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TOPIC: Mice show we can substitute drugs for exercise
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:30 pm
From: Jack

On Jul 9, 2:46 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 1:19 pm, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 1:05 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 9, 9:57 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 8, 4:07 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 8, 1:16 pm, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 8, 11:35 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > > > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 8, 11:05 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 9:23 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > > > > > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 9:20 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The findings, say the researchers, lend support to the
> > > > > > > > > > > addictive nature of exercise in some animals."
>
> > > > > > > > > > This explains why I went running in 95 degree weather. And I liked
> > > > > > > > > > it.
>
> > > > > > > > > Me too. Last year I'd ride bike in those temperatures. Actually it's
> > > > > > > > > way cooler than running, having that breeze at over 10mph.
>
> > > > > > > > Yes riding a bike is sort of like flying. One of the greatest human
> > > > > > > > inventions. Far superior to the automobile.
>
> > > > > > > > I fixed up a friend's bike over the weekend. She was feeling
> > > > > > > > reclusive and would stay in her apartment for days. So we went for a
> > > > > > > > ride and she perked right up and was saying Whee! I can't believe I'm
> > > > > > > > exercising and I like it! The bicycle is like a magic machine.
>
> > > > > > > It is, just like a well oiled spinning wheel. I put some WD40 on the
> > > > > > > grinding mice wheel, and now it runs smoothly.
>
> > > > > > > We only need the SPACE to fly.
>
> > > > > > > Look at the map the road between South Beach and Hollywood Beach,
> > > > > > > Florida, some 15 miles. When you overheat, you take a plunge at the
> > > > > > > beach. It sounds like Paradise, but you'll be reminded how GRINDING
> > > > > > > riding a bike with 40-50 mph traffic can be. No oil can fix that. ;)
>
> > > > > > Illegitimi non carborundum
>
> > > > > I know, but the bastards still blow the horn at you and push you
> > > > > around. Not even a Wise Monkey can take that forever...
>
> > > > >http://www.happytreefans.fr/happytreefriends.php?htf=56
>
> > > > Why would a Wise Monkey want to take that forever, even if he could?
> > > > There are no cars or cares in the woods on a mountain bike.
>
> > > I don't know. I don't expect it to go on forever. But I do have some
> > > escape route by kayak, desert island and all. Not on weekends though
> > > when the crowd is out there in "motorboat rampage."
>
> > > But if I'm happy the fire of the revolution won't be fueled by the
> > > energy of injustice and waste.
>
> > > We can really make it happen. All we really need to do is TAKE THE
> > > LANE in a coordinated way, and let the cars pass you one ANOTHER LANE.
> > > Come what may.
>
> > > We have a mixed path around here (meaning you can hit a dog or a kid
> > > with your bike) that goes for something like a mile. It probably cost
> > > way more than a million bucks (maybe two or three), and the
> > > maintenance of two security guards, landscaping and lamps every
> > > 10' (that blinds your sight) alone would be enough to do something
> > > separate and meaningful for all. And it's totally deserted at night!
> > > The problem is the fancy people who walk their fancy dogs are happy
> > > with it. That's what the workers I've confronted reply to me: "People
> > > are happy with it."
>
> > > And now they are waiting for Obama's money to expand it.
>
> > It's amazing what people think they need.
>
> > I've never appreciated unshaded lamps at night. Do we really need to
> > cast light on bats? on clouds? directly into our eyeballs?
>
> > Hell, if I want to ride at night I just strap a little LED to my head
> > and the ground is lighted everywhere I look.
>
> Not only that, I imagine that I died and have entered the lighted path
> people say we find in the afterlife. ;)

No not yet, not yet!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:37 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 9, 3:30 pm, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 2:46 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 1:19 pm, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 9, 1:05 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 9, 9:57 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 8, 4:07 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 8, 1:16 pm, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 8, 11:35 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > > > > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 11:05 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 9:23 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > > > > > > > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 9:20 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The findings, say the researchers, lend support to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > addictive nature of exercise in some animals."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I went running in 95 degree weather. And I liked
> > > > > > > > > > > it.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Me too. Last year I'd ride bike in those temperatures. Actually it's
> > > > > > > > > > way cooler than running, having that breeze at over 10mph.
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes riding a bike is sort of like flying. One of the greatest human
> > > > > > > > > inventions. Far superior to the automobile.
>
> > > > > > > > > I fixed up a friend's bike over the weekend. She was feeling
> > > > > > > > > reclusive and would stay in her apartment for days. So we went for a
> > > > > > > > > ride and she perked right up and was saying Whee! I can't believe I'm
> > > > > > > > > exercising and I like it! The bicycle is like a magic machine.
>
> > > > > > > > It is, just like a well oiled spinning wheel. I put some WD40 on the
> > > > > > > > grinding mice wheel, and now it runs smoothly.
>
> > > > > > > > We only need the SPACE to fly.
>
> > > > > > > > Look at the map the road between South Beach and Hollywood Beach,
> > > > > > > > Florida, some 15 miles. When you overheat, you take a plunge at the
> > > > > > > > beach. It sounds like Paradise, but you'll be reminded how GRINDING
> > > > > > > > riding a bike with 40-50 mph traffic can be. No oil can fix that. ;)
>
> > > > > > > Illegitimi non carborundum
>
> > > > > > I know, but the bastards still blow the horn at you and push you
> > > > > > around. Not even a Wise Monkey can take that forever...
>
> > > > > >http://www.happytreefans.fr/happytreefriends.php?htf=56
>
> > > > > Why would a Wise Monkey want to take that forever, even if he could?
> > > > > There are no cars or cares in the woods on a mountain bike.
>
> > > > I don't know. I don't expect it to go on forever. But I do have some
> > > > escape route by kayak, desert island and all. Not on weekends though
> > > > when the crowd is out there in "motorboat rampage."
>
> > > > But if I'm happy the fire of the revolution won't be fueled by the
> > > > energy of injustice and waste.
>
> > > > We can really make it happen. All we really need to do is TAKE THE
> > > > LANE in a coordinated way, and let the cars pass you one ANOTHER LANE.
> > > > Come what may.
>
> > > > We have a mixed path around here (meaning you can hit a dog or a kid
> > > > with your bike) that goes for something like a mile. It probably cost
> > > > way more than a million bucks (maybe two or three), and the
> > > > maintenance of two security guards, landscaping and lamps every
> > > > 10' (that blinds your sight) alone would be enough to do something
> > > > separate and meaningful for all. And it's totally deserted at night!
> > > > The problem is the fancy people who walk their fancy dogs are happy
> > > > with it. That's what the workers I've confronted reply to me: "People
> > > > are happy with it."
>
> > > > And now they are waiting for Obama's money to expand it.
>
> > > It's amazing what people think they need.
>
> > > I've never appreciated unshaded lamps at night. Do we really need to
> > > cast light on bats? on clouds? directly into our eyeballs?
>
> > > Hell, if I want to ride at night I just strap a little LED to my head
> > > and the ground is lighted everywhere I look.
>
> > Not only that, I imagine that I died and have entered the lighted path
> > people say we find in the afterlife. ;)
>
> No not yet, not yet!

And to think those same lights blind you from enjoying the beautiful
ocean.

I just stay away.

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TOPIC: Poll: Only 33% of Americans support Obama's lawsuit against Arizona,
while 50% of Americans know that Obama is an idiot
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:33 pm
From: brad herschel

On Jul 9, 2:53 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/07/obamas-i...

Obama has been a wonderful catalyst. People are now getting involved
in active politics.

http://www.globalgulag.us/ Global Gulag

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 4:42 pm
From: Marcus Aurelius

Despite all of the extremely powerful interest groups that support
Obama on this issue, Obama's decision to sue Arizona is an significant
political error on his part. These powerful interest groups will,
also, face significant political retribution as a result of their
opposition to Arizona's attempt to control it's borders and to bring
law and order to the state. I, of course, adamantly support Arizona's
new law.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 6:10 pm
From: "Janie"

"Marcus Aurelius" <alexander26a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f19a607b-b6bd-43cc-8e22-127471fb260e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Despite all of the extremely powerful interest groups that support
> Obama on this issue, Obama's decision to sue Arizona is an significant
> political error on his part. These powerful interest groups will,
> also, face significant political retribution as a result of their
> opposition to Arizona's attempt to control it's borders and to bring
> law and order to the state. I, of course, adamantly support Arizona's
> new law.

I also support the new Arizona law. Send money to Jan Brewer at her website
to help fight the feds. You can print a form at the site to donate by
check/money order or can donate directly by credit card. Fox News says more
than $500,000 has been collected since the Federal Government announced
plans to sue Arizona. You don't need to send a big donation, even a few
dollars will help.

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TOPIC: Should we downsize our pets in order to be frugal?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:02 pm
From: Jim A

On 07/09/2010 08:10 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Jul 9, 3:03 pm, Jim A<j...@averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 07/09/2010 07:49 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>>
>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>>
>>> What you can do is:
>>
>>> a) Convince her of the need to get rid of the cat,
>>
>>> b) Feed the mice secretly.
>>
>> <g>
>>
>> My earlier suggestion that we keep a nice little garter snake didn't go
>> down too well.
>>
>> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride
>
> Have you told her the cat has no natural predators in an urban
> environment?

No. I think that would only sound like reassurance that this one will
probably be with us for at least another ten years.

> At least they should get rid of the feral cats, right? Has anyone
> thought that the cats are full of protein?

Apart from the odd flea and nematode, no I don't suppose so!

--
www.slowbicyclemovement.org - enjoy the ride

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:29 pm
From: Jeff Thies

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> It's no secret we live in a wasteful society of supersized cars/SUVs,
> supersized homes, too much lighting, too much junk food, and too big
> pets... Have you thought about the consequence of owning cat and dogs,
> particularly those dogs that look like a horse?
>
> Under the Wisdom of the Jungle (aka "the wise ways of the monks") it
> makes sense to have no pet at all, support the wildlife and become
> part of it. But for those of us who are forced to live in the cage
> (due to the dangers out there, aka "the jungle"), it makes all the
> sense in the world to have small pets such as parakeets and mice.

These aren't really pets you can get much enjoyment out of. They are
basically pets for people that can't have a real pet.

Jeff

>
> Your carbon footprint will be smaller, and so will be the shit left
> behind. Your pocket will be full of one dollar bills too. And they are
> so cute. I think they are a symbol of what we need to see in the world
> at large, don't you agree?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Pocket pets make sense in an overcrowded world"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:36 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 9, 4:29 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > It's no secret we live in a wasteful society of supersized cars/SUVs,
> > supersized homes, too much lighting, too much junk food, and too big
> > pets... Have you thought about the consequence of owning cat and dogs,
> > particularly those dogs that look like a horse?
>
> > Under the Wisdom of the Jungle (aka "the wise ways of the monks") it
> > makes sense to have no pet at all, support the wildlife and become
> > part of it. But for those of us who are forced to live in the cage
> > (due to the dangers out there, aka "the jungle"), it makes all the
> > sense in the world to have small pets such as parakeets and mice.
>
> These aren't really pets you can get much enjoyment out of. They are
> basically pets for people that can't have a real pet.

A "real pet"? That could only be a monkey, but he would also be like a
brother.

Parakeets and mice are pets for all occasions. I have my mice sleeping
next to my computer in the daytime while the parakeets are up and
viceversa.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 4:13 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 7/9/2010 4:36 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Jul 9, 4:29 pm, Jeff Thies<jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>>
>> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>>> It's no secret we live in a wasteful society of supersized cars/SUVs,
>>> supersized homes, too much lighting, too much junk food, and too big
>>> pets... Have you thought about the consequence of owning cat and dogs,
>>> particularly those dogs that look like a horse?
>>
>>> Under the Wisdom of the Jungle (aka "the wise ways of the monks") it
>>> makes sense to have no pet at all, support the wildlife and become
>>> part of it. But for those of us who are forced to live in the cage
>>> (due to the dangers out there, aka "the jungle"), it makes all the
>>> sense in the world to have small pets such as parakeets and mice.
>>
>> These aren't really pets you can get much enjoyment out of. They are
>> basically pets for people that can't have a real pet.
>
> A "real pet"? That could only be a monkey, but he would also be like a
> brother.
>
> Parakeets and mice are pets for all occasions. I have my mice sleeping
> next to my computer in the daytime while the parakeets are up and
> viceversa.
>
What do your mice and parakeet do for you? Do they have a practical
purpose? My dog (Lab) will pull the automatic pool vacuum out of the
water if I tell her to.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 4:51 pm
From: "Bill Sornson"

Hell, just ban 'em:

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15476512?nclick_check=1

(Google "san francisco pet ban" for a jillion or so more hits.)

BS (apparently not)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 10:09 pm
From: "James H."

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 19:46:57 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE wrote:
> Sounds like the shear key on the flywheel may have sheared..
> This will put the timing off.

That's exactly what happened. The flywheel "pin" was shaped like a Z (side
view) instead of a rectangle (I bought six new Briggs and Stratton flywheel
keys from Ace hardware and none look like a Z from the side.)

The hard part wasn't getting the flywheel off; it was figuring HOW to get
the flywheel off. Banging on the crankshaft and prying up on the flywheel
only served to break the plastic intake manifold in half, bending one of
its bolts and breaking the other one in half.

Success only came to me after I totally gave up on this crazy
bang-on-the-crankshaft-and-pry-the-flywheel method. When I finally realized
there were two untapped holes for a harmonic balancer puller, I simply
tapped them with a 1/4 x 20 tap, and voila! The flywheel pulled off with
ease using the flywheel puller.

Now I have to order a new plastic intake manifold, and pick up a set of
screw extractors to extract the broken intake-manifold bolt.

In hind sight, if you have a Briggs and Stratton engine (specifically the
Briggs and Stratton 123K02-0444-E1 engine), DO NOT pry up on the flywheel
and bang down on the crankshaft (what's that gonna do anyway, beside break
stuff). There's NOWHERE to pry except soft aluminum and plastic anyway.

Just use a harmonic balancer puller (after tapping the holes in the
flywheel left for this purpose). I wish I knew that when I started this
thread! :)

I do THANK EVERYONE for all your help; it was my first lawnmower repair in
my life! When the parts come in for the broken intake manifold, I hope it
will work again!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 10:31 pm
From: "James H."

On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:09:17 -0700, James H. wrote:
> Now I have to order a new plastic intake manifold, and pick up a set of
> screw extractors to extract the broken intake-manifold bolt.

I ordered a new intake manifold, busted when I followed the errant advice
to bang on the crankshaft and pry up on the flywheel.

Don't bang and pry!

Nothing is gonna happen except aluminum and plastic stuff under the engine
will break. The plastic part that broke is #50 (intake manifold, Sears PN
497465) and #54 (intake manifold screw) on page 36 of this 40-page pdf.
http://www.managemylife.com/mmh/lis_pdf/OWNM/L0505023.pdf
http://www.hammerwall.com/Download_Manual/14875/
http://tinyurl.com/32mzm2n

If you ever have to remove a flywheel like the one in my Craftsman 21" push
mower 917.388853 with a Briggs and Stratton 6.5HP 123K02-0444-E1 engine,
simply tap the two holes in the flywheel with a 1/4 x 20 tap, and use a
harmonic balancer puller and voila, the flywheel will come off.

Resist the tempatation to pry (you'll only break stuff) and bang on the
crankshaft (what's that gonna do anyway; the crankshaft isn't going to move
down?????).

When I pick up a screw extractor set, I'll remove the broken bolt; and when
the new intake manifold arrives, we'll put it all back together (with the
new crankshaft pin) and cross our fingers.

Thanks for all your advice; you guys are wonderful!

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TOPIC: Do you bother to sharpen your lawn mower blade? Why?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/deef6705d040fb42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 10:25 pm
From: "James H."

On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:13:00 -0700, James H. wrote:
> Do you bother to sharpen your blade? Why?

To follow up on this thread, I learned a lot, summarized as:
- It cuts better when/if you sharpen the blade
- Sharpen the blade off the lawnmower; balance it before putting it back

In the end, I bought a new blade from Sears ($15) but only because I was
also ordering a new plastic intake manifold and screws which were snapped
in half by my idiotic attempt at prying up the flywheel while banging down
on the crankshaft. NEVER DO THAT!

Nothing is gonna happen except aluminum and plastic stuff under the engine
will break. The part that broke is #50 (intake manifold, Sears PN 497465)
and #54 (intake manifold screw) on page 36 of this 40-page pdf (half of
which is in Spanish).
http://www.managemylife.com/mmh/lis_pdf/OWNM/L0505023.pdf
http://www.hammerwall.com/Download_Manual/14875/
http://tinyurl.com/32mzm2n

Resist the tempatation to pry (you'll only break stuff) and bang on the
crankshaft (what's that gonna do anyway; the crankshaft isn't going to move
down?????).

When I pick up a screw extractor set, I'll remove the broken bolt; and when
the new intake manifold arrives, it will come with a new blade which will
solve my dilemma once and for all!

Thanks for all your advice; you guys are wonderful!

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TOPIC: Improvising a lawnmower gas cap
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/72154c4d2a2a6122?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 10:38 pm
From: "James H."

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:09:32 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

> there have been enough folks down this path before to make
> it profitable for someone to carry replacements.<g>

My Craftsman 917.388853 6.5 HP 21" push mower (Consumer Reports Best Buy in
2005) came with this "fancy" gas cap that supposedly "preserved the gas".

After a couple of seasons, the fancy gas-preserving cap couldn't preserve
itself, and it broke into pieces. I just put a gas-can cap on. It fit. But
the engine kept quitting after a while. So I loosened it up when I was
cutting the lawn.

I'm curious WHAT is the difference between a gas-can cap and a lawn mower
gasoline tank cap? (The threads are the same.)

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