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TOPIC: "Promote the general welfare of the United States" - doesn't mean what
leftists think
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3f1993b181e2faf4?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:16 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 8, 1:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>
> wilson woods strikes again:) a country is only as healthy as its
> citizens.
The clause in Article I does not mean to promote any person's individual
welfare. It means to promote the welfare of the nation as a political
entity. That's what it means.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:19 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2:30 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> dog.com> wrote:
>> K wrote:
>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>> You mix up the Preamble that says Promote and article 1 section 8 that
>> says provide..... for the welfare of the United states.
>>
>> The Preamble says "promote" So that kills the idea that it authorizes
>> government to "give" things to the people.
>>
>
>
> here is the real truth,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>
> The Preamble to the United States Constitution is
An introductory statement of purpose with no force of law.
>> Yes article 1 section 8 says Provide, but no it doesn't say provide to
>> the people. It is specific in saying the Congress is to "PROVIDE" for
>> the Federal Government.
>>
>
>
> no,
Yes.
> the united states is a collective of citizens
No.
>> People have distorted these parts of the constitution to create an
>> imaginary clause of welfare for the people.
>>
>
> unless of course
No "unless". He is correct: the welfare clauses in the preamble and
Article I are not about the welfare of people as individual citizens;
they are about the welfare of the nation as a political entity.
>> Now tell us what United States means...... It means the United States
>> Government also known today as the federal government as oppose to State
>> Government or "the people" of Nation.
>
> we the people.
No. "The United States" in the Constitution means *either* the federal
government, *or* the nation as a political entity. It does not mean the
people.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:20 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 8, 3:03 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>
>>> K wrote:
>>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>>> You mix up the Preamble that says Promote and article 1 section 8 that
>>> says provide..... for the welfare of the United states.
>>> The Preamble says "promote" So that kills the idea that it authorizes
>>> government to "give" things to the people.
>>> Yes article 1 section 8 says Provide, but no it doesn't say provide to
>>> the people. It is specific in saying the Congress is to "PROVIDE" for
>>> the Federal Government.
>> When the words "United States" appear in the Constitution, it means
>> *either* (narrowly) the federal government, or (broadly) the nation as a
>> *political* entity. It most assuredly does *NOT* mean the people.
>>
>
>
> "We the People of the United States"
Yes?
>> "If you torture the [Constitution] long enough, it will confess" --
>> paraphrasing Ronald Coase. Leftists attempt to torture the Constitution
>> until it hollers the meaning the leftists want.
>>
>
> if you are a lying fascist,
There you go, swearing again. That's all "fascist" is - a swearword.
It is empty of meaning.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:22 pm
From: K
hal wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:30:56 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>> K wrote:
>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>> You mix up the Preamble that says Promote and article 1 section 8 that
>> says provide..... for the welfare of the United states.
>>
>> The Preamble says "promote" So that kills the idea that it authorizes
>> government to "give" things to the people.
>>
>> Yes article 1 section 8 says Provide, but no it doesn't say provide to
>> the people. It is specific in saying the Congress is to "PROVIDE" for
>> the Federal Government.
>>
>>
>> People have distorted these parts of the constitution to create an
>> imaginary clause of welfare for the people.
>
> Welfare for The People
...does not appear in the Constitution. Sorry.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:27 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Gogarty wrote:
> In article <4ACE3DF0.8040308@Talk-n-dog.com>,
> Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com says...
>> K wrote:
>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>> You mix up the Preamble that says Promote and article 1 section 8 that
>> says provide..... for the welfare of the United states.
>>
>> The Preamble says "promote" So that kills the idea that it authorizes
>> government to "give" things to the people.
>>
>> Yes article 1 section 8 says Provide, but no it doesn't say provide to
>> the people. It is specific in saying the Congress is to "PROVIDE" for
>> the Federal Government.
>>
>>
>> People have distorted these parts of the constitution to create an
>> imaginary clause of welfare for the people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at amendment 10
>>
>>
>> Amendment X
>>
>> The *powers not delegated to the United States* by the Constitution, nor
>> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
>> or to the people.
>>
>>
>> Now tell us what United States means...... It means the United States
>> Government also known today as the federal government as oppose to State
>> Government or "the people" of Nation.
>>
>>
> Just curious but would you like to sketch out what sort of country you would
> be happy in?
Happy to oblige...
One in which individual citizens are responsible for their own welfare,
and are free to contract with others, without interference of third parties.
* no one owes you anything except to leave you alone
* you owe no one anything except to leave him alone
* no one may interfere in contracts you voluntarily enter
* you keep what you earn
* amendments 1-9 of the Bill of Rights apply
That's all it takes.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:33 pm
From: K
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> On Oct 8, 3:16 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>>> Well, no shit.
>> Then, we are agreed: "promote the general welfare of the United States"
>> does not imply either a power or a duty to provide health care. Thanks.
>
> No.
Yes, we're agreed: no use of the word "welfare" in the Constitution
creates or implies either a power or a duty of the federal government to
provide health care. That's simply not what the use of the word
"welfare" anywhere in the Constitution means.
Thanks.
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TOPIC: cheap text printer
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:20 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <ham1d8$ab8$1@news.albasani.net>, jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>
wrote:
> Girlfriend is in need of a cheap printer for archiving office
> documents. Won't need to worry about color quality. Won't need high
> volume or speed. Availability and cost of black cartridges is an issue.
> So is the cost of the printer and to some extent the size. The old
> printer is getting retired because the ink is too hard to find.
>
> Whose got a recommendation? There's a slew of brands out there. I've
> been disappointed in Lexmark and pleased with HP (D7160) myself, but
> everyone makes lemons.
Why print documents to archive them? Convert them to PDF and then burn
to CD or DVD.
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