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* Hot pot/Electric kettle - 1 messages, 1 author
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* SSN for Job Applications - 5 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Hot pot/Electric kettle
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/da96a3557c9d4c9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 4:43 pm
From: aesthete8
On Jul 13, 4:21 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am hoping to find one that makes really hot water.
>
> The hotter the better.
>
> Any recommendations?
Has anyone tried this Hamilton Beach Electric Kettle?:
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TOPIC: SSN for Job Applications
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/20cfbcd56071ad93?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 4:52 pm
From: "Annie Woughman"
"MAS" <mas@bbbb.net> wrote in message news:i3va3m$o4a$2@news.datemas.de...
> On 8/11/2010 9:19 AM, Napoleon wrote:
>> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>> instead.
>>
>> I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
>> after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
>> course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
>> illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
>> job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
>> sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
>> paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
>> to just anyone for no reason.
>>
>> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>
>
> Some employers are now checking your credit status before they hire.
>
> Marsha
Employers have been doing credit checks for years. It is just recently that
some states are trying to pass laws to make credit checks illegal as a
condition of hiring because of the mess the economy is in. Too many people
have been caught in the vicious cycle of being downsized because of the bad
economy, making it kind of tough to meet one's financial obligations, which
in turn can lead to a bad credit rating--making it MORE difficult to get a
job in a shrinking market, continuing right into a downward spiral that one
might never recover from.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 5:26 pm
From: George
On 8/11/2010 10:38 AM, Bill wrote:
> "Napoleon" wrote in message
>> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>> instead...
>>
>
> Maybe they are running a credit, criminal, and drivers license check?
>
> If someone has good credit, no criminal background, and a good driving
> record, then that might indicate they know basic math, can plan ahead, and
> can follow rules. A responsible person.
>
> Then what people think of others is often a reflection of themselves. If
> someone is honest, they would tend to think others are honest and trust
> others. If someone is dishonest, they would tend to think others are
> dishonest as well. So the way someone responds to the request for their SSN
> might show if the person is trusting of others or not. Also can the person
> do what is requested of them, or is the person going to be a trouble maker
> constantly informing the manager of what his/her "rights" are, etc.?
>
And people who simply want to maintain their privacy are offended when
others spout nonsense like they must be dishonest or have something to
hide. Maybe some folks want to put their entire life on facebook and
give any information to anyone but others don't.
> The company is hiring a total stranger. They are best to find out as much as
> possible about the job applicant before hiring...
>
>
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 5:28 pm
From: George
On 8/11/2010 7:01 PM, MAS wrote:
> On 8/11/2010 9:19 AM, Napoleon wrote:
>> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>> instead.
>>
>> I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
>> after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
>> course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
>> illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
>> job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
>> sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
>> paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
>> to just anyone for no reason.
>>
>> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>
>
> Some employers are now checking your credit status before they hire.
>
> Marsha
Unfortunately lots of employers use Simple Simon procedures for hiring.
Run the resumes through a buzzword screener to check for a match and if
yes perform easy checks such as running a credit check. This is instead
of putting some thought into it and inviting folks in for an interview.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 6:03 pm
From: MAS
On 8/11/2010 7:52 PM, Annie Woughman wrote:
>
>
> "MAS" <mas@bbbb.net> wrote in message news:i3va3m$o4a$2@news.datemas.de...
>> On 8/11/2010 9:19 AM, Napoleon wrote:
>>> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>>> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>>> instead.
>>>
>>> I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
>>> after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
>>> course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
>>> illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
>>> job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
>>> sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
>>> paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
>>> to just anyone for no reason.
>>>
>>> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>>> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>>
>>
>> Some employers are now checking your credit status before they hire.
>>
>> Marsha
>
> Employers have been doing credit checks for years. It is just recently
> that some states are trying to pass laws to make credit checks illegal
> as a condition of hiring because of the mess the economy is in. Too many
> people have been caught in the vicious cycle of being downsized because
> of the bad economy, making it kind of tough to meet one's financial
> obligations, which in turn can lead to a bad credit rating--making it
> MORE difficult to get a job in a shrinking market, continuing right into
> a downward spiral that one might never recover from.
Then these states should also make it illegal to do a credit check by
insurance companies before they accept you or quote you a premium?
Marsha
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 8:28 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 08/11/10 17:28, George wrote:
> Unfortunately lots of employers use Simple Simon procedures for hiring.
> Run the resumes through a buzzword screener to check for a match and if
> yes perform easy checks such as running a credit check. This is instead
> of putting some thought into it and inviting folks in for an interview.
Yes. This is what HR does. No brain involved, as whould be obvious to
anyone who has spent any time with an HR person. When you get 300
resumes for one opening, you HAVE to figure out a way of getting rid of
all but 20 real candidates. And 20 is conservative; no manager wants
to have to decide among even 10 people unless it's a REALLY important
opening, in which case it will be filled without HR's involvement except
for processing the paperwork after the decision is made.
Note: I was sort of pushed into the HR function and was disgusted by
what I saw -- especially at the company-wide HR meetings. Don't ask.
That's why they ask for degrees when practical experience may (or may
not) be a better qualification -- remember, the initial screening is
more or less mechanical, not requiring any judgment. Being able to
easily check whether you have a criminal record or are a deadbeat is
just one more useful weeding tool.
Look at it this way: Always complain when you get bad service at a
restaurant; there are probably 50 people waiting who need the job as
much as the crappy waiter does, and half of them will probably be better
waiters and hence more deserving of the job. Incompetence should never
be rewarded.
Providing good references is useless -- managers are instructed to NEVER
tell anything about a former employee except maybe job title, employment
period and salary; anything else opens up the possibility of a lawsuit.
Example: only after the employee was escorted from the premises
under guard was I able to get his former manager to open up and tell me
what a total shithead the guy was, and he only told me that after I told
him about what the jerk had done while he was working for us. If he'd
told me the truth before we hired the jerk a whole lot of grief would
have been saved, but NOOOOOO. It's probably worse now.
If you have to work for somebody else you're at the mercy of his
organization. Complaining does no good, just learn how to best
manipulate the system to YOUR advantage.
--
Cheers, Bev
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