co.it.pt/conftele2007/assets/papers/antennas/paper_16.pdf
), but the difference is usually small. COST231's model for office
propagation at mobile frequencies assumes frequency doesn't matter,
see the bottom of this page:
http://www.wirelesscommunication.nl/reference/chaptr03/indoor.htm
The real issue isn't how much the building knocks down the signal
at different frequencies, that doesn't change much. Instead the
issue is how much signal you have outside the building before
the building penetration knocks it down and here the lower
frequencies have a distinct advantage, the same as with outdoor
coverage.
850 MHz does provide better coverage, but less capacity per unit
area of coverage. More cell towers would provide both better coverage
(indoors and out) and greater capacity. I wonder which AT&T would
prefer?
Dennis Ferguson
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 1:35 pm
From: SMS
Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> In fact most propagation models don't think indoor propagation is
> affected much by frequency, at least the frequencies mobiles use.
Pretty sure that AT&T (and the other carriers) are looking at it from
the more practical aspect of having a stronger signal just outside the
building with the lower frequency. True, if you construct two cells
right outside a building then it won't much matter whether it's 800 or
1900 MHz. If the two cells are a few miles away then it matters a lot.
I wish the EPA Ikea would put in some pico cells in their building.
There are towers for all the major carriers within 1/4 mile of the store
so clearly it's not a lack of coverage issue, it's something about the
building's construction.
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