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* Why America can have better bicycling than Europe - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* OT: Climate Change - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Why America can have better bicycling than Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/94722d9efbaa6d02?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 7:41 pm
From: Jens Müller
Am 03.08.2010 02:39, schrieb His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of
the Movement of Tantra-Hammock:
> Our curse could be our blessing. The sprawl that killed our
> communities may be an opportunity for a different kind of bicycling
> than Europe: FAST BIKING. Our streets are better and wider, so IF WE
> GET A TRAFFIC LANE we really could go places far and away.
Ah, like in Berlin. But what do you mean by "GET A TRAFFIC LANE"? Are
there no traffic lanes in your wide streets?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 8:14 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Aug 6, 7:41 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-03-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote:
> Am 03.08.2010 02:39, schrieb His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of
> the Movement of Tantra-Hammock:
>
> > Our curse could be our blessing. The sprawl that killed our
> > communities may be an opportunity for a different kind of bicycling
> > than Europe: FAST BIKING. Our streets are better and wider, so IF WE
> > GET A TRAFFIC LANE we really could go places far and away.
>
> Ah, like in Berlin. But what do you mean by "GET A TRAFFIC LANE"? Are
> there no traffic lanes in your wide streets?
Oh I meant TAKE THE LANE. There's no other solution for America where
SUVs are wider and bicycles are very low in the food chain (often
below cats and dogs).
What's the approach in Berlin?
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TOPIC: OT: Climate Change
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/644bf640f475d0c1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 8:45 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <i3ed9g$caq$1@news.albasani.net>,
Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
>that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
>CO2 in the atmosphere.
[ ... ]
Most disagree that there's any significant warming; real numbers (as
opposed to the manipulated ones from East Anglia) don't show it.
There is, however, no real evidence of human-caused warming. The sun
can easily (and is, at the moment) cause significant increases in the
earth's temperature.
> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
>ourselves?
Here's a Physics PHD with a Nobel Prize:
http://www.theamericanscholar.org/what-the-earth-knows/
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
If you want to reduce the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,
go plant trees.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 10:54 pm
From: "David Hare-Scott"
Gary Heston wrote:
> In article <i3ed9g$caq$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
>> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by
>> added CO2 in the atmosphere.
> [ ... ]
>
> Most disagree that there's any significant warming; real numbers (as
> opposed to the manipulated ones from East Anglia) don't show it.
>
Is this is your own invention or are quoting somebody? While the email
scandal was big political field day for contrarians (it proves it's all a
big conspiracy don't you know) it has nothing to do with the science.
> There is, however, no real evidence of human-caused warming. The sun
> can easily (and is, at the moment) cause significant increases in the
> earth's temperature.
>
That's odd you just got through saying "Most disagree that there's any
significant warming". Do you have any evidence for the sun being
responsible? Solar forcing has postulated as the cause of climate change
but the case has never been made satisfactorily.
>
>> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have
>> screwed ourselves?
>
> Here's a Physics PHD with a Nobel Prize:
>
> http://www.theamericanscholar.org/what-the-earth-knows/
>
>
This is a long and rambling article. It makes a number of sweeping
statements about climate and supports none of them with any calculations.
Do you have a simple take-home message from this tract that you think is
important? What is it? Where is the evidence for it?
David
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