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TOPIC: Do you feel guilty about the oil spill?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 5:02 pm
From: me@privacy.net
"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> I can't wait until I can get a
>tiny hatchback for less than $5k!
I cat either really!
I live in the USA.....and think a wise person has two
entirely diff types of vehicles..... an extremely
efficient small vehicle for the bulk of daily
driving.... and a used behemoth SUV for hauling and bad
weather driving (ice n snow)
And also a few bicycles in the mix too
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 6:13 pm
From: Jeff Thies
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises wrote:
> On May 4, 6:39 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/4/2010 4:55 PM, Bob F wrote:> Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>
>>>> 3. No thanks, cars are more than just appliances to me. Sure I could
>>>> drive a 1 liter shitbox, but I like the idea of having 400+ HP at my
>>>> whim. Gas is cheap.
>>> I guess that's the problem. It's too cheap.
>> Well, those who have vehicles that use more fuel are paying
>> proportionately in taxation already. I have no problems with that. It's
>> my choice to drive a muscle car. But I don't think the government should
>> artificially create rules and regulations that get in the way of what
>> the people want. In Britain for example fuel is taxed heavily. It all
>> but forces people to drive smaller, less powerful cars. You have to be
>> rather wealthy in Britain to afford a petrol powered V8 car or SUV. If
>> they had more reasonable (by North American standards) fuel taxation,
>> they probably wouldn't be driving diesel hatchbacks around.
>
> They wouldn't fit in their roads and who cares about cars that are
> bigger outside and waste gas for the hell of it.
>
> My favorite car (most fun, lots of character, perhaps most roomy) has
> always being a 2 cylinder '72 Honda 600. Now Honda cars seem big, fat
> and stupid, except for the Fit.
I think that uses Honda's Variable Valve Timing tuned for optimal
mileage. The Civic HX used the same technology, I think that works
better in the smaller car. Seems like they had some emissions issue with
that also, perhaps NOx.
Next I like the 3 cyl. Geo Metro.
I have a friend who has 3 of them. At least that's what it takes to keep
one on the road. He has a hard time getting them to pass emissions.
>
> That's all you need to go under 70mph.
I'm looking forward to the next generation of electrics. Eventually
mass production will drive down battery costs. I haven't seen a Tesla
yet, but what a dream that car appears to be.
I think some time down the road you might see more hybrids of
differing designs. Imagine a stirling or a diesel hybrid, but battery
cost has to come way down.
My gas solution is just to work at home, an increasingly popular option.
Jeff
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 6:19 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 5/4/2010 7:04 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
> On May 4, 6:39 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/4/2010 4:55 PM, Bob F wrote:> Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>
>>>> 3. No thanks, cars are more than just appliances to me. Sure I could
>>>> drive a 1 liter shitbox, but I like the idea of having 400+ HP at my
>>>> whim. Gas is cheap.
>>
>>> I guess that's the problem. It's too cheap.
>>
>> Well, those who have vehicles that use more fuel are paying
>> proportionately in taxation already. I have no problems with that. It's
>> my choice to drive a muscle car. But I don't think the government should
>> artificially create rules and regulations that get in the way of what
>> the people want. In Britain for example fuel is taxed heavily. It all
>> but forces people to drive smaller, less powerful cars. You have to be
>> rather wealthy in Britain to afford a petrol powered V8 car or SUV. If
>> they had more reasonable (by North American standards) fuel taxation,
>> they probably wouldn't be driving diesel hatchbacks around.
>
> They wouldn't fit in their roads and who cares about cars that are
> bigger outside and waste gas for the hell of it.
>
> My favorite car (most fun, lots of character, perhaps most roomy) has
> always being a 2 cylinder '72 Honda 600. Now Honda cars seem big, fat
> and stupid, except for the Fit. Next I like the 3 cyl. Geo Metro.
>
> That's all you need to go under 70mph.
Some of us like to take our cars to the track, 70 MPH on the Grand
Course at VIR doesn't cut it. The way I see it, 400 HP and 20-23 MPG is
more efficient than 130 HP and 30-40 MPG.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 6:29 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 4, 9:13 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>
>
>
> Enterprises wrote:
> > On May 4, 6:39 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/4/2010 4:55 PM, Bob F wrote:> Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
> >>>> 3. No thanks, cars are more than just appliances to me. Sure I could
> >>>> drive a 1 liter shitbox, but I like the idea of having 400+ HP at my
> >>>> whim. Gas is cheap.
> >>> I guess that's the problem. It's too cheap.
> >> Well, those who have vehicles that use more fuel are paying
> >> proportionately in taxation already. I have no problems with that. It's
> >> my choice to drive a muscle car. But I don't think the government should
> >> artificially create rules and regulations that get in the way of what
> >> the people want. In Britain for example fuel is taxed heavily. It all
> >> but forces people to drive smaller, less powerful cars. You have to be
> >> rather wealthy in Britain to afford a petrol powered V8 car or SUV. If
> >> they had more reasonable (by North American standards) fuel taxation,
> >> they probably wouldn't be driving diesel hatchbacks around.
>
> > They wouldn't fit in their roads and who cares about cars that are
> > bigger outside and waste gas for the hell of it.
>
> > My favorite car (most fun, lots of character, perhaps most roomy) has
> > always being a 2 cylinder '72 Honda 600. Now Honda cars seem big, fat
> > and stupid, except for the Fit.
>
> I think that uses Honda's Variable Valve Timing tuned for optimal
> mileage. The Civic HX used the same technology, I think that works
> better in the smaller car. Seems like they had some emissions issue with
> that also, perhaps NOx.
>
> Next I like the 3 cyl. Geo Metro.
>
> I have a friend who has 3 of them. At least that's what it takes to keep
> one on the road. He has a hard time getting them to pass emissions.
>
>
>
> > That's all you need to go under 70mph.
>
> I'm looking forward to the next generation of electrics. Eventually
> mass production will drive down battery costs. I haven't seen a Tesla
> yet, but what a dream that car appears to be.
>
> I think some time down the road you might see more hybrids of
> differing designs. Imagine a stirling or a diesel hybrid, but battery
> cost has to come way down.
>
> My gas solution is just to work at home, an increasingly popular option.
>
> Jeff
Even I don't find the need to the Colombian jungle, clear up the
trees, and start a revolution. Too much competition and you can better
results at home. ;)
Anyway, what we need is HIGHER GAS PRICES & SPACE... And since the
politicians will not risk their political, survival the first solution
is out of the question. As for SPACE, once you calm down traffic, such
as in Key West, all kinds of vehicles, including EVs, scooters and
bicycles show up.
In Miami Beach where I live is still much of a jungle, except for
South Beach, where you see some bike paths (not a solution), bike
lanes and and some bicycles braving the roads. Around here it's
probably safer to go to the Colombian jungle.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 6:37 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 4, 4:29 pm, supraman_88 <m...@7M.GE> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 May 2010 12:58:21 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> >http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/17762.jpg
>
> Oil slick monster?
>
> So that's what detractors are!
You know, the OIL SLICK MONSTER is important because that way we have
someone to blame. Have you realized NOBODY ADMITS RESPONSIBILITY, so
they they can get to sleep?
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 10:18 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
I've thought this title may have more punch. Chill pill here means,
"you don't give a shit," so let's be honest about it.
You give a shit or you don't, and what are we doing --if anything-- to
change the situation. I will take a chill pill now, I mean to be able
to sleep.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 11:51 pm
From: Jim A
On 05/04/2010 09:55 PM, Bob F wrote:
> Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
>> 3. No thanks, cars are more than just appliances to me. Sure I could
>> drive a 1 liter shitbox, but I like the idea of having 400+ HP at my
>> whim. Gas is cheap.
>
> I guess that's the problem. It's too cheap.
Not here in the UK it isn't.
--
www.slowbicyclemovement.org - enjoy the ride
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 5 2010 12:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 5, 2:51 am, Jim A <j...@averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/04/2010 09:55 PM, Bob F wrote:
>
> > Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
> >> 3. No thanks, cars are more than just appliances to me. Sure I could
> >> drive a 1 liter shitbox, but I like the idea of having 400+ HP at my
> >> whim. Gas is cheap.
>
> > I guess that's the problem. It's too cheap.
>
> Not here in the UK it isn't.
>
> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride
I think you always been pretty happy with the Mini, or you drool over
American cars? I know they are popular in a few places other than
America, like Venezuela and the Middle East where gas is cheaper than
water.
The Chinese want them big too, but that's to be expected for such
short people.
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Date: Tues, May 4 2010 7:00 pm
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TOPIC: Do you blame Darwin for the Big Fish eating the Little Fish?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 4 2010 11:25 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
Oh c'mon, there's this campaign led by Christians against the most
respectable scientist ever to set foot on this filthy, corrupt,
violent and petty little world.
Darwin was merely describing nature, not justifying the predation of
which the Christians are part. God was the one that set up the game of
predator vs. prey if we are to believe the Christians and there's no
evolution and survival of the fittest.
I find the motives behind such campaign very fishy.
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"Little fish of the world, unite!"
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