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Friday, March 12, 2010

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TOPIC: What to do if your car accelerates uncontrollably
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 11 2010 10:42 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
attempted to bullshit and lie its way
out of its predicament and fooled
absolutely no one at all, as always.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:21 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7vu62aFgpU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

How sad for you that you haven't the
nads to admit your error, but instead
have to censor posts thinking that
somehow doesn't make you look the fool.

I've fixed the post for you old fella

In article
<7vssmoFollU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7vrhr6F84qU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> clutch down.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter
> >>>>>>>>>>>> into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new motor.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car
> >>>>>>>>>>> down.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not
> >>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do.

*** yes, you did say that

> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Which means you set the wheel to steer straight while on a
> >>>>>>>>> straight bit of road
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Pity about your car ending up stopped in the middle of that
> >>>>>>>> road.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to move off that road as is
> >>>>>>>> slowing down instead.
> >>
> >>>>>>> What causes the car to slow down and be steerable?
> >>
> >>>>>> The drag provided by the engine. Same drag you get when you take
> >>>>>> your foot off the accelerator with the car in gear with no
> >>>>>> accelerator fault, stupid.
> >>
> >>>>> Yet the problem being discussed is what to do when you can't get
> >>>>> your car to stop accelerating.
> >>
> >>>> You can if you turn the engine off.
> >>
> >>> which would cause the steering wheel to lock
> >>
> >> Not if you leave the key in the ignition and JUST turn it off,
> >> fuckwit.
> >
> > So originally, according to you, turning off the key would make
> > the car impossible to steer because of a steering lock,
>
> Never ever said that, fuckwit.

You really should get your meds
adjusted. Follow the ***'s if you can
manage that simple task

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== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:22 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7vu61rFcbU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

Pity that you still think censoring
someones reply is anything but the act
of a desperate old loser.

I've fixed the post for you old fella

In article
<7vr5rcFlihU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>>>> Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question
> >>>>> on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails
>
> >>>> More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard
> >>>> rails anyway.
>
> >>> Since you are the resident expert, prove
> >>> there aren't any. It should be easy for
> >>> you...just find a clip on youtube of any
> >>> interstate, freeway or major road in California
>
> >> Pity about other roads, fuckwit.
>
> > Pity you can't prove your point
>
> Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.

Pity you can't prove your point old fella

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:22 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7vu61gF9eU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

Pity that you think censoring a post is
anything but the admission of what a sad
old fool you are

I've fixed the post for you old fella

In article
<7vrhn5F7gsU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

Pity that you think censoring a post is
anything but the admission of what a sad
old fool you are

I've fixed the post for you

In article
<7vr5ueFlscU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > We weren't discussing other roads
>
> Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.

Easy old fella, wouldn't want to have
you spend your pension check on more
meds. What lie is that you think you see?

>
> That is precisely the roads I was commenting on, fuckwit.

You are either talking about California
roads in which case you are dead wrong
or you are talking about other roads in
which case you are terminally stupid

In your case it amounts to about the
same thing

>
> Your comprehension is that fucked ? Your problem, as always.

Maybe you should try white cotton
t-shirts

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:27 am
From: VFW

In article <7vof56Fem1U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> VFW wrote:
> > In article
> > <4d9fab8f-b6f3-4165-bbfc-b0717ffe9757@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> > Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> >> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
> >>> ast.net>,
> >>>
> >>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> >>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >>>
> >>>> an automatic (really!)
> >>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> >>>> motor.
> >>>
> >>> I've always considered the key a great
> >>> way to shut the car down.
> >>>
> >>> And yes I know it makes the car harder
> >>> to steer...but not impossible.
> >>
> >> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in
> >> gear will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god
> >> knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you
> >> are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first
> >> before even thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion,
> >> after shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before
> >> shutting down the engine.
> >
> > If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock.
>
> Absolutely certainly will lock in fact.

I found there is a point in the key's travel, that turns the engine off
while not being completely locked, but that just might be VW's.
I see someone selling a Prius in the paper today, comes with the factory
warrantee. They want more than $25 for the car. I'll pass.
--
Money; What a Concept !

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 3:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
attempted to bullshit and lie its way
out of its predicament and fooled
absolutely no one at all, as always.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 3:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
attempted to bullshit and lie its way
out of its predicament and fooled
absolutely no one at all, as always.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 3:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
attempted to bullshit and lie its way
out of its predicament and fooled
absolutely no one at all, as always.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 3:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

VFW wrote:
> In article <7vof56Fem1U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> VFW wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <4d9fab8f-b6f3-4165-bbfc-b0717ffe9757@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
>>>> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
>>>>> ast.net>,
>>>>>
>>>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch
>>>>>> down.
>>>>>
>>>>>> an automatic (really!)
>>>>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a
>>>>>> new motor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always considered the key a great
>>>>> way to shut the car down.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder
>>>>> to steer...but not impossible.
>>>>
>>>> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in
>>>> gear will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god
>>>> knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you
>>>> are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first
>>>> before even thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my
>>>> opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull
>>>> over before shutting down the engine.
>>>
>>> If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock.
>>
>> Absolutely certainly will lock in fact.
>
> I found there is a point in the key's travel, that turns the engine
> off while not being completely locked, but that just might be VW's.

My VW doesnt lock the steering until you remove the key from the lock.

> I see someone selling a Prius in the paper today, comes with the
> factory warrantee. They want more than $25 for the car. I'll pass.

I dont expect to see any reports of them slashing their wrists.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 11:20 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<80012dFecnU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

In article
<7vu61gF9eU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

Pity that you think censoring a post is
anything but the admission of what a sad
old fool you are

I've fixed the post for you old fella

In article
<7vrhn5F7gsU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds desperately
> attempted to bullshit and lie its way
> out of its predicament and fooled
> absolutely no one at all, as always.

Pity that you think censoring a post is
anything but the admission of what a sad
old fool you are

I've fixed the post for you

In article
<7vr5ueFlscU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > We weren't discussing other roads
>
> Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.

Easy old fella, wouldn't want to have
you spend your pension check on more
meds. What lie is that you think you see?

>
> That is precisely the roads I was commenting on, fuckwit.

You are either talking about California
roads in which case you are dead wrong
or you are talking about other roads in
which case you are terminally stupid

In your case it amounts to about the
same thing

>
> Your comprehension is that fucked ? Your problem, as always.

Maybe you should try white cotton
t-shirts

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 6:35 am
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle

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> In article
> <5aa8997f-229a-4a70-95bb-b2b6e8b14...@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 7:26 am
From: BigDog1

On Mar 11, 8:57 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <mL7mn.17904$ND2...@newsfe05.iad>, Ohioguy <n...@none.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My wife asked me to look into getting circus tickets for us and the 2
> > of our kids that are old enough to enjoy the "Zing Zang Zoom" Ringling
> > Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus when it comes to town. She got some
> > sort of discount code, which I entered.
>
> > Cost for the 4 tickets was supposed to be $38, but then I noticed
> > that Ticket Master wanted to add another $3.75 per ticket "convenience
> > charge". ($15) I couldn't find any additional information about what,
> > exactly, this charge was for. It wasn't called an "online charge", so
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> > their windows. Without any details, what is so convenient about it?
>
> > It adds about 40% on to the cost of the tickets, without anything
> > more than a vague label.
>
> > Then, to add insult to injury, I found out that you can't just print
> > out the tickets. Oh, no, that would be too simple. They want another
> > $2.50 in order to let you use your own printer and print them! I
> > thought maybe I'd swing by to pick them up in person, but they want $3
> > for you to do that! (& then you spend $ on gas, too) UPS 3 day delivery
> > was $14.50. Regular mail delivery was offered for free, but with that
> > option they would wait about 7 weeks before mailing it - supposedly 48
> > hours before the event, in a plain, unmarked envelope.
>
> > I can only assume they aren't mailing out right away with the postal
> > service in order to try to get most folks to avoid the free option.
>
> > It's pretty aggravating, and at this point I guess I'm glad I haven't
> > messed around with them before. Plus, they probably have a monopoly on
> > the ticket sales, and I'm guessing if you want tickets, there is
> > absolutely no way to avoid most of these scam fees, right?
>
> One way to buy tickets without paying Ticketmaster's extortionate fees
> is to buy them in person. This can't always be done, but for many
> events, you can simply go to the venue where the event is being held and
> buy tickets at the facility's box office.
>
> For example, I intend to go see the Atlantic 10 NCAA basketball games in
> Atlantic City, NJ this weekend. I could buy the tickets online, but pay
> all the excessive fees or just take my chances and buy them the day of
> the game at the facility where the games are being played. I plan to
> take my chances and buy my tickets on game day the old fashioned way.

Yep. That works fine. In fact, depending on the event and the venue,
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start setting up. By that time the prime seats for the entire run
have already sold on the internet. Of course the OP is buying four
tickets for $38.00. Knowing what Ringling charges, those are "cheap
seats" and, unless it's a total sell out, will probably be available
right up until show time. His contention that they charge to buy and/
or pick up the tickets at the box office is not consistent my
experience attending live shows for many, many years (decades,
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TOPIC: AAA question
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b5c2145bd5879a2b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 9:27 am
From: SMS

Al wrote:
> On Mar 3, 11:21 pm, "Clincher" <x...@xx.xx> wrote:
>> "Clincher" <x...@xx.xx> wrote in message news:...
>>
>>> "VFW" <george...@toast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:georgeswk-BE8660.21573302032010@news.toast.net...
>>>> I was thinking of getting a car towed but why not join AAA and get the
>>>> tow partially paid for/ But the question is, do they insist on a period
>>>> of time before you may take advantage of that service?
>>> For the same reason you can't buy insurance for a burning building.
>> Damn. Somehow my mind slipped in a "Why" before "do they insist" in the OP's
>> question. Never mind, then.
>
> You were reading logically and inserted the "why." VFW is essentially
> looking for a way to steal money. AAA knows this sort of thing goes on
> and the extra cost is socialized among all purchasers, but it's still
> theft.

Around 1982 our AAA affiliate (CSAA) was pushing "All Risk" insurance to
their auto insurance policy holders. It was somewhat like an extended
warranty, but it was a yearly fee added onto your car insurance. I fell
for the hard sell because I had already had a few problems with my 3
year old car.

The "All Risk" coverage was poorly written and did not exclude wear
items other than brakes. So shocks, struts, clutches, and CV joints,
were all covered.

About two years after I got the policy, my transmission went out. AAA
paid $2200 for a new transmission, then told me they were canceling my
insurance (all of it, not just the "All Risk" portion). I convinced them
to let me keep the regular insurance part of the insurance.

I'd never go back to CSAA insurance. Change the C to a U for the best
insurance.

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TOPIC: Highway Patrol officer helped slow a runaway Toyota Prius from 94 mph
to a safe stop
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df79bbfe5893ac13?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:29 am
From: VFW

In article
<8b1d071a-c49f-4d88-98a9-bd21c51fbe3f@r1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mar 9, 5:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Because our system of testing drivers does not weed out the incompetent
> > ones, who comprise almost 90% of drivers on the road.
>
> The more stupid drivers on the road, the more Toyotas, and the more
> Toyotas, the more chances of accidents like this.

Question #2 Since this car was pre-recall years, was this guy looking
for this 15 minutes or a juicy law suit?
Somethings rotten somewhere?
--
Money; What a Concept !

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 12:45 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle

On Mar 12, 10:29 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <8b1d071a-c49f-4d88-98a9-bd21c51fb...@r1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 5:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Because our system of testing drivers does not weed out the incompetent
> > > ones, who comprise almost 90% of drivers on the road.
>
> > The more stupid drivers on the road, the more Toyotas, and the more
> > Toyotas, the more chances of accidents like this.
>
> Question #2 Since this car was pre-recall years, was this guy looking
> for this 15 minutes or a juicy law suit?
> Somethings rotten somewhere?
> --
> Money; What a Concept !

The fewer the Toyotas, the fewer stupid drivers, so let him get rich!

This is the equivalent of riding an automatic bicycle! Actually they
are not that bad but they are heavy. Anyway they don't kill people.

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TOPIC: GOV. to steal an hour, this Sunday.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c9d3c49a43efdae8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:30 am
From: VFW

Tomorrow.
--
Money; What a Concept !

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TOPIC: Dr. Oz sez;
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6feedf4d45aac818?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 12:50 pm
From: VFW

did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
He sez "prevention" is the way to health care , not big gov.
AFter all , you are on your own.
--
Money; What a Concept !

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 3:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

VFW wrote:
> did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
> He sez "prevention" is the way to health care ,

He's a fool. You cant prevent aging.

> not big gov. AFter all , you are on your own.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 9:17 pm
From: me@privacy.net

VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

>did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
>He sez "prevention" is the way to health care , not big gov.
>AFter all , you are on your own.

how do u prevent chrones disease?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 9:53 pm
From: "DemoDisk"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:cu7mp5ltn1h3jjgit3cto6i38v64rtf9qh@4ax.com...
> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>
> >did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
> >He sez "prevention" is the way to health care , not big gov.
> >AFter all , you are on your own.
>
> how do u prevent chrones disease?

Why, by *preventing* it! Can't you read?
; )

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:06 pm
From: "h"

"DemoDisk" <packrat@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZaednQrQ441uugbWnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@yournetplus.com...
>
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:cu7mp5ltn1h3jjgit3cto6i38v64rtf9qh@4ax.com...
>> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
>> >He sez "prevention" is the way to health care , not big gov.
>> >AFter all , you are on your own.
>>
>> how do u prevent chrones disease?
>

Umm, it's "Crohn's" and you can prevent it (or at least decrease symptoms)
by not eating wheat. Hell, removing wheat from your diet will prevent all
sorts of problems. While wheat/gluten is not the source of all auto-immune
problems, it's certainly an easy place to start. Remove it from your diet
and if your symptoms go away you've just cured your "disease"

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TOPIC: Some American Tendecies: Gum or Zulus?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0308dcdb4df688eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 9:58 pm
From: weary flake

[the following is an undated newspaper clipping, that seems to
be in favor of giving more money to missions. But what are
missions? but sexually satisfied spinsters looking down on us
for wanting to live while spending all their time knitting
sweaters for Zulus. So this seems to be the question, a
seemingly hard one: what choice will it be Americans, gum or
Zulus?]

SOME AMERICAN TENDENCIES

BY REV. E. D. RIEBEL

It is a comparatively easy matter to be an alarmist. There are
always conditions which can be magnified out of their proportion
in order to prove certein preconcieved notions. However, this ought
not to prevent an honest facing of the facts.

While statistics are uninteresting, nevertheless, when properly
analyzed, they are helpful in dignosing actual conditions. A careful
consideration of the following chart cannot help but reveal certain
tendencies in American life of today.

> $ 1,823,279,783 Tobacco
> $ 805,906,990 Confectionary
> $ 541,841,120 Drugs and Patent Medicines
> $ 107,304,100 Perfumes and Cosmetics
> $ 92,232,280 Gum
> $ 44,000,000 Missions
>
> Comparative outlay of the American people in one year. How the
> people value the missionary cause in comparison with certain private
> gratifications

That this chart is far from complete is easily recognized. We have
no mention here of the money that is expended for illicit booze,
gambling, and all attendent vices.

However, there is enough evidence presented in this chart to reveal
the condition that the American people are spending money freely
for many non-essentials. There is no question but what we are
passing through a spending orgy. Recognizing this tendency in
American life, an outstanding football player will forfeit the
privilege of graduation from his university, capitalize his playing
ability, and, if newspaper accounts are reliable, in three weeks
of playing, accumulate the sum of $100,000. While it is but natural
to pass judgement upon the individual player, nevertheless, what
he has been able to do, is because of the response he has received
from an amusement-loving public.

This condition of affairs presents a supreme challenge to the
Christian church. Just how far Christian people are helping to
swell the expenditure of money for non-essentials is for each
individual Christian to answer. In view of the apparent ease with
which the American people are spending money for personal gratification,
it would be a sad commentary upon American life if the various
Christian and philanthropic enterprises should be made to suffer
beacuse of lack of funds. And of all Christian enterprises, the
missionary cause is one that MUST NOT FAIL. (DETROIT, MICH.)

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