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TOPIC: Where do we get dealer's true cost (invoice?) for a Honda Accord or CRV?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 12:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Judy Zappacosta wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> It isnt possible in the ultimate, because the rebate a particular
>> dealer gets from the manufacturer varys considerably, particularly
>> with how they finance the cars they have on the floor etc.
> But what's the closest we can get?
Not very close at all, essentially because factory invoice even if you
could get that isnt very useful at all, because its the rebate that matters.
> I am hoping to get closer than to 'value' pricing at Edmunds:
> http://www.edmunds.com/advice/strategies/articles/102203/article.html
They'd make it available if it was feasible.
> Is there a way to get factory invoice at least?
It wouldnt be much use even if it was available.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 5:45 pm
From: watcher
On 2010-06-11, Judy Zappacosta <zappajNOSPAM@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.\
invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:14:06 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> It isnt possible in the ultimate, because the rebate a particular
>> dealer gets from the manufacturer varys considerably, particularly
>> with how they finance the cars they have on the floor etc.
>
> But what's the closest we can get?
>
> I am hoping to get closer than to 'value' pricing at Edmunds:
> http://www.edmunds.com/advice/strategies/articles/102203/article.html
>
> Is there a way to get factory invoice at least?
I believe that "Consumer Reports" can provide that information, for a fee,
of course. Also, you might want to haunt your local Barnes and Noble, in the
Transportation section; I seem to recall coming across various books that gave
the factory cost of most cars, along with the costs for their various options
and packages. It's been several years, so I might be misrembering, but I
think Edmunds was among those putting out these pricing books. I don't
remember who the other publishers were, unfortunately.
W.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 7:21 pm
From: jim beam
On 06/11/2010 10:21 AM, Judy Zappacosta wrote:
> Where can I get the dealer's true cost for a Honda Accord or CRV?
>
> I went to Edmunds but they only have something called "true value", which
> is not the dealer cost but what people (somehow told them they) paid.
>
> I googled and found tons of car salesmen who would give me car quotes by
> email if I gave them all my personal information.
>
> But, I just anonymously want to find the dealer cost?
>
> Does a website exist which will show us dealer cost?
good luck. dealers go to great lengths to hide that info. "dealer
invoice" is a fiction designed to assist in this deception.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 12:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Jun 11, 11:35 am, "Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com> wrote:
>> Derek C wrote:
>>> I
>>> think that Messrs. Bush, Blair and Brown (why do they all have
>>> surnames that start with a B?) have a lot to answer for.
>>
>> BP gave more money to Obama than any other politician.
>>
>> Obama gave the doomed BP oil rig a SAFETY AWARD two weeks before it
>> blew up.
>>
>> Obama waived inspections and regulation enforcement of many
>> deep-water gulf oil rigs, including Horizon.
>>
>> Obama waited nine full days to say a single public word about the
>> spill.
>>
>> Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (middle name "Israel" in an
>> ironic, self-hating twist) lived rent-free in a BP lobbyist's DC
>> townhouse. (You know, those lobbyists Obama pledged would be
>> eliminated from his admin.) Can you imagine if Carl Freaking Rove
>> had had an arrangement like that? Wonder if he paid taxes on that
>> little deal.
>>
>> Obama appointed an incompetent (read: corrupt) crony to head the
>> MMS, then fired her. When asked about it, the Man In Charge From Day
>> One knew nothing about it.
>>
>> But it's all Bush's fault.
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> BS
>
> I think the Republicans are more openly PRO-BUSINESS while the
> Democrats really pretend to put a cap on it. But our most leftist
> politician is likely to the right of Europe's most right wing.
> The whole thing takes some thinking outside of the box.
Nope. Thats just another mindless mantra.
> Obama could have opened a whole new era when
> he rescued the American automobile industry,
Nope.
> which could have produced alternative transportation (trains,
> trolleys, buses) instead of the same old junk dependent on Big Oil.
Car plants are useless for producing trains, stupid.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 1:43 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 11, 2:11 pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Jun 11, 1:09 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 11:35 am, "Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com> wrote:
>
> > > Derek C wrote:
> > > > I
> > > > think that Messrs. Bush, Blair and Brown (why do they all have
> > > > surnames that start with a B?) have a lot to answer for.
>
> > > BP gave more money to Obama than any other politician.
>
> > > Obama gave the doomed BP oil rig a SAFETY AWARD two weeks before it blew up.
>
> > > Obama waived inspections and regulation enforcement of many deep-water gulf
> > > oil rigs, including Horizon.
>
> > > Obama waited nine full days to say a single public word about the spill.
>
> > > Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (middle name "Israel" in an ironic,
> > > self-hating twist) lived rent-free in a BP lobbyist's DC townhouse. (You
> > > know, those lobbyists Obama pledged would be eliminated from his admin.)
> > > Can you imagine if Carl Freaking Rove had had an arrangement like that?
> > > Wonder if he paid taxes on that little deal.
>
> > > Obama appointed an incompetent (read: corrupt) crony to head the MMS, then
> > > fired her. When asked about it, the Man In Charge From Day One knew nothing
> > > about it.
>
> > > But it's all Bush's fault.
>
> > > Got it.
>
> > > BS
>
> > I think the Republicans are more openly PRO-BUSINESS while the
> > Democrats really pretend to put a cap on it. But our most leftist
> > politician is likely to the right of Europe's most right wing.
>
> > The whole thing takes some thinking outside of the box.
>
> > Obama could have opened a whole new era when he rescued the American
> > automobile industry, which could have produced alternative
> > transportation (trains, trolleys, buses) instead of the same old junk
> > dependent on Big Oil.
>
> Exactly what do you think trains, trolleys and buses run on? Pixie
> dust?
Efficiency is the name of the game. Public transportation (properly
used) is so much more efficient than cars. Germany and Japan only have
a third of American consumption.
Bicycles can be used to further facilitate individual transportation
at the local level or in conjunction with public transportation.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 1:51 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 11, 3:57 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
>
>
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > On Jun 11, 11:35 am, "Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com> wrote:
> >> Derek C wrote:
> >>> I
> >>> think that Messrs. Bush, Blair and Brown (why do they all have
> >>> surnames that start with a B?) have a lot to answer for.
>
> >> BP gave more money to Obama than any other politician.
>
> >> Obama gave the doomed BP oil rig a SAFETY AWARD two weeks before it
> >> blew up.
>
> >> Obama waived inspections and regulation enforcement of many
> >> deep-water gulf oil rigs, including Horizon.
>
> >> Obama waited nine full days to say a single public word about the
> >> spill.
>
> >> Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (middle name "Israel" in an
> >> ironic, self-hating twist) lived rent-free in a BP lobbyist's DC
> >> townhouse. (You know, those lobbyists Obama pledged would be
> >> eliminated from his admin.) Can you imagine if Carl Freaking Rove
> >> had had an arrangement like that? Wonder if he paid taxes on that
> >> little deal.
>
> >> Obama appointed an incompetent (read: corrupt) crony to head the
> >> MMS, then fired her. When asked about it, the Man In Charge From Day
> >> One knew nothing about it.
>
> >> But it's all Bush's fault.
>
> >> Got it.
>
> >> BS
>
> > I think the Republicans are more openly PRO-BUSINESS while the
> > Democrats really pretend to put a cap on it. But our most leftist
> > politician is likely to the right of Europe's most right wing.
> > The whole thing takes some thinking outside of the box.
>
> Nope. Thats just another mindless mantra.
Nobody questions in Europe the need for improving transportation
infrastructure such as trains or even bike facilities.
>
> > Obama could have opened a whole new era when
> > he rescued the American automobile industry,
>
> Nope.
Oh yeah, he's the last chance we got. The Republicans coming after him
will all be about selfishness.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 3:09 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Bill Sornson" <sorni@noyb.com> wrote in message
news:4c1257fa$1@news.x-privat.org...
> Derek C wrote:
>
>> I
>> think that Messrs. Bush, Blair and Brown (why do they all have
>> surnames that start with a B?) have a lot to answer for.
>
> BP gave more money to Obama than any other politician.
>
> Obama gave the doomed BP oil rig a SAFETY AWARD two weeks before it blew
> up.
>
> Obama waived inspections and regulation enforcement of many deep-water
> gulf oil rigs, including Horizon.
>
> Obama waited nine full days to say a single public word about the spill.
>
> Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (middle name "Israel" in an ironic,
> self-hating twist) lived rent-free in a BP lobbyist's DC townhouse. (You
> know, those lobbyists Obama pledged would be eliminated from his admin.)
> Can you imagine if Carl Freaking Rove had had an arrangement like that?
> Wonder if he paid taxes on that little deal.
>
> Obama appointed an incompetent (read: corrupt) crony to head the MMS, then
> fired her. When asked about it, the Man In Charge From Day One knew
> nothing about it.
>
> But it's all Bush's fault.
>
> Got it.
Bill Sornson has got his facts straight and knows how to get to the point.
If only there were others on these newsgroups who had even half his
intelligence. But instead we are stuck with liberal ideologues who frankly
do not know their asses from a hole in the ground. Embrace an ideology and
become an idiot. That is about the only thing these newsgroups teach us.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 4:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
>>> Bill Sornson <so...@noyb.com> wrote
>>>> Derek C wrote
>>>>> I think that Messrs. Bush, Blair and Brown (why do they all
>>>>> have surnames that start with a B?) have a lot to answer for.
>>>> BP gave more money to Obama than any other politician.
>>>> Obama gave the doomed BP oil rig a SAFETY AWARD two weeks before it blew up.
>>>> Obama waived inspections and regulation enforcement
>>>> of many deep-water gulf oil rigs, including Horizon.
>>>> Obama waited nine full days to say a single public word about the spill.
>>>> Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (middle name "Israel" in an
>>>> ironic, self-hating twist) lived rent-free in a BP lobbyist's DC
>>>> townhouse. (You know, those lobbyists Obama pledged would be
>>>> eliminated from his admin.) Can you imagine if Carl Freaking Rove
>>>> had had an arrangement like that? Wonder if he paid taxes on that
>>>> little deal.
>>>> Obama appointed an incompetent (read: corrupt) crony to head the
>>>> MMS, then fired her. When asked about it, the Man In Charge From
>>>> Day One knew nothing about it.
>>>> But it's all Bush's fault.
>>>> Got it.
>>>> BS
>>> I think the Republicans are more openly PRO-BUSINESS while the
>>> Democrats really pretend to put a cap on it. But our most leftist
>>> politician is likely to the right of Europe's most right wing.
>>> The whole thing takes some thinking outside of the box.
>> Nope. Thats just another mindless mantra.
> Nobody questions in Europe the need for improving transportation
> infrastructure such as trains or even bike facilities.
Wrong, as always. Watch Top Gear sometime.
>>> Obama could have opened a whole new era when
>>> he rescued the American automobile industry,
>> Nope.
> Oh yeah, he's the last chance we got.
Nope. He's just another stupid lawyer, nothing will change, you watch.
> The Republicans coming after him will all be about selfishness.
There wont be another repug prez any time soon after those clowns allowed
the complete implosion of the entire world financial system, AGAIN.
You wont see labor in govt in that soggy little island of yours any time soon either.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 5:00 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 11, 7:12 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> >>> Bill Sornson <so...@noyb.com> wrote
> >>>> Derek C wrote
> >>>>> I think that Messrs. Bush, Blair and Brown (why do they all
> >>>>> have surnames that start with a B?) have a lot to answer for.
> >>>> BP gave more money to Obama than any other politician.
> >>>> Obama gave the doomed BP oil rig a SAFETY AWARD two weeks before it blew up.
> >>>> Obama waived inspections and regulation enforcement
> >>>> of many deep-water gulf oil rigs, including Horizon.
> >>>> Obama waited nine full days to say a single public word about the spill.
> >>>> Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (middle name "Israel" in an
> >>>> ironic, self-hating twist) lived rent-free in a BP lobbyist's DC
> >>>> townhouse. (You know, those lobbyists Obama pledged would be
> >>>> eliminated from his admin.) Can you imagine if Carl Freaking Rove
> >>>> had had an arrangement like that? Wonder if he paid taxes on that
> >>>> little deal.
> >>>> Obama appointed an incompetent (read: corrupt) crony to head the
> >>>> MMS, then fired her. When asked about it, the Man In Charge From
> >>>> Day One knew nothing about it.
> >>>> But it's all Bush's fault.
> >>>> Got it.
> >>>> BS
> >>> I think the Republicans are more openly PRO-BUSINESS while the
> >>> Democrats really pretend to put a cap on it. But our most leftist
> >>> politician is likely to the right of Europe's most right wing.
> >>> The whole thing takes some thinking outside of the box.
> >> Nope. Thats just another mindless mantra.
> > Nobody questions in Europe the need for improving transportation
> > infrastructure such as trains or even bike facilities.
>
> Wrong, as always. Watch Top Gear sometime.
>
> >>> Obama could have opened a whole new era when
> >>> he rescued the American automobile industry,
> >> Nope.
> > Oh yeah, he's the last chance we got.
>
> Nope. He's just another stupid lawyer, nothing will change, you watch.
>
> > The Republicans coming after him will all be about selfishness.
>
> There wont be another repug prez any time soon after those clowns allowed
> the complete implosion of the entire world financial system, AGAIN.
>
> You wont see labor in govt in that soggy little island of yours any time soon either.
If Obama doesn't deliver, the next charismatic leader will take the
prize.
Maybe even Sarah Palin!
http://www.palin4pres2012.com/
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 7:05 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 11, 8:19 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Remember this: "WE NEED THE SPACE TO LIVE!"
>
> Don't play The Scarcity Game.
>
> More to the point, everyone knows we owe China & Japan oodles of money
> to pay for Hussein Obama's little private wars...
I thought he inherited those hot potatoes, I mean hot spots.
Anyway, shouldn't we give up such Quixotic enterprises and start
nation building here?
Imagine we had so many resources to do something really grandiose
here.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 7:18 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 11, 10:05 pm, "Smiler." <Smi...@Jo.king.com> wrote:
> Pink Freud wrote:
> > "Alan Ferris" <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:ejq31691og8ann237nnuqfs1meflr5ra7g@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:09:51 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> >> TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I was hearing in the news today how worried the British government
> >>> is about BP losing ground and the investors not getting their
> >>> returns... That would be the End of the World as we know it, right?
>
> > It would be for the British pensioners present and future whose
> > pension funds are tied up in BPs shareprice, you annoying little
> > monkey.
>
> Although 40% of BP is owned by British people and British pension funds, 39%
> of it is owned by Americans and US pension funds. So it could also hit his
> pension where it hurts....in his pocket.
I don't pity pensioners who invest in dirty oil. Let them be wise and
invest in solar energy or something clean.
They will learn the lesson next time, though the hammock industry
looks good...
(He's talking about the bad corporations selling bad rope hammocks)
"Public corporations are bound by their duty to shareholders to sell
you the least comfort for the highest profit"
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Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 4:55 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 11, 6:34 pm, "CharlesGrozny" <n5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
>
> news:rP-dncsj6MqgKY_RnZ2dnUVZ_qoAAAAA@ptd.net...
>
> > Have you ask your grand mother what she thinks of your bicycle idea?
> > LOL
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
> > Tantra-Hammock"
>
> >> Bicycles can be used to further facilitate individual transportation
> >> at the local level or in conjunction with public transportation.
>
> Much as I wish that mass transit would actually transit the masses, unlike
> Mr. Monkey Stretcher, I realize that the suburbs are not built to facilitate
> such things. The suburban transit systems, at least in Chicago, are not
> used as much as they could be, because:
>
> 1. Busses don't run at convenient times for most people who would like to
> use them. In the city, the average bus route sees a bus every 15 minutes
> during rush hour, and they are packed. In the burbs, you're lucky to see
> one every two hours, and it's usually too early or too late for most people.
> The average PACE bus has 1-3 passengers.
>
> 2. Rail gets used more, because most people are heading downtown to work,
> and the rail was here before the suburbs were, so people are used to using
> rail transport. Also, when one gets downtown, it's usually an easy walk to
> one's final destination. A lot of people drive to the train station to pick
> up the train, too.
>
> 3. Suburbs are not built in America to facilitate either walking or biking
> There are now 'bike paths' but most of these are recreational in nature, not
> designed for real-world traffic. When suburbs were built following WW2,
> they were built for cars as a primary means of transport. Stores were not
> designed to be within walking distance or even bike-riding distance. It's
> not like the old neighborhoods in the city, where there was a shop within a
> block or two, and most distances could be walked in a decent amount of time,
> or could be ridden on a bicycle (not at rush hour, of course.)
>
> So as much as Mr. Monkey Stretcher would like it that way, he's trying to
> paddle up Niagara Falls. He wants BIG changes, and he's never going to get
> them. How is he trying to get things changed, besides talking like a man
> with a cardboard asshole here on the alt.auto.toyota newsgroup?
>
> Charles Grozny
Oh no, I'm talking also to the groups where men talk (or rumor) about
revolution. See above.
I am aware of all those problems and yet I remain somewhat optimistic
that *we the people* can bring about the necessary changes by
reclaiming the space taken away from the cyclists at the beginning of
the automobile era.
ALL WE NEED IS TO *TAKE THE LANE* IN A COORDINATED WAY AND STAY THERE.
That is our place. The cars must go around you on the other lane and
watch for you.
If the small one must watch for the big one, which takes already takes
the lion's share of the road... we would be ruled by the Law of the
Jungle.
It would like the Taliban, but a Democratic Taliban, without any hope
of change.
There are no troops coming to rescue us, only our capacity to MAKE
NOISE can bring us the SOLIDARITY that we need.
http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.html
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 5:09 pm
From: Spehro Pefhany
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:27:08 -0700 (PDT), the renowned Shylock
<hairyharry@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 8:02�am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 7:43�am, muto2100 <maniek...@gazeta.pl> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.cnbc.com/id/37610064
>>
>> American journey, "ship of fools".
>>
>> brad
>
>>
>>
>
>Hello,
>
>So youare saying you believe yourself to be the captain?
>Whathave you to offer us for selfhelp?
>
>Truly
>
>Truth will set you free, according to Jesus in John 8:32
If it's a reference to Ted Kaczynski, he considers himself a mere
cabin boy.
http://www.sacredfools.org/crimescene/casefiles/s2/shipoffoolsstory.htm
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Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 5:39 pm
From: tripletask@gmail..com
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:23:30 -0500, Alfred Stomacker
<alfredstomacker@gmail.com> wrote:
>That is right . the very maggot sup[porting loser that refuses to
>process illegals from AZ and lets all non felony illegals go free is
>now demanding that tax payers flip the bill to make them feel good
>while in custody . He wants bingo, a fresh vegetable bar, teachers ,
>pottery classes , TV nights , continental breakfast on week ends , 12
>hour visitations , free phone calls , hanging plants , low risk
>inmates or guests as they call them are to have many freedoms to run
>around as they wish, Eliminating lock downs and lights-out for
>low-risk detainees, providing a unit manger so detainees have someone
>to report problems to other than the guard , Allowing low-risk
>detainees to wear their own clothing or other non-penal attire ,
>Providing e-mail access and Internet-based free phone service.
>
>And get this shit .. NO MORE SEARCHING ILLEGALS WHEN CAUGHT . That is
>right folks. No more pat down searches for illegal maggot criminals
>from Mexico . You get arrested you get searched . You get detained
>just to place you in the car for a moment or two and you get searched
>. They no longer will be searched . Guns knives drugs all come to the
>facility with them .
>
>head loser of ICE and incompetent jerk says that this is not about
>punishing people for a crime they committed . It is about treating
>them with respect and deporting them after they have had a very nice
>comfy stay in America .
>What the fuck . they did commit a crime . A federal crime . This guy
>need to be ousted .He can not dole out justice . He needs a different
>kind of job .
The federal government in Washington is totally worthless.There is
hope. American economy will continue to lose ground in the global
market. We are simply not competitive. Experts suggest that 2011
is really going to stink. Anticipate social unrest which can go
anywhere. America needs a total absolute rebuild. Tough part
will be watching the continuing decline. The system is not up to
the job.
cole
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 5:53 pm
From: watcher
On 2010-06-10, Vandy Terre <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
> On 09 Jun 2010 21:33:09 GMT, watcher <watcher@news.netaxs.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-06-09, Shaun <sheep@sheep2.net> wrote:
>>> Vandy Terre wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:55:53 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/07/10 21:40, VFW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What does Mouth Wash really do? and "Tom's" is sure expensive. any
>>>>>> recipes for good DIY mouth wash. I sometimes add it to my Water Pik.
>>>>> It makes your wallet lighter. Aside from that, nothing that brushing your
>>>>> teeth doesn't do. Listerine contains as much alcohol as cheap Mexican
>>>>> ersatz 'tequila' (which doesn't taste as awful), so you might (or might
>>>>> not) want to use it after dental work.
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Bev, I disagree with your statement in some ways. I agree that in
>>>> general, mouth wash has little real value. The exception being original
>>>> formula Listerine. By using the original Listerine daily I make a major
>>>> cut in sore gums, colds and upper respiratory tract infections. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...or you could buy the Walmart generic equivalent (Equate brand) that
>>> has exactly the same ingredients in the same proportions for around half
>>> the price...
>>
>>Even cheaper are the 1-1.5 liter bottles you can get at some of the "Dollar"
>>stores. And, some of the supermarket chains(like ShopRite) will occasionally
>>put their own brand of 1.5 liter bottles on sale for about 1/2 of what the
>>equivalent product goes for at Wally World. Myself, I only buy the
>>"Antiseptic" form of mothwash, with at least 21% alcohol, to rinse my mouth
>>out before I got to bed. This should reduce the bacterial population in my
>>mouth and give me a fighting chance of stopping gum recession, or so my
>>dentist tells me. Since we all generate much less saliva when we sleep, the
>>normal wash-away of bacteria that occurs during the day doesn't happen, so we
>>might as well start the night off with as few as possible of the little
>>critters in your mouth.
>>
>>W.
>
> I tried 'store brand' products and was not happy with Listerine copies. Using
> Listerine slows down how many times a year I need a doctor. It works for me,
> may not work for others.
>
I used both Listerine and the store brands when my dentist told me I needed to
use the antiseptic mouthwash to prevent plaque build-up and gum recession. As
far as I can tell, after many succeeding checkups, the results were the same
for both. Of course, YMMV.
W.
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