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TOPIC: I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with
it
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 7:21 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"TheTibetanMonkey" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2e77d2db-f485-453a-98e7-95b73d7b44ce@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 7:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "jeff" <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hkl1la$883$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> >> You have got everything backwards. It is Obama who will be tired for
> >> treason. After all, he is destroying America as we have known it for
> >> several hundred years.
>
> > Er, did you miss that the financial system was in collapse?
>
> Something that everyone in the country contributed to, most especially the
> liberal Dems in Congress.
>
> > Did you miss that this is widely referred to as the worst recession
> > since
> > the Great Depression?
>
> > Did you miss that growth has returned and the unemployment rate (which
> > you seem to like) is heading down.
>
> > Did you miss that the Deficit nearly tripled under Bush?
>
> > Bush was twiddling his thumbs when all this was going down. Did you not
> > notice how much of the initial reaction was waste?
>
> The liberal Dems are making everything a thousand times worse. Just keep
> your eye on the debt.
>>>> Some people here love to kiss the Republican ass, but I don't want to
say who they are.
90% of all cycling newsgroups posters are liberal. We conservatives are few
and far between.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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TOPIC: solar water heating
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 7:39 pm
From: "Bob F"
Vic Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:36:31 -0500, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone out there successfully set up a solar water heater? I'm
>> in a situation where I have an electric water heater being delivered
>> next week. I'm thinking about putting in some sort of solar water
>> heater down the road, to help with heating the water, and was
>> wondering - is there anything I should do NOW to make adding
>> something like that easier down the road?
>
> No. Anything you do now that costs you an extra cent will waste that
> cent if you don't put in the solar.
> Might even cost you more if you let that "preparation" guide you away
> from a solar heater system that is more appropriate, but doesn't fit
> your "preparation."
> They are basically 2 separate issues until you combine them.
> And when/if you do, any changes from what can be prepared for now will
> be minor.
> More likely, your "preparation" won't fit, and have to be removed.
> Don't waste your time/money if you don't have the solar system ready.
> The one thing you might do is hold onto your old tank if it's not
> leaking and is well-insulated. A holding tank is a component of most
> solar heating systems. That won't cost anything except storage space.
> BTW, solar water heating isn't frugal in most areas.
> Hard to get your money back
It's way better than solar power.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 7:42 pm
From: "Bob F"
Ohioguy wrote:
> Has anyone out there successfully set up a solar water heater? I'm
> in a situation where I have an electric water heater being delivered
> next week. I'm thinking about putting in some sort of solar water
> heater down the road, to help with heating the water, and was
> wondering - is there anything I should do NOW to make adding
> something like that easier down the road?
One of the simplest additions
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=batch+solar+water+preheater&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 10:27 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:42:19 -0800, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Ohioguy wrote:
>> Has anyone out there successfully set up a solar water heater? I'm
>> in a situation where I have an electric water heater being delivered
>> next week. I'm thinking about putting in some sort of solar water
>> heater down the road, to help with heating the water, and was
>> wondering - is there anything I should do NOW to make adding
>> something like that easier down the road?
>
>One of the simplest additions
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=batch+solar+water+preheater&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
>
I like the simple stuff. My old house in Chicago had a what you could
call a "leveling" or "moderating" or "economizer" tank.
Pick your term. Basically an uninsulated tank that accepted the city
water before it was pushed into the water heater.
Chicago water is very cold, even in the summer, and this tank served
to warm it up a bit before heating. Not effective in the winter
though.
When you think about the length of sunshine in northern climes, solar
makes sense only if you can store the heated water, and that takes
some doing.
With the cold water we get up here, it can probably save some money
if the system is simple.
I got to thinking about it while gardening and seeing how the garden
hose held quite a bit of hot water after some time in the sun.
My feed from the ground puts really cold water to the hot water
heater. Only a short run of 3/4" from the ground to the tank.
An insulated "economizer" tank would make a difference.
If I did the solar here, I'd put an insulated holding tank in the
basement to prefeed the water heater. Run the cold water to the yard
to flow though some kind of ray absorbing piping laid out in the sun,
then back to the holding tank.
Piping could be some sort of black PVC, or copper loops painted black.
Don't think I'd put anything on the roof, or even use a glass
enclosure.
Up here for about 5 months of the year I'd restore the normal feed to
avoid freezing.
It would pay off, but not much. And it'd be a hassle and an eyesore
with that collection method. But it's a cheap way to go.
Have to time your heaviest hot water use to make the best of it.
--Vic
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 10:29 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:27:40 -0600, Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:42:19 -0800, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Ohioguy wrote:
>>> Has anyone out there successfully set up a solar water heater? I'm
>>> in a situation where I have an electric water heater being delivered
>>> next week. I'm thinking about putting in some sort of solar water
>>> heater down the road, to help with heating the water, and was
>>> wondering - is there anything I should do NOW to make adding
>>> something like that easier down the road?
>>
>>One of the simplest additions
>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=batch+solar+water+preheater&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
>>
>
>I like the simple stuff. My old house in Chicago had a what you could
>call a "leveling" or "moderating" or "economizer" tank.
>Pick your term. Basically an uninsulated tank that accepted the city
>water before it was pushed into the water heater.
>Chicago water is very cold, even in the summer, and this tank served
>to warm it up a bit before heating. Not effective in the winter
>though.
>When you think about the length of sunshine in northern climes, solar
>makes sense only if you can store the heated water, and that takes
>some doing.
>With the cold water we get up here, it can probably save some money
>if the system is simple.
>I got to thinking about it while gardening and seeing how the garden
>hose held quite a bit of hot water after some time in the sun.
>My feed from the ground puts really cold water to the hot water
>heater. Only a short run of 3/4" from the ground to the tank.
>An insulated "economizer" tank would make a difference.
That would be "uninsulated."
>If I did the solar here, I'd put an insulated holding tank in the
>basement to prefeed the water heater. Run the cold water to the yard
>to flow though some kind of ray absorbing piping laid out in the sun,
>then back to the holding tank.
>Piping could be some sort of black PVC, or copper loops painted black.
>Don't think I'd put anything on the roof, or even use a glass
>enclosure.
>Up here for about 5 months of the year I'd restore the normal feed to
>avoid freezing.
>It would pay off, but not much. And it'd be a hassle and an eyesore
>with that collection method. But it's a cheap way to go.
>Have to time your heaviest hot water use to make the best of it.
>
>--Vic
>
>
>
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