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* Where to find outdoor bathrobe hooks (brass? bronze?) for a good price? - 9
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1984ffe084370104?hl=en
* The Americanization of the World - 1 messages, 1 author
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* IR home leak imaging - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Technical Analysis Software (TOP 30 - July 2010) - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Doppler Flow Meters - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Please recommend a dehumidifier - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Where to find outdoor bathrobe hooks (brass? bronze?) for a good price?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1984ffe084370104?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 4 2010 11:44 pm
From: DD_BobK
On Jul 4, 2:29 pm, Judy Zappacosta <zappajNOS...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid> wrote:
> I would like a dozen outdoor bathrobe hooks but all the ones I found were
> either cheap plated hooks or very expensive designer brass or bronze
> designs.
>
> The hooks would be arranged on a dozen foot-wide square wooden posts which
> ring a small pool.
>
> Do you know of a simple relatively inexpensive outdoor hook supplier and
> what material would you suggest (brass? bronze? aluminum?)
>
> I don't need anything fancy but it needs to be outdoor quality.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-hooks/=7tom9l
a decent set of choices for less than $5 each
Mcmaster also has stainless but they are more expensive.
cheers
Bob
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 6:45 am
From: "h"
"Jimbo" <wjje@moe.net> wrote in message
news:i0r4ld$l3j$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
> news:i0r2i8$3v7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> How about you make/carve/shape some out of pressure-treated wood? Then
>> use deck screws to put them up. Problem solved.
>
> Congratulations! You win the trailer trash suggestion of the year.
>
Huh? Since when are wooden hooks "trailer trash"? The indoor ones are quite
pricey at the Big Box stores. Yes, you would need to have decent woodworking
skills to make nice ones, but they would hold up very well. Oh, and PLONK!
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 8:21 am
From: Tony
hallerb@aol.com wrote:
> On Jul 4, 7:14 pm, "Jimbo" <w...@moe.net> wrote:
>> "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:i0r2i8$3v7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>>> How about you make/carve/shape some out of pressure-treated wood? Then
>>> use deck screws to put them up. Problem solved.
>> Congratulations! You win the trailer trash suggestion of the year.
>
> plastic hooks are availble too......
>
> or buy a cheap rass plated set on a wooden bar at a dollar store paint
> brass coating with cear acrylic..
>
> if its a kids pool they will probably last longer than the
> pool.........
Ever notice newer hooks don't normally have as sharp a hook on the end
as older ones? Stuff tends to fall off. I once took one of those cheap
brass finish hooks to the garage to heat it up and give it more of a
hook. Failure didn't take long at all. With just propane it quickly
melted and half of it hit the floor. Damn, pot metal!
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 8:29 am
From: Tony
D. Ohl wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 17:07:03 -0500, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> A lot of these are zinc. While zinc doesn't rust it's not much better.
>> Aluminum isn't much better either.
>
> You can get simple stainless steel outdoor hooks here for only $78 dollars
> each here http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=9716
>
> SUG-DS-H-50 Sugatsune Stainless Steel 2-3/4" (70mm) Utility Hook
>
> You might get free shipping if you order a dozen or more at a time and talk
> nice to them when you call (about $900 dollars for the set though so
> they're a bit pricey otherwise).
No, no, no. You talk about the small mansion you are building and ask
for 5 or 6 samples. I did that once for some electronic parts...
actually they did it to me! I told them what I was working on and
wanted to use a certain custom IC they made. They offered me samples
and asked how many I would need. Not being too greedy I asked for 5 or
so, they would have cost me about $85 a piece.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 8:42 am
From: LM
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:29:32 -0400, Tony wrote:
>> You can get simple stainless steel outdoor hooks here for only $78 dollars
>> each here http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=9716
> You talk about the small mansion you are building and ask
> for 5 or 6 samples.
I thought that 80 dollar price for one simple ss coat hook was a joke until
I looked up the link and saw it's true.
Can they really cost 80 bucks for a simple stainless steel coat hook?
What's it made out of anyway? Gold?
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 9:08 am
From: Tony
LM wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:29:32 -0400, Tony wrote:
>
>>> You can get simple stainless steel outdoor hooks here for only $78 dollars
>>> each here http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=9716
>> You talk about the small mansion you are building and ask
>> for 5 or 6 samples.
>
> I thought that 80 dollar price for one simple ss coat hook was a joke until
> I looked up the link and saw it's true.
>
> Can they really cost 80 bucks for a simple stainless steel coat hook?
>
> What's it made out of anyway? Gold?
No, "Stainless Gold"! ;-) Actually the only thing I saw that made it
very different is they mount from above (vertically?) Still not worth
the cost, but different.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 9:27 am
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"
On Jul 5, 11:08 am, Tony <tony.mik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> LM wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:29:32 -0400, Tony wrote:
>
> >>> You can get simple stainless steel outdoor hooks here for only $78 dollars
> >>> each herehttp://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=9716
> >> You talk about the small mansion you are building and ask
> >> for 5 or 6 samples.
>
> > I thought that 80 dollar price for one simple ss coat hook was a joke until
> > I looked up the link and saw it's true.
>
> > Can they really cost 80 bucks for a simple stainless steel coat hook?
>
> > What's it made out of anyway? Gold?
>
> No, "Stainless Gold"! ;-) Actually the only thing I saw that made it
> very different is they mount from above (vertically?) Still not worth
> the cost, but different.
They also supply stuff to the US Govt space progeam<G>
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 4:06 pm
From: "Steve B"
I suggest you go to rec.crafts.metalworking or sci.engr.joining-welding and
see if someone there might be willing to whip you some up. Priority Mail
flat rate would be about $8. If you end up with a blank wall, contact me
again here, and I'll see if I can squeeze you in.
Steve
visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book
"Judy Zappacosta" <zappajNOSPAM@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote
in message news:c8ac07b91db74cc5d377f20b525da630@tioat.net...
>I would like a dozen outdoor bathrobe hooks but all the ones I found were
> either cheap plated hooks or very expensive designer brass or bronze
> designs.
>
> The hooks would be arranged on a dozen foot-wide square wooden posts which
> ring a small pool.
>
> Do you know of a simple relatively inexpensive outdoor hook supplier and
> what material would you suggest (brass? bronze? aluminum?)
>
> I don't need anything fancy but it needs to be outdoor quality.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 8:02 pm
From: "Steve B"
"Steve B" <pittmanpirate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r45ag7-lre.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>I suggest you go to rec.crafts.metalworking or sci.engr.joining-welding and
>see if someone there might be willing to whip you some up. Priority Mail
>flat rate would be about $8. If you end up with a blank wall, contact me
>again here, and I'll see if I can squeeze you in.
>
> Steve
You must understand that I am not referring to the $80 per copy stainless
steel varieties offered by some stores. These would just be steel, prone to
rust, normal everyday bathrobe hooks.
Anything you leave out in the weather 24/7 is subject to a new set of rules.
Steve
visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book
visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book
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TOPIC: The Americanization of the World
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6f48285144a7baef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 9:26 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jul 5, 2:27 am, Brother Nate <bron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> History definitely includes some shameful things about how
> drug policy has evolved. I'm not here to dispute the existence
> of that baggage. What I *do* stand by is that even in the
> pre-prohibition days when it was legal for apothecaries to
> sell opiate medicines to stop babies from crying, it was a
> horrible idea to use opium for that purpose, and it makes
> sense for government to step in and insist that we try to
> diagnose *why* a kid is crying and not just drug them into
> silence.
We agree on many respects, Brother, but not on this one. Not that we
should give opiate to kids, but that the government really cares about
the welfare of kids...
We are making addicts out of kids as we speak. Millions of them,
making them die a slow painful death, and sometimes even making it
difficult for them to get healthcare, again with the full support of
the Christians.
I'm talking about the biggest addiction in America: JUNK FOOD
compounded with LAZY LIFESTYLE. In Scandinavia and the UK, they
regulate that, but not here. Congress even moved to prevent lawsuits
against the junk food industry, and now it is banned without further
explanation.
Talking about STUPIDITY, my little mouse knows he must be spin the
wheel to be healthy. But the Christians go to church and then go
shopping. They seat and watch TV --certainly not Animal Planet-- and
grow fat.
And they feel real proud of their wars everywhere. Surely they will
win before the end of the world, which is coming soon anyway. So who
cares?
By the way, my little mouse is always looking for a mental challenge,
you know what I mean? ;)
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TOPIC: IR home leak imaging
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a1d0ec1678a5ff3d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 10:13 am
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Thanks. The idea is to throw water and see where it goes.
Insulation damage is insulation dmamage, water or wind.
I called the expert, who I respect a lot, and he basically offered to
look at it at his hourly rate. His expertise is probably worth more
than the equipment, but I have to compare that cost to the cost of
just adding a new layer of siding (with energy stimulus). And,worse
of all, I have a co-owner who is reluctant to do anything.
- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 12:34 pm
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"
On Jul 5, 12:13 pm, vjp2...@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> Thanks. The idea is to throw water and see where it goes.
> Insulation damage is insulation dmamage, water or wind.
>
> I called the expert, who I respect a lot, and he basically offered to
> look at it at his hourly rate. His expertise is probably worth more
> than the equipment, but I have to compare that cost to the cost of
> just adding a new layer of siding (with energy stimulus). And,worse
> of all, I have a co-owner who is reluctant to do anything.
>
> - = -
> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
> http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]
How is water going to tell you where the leaks are. It will just
disappear into the house, not show up on IR imaging?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 1:42 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
What about a dye that is colorful when wet and white when dry, so it
could detect leaks in wallks and even grout because the leak stays wet
longer than the rest?
That cool IR cam Rich posted really got my engineering interest alerted!
PS, water keeps a leak damp and has a different temperature signature
than the rest of the wall. But that is why a day and night IR picture
helps track the different temperature changes.
In <e12236pavip9h2nuud3usnpip1uskbvk53@4ax.com> by Rich Webb
<bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> on Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:18:56 -0400 we
perused:
*+-On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 21:32:46 +0000 (UTC),
*+-vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
*+->
*+->I knew someone who got some used fancy oilfield devices and imaged
*+->houses to find leaks using not only infrared but some pretty fancy
*+->math to compare how the images changed as the temperature changed
*+->during the day to night cycle. I gotta wonder if this has advanced
*+->much in the decade since.
*+-Well, the cost of the imagers has come down. The Extech/FLIR line has
*+-one below $2K now. I keep trying to come up with a good enough excuse to
*+-get one ...
*+-http://www.tequipment.net/ExtechI5.html
- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]
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TOPIC: Technical Analysis Software (TOP 30 - July 2010)
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TOPIC: Doppler Flow Meters
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 7:03 pm
From: "Some@Guy"
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> you can undertsand why I was hoping for a cheap doppler meter
> to track liquid flow noninvasively inside piper using sound waves.
> I recently got a ten dollar sonic stud finder, and suspect the
> only reason this device can't track flow is software and not
> hardware. Are we likely to see home doppler meters any time soon?
No.
There are industrial flow meter solutions (doppler, transit-time,
mechanical, etc).
There is no demand for a home version.
I'm some-what inclined to do home automation, and the only thing I would
do along those lines would be to install a mechanical flow meter where
my main water line enters the house. I'd only be interested in total
water flow, not the flow to individual branches (bathrooms, sinks,
toilets, etc). I'd probably install a pressure and temperature sensor
at my main water supply point first before I'd ever install a flow
sensor.
Mechanical flow meters are also known as turbines and rotometers.
Here's some examples:
http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=FTB690&Nav=gref02
http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=ftb8000b&Nav=gref02
I've worked with doppler and transit-time flow meters used to measure
blood flow in biomedical applications, so I know how they work and why
they are the preferred tool to measure blood flow in arteries in living
subjects. But for home water consumption, I wouldn't go with
ultrasonic.
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TOPIC: Please recommend a dehumidifier
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4a80db63fe74e4a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 8:19 pm
From: "david7gable@aol.com"
What are the best dehumidifiers? How effective are the small and
inexpensive ones? THANKS!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 11:31 pm
From: "h"
<david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2d9e049e-b04f-47f2-af6a-0d75166ee8b0@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> What are the best dehumidifiers? How effective are the small and
> inexpensive ones? THANKS!
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/heating-cooling-and-air/dehumidifiers/index.htm
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TOPIC: Stupid Scam
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 5 2010 11:31 pm
From: "friesian@zoocrewphoto.com"
On Jul 4, 11:38 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> fries...@zoocrewphoto.com wrote:
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Then use an account in a bank that you only use for that sort of
> >> thing, and just close it after you get the cash and want to protect
> >> yourself against it bouncing later. Thats then the bank's problem.
> >> Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
> > Don't you know that the bank can still go after you?
>
> Not if they cant identify you they cant.
>
And how do you open an account at a bank without them being able to
identify you? You suggested above that we open an account, cash the
check, and close the account. I don't know of any bank that will open
an account without valid ID.
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