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* How much power does a 120v 15A lighted switch use anyway? - 7 messages, 3
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TOPIC: How much power does a 120v 15A lighted switch use anyway?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 7:07 pm
From: Smitty Two

In article <cc0fc1662a915cb2ffc06708da69d631@tioat.net>,
Glenda Copeland <gscopeland@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid>
wrote:

> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:
>
> > Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
> > switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
> > Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
>
> You guys have cheap electricity!
>
> I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
> believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)
>
> My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
> Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
> For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
> And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
> 43¢/month.
>
> I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
> otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
> 29¢ rate).
>
> .1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
> = $3.00/year
>
> It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
> if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

So you use up your monthly baseline allocation in a week? Maybe try a
little conservation, that's the idea. And you're worried about a damn
neon bulb?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 7:17 pm
From: Smitty Two

In article <vOOdnTtRQq5q3m7WnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>
> It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
> California's power, and Arizona is pissed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 10:36 pm
From: terry

On May 18, 3:16 pm, Glenda Copeland <gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
> > It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
> > are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
> > "fagetabooutit".
>
> Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
> get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.

And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
36 cents per year.
Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
using electric lights, negligible!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 5:46 am
From: keith

On May 18, 2:25 pm, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> On 5/18/2010 10:11 AM Glenda Copeland spake thus:
>
> > On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> >> Figure about 1/4 watt for those, which means around 2.2 KWH per year
> >> times 1/100 of the percentage of the time that the neon lamp is on.
>
> > I don't understand the 1/100th the percentage (figure 98% of the time the
> > switch is off so the neon bulb is on).
>
> > What's the 1/100 for?
>
> Yeah, Don, what's up with that? Nothing more annoying than unexplained
> "adjustments" like that.

99% is defined as 99 times 1/100.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 5:49 am
From: keith

On May 18, 4:28 pm, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 18, 2:56 pm, keith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 12:14 pm, Glenda Copeland <gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
>
> > Address.invalid> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
> > > >> It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
> > > >> I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.
>
> > > > more lumen/watt from led then neon.
>
> > > It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.
>
> > > What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
> > > computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?
>
> > AM radio, close to the lamp tuned to a very weak station, maybe.
>
> > > BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town! :(- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> there is NO significant RF noise radiated or conducted at all from a
> tiny NE-2 neon lamp..
> Note, we are NOT talking about neon store window signs that operate at
> 25kV.
>
> Mark

There *is* noise caused by the neon firing. Whether you think it is
significant or not is simply a judgment.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 5:56 am
From: keith

On May 19, 12:36 am, terry <tsanf...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On May 18, 3:16 pm, Glenda Copeland <gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
>
> Address.invalid> wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
> > > It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
> > > are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
> > > "fagetabooutit".
>
> > Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
> > get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.
>
> Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
> indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Just a nitpick, but .04 watts per hour is meaningless. It's .04 watt-
hours per hour, or just .04 watts. One watt for one hour is defined
to be one watt-hour.

> Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
> voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

No, it's .04 watts (if that's the number). You can't do some
arithmetic, throwing away precision, and then come back to the same
units with a different number. In this case you lost energy. At
least you could have made a perpetual motion machine. ;-)

> Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.
>
> And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
> cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
> At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
> And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
> 36 cents per year.
> Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
> the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
> the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
> using electric lights, negligible!

If one is using other appliances, such as refrigerators, water
heaters, or clothes dryers, the lights themselves are (usually)
negligible (if not, the whole bill is ;-).

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 5:58 am
From: keith

On May 18, 9:17 pm, Smitty Two <prestwh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <vOOdnTtRQq5q3m7WnZ2dnUVZ_hqdn...@earthlink.com>,
>
> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
> > California's power, and Arizona is pissed.
>
> If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

Actually, Arizona is well on the way to sending you their illegals.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 7:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Yer Pal Al wrote:
> On May 18, 12:51 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The PHANTOM wrote:
>>> On May 18, 8:53 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On May 18, 8:22 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:16:45 -0700, *USA* <sanj...@here.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet. This
>>>>>> should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
>>>>>> Independent.
>>
>>>>>>> From a California school teacher - - -
>>
>>>>>>> "As you listen to the news about the student protests over
>>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>> immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
>>>>>>> I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department
>>>>>>> at a
>>>>>> large southern California high school which is designated a
>>>>>> Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower
>>>>>> socioeconomic and income levels.
>>
>>>>>>> Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
>>>>>> Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are
>>>>>> protesting, are also Title 1 schools.
>>>>>>> Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch
>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>> When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and
>>>>>> roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and
>>>>>> juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food
>>>>>> is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the
>>>>>> trash uneaten.
>>
>>>>>>> I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at
>>>>>>> least
>>>>>> moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The
>>>>>> school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage
>>>>>> pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class
>>>>>> without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or
>>>>>> having family watch their kids.
>>>>>>> I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
>>>>>> funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need
>>>>>> for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up
>>>>>> buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of
>>>>>> which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the
>>>>>> appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to
>>>>>> have a free education in America.
>>
>>>>>>> I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute
>>>>>> teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant
>>>>>> students, here in the country less then 3 months, who raised so
>>>>>> much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores)
>>>>>> and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.
>>
>>>>>>> Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc.,
>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>> etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this
>>>>>> country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
>>
>>>>>>> To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
>>>>>> contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
>>>>>> housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some
>>>>>> time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE
>>>>>> costs.
>>
>>>>>>> Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical
>>>>>>> costs,
>>>>>> more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
>>>>>> overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
>>
>>>>>>> Americans, We need to wake up.
>>
>>>>>>> It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It
>>>>>>> involves an
>>>>>> American third-world culture that does not value education, that
>>>>>> accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by
>>>>>> 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that
>>>>>> has become so weak and worried about "political correctness"
>>>>>> that we don't have the will to do anything about it.
>>>>>>> If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
>>>>>>> everyone you know.
>>
>>>>>>> CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is
>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>> Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't want
>>>>>> expensive produce.
>>
>>>>>>> Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs. But the
>>>>>> bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a
>>>>>> farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
>>
>>>>>>> Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five
>>>>>>> children. He
>>>>>> takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
>>>>>> dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if
>>>>>> he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit"
>>>>>> of up to $3,200 free.
>>
>>>>>>> He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
>>>>>>> He qualifies for food stamps.
>>>>>>> He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
>>>>>>> His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
>>>>>>> He requires bilingual teachers and books.
>>>>>>> He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
>>>>>>> If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify
>>>>>>> for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.
>>
>>>>>>> All of this is at (OUR) taxpayer's expense.
>>>>>>> He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or
>>>>>>> homeowners insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs,
>>>>>>> bulletins and printed material. He and his family receive the
>>>>>>> equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
>>
>>>>>>> Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left
>>>>>>> after paying their bills AND his. Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
>>>>>>> THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE
>>>>>>> CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY.
>>
>>>>>>> AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD
>>>>>>> REPLACE THEM.
>>
>>>>>>> Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration
>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>> is to be considered in 2010. This is important to working
>>>>>> Americans, our economy and our American culture and heritage..
>>
>>>>>>> Grace Gan
>>>>>>> Ukiah Unified School District
>>>>>>> 925 N. State St.
>>>>>>> Ukiah, CA 95482
>>
>>>>> These IQ 85 invaders are an obsolete people who have been
>>>>> encouraged to cross the border. They are the dregs of central
>>>>> America, their homelands are glad to rid of them. Do you want
>>>>> them here?
>>>> That describes 95% of the white Europeans that came here...poor
>>>> white trash, potato famers, religious fanatics that drove their
>>>> neighbors crazy, kids coming out of their ass, a dozen at a time.
>>> You mean the same white europeans that came here,worked hard
>>
>> Plenty of them never did work hard, and plenty of them did lots of
>> crime too.
>>
>>> and built the best country on the planet?
>>
>> Pure fantasy.
>
> What country is better?

Depends on what measure you use.

Plenty are a lot safer, with a much lower murder rate etc.

All modern first world countrys have a better way of handling health care costs.

Quite a few dont have a legal system that has been off the rails for centurys now.

Etc etc etc.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 10:18 pm
From: "GlennR"

"GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:24b868f4-f5da-4892-9908-a3dc6c2354a1@f13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On May 18, 8:22 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:16:45 -0700, *USA* <sanj...@here.com> wrote:
>
That describes 95% of the white Europeans that came here...poor white
trash, potato famers, religious fanatics that drove their neighbors
crazy, kids coming out of their ass, a dozen at a time.

they came here legally, the population was much lower, there was a need for
workers,
they didn't cost the government and taxpayers billions in services, they
were screened when the
entered the country

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:27 am
From: Aztlán@overyerdeadbody.communist

On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:53:17 -0700 (PDT), GLOBALIST
<free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 18, 8:22 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:16:45 -0700, *USA* <sanj...@here.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet. This
>> >should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.
>>
>> > > From a California school teacher - - -
>>
>> > > "As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
>> >immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
>> > > I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a
>> >large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1
>> >school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income
>> >levels.
>>
>> > > Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
>> >Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are
>> >also Title 1 schools.
>> > > Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program.
>> >When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll --
>> >but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would
>> >make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays
>> >and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.
>>
>> > > I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
>> >moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school
>> >also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls
>> >(some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience
>> >of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
>> > > I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
>> >funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for
>> >anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new
>> >computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month
>> >later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who
>> >obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.
>>
>> > > I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute
>> >teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here
>> >in the country less then 3 months, who raised so much hell with the
>> >female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that
>> >the teachers were in tears.
>>
>> > > Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc,
>> >etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country
>> >but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
>>
>> > > To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
>> >contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
>> >housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in
>> >the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
>>
>> > > Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs,
>> >more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding,
>> >new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
>>
>> > > Americans, We need to wake up.
>>
>> > > It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an
>> >American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts
>> >children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that
>> >refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak
>> >and worried about "political correctness" that we don't have the will
>> >to do anything about it.
>> > > If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
>> >everyone you know.
>>
>> > > CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
>> >Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't want
>> >expensive produce.
>>
>> > > Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs. But the
>> >bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce,
>> >and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
>>
>> > > Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He
>> >takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents,
>> >he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income
>> >Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
>>
>> > > He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
>> > > He qualifies for food stamps.
>> > > He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
>> > > His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
>> > > He requires bilingual teachers and books.
>> > > He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
>> > > If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.
>> > > If qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.
>>
>> > > All of this is at (OUR) taxpayer's expense.
>> > > He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
>> >insurance.
>> > > Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
>> > > He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
>> >benefits.
>>
>> > > Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after
>> >paying their bills AND his.
>> > > Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
>> > > THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL
>> >MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY.
>>
>> > > AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM.
>>
>> > > Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration legislation
>> >is to be considered in 2010. This is important to working Americans,
>> >our economy and our American culture and heritage..
>>
>> > > Grace Gan
>> > > Ukiah Unified School District
>> > > 925 N. State St.
>> > > Ukiah, CA 95482
>>
>> These IQ 85 invaders are an obsolete people who have been encouraged
>> to cross the border. They are the dregs of central America, their
>> homelands are glad to rid of them. Do you want them here?
>>
>> cole- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>That describes 95% of the white Europeans that came here...poor white
>trash, potato famers, religious fanatics that drove their neighbors
>crazy, kids coming out of their ass, a dozen at a time.

And they created a nation that put all others to shame.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 7:29 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
news:hsvffe$b7d$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 5/18/2010 8:07 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman °_°"<twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
>> news:hsv999$rhd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 5/18/2010 12:55 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
>>>> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the
>>>> roads.
>>>
>>> Or hates cyclists and wants to scare them off the roads.
>>>
>>>> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to
>>>> this
>>>> poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
>>>>
>>> Hey Ed, you are responding to "TM". What does that make you? ;)
>>
>> Hey, Tom, it is not necessary to put TM in quotation marks. Anyone who
>> monitors these newsgroups knows full well who this jackass is by now.
>>
>> The question I put to you is this ... do you not want to kick his dumb
>> ass?[...]
>
> I have pointed out in the past the fallacies of HHTMCBCQE's posts. That
> was when he was posting mainly to RBM, so you may have missed it.

Mr. Sherman is most amusing. I give him all kinds of opportunities to engage
me, but he regularly chooses not to do so.

Here was my complete post:

"Hey, Tom, it is not necessary to put TM in quotation marks. Anyone who
monitors these newsgroups knows full well who this jackass is by now.

The question I put to you is this ... do you not want to kick his dumb ass?
If not, you have got be some kind of pansy who not only does not have any
balls, but no testosterone. If you do want to kick his dumb ass, then why
haven't you? I have my horsewhip out and I am prepared to use it on his dumb
ass. That is where his brain is, so I might do some good by giving him a
good ass whipping there.

I don't believe there has ever been a dumber poster on these newsgroups in
the entire history of Usenet than TM. Anyone else have any better
candidates?

Let me put it to you as plain as I can ... TM is the dumbest son of a bitch
stupid asshole imbecile ever! Death is too good for him. Nay, I want him to
suffer in hellfire where he would be required to read his own posts forever.
And I (Saint Edward the Great) will not even piss on him to cool him off!"

If I had received a post like the above I would have responded in some
detail. But Mr. Sherman never does that. Nay, he is very selective.

Like I said Mr. Sherman is a nuts and bolts scientific type and I am the
opposite of that. Give me an inch and I will take a mile. Give Mr. Sherman a
mile and he will take an inch. How pathetic!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 8:18 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 18, 1:53 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4973952f-c382-40e7-9bc3-62a972a76437@d12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Say riding a bike, or fighting for justice.
>
> > All you say is Jesus is coming soon, so you don't have to worry. Wake
> > up to reality, beyond the Devil and BS.
>
> > Watch this movie and think about it when your drive...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTa2PTcycyI
>
> > It's time to change after the oil spill. I hope it makes you think.
> > Now or never.
>
> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
> poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
>
> He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
> zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
> with monkeys, but I can't prove it.
>
> TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
> like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
> village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
> longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.
>
> But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
> It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
> if the rest of you can't.

I like to respond to you only indirectly as you have that Napoleonic
Complex that offends my wisdom.

"DON QUIXOTE VS. JESUS"

On May 18, 9:28 am, FatterDumber& Happier Moe

> Somewhere there is a windmill in need of a good tilting and you are
> just the one to do it.

Yep, our only hope is Quixote because Jesus is nowhere to be found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4tFzD13hmc&feature=related

But Jesus was Quixotic too --in an ever crazier way. Who wants to be
crucified for being King of the Jews while they deny you? ;)

---------------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"My Bible is Don Quixote"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 8:21 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 18, 9:07 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in messagenews:hsv999$rhd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > On 5/18/2010 12:55 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> >> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the
> >> roads.
>
> > Or hates cyclists and wants to scare them off the roads.
>
> >> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to
> >> this
> >> poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
>
> > Hey Ed, you are responding to "TM". What does that make you? ;)
>
> Hey, Tom, it is not necessary to put TM in quotation marks. Anyone who
> monitors these newsgroups knows full well who this jackass is by now.
>
> The question I put to you is this ... do you not want to kick his dumb ass?
> If not, you have got be some kind of pansy who not only does not have any
> balls, but no testosterone. If you do want to kick his dumb ass, then why
> haven't you? I have my horsewhip out and I am prepared to use it on his dumb
> ass. That is where his brain is, so I might do some good by giving him a
> good ass whipping there.

You probably need a tamer like this...

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/03/01/werewolf-woman-whip.jpg

She can train to sit and stick the tongue out.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 8:43 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

Look at the consequences of the sheep's stupid War on Drugs...

MEXICO CITY – Most of a small Mexican town's police force has quit
after armed men ambushed and wounded two of their officers.

The resignation of six of the 11 municipal officers in La Union Monday
evening comes after several other Mexican towns have seen mass police
resignations because of cartel violence or threats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100519/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico

***

The Christians will think of investing that money in bicycle
infrastructure, so deal with it.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 7:54 pm
From: "Bob F"

keith wrote:
> On May 18, 10:13 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> keith wrote:
>>>>> ...and that water in the return line never gets hot? ...or it
>>>>> never cools off? You're FOS
>>
>>>> Well, look at it this way:
>>
>>>> The water in the return line is probably close to room temperature.
>>>> He only
>>>> has to heat it from room temperature to his target temperature. If
>>>> he was pulling in cold water from underground, his heater would
>>>> have a lot more work to do. Yes, there are losses when he's done
>>>> using hot water, but probably not as great as the usage from
>>>> heating up all of that
>>>> 40 F water.
>>
>>> But it's the *same* loss as that in the supply line, i.e. twice the
>>> loss.
>>
>> Must be nice to know it all.
>>
>> But you are wrong. Enough said.
>
> If you believe this you're amazingly stupid.

LOL!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 7:56 pm
From: "Bob F"

keith wrote:
> He was claiming that the waste heat helped in the Winter. ...can't
> have it both ways.
>
> Someone in the thread was pointing out heat loss in pipes. Well, it's
> doubled, at minimum, if the hot water is recirculated back to the
> water heater. ...can't have it both ways.

The hot water doesn't get back to the heater. The pump turns off before that.
The hot water gets to the faucet.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 8:25 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 18, 2:45 pm, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:59:56 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises"
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 10:46 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:027815e8-dd68-4e42-bd93-aec3e1666556@v18g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak4I5D6oXuA
>
> >> > The match is undecided, but do you think the strategy of nonviolence
> >> > practiced by Jesus, which led to the crucifiction, is still valid or
> >> > we should rather use firmer action such as bike rides to claim our
> >> > space on the road?
>
> >> > I wonder who wins in that match...
>
> >> Take your religious concerns and stuff them up your ass, you god damn
> >> fucking moron!
>
> >I'm not concerned about religion. It only represents the opium that
> >keeps people from enjoying life and riding a bike.
>
> Is there some reason that we can't ride a bike and have opium later?

Opium is that "Jesus is coming soon" to a theater near you.

Most Christians though are supporting the War on Drugs, whose
resources could be used to improve bike facilities and traffic in
general.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 8:29 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 18, 3:13 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:v0o5v51vfjfhaki99ih00s8r6utoe4drmc@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:59:56 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> > TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises"
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>On May 16, 10:46 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
> >>> QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:027815e8-dd68-4e42-bd93-aec3e1666556@v18g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak4I5D6oXuA
>
> >>> > The match is undecided, but do you think the strategy of nonviolence
> >>> > practiced by Jesus, which led to the crucifiction, is still valid or
> >>> > we should rather use firmer action such as bike rides to claim our
> >>> > space on the road?
>
> >>> > I wonder who wins in that match...
>
> >>> Take your religious concerns and stuff them up your ass, you god damn
> >>> fucking moron!
>
> >>I'm not concerned about religion. It only represents the opium that
> >>keeps people from enjoying life and riding a bike.
>
> > Is there some reason that we can't ride a bike and have opium later?
>
> No one in their right mind pays any attention to this god damn fucking TM.
> He likes to write about monkeys mostly. That is because he is into fucking
> them. He is depraved, but more importantly, he is insane. In short, just
> another poor crazy Usenet bastard!

I'm not nearly as depraved as the sheep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3U2mipXJ1Q

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 10:08 pm
From: Ostap Bender

On May 18, 6:28 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:34:01 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
>
>
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 8:51 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 01:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 16, 12:06 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 02:42:03 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 14, 11:02 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 20:33:10 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 13, 8:27 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 21:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On May 12, 8:01 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 12, 11:50 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:31:03 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 9, 10:10 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 9 May 2010 16:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 7, 6:25 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob®
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 7, 7:44 am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 7, 5:41 am, Jose@Casa_Mierda wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Shredded romaine, 'grab and go' salads linked to 19 cases of the illness
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37005016/
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They crap where they work.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So do the rest of us.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're a greaser? Thought so.....................
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The difference is that OUR employers are
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >required to provide proper facilities.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They have port-a-potties out in the fields. They don't use them. They
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shit in their pants because they're greaser animals!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You are a dumbass for blaming
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the workers instead of the employers.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I blame the employers for not hiring snipers to shoot greasers who
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shit in their pants!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So, what you are saying is that the management knew that their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >employees were shitting into the lettuce but because they had no
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >snipers, they allowed the shit-full lettuce to go out to the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers? Or that the management doesn't pay any attention as to what
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >happens to their lettuce in the first place?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, Logan, what I really said was the dump you live in suggests that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you eat a lot government cheese so you should balance you diet by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> eating as much lettuce as possible.................................
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Host: c-71-202-147-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> LOGAN HANSON
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 261 Topaz St
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Redwood City, CA 94062
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=37.4742++...
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/37nlab5
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Are you trying to figure out my street address from my Comcast's IP
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >address? Nice try but no cigar: I am not LOGAN HANSON and I don't live
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >at 261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And my cheese today is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >buffalo mozzarella from the Naples region.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, your cheese is Fromunda............
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >What is this thing? A bot?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Logan is kinda of a faggot name..............
>
> >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >> >Most likely, your LOGAN HANSON is a female, you idiot. Call her and
> >> >> >> >> >ask. Can you dig up her number?
>
> >> >> >> >> Sucker.............. Julie.............
>
> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> >What does all this drivel mean? Who is Julie?
>
> >> >> >> You're Julie.....
>
> >> >> >What's Julie's last name, genius?
>
> >> >> Look on your driver's license...............
>
> >> >Well, how do you know that the new occupant at 261 Topaz St, Redwood
> >> >City, CA 94062 is named Julie
>
> >> Because the telephone is in her/your name..............
>
> >The telephone is in the name of "Julia"? Just "Julia"? No last name?
>
> Yep, there's a last name...

You are very smart. Your mommy must be very proud of your progress.

> >And what is the phone number?
>
> I'm sure you know your own telephone number..............

I do. But I won't tell you.

> >This is very interesting. Where are you
> >getting these data?
>
> Its called a BTN-http://www.smartprice.com/phone/glossary/BTN.html
>
>
>
> >> >and that she is the only person living
> >> >there?
>
> >> Its not possible to know that completely...........
>
> >> For all I know you keep 34 greasers in that little detached white
> >> garage next to the little white shack-like house???
>
> >Then how can you be sure that I am Julia and not one of the other 33
> >"greasers"? Comprende, amigo? :-)
>
> Because we know that libs actually despise greasers and support
> amnesty only for the lib votes they bring, libs would never let a
> dirty greaser touch their keybosrd...............

I don't support amnesty. Where di you get that idea?

> >> > And if you know all this - how can you not know her last name?
>
> >> Did I say I didn't know it? Nope, I didn't say I didn't
> >> know........... I just didn't tell you.............
>
> >Why? Sudden bouts of modesty and decency?
>
> Decency? C'mon......... Libs don't know the first thing about
> decency.....
>
> >> >> >> > Who is Logan Hanson?
>
> >> >> >> Probably the person who lived there before you............
>
> >> >> >You mean at "261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062"? So, you think
> >> >> >that IP addresses are attached to street addresses?
>
> >> >> Some are.
>
> >> >Really?! How? Tell me more.
>
> >> No thanks, I'm busy and you have a bunch of lettuce to eat and an hour
> >> on that tread climber!!!!!
>
> >> > When I turn off my modem for more than 3
> >> >hours, my cable company - Comcast - releases my IP address, and I get
> >> >assigned a new IP address. In fact, for privacy reasons I change my IP
> >> >addresses every couple of weeks or so.
>
> >> You change your IP? Then change it today or Monday BEFORE your next
> >> post.................
>
> >Hmmmm. I will do it before going to sleep tonight if I don't forget.
>
> Sure you will................

Sorry. You are too late. I already have. So, in what name and street
address is my new IP address listed in your book?

> >> >Tell me how it can be that one person would move out of her house and
> >> >return her Comcast equipment, then another person would move in, get
> >> >her new Comcast equipment - and still keep the same IP address?
>
> >> I doubt that happened...............
>
> >Well, if you tell me how and from where you have "deduced" that I live
> >at 261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062, that my name is "LOGAN
> >HANSON" and "Julia", I'll be able to tell what's going on. Since I do
> >live within 5 miles of Topaz St., I am all ears.
>
> I already know what's going on, but thanks anyway.

Of course you do. My guess is that you are a Republican from some
Appalachian state, where sushi restaurants have forks but family trees
don't, and where even lampposts have more branches than family trees.
So, you believe that the internet is "a series of tubes".

> >> >> > Each house has its
> >> >> >own fixed IP address?
>
> >> >> Nope, it doesn't work that way...........
>
> >> >> >You are not familiar with how IP addresses work, genius, are you?
>
> >> >> Yep, I am.....................
>
> >> >>> You are not familiar with how IP addresses work, genius, are you? You
> >> >>> must be one of those Republican Senators who think that the Internet
> >> >>> is a "series of tubes":
>
> >> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
>
> >> >> Poor Julie................
>
> >> >> >> >What do you want from me?
>
> >> >> >> Nothing at all.
>
> >> >> >> >Do you need a doctor?
>
> >> >> >> Nope.
>
> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> >> >> Enjoy your lettuce, bitch!
>
> >> >Go back to fucking your younger brother/uncle, hillbilly.
>
> >> Poor fat girl Julie......... The "tough guy" thing doesn't work NOW
> >> does it, JULIE??????????
>
> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> Remember, one hour on the stairclimber, every day!!! Eat that
> >> lettuce!!!
>
> >> HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >Gesundheit!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 18 2010 11:43 pm
From: "Paco"

Why don't you two take you little "hot, sweaty monkey love fest" to e-mail?
Or, at the very least, drop r.f.c. from your cross posting. Your affair is
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Date: Wed, May 19 2010 7:04 am
From: Elango

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