Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 9 topics

Wednesday, June 23, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: avoid health insurance prevention of diseases, ebook the flame within
at www.cidpusa.org
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a8e06441ce413389?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 9:41 pm
From: Jennifer

avoid health insurance prevention of diseases, ebook the flame within
at www.cidpusa.org

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TOPIC: Does Your Bank Suck?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/61147f4f7b1ec00a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 12:51 am
From: Ray

Does Your Bank Suck?
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 12:58 am
From: Ray

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TOPIC: the recipe calls for softened butter
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 4:41 am
From: noel888

What determines a softened butter, or margarine for that matter.?
Would liquefying it in a microwave do just as well? Or is it
something like mush in your hands considered 'softened"?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 6:06 am
From: myob@inter.net

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 04:41:59 -0700 (PDT), noel888 <harri85274@aol.com>
wrote:

>What determines a softened butter, or margarine for that matter.?
>Would liquefying it in a microwave do just as well? Or is it
>something like mush in your hands considered 'softened"?

i would be careful of the microwave. softened is not liquified.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:13 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jun 23, 7:41 am, noel888 <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> What determines a softened butter, or margarine for that matter.?
> Would liquefying it in a microwave do just as well? Or is it
> something like mush in your hands considered 'softened"?

A lot depends on the recipe. Some recipes depend on the
physical characteristics of the butter, others don't care if
it's melted. It would be nice to know what you're making.

That said, "softened butter" is usually at or slightly higher
than 70 F (room temperature).

If you're careful, you can soften butter in the microwave at
10% power. If you can plan ahead, though, just leave it
out of the fridge for a few hours.

Cindy Hamilton

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TOPIC: TSA shaving mirror out of a hard disk drive (what are those shiny
platters made out of anyway)?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/680b452b6da0d742?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 6:06 am
From: Sylvia Else

On 22/06/2010 2:48 PM, Elmo wrote:
> What are the shiny CDROM-sized platters in an old desktop disk drive made
> out of?
>
> I glued two of them together so that the offset covered the center hole to
> use as an indestructable traveling shaving mirror.
>
> A friend said they won't pass TSA security

You're suggesting that TSA use any sort of rational criterion when
deciding what to let through?

Sylvia.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:02 am
From: TimR

On Jun 22, 6:40 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Elmo wrote:

>
> I wouldnt like to predict what some trained ape will make of them.

I wouldn't take a chance.

I'd put them in a protective sleeve. I'd use one of those free AOL
disk sleeves you find in piles everywhere.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 11:14 am
From: mm

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:47:23 +0000, info_at_1-script_dot_com@foo.com
(DA) wrote:

>responding to
>http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/TSA-shaving-mirror-out-of-a-hard-disk-drive-what-are-those-448822-.htm
>DA wrote:
>
>Elmo wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> What are the shiny CDROM-sized platters in an old desktop disk drive
>> made
>> out of?
>
>> I glued two of them together so that the offset covered the center hole
>> to
>> use as an indestructable traveling shaving mirror.
>
>> A friend said they won't pass TSA security but they're not sharp. They
>> are
>> just really shiny and really flat.
>
>> What are they made out of anyway?
>
>A bit of a strange choice of material for *traveling* shaving mirror (and
>shape, too: how do you hold it while shaving?) - there are plastic mirrors
>that are brighter and lighter. You'd think weight would be an important
>parameter for a traveler...
>
>But I think TSA should definitely have an issue with you bringing it into
>the cabin (why do you need a shaving mirror there anyways? Half the wall

So he'll have an excuse to bring a razor! A straight razor with a
blade 4 inches long. He can use is leather briefcase as a strop.

>space in a lavatory not enough?) . If it's a ceramic platter, it should be
>able to shutter into very sharp shards useful for well, I don't know,
>slashing someone's throat to hijack a plane?
>
>Leave it at home.
>
>-------------------------------------
> /\_/\
>((@v@)) NIGHT
>():::() OWL
> VV-VV
>
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 11:16 am
From: mm

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:09:28 +0000 (UTC), Elmo
<dcdraftworks@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:

>
>I've had glass mirrors (which obviously shatter); I've had plastic mirrors
>(which scratch too easily and aren't all that reflective; and I've had even
>used nicely handled old round concave (or are they convex?)

Convex. Easy to remember. The other ones are like caves, and they're
called concave.

>Japanese-motorcycle mirrors (which eventually broke due to the glass).

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TOPIC: Look "poor" for certain people...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f5a6dceb6c1fe92f?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 6:51 am
From: "Bill"

Some professionals and service people have a bit of leeway with what they
charge you for services...

...so look "poor" if going to the vet, taking your car in for repair, etc.
Wear old shoes with holes in them, faded clothes etc. Leave the gold jewelry
at home. Maybe they will keep the cost to a minimum?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 7:13 am
From: Michael Black

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Bill wrote:

> Some professionals and service people have a bit of leeway with what they
> charge you for services...
>
> ...so look "poor" if going to the vet, taking your car in for repair, etc.
> Wear old shoes with holes in them, faded clothes etc. Leave the gold jewelry
> at home. Maybe they will keep the cost to a minimum?
>
And then you should pretend to be "a professional" for those that give
"professional discounts"?

That just sounds cheap.

It's one thing to live a certain way, and then get whatever comes your
way (or not), it's another to pretend to be something in order to
"get the best deal".

If you are actually frugal, chances are good that you won't be seen
as "rich", but there it is a reflection of your overall life, not
some costume in order to get a cheaper price.

Michael

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 9:53 am
From: VFW

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.1006231010550.7740@darkstar.example.net>,
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Bill wrote:
>
> > Some professionals and service people have a bit of leeway with what they
> > charge you for services...
> >
> > ...so look "poor" if going to the vet, taking your car in for repair, etc.
> > Wear old shoes with holes in them, faded clothes etc. Leave the gold jewelry
> > at home. Maybe they will keep the cost to a minimum?
> >
> And then you should pretend to be "a professional" for those that give
> "professional discounts"?
>
> That just sounds cheap.
>
> It's one thing to live a certain way, and then get whatever comes your
> way (or not), it's another to pretend to be something in order to
> "get the best deal".
>
> If you are actually frugal, chances are good that you won't be seen
> as "rich", but there it is a reflection of your overall life, not
> some costume in order to get a cheaper price.
>
> Michael

I did take my nephew to a car inspection done by the state and he did
have a rip in his pants. I think they passed the car even tho it was
un-safe to thin the herd.
I could be wrong.
--
Money! What a concept.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:20 am
From: "Bill"

> And then you should pretend to be "a professional" for those that give
> "professional discounts"?
>

That's a good idea!

I think I'll search the 2nd hand stores for white coats and a stethoscope.
Maybe a nurses hat. Do you think they would know I was not a nurse if I left
my mustache on? :-)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 11:56 am
From: Derald

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Some professionals and service people have a bit of leeway with what they
>charge you for services...
...but you do not want to give them your custom. Clients' or
customers' means in no way affects the value of the "professional"'s
services. A willingness to "deal" or "cut some slack" simply means that
the guy was overpriced, in the first place or simply might not be very
good at his job.
>
>...so look "poor" if going to the vet, taking your car in for repair, etc.
>Wear old shoes with holes in them, faded clothes etc. Leave the gold jewelry
>at home. Maybe they will keep the cost to a minimum?
No; looking "poor" gets one: Contempt; disregard; ignored; cut
in-front of in ques; cut off in traffic; threatened in crosswalks; hit
by "cute" children; denied professional services; denied medical care
although one might afford the quackologist's entire practice; and
regularly induces the least smart of bitch-mammas to move between
scruffy fellow shoppers and their nascent-bitches in the supermarket
aisle (leaving their purses unattended, more often than not). I know
first hand the kind of "leeway" that looking "poor" gets one.
--
Derald

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TOPIC: We're looking for a deal on a '69 K.Ghia
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 9:56 am
From: VFW

I've heard of people who restore cars and then sell them to make way for
the next project. We seek such a fine vehicle.
spec. a 1969 Karmann Ghia coupe 4or 5 speed trans-axle. not for show , a
daily driver. CA or Or.
georgewk@toast.net
TIA
--
Money! What a concept.

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TOPIC: I have been blessed --me discussing with the masters
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 23, 5:01 am, norbu_tragri <norbu.tra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 8:09 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The tiny mosquito can drive the giant (us) crazy. David vs. Goliath.
> > They are also many, so they also show the united we can accomplish
> > anything.
>
> Or that we can do little more than be here now - itch itch itch...

It also tests our wisdom not to use DDT. ;)

Regrettably, the same wisdom though is not applied to food sources and
pesticides.

> > Wait a minute, that mosquito is sucking your blood and he's within
> > reach... What do we do? Strike or tell him "I love you?"
>
> if i didn't have allergic reactions - prolly let her (it's the female
> that needs a
> "blood meal" for eggs) - given a chance i shoo them away...

Are we sounding a little male chauvinists? Well, such is the wisdom of
nature.

> > > Wise Monkey smacks mosquitoes, Wise Buddha lets them live.
>
> Just so...

Or maybe there's a mundane explanation that there were no mosquitoes
there.

>
> > > Who knows which is which....a mosquitoe approaches...
> > > there is no line, chaos follows...
> > > What follows is improvisation, dance...
> > > No set lines.
>
> You got it.

Exactly, the Law of the Jungle ensues and you are on your own.

>
> It's life and death on one side, how you react on the other...
> If you can interupt the blood meal before Mrs Mosq poops poison
> in your vein...

I didn't know they put poop in me. That's nasty. ;)
>
>
>
> > Wise Monkey blows them away with fan, and then whoever crosses the
> > line is "dead meat."
>
> Just keep the fan going, no one can then alight, swoosh all away...

So long as there's electricity...

>
>
>
> > Though I can find a good reason to dance in their presence rather than
> > sitting like Buddha.
>
> They go for breath-scent...some vitamins and herbs in blood repel
> them...
>
> Then there's "deet" etc - if you're old you'll prolly croak anyway
> before the
> cancer gets you.

Then let's go the natural way. Go into the Everglades in the winter
not the summer.
>
>
>
> > Hey, the mosquitoes have to learn to respect too!
>
> For real science - yep, a computer modeling project for all the
> trillions of
> variables of mosquitoes evolving beyond the pooping poison into viens
> behavior...
>
> That's not fiction , something like that might be useful to eradicate
> malaria
> and west nile...
>
> and the plain old mosq itch and owwie...
>
> > It's break time in
> > the hammock, you know.
>
> Summer is....

Winter too is good in South Florida.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > There is very much climate change going on, and very bad news...
>
> > That's the reality, even in the Tibetan peaks. Only simple life can
> > stop it.
>
> > > > I think nature is the only thing worth worshiping if there's something
> > > > that needs dying for or living for.
>
> > > i prefer mutual respect to groveling or demanding worship,
> > > and nature seems to be okay with that, she hasn't stopped hugging me,
> > > or i her...
>
> > You can hug a tree and never feel betrayed like a woman could.
>
> Feh.
>
> Betrayed is the flipside of demands. Everyone is like trees, and
> not...
> Just let it all go. No need to cling to the stories or to push them
> away...
> Love, loss, peace, friendliness, let the fireworks light up the sky...
> You can't really stop them - they won't really destroy you, just open
> your heart
> wide open..........
>
> when you lose everything.......

I'll make it fair. I'd put a sign that says, "NO MOSQUITOES WELCOME,"
and any trespassers are fair game.
>
>
>
> > > > But when you start loving the mosquitoes, you know you went too far. ;)
>
> > > when mosquitoes go too far you might love to let them know...
>
> > > what that says about human life though....
>
> > > - n
>
> > I'll say "I love you mosquito," before I smack them. ;)
>
> i might too...
>
> it's a bumpy path....
>
> :)

Trial and error until we tame the mosquito or fool them to drink Kool-
Aid.

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TOPIC: The Americanization of the World
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:23 am
From: JimmyMac

On Jun 22, 5:05 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 9:12 am, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 5:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:67208847-37d6-46db-a6af-f7577deb44ef@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > > [...]
>
> > > TIBETAN MONKEY ... you are obviously a bright guy but one who
> > > seemingly has too much time on his hands. You apparently believe it is
> > > your imperative to enlighten the readership. To such ends, you
> > > hijacked this newsgroup to serve as your own personal soapbox and
> > > virtually morphed it into a blog in the process.
> > > [...]
>
> > > Jim, you have hit the nail on the head. TM is worse than a troll. He is
> > > blogger at the expense of the newsgroup. I just delete all of his posts and
> > > never read them, unless I see a response from someone I know. TM is a
> > > complete waste of one's time and he is a poor crazy bastard besides. Fuck
> > > him all the way to Hell and back!
>
> > I made two minor corrections to the quoted text. Truth be told, I
> > could have just as easily made the same observation of you at one
> > time, but TM has since surpassed you in the hijacking of the
> > newsgroup. Apparently, TM uncontrollably is driven to be heard and
> > has found the ideal medium for that purpose .. an unmonitored forum
> > that he can SPAM with his personal philosophy regarding any and every
> > topic of his own choosing. The name for the newsgroup should be
> > changed to alt.TM.soapbox. Averaging more that 1600 post per month
> > since the beginning of the year with 9 days still remaining in June.
> > At some time in the future, you may be in danger of being eclipsed as
> > the most prolific poster.
>
> What's the Guinness world record anyway?

At last count, I believe 32,930. Ed can you confirm?

> I really don't spend that much time trying to inundate you with my
> posts, just that this the recycling place (or dumping ground, if you
> will) for other groups where I'm very much welcome.
>
> As you may have noticed my subjects are God, bicycles, traffic,
> monkeys, and lately hammocks and birds.
>
> But if you think about it, I provide the only hope for bicycles being
> mainstream in America or at least in the Third World.
>
> By the way, did you ever think of the Eagle being a predator that
> leaves no room for the small intelligent birds, such as the parakeets?
> (mine are sooo cute)
>
> "Who can not notice the similarity to Rome's imperial eagle (above),
> nor the message of imperialism that the classic American eagle now
> suggests?"
>
> http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/eagles.html

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

We are discussing here the guy who tried to slow down Rome with his
ass...

On Jun 23, 12:38 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As Jesus was passing through the gate into Jerusalem, Pontius
> Pilates's chariot was right behind him, and a big cart full of pottery
> was coming out. Jesus took the lane with his donkey to prevent an
> accident. Pilate took it the wrong way, and offered 30 pieces of
> silver for information leading to the crucifixion of the jerk on the
> donkey who blocked his way.

Jesus wouldn't have survived long in today's traffic with his SLOW
ways...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU

I always wonder why he didn't choose to ride something more romantic
and faster such as the magic carpet.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:37 am
From: JimmyMac

On Jun 22, 5:13 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 11:23 am, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From my own personal experience, I would have to concur with the
> > validity of your observations, but your focus is one of a myopic
> > visionary. IN the greater scheme of things, global Americanization is
> > pretty much yesterday's news and Americanization is far less of a
> > danger to the world than is the next alternative wave of "ization"
> > poised to replace it ... Islamization. Islam is diametrically opposed
> > the values that are the very foundation of Western civilization ...
> > humanism, Christianity, Greco-Roman culture and, most important of
> > all liberty.
>
> They don't have the money, they don't have SUVs, they don't have Gated
> Communities, they don't the military might, they don't have a viable
> way of life for the West and they don't have Hollywood to make the
> kids behave in a certain pattern (usually violent).
>
> By far we are the problem. Add to the above the threat our predatory
> ways represent to the environment.

Well, for the most part you are right, but if you checked out the
links I provided, you should realize that what they do have is an
agenda and immigration, reproduction and peaceful infiltration can
transform Europe into Eurarabia in a matter of a few decades with the
United States of Arabia not far behind. They don't have Hollywood?
With satellite TV and DVDs, Hollywood is at least feasible.
Regardless, brainwashing of children at an early age breeds more than
a Hollywood pattern of violence. It breeds hate and terrorism. You
underestimate the threat that Islam and the Muslim poses. Western
globalization pails in comparison.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:45 am
From: JimmyMac

On Jun 22, 5:29 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2667521a-ecad-44ea-b6fe-df4ecda3d498@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 21, 5:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:67208847-37d6-46db-a6af-f7577deb44ef@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > [...]
>
> > TIBETAN MONKEY ... you are obviously a bright guy but one who
> > seemingly has too much time on his hands. You apparently believe it is
> > your imperative to enlighten the readership. To such ends, you
> > hijacked this newsgroup to serve as your own personal soapbox and
> > virtually morphed it into a blog in the process.
> > [...]
>
> > Jim, you have hit the nail on the head. TM is worse than a troll. He is
> > blogger at the expense of the newsgroup. I just delete all of his posts
> > and
> > never read them, unless I see a response from someone I know. TM is a
> > complete waste of one's time and he is a poor crazy bastard besides. Fuck
> > him all the way to Hell and back!
> >> I made two minor corrections to the quoted text. Truth be told, I
>
> could have just as easily made the same observation of you at one
> time, but TM has since surpassed you in the hijacking of the
> newsgroup. Apparently, TM uncontrollably is driven to be heard and
> has found the ideal medium for that purpose ... an unmonitored forum
> that he can SPAM with his personal philosophy regarding any and every
> topic of his own choosing. The name for the newsgroup should be
> changed to alt.TM.soapbox. Averaging more that 1600 posts per month
> since the beginning of the year with 9 days still remaining in June.
> At some time in the future, you may be in danger of being eclipsed as
> the most prolific poster.
>
> TM is just writing to himself. No one with any brains will ever respond to
> him. That is because he is a poor crazy bastard and that is all he is.

Thanks for insulting me. I case you have not taken note, you have
responded to TM as well,

> My posts cannot be compared to any others, not even to Tom Sherman's. Mr.
> Sherman has become nothing but a quipster. His posts never amount to much.
> On the other hand, my posts are always responsive and contain content as
> well as wit. Bottom line ... there is no substitute for intelligence.
> Writing ability also counts, but in the end it is intelligence that matters.

Don't know what Tom Sherman has to do with any of this. Note sure
either why you felt compelled to add your self-aggrandizing
editorial. Maybe because no one other that Mike Vandeman would do it
for you and he's in jail at the moment???
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:51 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 23, 1:37 pm, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 5:13 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 11:23 am, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > From my own personal experience, I would have to concur with the
> > > validity of your observations, but your focus is one of a myopic
> > > visionary. IN the greater scheme of things, global Americanization is
> > > pretty much yesterday's news and Americanization is far less of a
> > > danger to the world than is the next alternative wave of "ization"
> > > poised to replace it ... Islamization. Islam is diametrically opposed
> > > the values that are the very foundation of Western civilization ...
> > > humanism, Christianity, Greco-Roman culture and, most important of
> > > all liberty.
>
> > They don't have the money, they don't have SUVs, they don't have Gated
> > Communities, they don't the military might, they don't have a viable
> > way of life for the West and they don't have Hollywood to make the
> > kids behave in a certain pattern (usually violent).
>
> > By far we are the problem. Add to the above the threat our predatory
> > ways represent to the environment.
>
> Well, for the most part you are right, but if you checked out the
> links I provided, you should realize that what they do have is an
> agenda and immigration, reproduction and peaceful infiltration can
> transform Europe into Eurarabia in a matter of a few decades with the
> United States of Arabia not far behind. They don't have Hollywood?
> With satellite TV and DVDs, Hollywood is at least feasible.
> Regardless, brainwashing of children at an early age breeds more than
> a Hollywood pattern of violence. It breeds hate and terrorism. You
> underestimate the threat that Islam and the Muslim poses. Western
> globalization pails in comparison.

The only thing that compares to Hollywood is Bollywood...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollywood

But I don't think they promote a suicidal vision of the world. We
however breeds terrorists without a cause (other than money)...

"16 killed in El Salvador bus attacks"
Street gangs shoot passengers on one bus and set another vehicle on
fire in San Salvador. The attacks mark a surge in street violence from
gangs and drug traffickers, officials say.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/21/world/la-fg-salvador-bus-20100622

Nasty, right?

This gang culture and violence is exported from Los Angeles and
glorified by Hollywood and the music industry, people who for the most
part live in Gated Communities.

***

I however do NOT endorse immigration to solve the problems of the
world. The solution is fixing the Third World with new fresh
approaches. I contend that most immigrants leave their countries
looking for security, though they may have the wrong idea of the West.

Let me ask you, how do we solve Haiti's problem, and how we can keep
them from all rushing to America?

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:56 am
From: JimmyMac

On Jun 22, 10:57 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 8:36 pm, Ghod Dhammit <g...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6/22/2010 5:16 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> > Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > > On Jun 21, 11:23 am, JimmyMac<jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> From my own personal experience, I would have to concur with the
> > >> validity of your observations, but your focus is one of a myopic
> > >> visionary. In the greater scheme of things, global Americanization is
> > >> pretty much yesterday's news and Americanization is far less of a
> > >> danger to the world than is the next alternative wave of "ization"
> > >> poised to replace it ... Islamization. Islam is diametrically opposed
> > >> the values that are the very foundation of Western civilization ...
> > >> humanism, Christianity, Greco-Roman culture and, most important of
> > >> all< liberty.
>
> > Wow, I never knew the Romans had baby seats & carriages.

Funny, but let's not confuse technology with culture.

> > > They don't have the money, they don't have SUVs, they don't have Gated
> > > Communities, they don't the military might, they don't have a viable
> > > way of life for the West and they don't have Hollywood to make the
> > > kids behave in a certain pattern (usually violent).
>
> > > By far we are the problem. Add to the above the threat our predatory
> > > ways represent to the environment.

I am not in favor of our predatory ways, but "we" may be "A" problem,
but we are not "THE" problem. Islam has an agenda. The Muslim rate
of immigration, reproduction and "peaceful" infiltration is
transforming Europe into Eurarabia in a matter of a few decades with
the United States of Arabia may not be far behind. Western
civilization as we know it is changing. Western globalization pails
in comparison to the threat of Islamization.

> > Who's "we"? The theists are more trouble than the rest of us....

Especially Allah!

> Yeah, I know it's them, but we are somehow included in the USA. We are
> totally paralyzed because they totally control the political landscape
> with their funny issues, like abortion and homosexuals.
>
> And we can't even ride a bike in their Darwinian roads.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 11:31 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 23, 1:56 pm, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 10:57 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 8:36 pm, Ghod Dhammit <g...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 6/22/2010 5:16 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > > > On Jun 21, 11:23 am, JimmyMac<jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> From my own personal experience, I would have to concur with the
> > > >> validity of your observations, but your focus is one of a myopic
> > > >> visionary. In the greater scheme of things, global Americanization is
> > > >> pretty much yesterday's news and Americanization is far less of a
> > > >> danger to the world than is the next alternative wave of "ization"
> > > >> poised to replace it ... Islamization. Islam is diametrically opposed
> > > >> the values that are the very foundation of Western civilization ...
> > > >> humanism, Christianity, Greco-Roman culture and, most important of
> > > >> all< liberty.
>
> > > Wow, I never knew the Romans had baby seats & carriages.
>
> Funny, but let's not confuse technology with culture.
>
> > > > They don't have the money, they don't have SUVs, they don't have Gated
> > > > Communities, they don't the military might, they don't have a viable
> > > > way of life for the West and they don't have Hollywood to make the
> > > > kids behave in a certain pattern (usually violent).
>
> > > > By far we are the problem. Add to the above the threat our predatory
> > > > ways represent to the environment.
>
> I am not in favor of our predatory ways, but "we" may be "A" problem,
> but we are not "THE" problem. Islam has an agenda. The Muslim rate
> of immigration, reproduction and "peaceful" infiltration is
> transforming Europe into Eurarabia in a matter of a few decades with
> the United States of Arabia may not be far behind. Western
> civilization as we know it is changing. Western globalization pails
> in comparison to the threat of Islamization.
>
> > > Who's "we"? The theists are more trouble than the rest of us....
>
> Especially Allah!

Maybe Allah is their "savior" from the Christian culture. Maybe if we
put our Christians back in the cage, they'll feel inclined to do the
same.

France has 10% of Muslims... Is that something to worry about? For the
most part it isn't.

Anyway immigration is a problem for all Third World countries. There
are Americans in France and they are not a problem the way the
hardcore Christian-Republicans would be.

In all likelihood American immigrants would be looking for some fun
driving and safer roads!

"during my time in France, I have not seen, let alone been in, any
accidents, and if you think about it, if all French drivers are crazy
then they aren't crazy, they are normal! ...

Most French cars are small by Americans standards...

Cities can be the worst; it seems you always get in front of someone
who will not let you go a kilometer under the speed limit without
honking."

http://www.americansinfrance.net/Driving/GeneralThoughts.cfm

It all sounds to me like safe and fun.

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