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TOPIC: What to do if your car accelerates uncontrollably
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:24 pm
From: VFW
In article
<4d9fab8f-b6f3-4165-bbfc-b0717ffe9757@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 8:25�am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
> > ast.net>,
> >
> > �VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >
> > > an automatic (really!)
> > > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> > > motor.
> >
> > I've always considered the key a great
> > way to shut the car down.
> >
> > And yes I know it makes the car harder
> > to steer...but not impossible.
>
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear
> will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what
> will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an
> auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even
> thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after
> shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting
> down the engine.
If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock.
--
Money; What a Concept !
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032010@news.to
> ast.net>,
> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>
>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>
>> an automatic (really!)
>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
>> motor.
>
> I've always considered the key a great
> way to shut the car down.
>
>
> And yes I know it makes the car harder
> to steer...but not impossible.
It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Zee wrote:
> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> In article
>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
>> ast.net>,
>>
>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>
>>> an automatic (really!)
>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
>>> motor.
>>
>> I've always considered the key a great
>> way to shut the car down.
>>
>> And yes I know it makes the car harder
>> to steer...but not impossible.
>
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear
> will make it stop in a dime
No it doesnt.
> and probably violently
Doesnt do that either.
> and god knows what will happen to the car while you are in it.
Main problem is that it will engage the steering lock, so you will keep going straight ahead.
That can be a problem when you want to get off the road
once its close to stopping so you dont get run up the arse.
Not clear if the engine will go flat out again if you turn the key
on once you're almost stopped to steer off the road tho.
> Whether you are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to
> Neutral first before even thinking of shutting down the engine.
No you dont.
> But in my opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake
> slowly and pull over before shutting down the engine.
Trouble is that the engine could easily get killed by gross over revving if you do it that way.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
VFW wrote:
> In article
> <4d9fab8f-b6f3-4165-bbfc-b0717ffe9757@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
>> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
>>> ast.net>,
>>>
>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>>
>>>> an automatic (really!)
>>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
>>>> motor.
>>>
>>> I've always considered the key a great
>>> way to shut the car down.
>>>
>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder
>>> to steer...but not impossible.
>>
>> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in
>> gear will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god
>> knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you
>> are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first
>> before even thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion,
>> after shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before
>> shutting down the engine.
>
> If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock.
Absolutely certainly will lock in fact.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:42 pm
From: Les Cargill
Rod Speed wrote:
> Zee wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
>> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
>>> ast.net>,
>>>
>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>>> an automatic (really!)
>>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
>>>> motor.
>>> I've always considered the key a great
>>> way to shut the car down.
>>>
>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder
>>> to steer...but not impossible.
>> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear
>> will make it stop in a dime
>
> No it doesnt.
>
>> and probably violently
>
> Doesnt do that either.
>
>> and god knows what will happen to the car while you are in it.
>
> Main problem is that it will engage the steering lock, so you will keep going straight ahead.
>
> That can be a problem when you want to get off the road
> once its close to stopping so you dont get run up the arse.
>
> Not clear if the engine will go flat out again if you turn the key
> on once you're almost stopped to steer off the road tho.
>
>> Whether you are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to
>> Neutral first before even thinking of shutting down the engine.
>
> No you dont.
>
>> But in my opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake
>> slowly and pull over before shutting down the engine.
>
> Trouble is that the engine could easily get killed by gross over revving if you do it that way.
>
>
Troll much, Rod?
If said engine is on a car that has a recall out for it,
this will not be a problem. There's a known,
acknowledged defect in the car, and you will
get a nice fresh engine for it for free, and
probably a loaner while it gets fixed.
--
Les Cargill
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 8:49 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Les Cargill wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Zee wrote
>>> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote
>>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>>>> an automatic (really!)
>>>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new motor.
>>>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down.
>>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible.
>>> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear will make it stop in a dime
>> No it doesnt.
>>> and probably violently
>> Doesnt do that either.
>>> and god knows what will happen to the car while you are in it.
>> Main problem is that it will engage the steering lock, so you will keep going straight ahead.
>> That can be a problem when you want to get off the road
>> once its close to stopping so you dont get run up the arse.
>> Not clear if the engine will go flat out again if you turn the key
>> on once you're almost stopped to steer off the road tho.
>>> Whether you are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to
>>> Neutral first before even thinking of shutting down the engine.
>> No you dont.
>>> But in my opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake
>>> slowly and pull over before shutting down the engine.
>> Trouble is that the engine could easily get killed by gross over revving if you do it that way.
> Troll much, Rod?
Like I said, you wouldnt know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.
> If said engine is on a car that has a recall out for it, this will not be a problem.
Wrong. If it just gets damaged by the over revving, and doesnt get killed,
the damage may well not show up immediately and you'd have fuck all
chance of getting a new engine if the engine dies years later.
And we arent necessarily talking about a car that has a recall out anyway.
It makes a lot more sense to talk about what works best regardless
of the detail of why the accelerator cant be released, because that
can be something as basic as the mat jamming under the bottom
of it, or just the linkage breaking etc with an older car etc.
Particularly when the alternative of just turning the ignition off and
leaving the key in the ignition so the steering lock doesnt lock the
steering makes a lot more sense than just putting the car in neutral.
> There's a known, acknowledged defect in the car, and you will get a nice fresh engine for it for free, and probably a
> loaner while it gets fixed.
Not if it doesnt die immediately you wont necessarily.
Makes a lot more sense to just turn the ignition off instead.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 8:55 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <atlas-bugged-1E4E4B.16253109032010@aries.ka.weretis.net>,
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032010@news.to
> ast.net>,
> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>
> > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >
> > an automatic (really!)
> > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> > motor.
>
> I've always considered the key a great
> way to shut the car down.
>
>
> And yes I know it makes the car harder
> to steer...but not impossible.
Won't work in many cars these days because they are keyless.
Downshifting in some cars won't work if they have a continuously
variable transmission. The Prius has both.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 11:17 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<7vobqhFogU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032010@news.to
> > ast.net>,
> > VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >>
> >> an automatic (really!)
> >> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> >> motor.
> >
> > I've always considered the key a great
> > way to shut the car down.
> >
> >
> > And yes I know it makes the car harder
> > to steer...but not impossible.
>
> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do.
Which means you set the wheel to steer
straight while on a straight bit of road
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 11:22 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<4d9fab8f-b6f3-4165-bbfc-b0717ffe9757@u1
5g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 8:25�am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
> > ast.net>,
> >
> > �VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >
> > > an automatic (really!)
> > > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> > > motor.
> >
> > I've always considered the key a great
> > way to shut the car down.
> >
> > And yes I know it makes the car harder
> > to steer...but not impossible.
>
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear
> will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what
> will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an
> auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even
> thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after
> shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting
> down the engine.
Let's see: the latest adventure has a
prius traveling at 94 mph (which may
well be a record) on a nice freeway with
lots of traffic. Choices are to continue
doing what you are doing and maybe rear
end some innocent driver, drive off into
the bushes or cause the car to suddenly
stop via shutting it off and trust your
airbag.
I'll take the airbag.
BTW, I can't see any reason why shutting
the engine off will make it stop on a
dime...lot's of energy stored in the
mass of a car going that fast, enough to
turn the engine quite a few revs.
Of course in California the standard,
and I believe it is a question on the
drivers test, is run your car up against
the guardrails
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TOPIC: Hard to be frugal with movies
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:47 pm
From: Les Cargill
Zuke wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Dan Birchall wrote:
>
>> rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com (Rod Speed) wrote:
>>> Spork wrote
>>>> Theater prices are insane.
>>> Sure, havent been in one of those for something like 35 years.
>>
>> I'm fortunate to live in a town with a "second-run" discount theater.
>> If a movie looks like it might be amusing but not necessarily worth a
>> $9 ticket, I can wait a couple months and see it for $1.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there don't seem to be as many second-run places around
>> as there once were. :(
>
> That's because the bedbugs ate them.
>
Ah! That's why all the admonitions to "don't let the bedbugs
bite" when I was a kid. If they'd only known.
--
Les Cargill
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:50 pm
From: Les Cargill
Spork wrote:
<snip>
> I would happily pay 50 - 60 dollars a month for
> a netflix on demand that has everything.
Netflix' on demand is very limited, but the high end
( 2-3 discs at once ) subscription is not that much.
And you don't have to store the discs.
--
Les Cargill
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 9:40 pm
From: Dan Birchall
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Dan Birchall wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, there don't seem to be as many second-run places around
> > as there once were. :(
>
> Must be hard to run a theater charging only $1 to see a movie.
Yeah - really, they're only making any money off the concessions, for
which they charge typical movie theater prices. :) But even if I shell
out for a giant lemonade or whatever, it's still only half the price of
a ticket to the big theater out at the mall.
--
"The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the
surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90
million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some
indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be..." - Douglas Adams
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Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 8:34 pm
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TOPIC: To visit this site earn money
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