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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:27 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, "_ MARK ORTIZ AUTOMOTIVE"
<markortiza...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I live in a semi-rural area, just outside of a small town that is becoming
> an outer-ring bedroom community of a metropolis. I have a part-time job 21
> miles from where I live. I do almost all of my commuting and shopping by
> bicycle, even though I have two cars. I expect to get about 4,000 miles of
> transportation bicycling this year, and put about 1,000 miles on my cars.
>
> Is this excessive mileage? Not for me. I'm looking good to reach 10,000
> bike miles this year. As a stretch goal, I might have a shot at 12,000. I
> will get the extra 6 to 8 thousand by just going out and doing training
> loops in the country.
>
> I'm 60 years old, and have a bad leg.

Praise may be laid upon you!
>
> There are no bike lanes on any of the roads I will use to do this, except
> for a few silly ones on-campus at UNC Charlotte, where all the roads have a
> 20mph speed limit. I won't need to monopolize a car-width travel lane,
> either. I will be passed thousands of times by cars and trucks, sometimes
> in the same lane. I don't have any problem with any of this. All that will
> be necessary for me to complete all of this without getting hurt is for all
> concerned to pay minimal attention to the task at hand, and steer.

Let me ask you: DO YOU TAKE THE LANE? Are you comfortable squeezing in
with a car in the same lane?

>
> The notion that high density, plus segregated facilities, is a necessary
> precondition to make transportation bicycling viable comes from people who
> put more energy into making excuses for not riding than they put into
> riding, and/or make money off promoting segregated facilities, and/or have
> cronies who do.

Once upon a time I thought bike lanes --well laid out the bike lanes--
could be the solution, but then I saw them popping up all over the
place WITHOUT CONNECTION, and realized they were counting miles, not
convenience or safety. They start in one place and disappear when you
least expect it. That's a mystery worth investigating. ;)
>
> In the US at least, when most transportation was muscle-driven, most people
> did not live in metropolises. They lived in small towns 10 to 20 miles
> apart, or on farms between those small towns. Not only is suburban sprawl a
> product of cheap fossil fuels and internal combustion engines, the
> urbanization that only briefly preceded suburbanization was too - for
> urbanization was the product of the mechanization of agriculture.

But the SUV opened the last frontier, and we are almost coexisting
with the alligators of the Everglades. Here the great expansion
occurred in the last 30 years. Actually we are taking over the
agricultural land as most produce comes from abroad.

Everything comes from abroad.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 8:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 3, 5:36 am, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 8:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>
>
>
> > Once upon a time I thought bike lanes --well laid out the bike lanes--
>
> No such beast.

Oh yes, some could be well laid out for the uninitiated. Or for kids
or something. But that's only a Plan B, Plan A being TAKING THE LANE.

>
> > could be the solution, but then I saw them popping up all over the
> > place WITHOUT CONNECTION, and realized they were counting miles, not
> > convenience or safety. They start in one place and disappear when you
> > least expect it. That's a mystery worth investigating. ;)
>
> When bikelanes disappear - those are the good times. You aren't going to find me complaining about their disappearance.
>
> Kob

Yeah, why make them in the first place? Aren't you concerned about
Obama's money being dumped? ;)

Most mortals though stay away from roads without bike lanes, precisely
because they are mortal.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:11 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 3, 3:52 am, Kalle Mustonen <kalle.musto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Europe also can have, should have and does have better cycling than
> "Europe". Europe is not just the Amsterdam museum district you
> Americans love to frequent. Even Amsterdam is de facto just an
> arrondissement in conurbation Zaanstad, with Europe's busiest
> motorways connecting it to other "blocks" of the "town". It's true
> that some parts of Europe have shorter median home-to-work distances
> (or whatever) than other parts of Europe or US on the average. But
> that doesn't give warm feeling to those who live in the parts of
> Europe that have longer distances or those who have long distances in
> parts with short median distances. It might be politically effective
> for you to say that "European" style cycling suits the people in
> Europe, but thats wrong. "European" style of cycling suits only those
> people in Europe it suits and it would suit a number (much smaller
> than some parts of Europe) of people in US.

Trying to bring European cycling to America is like bringing an
European car to America... And yet some people insist on the very
best.

What a waste of car!

The fact that "European"
> style suits large share of people in some specific parts of Europe
> doesn't compensate for the fact it doesn't suit some people in those
> parts and and large share of people in other parts of Europe.

Well, you seem to agree with me. We may be different, and maybe better
by leaving the 3 spd Dutch bike home, and taking off in an aggressive
road bike, not long haul or "pro," just medium distance, say under 10
miles (that's 20 miles R/T).

Of course, we need SPACE. A bicycle needs space to be safe, even
taking into account that someone falls into traffic. A bike lane
barely cuts it, but it doesn't go everywhere. Notice there's no pure
system even in Paris where they started the program. Some people --
kids, families-- bike paths, not mixed paths like we find around here.
The latter adds aggravation and danger to other users.

So we need to TAKE THE LANE if bicycling is ever to take off.

>
> And what's up with calling it "European" style? Last time I checked,
> the light of proper cycling was brought to you by a Europen man, at
> time your culture was record deep in ignorance of proper cycling. The
> man himself has later concluded that his attempts have been like
> forcing a snake in to the barrel of the gun; trying to insert a
> component profoundly incompatible with your culture. Just take a look
> at your national cyclist organisation; fighting proper cycling like
> pest. Meanwhile back in Europe; UK goverment dept4Trans says that
> "bikeability level 3 will enable you to cycle anywhere in London".

I admit that our organizations are caught up in conflicts and
contradictions. Even the Florida Bicycle Association banned me a long
time ago because my comments could hurt those associated with the
Republican Party. Imagine, the party that wastes a fortune in war,
trying to bring nation building to America. ;)

Notice that my taming of the beast takes more than creating space for
bicycles, and deals with TAMING TRAFFIC, EASING OUR WAR ON DRUGS, etc,
which in turn could free funds for bike facilities.

>
> Mr Monkey, you're right that change has to start from the bottom, but
> you have not quite grasped what that means and in fact your
> suggestions are of opposite. Until the big payback comes (never), your
> society will give cyclists bad laws and bad intepretations of good or
> neutral laws.

You probably agree with me that "we have the best laws money can buy."
Traffic tickets are a milking cow and so are "accidents" and DUI's.
What can we do?

So asking society to do good to cyclist is not going to
> be any good. The change can start only within the cyclists and that
> means you. First you should quit being scared of traffic.

Who me, scared of traffic? Well, I'm just afraid of drivers with
overwhelming power to take me out.

That's not a good strategy for SURVIVAL IN THE JUNGLE. Actually there
are some Darwin Awards for those who die because of stupidity. Not me,
remember I'm wise... and I'm waiting for the new program to kick in,
September 15th.

You know
> what's antidote to being scared of traffic? You should also learn to
> make distinction between feeling of fear and actual danger. Always
> keep in mind the history and purpose of the fear. Learn to analyze the
> fear mongering writings like the ones you posted links to here;
> dissect them into componenets of fear and danger and learn how they
> work against you.

They are not fear mongering, but an attack on the jungle that keeps us
from enjoying life and fighting Climate Change.

The revolution is that cyclists will learn that
> cycling IS safe and quit being scared.

The revolution starts when there's coordination. A few people around
the world TAKING THE LANE is all it takes.

You should not ask motorists to
> give you the lane; motorists' view of cyclists is and will be that
> they are roadway obstacles that should be removed. Only cyclists have
> the cyclists view and is their job to nurture it. Motorists will
> accept cyclists using as much of the roadway they need, when they
> realize they can not do nothing about it. That's why you should be an
> overhelming force.

Again, the overwhelming force in numbers. We don't want bazookas. ;)

Ditch the buses and get on your leather hammock;
> FEEL the safety of riding properly like Keri's flip-flop guy; use as
> much of the roadway you need for safe and comfortable travel as if
> your name was Ken O'Brien.
>
> Kalle
> Europe

The leather hammock is missing in my collection. But I can always go
in search of the hunter-gatherer within me and go walking. WALK, WALK
UNTIL YOU DROP.

Thank you, European Man!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 10:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 3, 8:41 am, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> Begin forwarded message:

We are not going to let the cyclists at the mercy of the reckless
drivers who claim the road is theirs, right?

"Bike lane or full lane" is the deal we have for the drivers.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 11:40 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 3, 11:01 am, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 8:41 am, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > We are not going to let the cyclists at the mercy of the reckless
> > drivers
>
> Each and everyone of us who get near a public way in which a vehicle is being driven is at the mercy of reckless drivers.

You don't prefer the scraps to the full lane, do you? The problem with
"riding to the right/left" is that you don't have your "turf," and
conflict erupts. They blow the horn, they pass you within inches, THEY
IGNORE YOU...

Give me a full lane over half lane all the time.

>
> That's why we need to find them and then either fix them or remove them from the population of drivers.

That ain't happening in America. There's such a big industry around
the automobile that even an idiot can drive. LANE DISCIPLINE is the
first thing you need to change in America. Slow traffic on the
right... SAFER CYCLING.

>
> > who claim the road is theirs, right?
>
> No wrong. The truly reckless are too few in number (and their population numbers are at least to some degree self limiting) such that they don't have enough power to claim something as big and important as the system of public ways.

If you are talking about America they ain't that few...

'It's No Accident: The Real Story Behind Senseless Death and Injury on
Our Roads'

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/its-no-accident-the-real-story-behind-senseless-death-and-injury-on-our-roads/313110

Actually THEY ARE A MAJORITY, including those chatting on the phone
paying little attention to cyclists and pedestrians.
>
>
>
> > "Bike lane or full lane" is the deal we have for the drivers.
>
> Sorry. Not a deal I will be signing on to. The primary thing I need as a bicyclist is legal access to roadway portion of public ways.
>
> Ken

That's technical wording for having a fair share of the road? I'm all
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Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 1:25 pm
From: "Lord Vetinari"

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: A new Ferrari owner was stopped at a traffic signal next to an old man
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I prefer "Beep Beep", it's not quite the same, but funnier. Still, this
one's damned funny too.

: A man walks into a bank in New York City, and asks for a $3000 loan.
: The loan offiicer asks what the man's using for collateral, and his
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: for two weeks in New York for seventy-five bucks?"

I think the Ferrari dealership should've been left out...he obviously
could've parked there for free.

: And there's other good ones about Ronaldo wadding his up here:
:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/01/09/cristiano-ronaldo-ferrari-smash-jokes-flood-the-web-115875-21027894/

Good job! He seemed rather blasé, though, about wrecking a million bucks
worth of fine automobile.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 1:25 pm
From: "Lord Vetinari"

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c576795$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> A man walks into a bank in New York City, and asks for a $3000 loan.
>> The loan offiicer asks what the man's using for collateral, and his
>> eyes open wide when the customer sets down the keys to a brand new
>> Ferrari. The loan is immediately approved, and the officer is dreaming
>> of how he'll be promoted when this loan defaults. Two weeks later, the
>> man returns, pays the three grand and the $72.48 in interest, and asks
>> for his keys. "But..how?", asks the loan officer. The man replies,
>> "Well you see, I'm the owner of the Ferrari dealership here in the
>> City, and I had to go to Los Angeles on buisiness." "I still don't
>> understand", the banker said. "Why didn't you just garage it
>> somewhere?" The Ferrari dealer replied, "Where the hell could I park
>> for two weeks in New York for seventy-five bucks?"
>>
>
> This makes no sense to me. If he owns a Ferrari dealership, wouldn't he
> have a showroom or somewhere he could leave the car for 3 days?

*sigh* I should've looked for a response before posting. Dham.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:40 pm
From: panamfloyd@hotmail.com

On Aug 2, 8:49 pm, annily <ann...@annily.invalid> wrote:
> panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > A man walks into a bank in New York City, and asks for a $3000 loan.
> > The loan offiicer asks what the man's using for collateral, and his
> > eyes open wide when the customer sets down the keys to a brand new
> > Ferrari. The loan is immediately approved, and the officer is dreaming
> > of how he'll be promoted when this loan defaults. Two weeks later, the
> > man returns, pays the three grand and the $72.48 in interest, and asks
> > for his keys. "But..how?", asks the loan officer. The man replies,
> > "Well you see, I'm the owner of the Ferrari dealership here in the
> > City, and I had to go to Los Angeles on buisiness." "I still don't
> > understand", the banker said. "Why didn't you just garage it
> > somewhere?" The Ferrari dealer replied, "Where the hell could I park
> > for two weeks in New York for seventy-five bucks?"
>
> This makes no sense to me. If he owns a Ferrari dealership, wouldn't he
> have a showroom or somewhere he could leave the car for 3 days?

Good point. Maybe he was afraid someone on his talented staff would
sell the thing? <g>

-PF, Atl.
2015/KoB!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:43 pm
From: panamfloyd@hotmail.com

On Aug 3, 4:25 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@att.net> wrote:
> <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:25fbba9e-1f05-4861-87c2-b3e9d059f60a@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> [snip]
> : A new Ferrari owner was stopped at a traffic signal next to an old man
> : on a moped. "How fast *is* that thing?", the old man asked. "About
> : 370kph!" was the answer. "Eh, I think I'll keep my moped.", the old
> : man replied. So the new owner thought he'd show the old man something.
> : The light on the signal changed, and the Ferrari guy hit the throttle.
> : In three seconds, he was doing a hundred. But the old man was still in
> : his mirror! Undaunted, the driver bent his toe some more and was soon
> : doing 150! Stll, there was the old man on the moped, still in his
> : mirror. Now angry, the Ferrari pilot floored it. He looked up just as
> : the needle was sweeping past 300, and that cursed moped was still
> : there!! Giving up, the new owner backed out of it, and eventually
> : pulled to a stop. "What do I have to do to get a moped like *that*?"
> : he asked. The old man replied, "Well, you could start by unhooking my
> : suspender strap from your spoiler!"
>
> I prefer "Beep Beep", it's not quite the same, but funnier. Still, this
> one's damned funny too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4W7oZBhAJg

<g>

snippy

> : And there's other good ones about Ronaldo wadding his up here:
> :http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/01/09/cristiano-ronaldo...
>
> Good job! He seemed rather blasé, though, about wrecking a million bucks
> worth of fine automobile.

I guess he figures he's going to be playing forever..that seems to be
the case with a lot of pro athletes in the US, can't think of why real
footballers wouldn't do the same in Europe. ;)

-PF, Atl.
2015/KoB!

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:26 pm
From: "Nunya Bidnits"

I want to thank you bait sucking morons for contributing so nicely to my
killfile.

Get a clue, or pull the plug. Please.

<plonk>

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:54 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Any frugal ideas for a car cover to protect form the
sun and ice?

Please, no trees are available where I live

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

> Any frugal ideas for a car cover to protect form the sun and ice?

A decently designed car will survive fine with nothing special.

I'm not convinced that anything short of a full carport or garage helps much.

> Please, no trees are available where I live

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:08 pm
From: Jeff Thies

On 8/3/2010 6:54 PM, me@privacy.net wrote:
> Any frugal ideas for a car cover to protect form the
> sun and ice?

There's a good bit on the web on hoop greenhouses. PVC is cheap and the
shape is very strong. Whatever you cover it with can be cheap and
disposable, perhaps one of those "heavy duty" silver tarps:

http://www.tarpaflex.com/acatalog/Silver_White_Super_Heavy_Duty_Poly_Tarps.html

Otherwise car port. Galvanized roofing is cheap.

Jeff

>
> Please, no trees are available where I live

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:24 pm
From: Lenona

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/summer-must-read-for-kids-any-book/

Last 40% of article:

.........One of the most notable findings was that children improved
their reading scores even though they typically weren't selecting the
curriculum books or classics that teachers normally assigned for
summer reading. That conclusion confirms other studies suggesting that
children learn best when they are allowed to select their own books.

Surprisingly, the most popular book during the first year of the
Florida study was a biography of Britney Spears.

"What that said to me was that there is a kid culture and a media
culture that transcends what we think kids should be reading," Dr.
McGill-Franzen said. "I don't think the majority of these kids ever
read during the summer, but given the opportunity to select their own
books and discuss what they knew about, 'The Rock' or Hannah Montana
or Junie B. Jones was, in itself, motivating to them."

Ellen Galinsky, president of the Families and Work Institute and
author of a new book about how children learn, "Mind in the Making,"
said she hoped that the findings would encourage parents and teachers
to allow children to select their own reading material.

"A child's interests are a door into the room of reading," said Ms.
Galinsky, who said her own son turned away from books during grade
school. Because he liked music, she encouraged him to read music
magazines or books about musicians. Her son later regained an interest
in reading and has a Ph.D.

"If your child is turned off by reading, getting them to read anything
is better than nothing," she said.

But giving children a choice in the books they read is a message many
parents resist.

At a bookstore recently, Dr. McGill-Franzen said she witnessed an
exchange between some mothers encouraging their fifth- and sixth-grade
daughters to read biographies of historical figures, when the girls
wanted to select books about Hannah Montana, a character played by the
pop star Miley Cyrus.

"If those books get them into reading, that has great repercussions
for making them smarter," Dr. McGill-Franzen said. "Teachers and
middle-class parents undervalue kids' preferences, but I think we need
to give up being so uptight about children's choices in books."

(end)

There are well over 100 comments so far.

Call it a hunch, but I suspect that one reason the parents you see in
BOOKSTORES are so resistant to let kids pick and choose what to read
is the high cost of new books! (I buy maybe one brand-new book per
year - and that's usually for someone else.) If parents relied more on
libraries, thrift stores and free book exchanges (often at the local
recycling center), chances are there'd be fewer power struggles and
more focus on slowly cultivating an EVOLVING love of reading.

Lenona.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:07 pm
From: tripletask@gmail..com

On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:03:49 GMT, home@home. (ObamaNation=Abomination)
wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:55:15 +0200, "Ex-Obama Voter!" <elaine@mac.com>
>wrote:
>
>>INDIANAPOLIS — A 4-year-old boy fatally shot a 3-year-old girl
>>at a home on Indianapolis' west side Thursday, leading police to
>>arrest the girl's mammy sow on niglet neglect and drug charges
>>in what officers termed a very tragic incident.
>>
>>Fiona Lee, 26, faces one count of felony niglet neglect, along
>>with charges of possession of cocaine and possession of
>>marijuana, after police were called to the home in the 200 block
>>of North Sheffield Avenue just before 1 p.m.
>>
>>Investigators found that the shitlet, Aunesti Lee Allen, had
>>been shot in the head. (must have been using armor piercing
>>bullets).
>>
>>Indianapolis police Lt. Jeff Duhamell said that sow was upstairs
>>and that four turdlers were downstairs — three of them hers,
>>along with her buck's 4-year-old son.
>>
>>"She heard a shot, and she ran downstairs, and … the 4-year-old
>>… had picked up the gun and pointed it at the 3-year-old,
>>pulling the trigger," Duhamell said.
>>
>>The gun had been left unattended on a kitchen counter,
>>investigators said.
>>
>>"(The gun) was easily accessible to the turdlers," Duhamell
>>said. "The mother had walked by it several times, however did
>>not secure it."
>>
>>Neighbors told police that Lee came out of the house yelling for
>>help, saying that the girl had been shot.
>>
>>"She was screaming. She was out of her mind crying," said
>>neighbor Robert Tremblay. "She was losing it."
>>
>>The girl was rushed to Riley Hospital for Children and was
>>pronounced dead just after 4:30 p.m.
>>
>>"These niglets had been known to play … with play guns,"
>>Duhamell said. "He probably thought it was a play gun and pulled
>>the trigger."
>>
>>According to a police report, officers found marijuana cigarette
>>butts, along with a bag and a digital scale with cocaine
>>residue, prompting the drug charges.
>>
>>Police and Child Protective Services have yet to talk with the 4-
>>year-old shoota in an effort to determine intent.
>>
>Now that child has potential.
>
>A future junior crip in the making.
>
>Then a certifed thug.
>
>Then dead at 22.

"Well, ain't dat jis the shits!"

Uncle Remus

Little turds grow into big turds, take a gander:

http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:16 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 8:27 pm
From: VFW

In article
<01750e9c-d916-41c3-bdec-71f7d21947b4@v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Leave Afghanistan for nations that want to build nations other than
> their own. Some countries want to pacify Afghanistan, but then not
> even their backyard is secure. Mexico is sinking into chaos, and their
> own cities are walled for security.
>
> "Dutch become 1st NATO member to quit Afghanistan"
>
> KABUL, Afghanistan The Netherlands became the first NATO country to
> end its combat mission in Afghanistan, drawing the curtain Sunday on a
> four-year operation that was deeply unpopular at home and even brought
> down a Dutch government.
>
> ***
>
> The Dutch are busy building bike facilities for their citizens, and
> someday we may truly need them to do nation building based around the
> bicycle.
>
> "Bicycles Against Poverty (BAP) Project"
>
> http://www.dosomething.org/project/bicycle-against-poverty-bap-project
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Bicycle is the smart way to go to pacify the world"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

thanks for the good news. Others to follow?
--
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