Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 13 topics

Wednesday, September 1, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df9bf47b6f220bd6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:05 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Rebel1 wrote

>>> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010

>>> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>>> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.

>>> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns properly align

>> You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet client.

> As long as you have been on Usenet, you should know that
> technical types who often read Usenet articles of technical sort
> tend to use Usenet clients that display with a fixed-width font.

You aint established that its 'technical types' who are reading that post.

> Many Usenet clients default to fixed-width font

And the absolute vast bulk use a usenet client that doesnt.

> because it is common enough in Usenet to post
> tables and artwork such as schematic diagrams.

> The few others seeing the table of data screwed up by lack of fixed-width
> font are advised above that they can fix that by using fixed-width font -
> which is common advice often dispensed for reading Usenet articles.

And he stupidly assumed that the font he posted using has any
relevance what so ever to the font used when reading his post.

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TOPIC: Is an SUV a Truck or a Toy?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e3a7ecaae0e767b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:29 am
From: Kevan Smith

On 9/1/10 12:56 AM, Don Klipstein wrote:
> I find professional truck drivers to generally be further more careful.

Or the other extreme. I have had many pass by too close because they
think I do not belong on the road. They should realize we carry cell
phones for immediate reporting.

But, in general, pro truck drivers, as you say, are really good.

Kevan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:26 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 1, 12:29 am, Kevan Smith <dr.goode...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Nobody cares --or should even care-- about the jungle out there.
>
> >Those gorillas are really something, ah?
>
> Sorry, I'm not privy to your fantasies..

I'm not talking about my erotic fantasies... but the reality of the
world, aka "the jungle."

What are you doing with a jungle vehicle in the middle of the city,
just to satisfy your gorilla?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/gorilla%20and%20suv/drivn2kill/PowerBlock%20TV/Gorilla_1024.jpg

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 10:20 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 1, 8:09 am, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 6:19 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:04:13 -0500, "Daniel who wants to know"
>
> > <m...@here.edu> wrote:
> > >"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
> > ><nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:edcdb0d1-0a23-4f50-b0d3-a398fc84df5f@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> Worse, they put cars at much greater risk. Their sheer mass and high
> > >> bumpers is a killer combination.
>
> > >And hence the vicious cycle. Your neighbor trades in his sedan for an SUV
> > >with a bumper that is 3 feet off the ground which makes you feel unsafe so
> > >you trade in your sedan for an SUV with a bumper that is 3.1 feet off the
> > >ground. The next person gets one that is 3.2 feet off the ground... and on
> > >it goes until everyone has a frigging useless H2 Hummer.
>
> > all of which is none of your business...
>
> > >Note that I have no problems with H1s or true HMMWVs as long as they still
> > >have CTIS and portal geared hubs. My dad was in the national guard motor
> > >pool and apparently you don't want to try to go faster than about 45-50 in a
> > >HMMWV on pavement.
>
> > Do you really believe anyone cares what you do or don't have problems
> > with?
>
> Are you a bit uncomfortable with your decision to buy an SUV? You
> seem awfully defensive.
>
> Harry K

It's called "remorse" or "guilty trip," but they easily dismiss it by
denying Climate Change and arguing EVERYBODY should get one.

Around here there's one that has a TRAIN HORN so everybody knows the
gorilla is around.

No kidding...

http://www.hornblasters.com/

And he uses it for amusement around the alley and everywhere he can
bother people and get the attention of the other monkeys! Actually it
may be more than one but all gorillas look the same to me.

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TOPIC: What will be the next animal to dominate the Earth when we have been
wiped out?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2b1d27da741ba274?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:37 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 8/31/2010 8:49 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Don Klipstein"<don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
> news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In article<e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>>> subject?
>>
>> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
>> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
>> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
>> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
>> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
>> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
>
> I don't believe you because I have never seen it. All unmoderated newsgroups
> are full of jerks which come to dominate eventually. The bad apples always
> spoil the barrel.

No. It's not about moderated or unmoderated. The vast majority of
technical groups are civil, and generally ignore fools. I subscribe to
no moderated groups, this is Usenet.

>
>>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>>> others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>>> and proud of it.
>>
>> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
>> that all you can contribute?
>
> I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
> idiot TM.

I see nothing of any value coming from you. I see no other posts. All I
see is this useless senseless duel with a Troll. He's easily ignored and
sometimes amusing, mostly just silly. Which puts him a notch more useful
than yourself.

What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him? That god damn
> bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups with his multiple
> posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is nothing but a
> spammer.

No, he is just another person who lives too deeply in Usenet. Don't you
guys have a life?

Jeff
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 1, 12:37 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 8:49 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Don Klipstein"<d...@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
> >news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
> >> In article<e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
> >>> subject?
>
> >> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
> >> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
> >> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
> >> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
> >> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
> >> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
>
> > I don't believe you because I have never seen it. All unmoderated newsgroups
> > are full of jerks which come to dominate eventually. The bad apples always
> > spoil the barrel.
>
> No. It's not about moderated or unmoderated. The vast majority of
> technical groups are civil, and generally ignore fools. I subscribe to
> no moderated groups, this is Usenet.
>
>
>
> >>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
> >>> others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
> >>> and proud of it.
>
> >> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
> >> that all you can contribute?
>
> > I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
> > idiot TM.
>
> I see nothing of any value coming from you. I see no other posts. All I
> see is this useless senseless duel with a Troll. He's easily ignored and
> sometimes amusing, mostly just silly. Which puts him a notch more useful
> than yourself.
>
> What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him? That god damn

Someday I will go away as my environment get more bike friendly or the
revolution comes to power somewhere. Or maybe the stationary bikes
will fill the void.

>
> > bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups with his multiple
> > posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is nothing but a
> > spammer.
>
> No, he is just another person who lives too deeply in Usenet. Don't you
> guys have a life?

Nope. My life would be to ride a bicycle forever until I die. But I
don't want to die too soon.

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TOPIC: LACTATION VIDEOS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/361379ab60b36e0e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 2:26 am
From: Edmond Pacheco

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d833df279e38cde8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:05 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 31, 12:45 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:164428e7-fc23-4824-b1ee-abce74a7c36e@g17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 30, 11:53 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I wonder what Ed stands for. Never bothered to figure that out. I know
> > he hates Muslims and Liberals, but that's about it.
> >> AND ... mountain bikers on hiking trails, and Tom Sherman, and
>
> humanity in general especially women for the most part.
>
> Be sure to add yourself to that list, oh you of the verbal diarrhea.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

I almost did, but knew I could count on you for confirmation.
Readers, it is interesting to note that Dolan did not deny his hatred
for humanity in general and women in particular.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:12 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 31, 12:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Jeff Thies" <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i5iu07$mli$1@news.albasani.net...
> [...]
>
> > I'm reading all this from misc.consumers.frugal-living.
>
> > It looks to me that you have a grudge against TM and perpetuate it. TM is
> > nonsense, but keeping alive worthless threads when you know better is not
> > better. You've fallen for the Troll.
>
> TM is not a troll. He is way too stupid for that. He is a spammer, something
> for which no brain is required.
>
> Everyone agrees with me that TM is an asshole idiot<

They do? On what do you base this conclusion?

> but no one wants to do
> anything about it except ignore him.

As they should you.

> Unfortunately, that does not work on a
> small newsgroup such as RBS.

Size matters? How does that enter into the equation?

> A spammer destroys small newsgroups with
> multiple threads.

Jealous that TM did what you could not?

> I will only do copy and paste with him since he is not
> worth any thought. All he will see in the future is his own shit thrown back
> at him.

You go ... girl!

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:54 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 31, 2:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:da3fdfb9-50db-4973-8415-7fdd972f23b6@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 4:36 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:> "JimmyMac"
> > <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > [...]
>
> > >> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
>
> > and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> > the same is is not?
>
> > It is always in response to what is being said by someone else.
> >>>> Well no it's not actually, but more about that further down since you
>
> stated this multiple times.
>
> Well, yes, it is actually.

BULLSHIT!

> > Repetitive types like you only deserve repetition.
> >>>> Now you are accusing me, as you do TM, doing what you do ... recycling
>
> repetitious nonsense? You have often stated that you write to
> enlighten the readership. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion
> that repetition of nonsense is in any way enlightening.
>
> You are a broken record. I give you what you deserve.

Diversion duly noted. Classic ego defense mechanism (coping mechanism
- projection). Usenet has never know a broken record the like of you.

> > Ever notice how TM just ends up
> > talking to himself. What does that tell you?
> >>>> It tells me that you read TM's posts and care and I don't. By the
>
> way, this is yet another example of you accusing TM of what you are
> guilty of, that is writing for yourself and talking to yourself. Well
> whatever floats your boat, I guess.
>
> I care about TM destroying a small newsgroup like RBS. Otherwise, I do not
> care any more about him than I do about you.

Gee I hope that TM takes this no more personally that I did. It would
only matter what you thought if you mattered and you don't. Surely I
hope you don't think that anyone here cares about you or what you
think.

> More importantly, you never know what you are talking about.

Opinion stated as fact.

> I only respond to replies (just as I am doing now). TM never gets any replies.
> [...]

Repeating a lie ad nausem make is no more truthful that it's first
utterance.

> >>>> Logical fallacy, Non Sequitur, stating, as a conclusion, something
>
> that which does not strictly follow from the premise. In this
> particular instance, the premise (that TM is my ideal) is a figment of
> your imagination since I made no such statement, nor did I imply as
> much. Yep, it does appear that you are actually jealous of TM's
> ability to dominate a newsgroup better than you ever could. You
> really need to get over this.
>
> TM dominates a newsgroup by the force of his idiocy and by posting multiple
> threads which no one ever reads. I did so by the force of my intellect and
> pointed argumentation. But what would a stalker like you know about any of
> that. All you know is yourself.
> [...]

Diversion duly noted. Repetition of your assertion is no substitute
for a respsonse.

> > With TM, it just copy and paste posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.
> >>>> So that's where you learned it from.
>
> Yes, there is never any point in wasting time and effort on idiots.
>
> > [...]

I take it then that in responding to me, I don't qualify. Thanks for
clarifying that.

> > >> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
>
> > you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> > from what you're done.
>
> > Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> > threads.
> >>>> Bullshit. You have originated multiple farewell posts, multiple
>
> death of Usenet (particularly ARBR) posts, multiple Where is Tom
> Sherman posts just to mention a few that you recylce among the many.
>
> You have never followed any newsgroup for long because all you ever do is
> follow those threads that concern you.

Opinion stated as fact. This is becoming a very bad habit of yours.

> The fact is I am mainly a responder
> as is Tom Sherman.

So now you qualify think with the operative word ... "mainly". That
is progress, I suppose

> TM is mostly an originator of idiotic posts and that is
> what I am objecting to. You are not qualified to have an opinion of these
> cycling newsgroups.

Really? And that wayward opinion is somehow supposed to discourage
me. Is that the best you have to offer? You'll need to do better
than that.

> That is ever the fate of stalkers like you. All you
> really know is yourself.
> [...]
>
> > I have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up
> > poor
> > crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.
> >>>> That's crap and you know it or you are the Queen of D-Nile (denial).
>
> A search of the ARBR shows otherwise. See what I wrote above in this
> regard.
>
> Now you are just out and out lying, ever the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Denial won't change the facts. Anyone who has followed the various
newsgroups to which you post, knows that you have originated posts.
To stare otherwise is a lie and reflects poorly on your credibility
and character or lack thereof. Anyone can verify what I've said and
consequently verify that you are a liar. I see that you are playing
the fool and you're winning.

> TM
> does just one thing. He originates multiple threads which no one reads. He
> does it constantly, day in and day out. How fucked-up are you not to know
> this? He is a spammer, not a troll. A troll has got to have some brains in
> order to get responses. All TM does is post spam shit.

I will grant you the fact that TM SPAMA newsgroups, but his threads
are read and responded to aw well. THis to is verifiabela dn to state
otherwise is absurd. You need to come to grips with your peculiar
propensity to repudiate reality.

> The fact is that you are unable to make meaningful discriminations. You
> never know what is important and what is trivial. It is all the same to you.
> It is why no one ever bothers to read your posts except me.

Opinion stated as fact. I dont recall asking you to read my posts.
Feel free to stop at any time. You've been given your permission
slip.

> You are argue as a child argues. Either grow up or get lost!

I'm better at it than you. Consequently, you have to resort to a
gratuitous insult simply because that is the best you have to offer,
but I argue like a child? I'm amused. Do tell me more.

> [...]
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: help save me ~$70
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0f7b93cd3b415fc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:44 am
From: Ohioguy

Hmm - some of your suggestions give me the thought - if I can copy
and paste the jpegs into Atlantis Word Processor, creating a rich text
format document, why not send that?

Can people open a rtf file with a web browser installed?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 10:21 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 9/1/2010 8:44 AM, Ohioguy wrote:
> Hmm - some of your suggestions give me the thought - if I can copy and
> paste the jpegs into Atlantis Word Processor, creating a rich text
> format document, why not send that?
>
> Can people open a rtf file with a web browser installed?

Probably, but it has nothing to do with the browser. The browser is
native to html and plain text, just like this post.

Jeff

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TOPIC: Friday the 13th encounter with Big Brother
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/36c81e58c2d118c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:51 am
From: Ohioguy

>Your attitude about traffic laws seems to be that they should only
>apply to you if you agree with them under the circumstances.

Actually, I just want a person to be writing the ticket, so that:

a) there is not a two week delay before I even find out about it
(hence the chance for a LOAD more tickets before I or my
wife change behavior)

b) if a person is there, they can verify who is driving my car,
and not just assume it is me (could be my cousin or friend,
and evidently if they won't assume responsibility for speeding,
I have to pay for them breaking the law with the cameras)

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:04 am
From: Ohioguy

>What if she ran into a car full of people
> and killed someone?

Unlikely - the road in question is actually a 4 lane limited access
"connector", or outerbelt, for the metro area. It is fairly new, and
the long term goal is probably to eventually get rid of most of the
intersections, but for the short term I think to cut down costs
(building overpasses/underpasses), they have an intersection about every
mile or so. That is probably the only reason why the speed limit is set
to 50 instead of 65.

she might have been on the cell phone
> at the time

Nope, no cell phone.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:06 am
From: Ohioguy

> It's possible to calculate the speed of a vehicle by comparing two
> consecutive pictures snapped by a single camera. Unless your
> ticket said explicitly that they were using multiple cameras, it's
> technologically easier to do it with a single camera. I wouldn't
> assume that they're keeping track of you.

Cindy, the ticket actually had the times the photo was taken at two
different intersections, and it seemed pretty obvious they were
comparing the time each was taken, and then using the known distance
between the two points to calculate speed.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:28 am
From: "Clincher"

"Ohioguy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:w%rfo.106767$4B7.2641@newsfe16.iad...
> >Your attitude about traffic laws seems to be that they should only apply
> >to you if you agree with them under the circumstances.
>
> Actually, I just want a person to be writing the ticket, so that:
>
> a) there is not a two week delay before I even find out about it
> (hence the chance for a LOAD more tickets before I or my
> wife change behavior)

Agreed - I think that's what spooks a lot of people about this - the stealth
ticket.

With any luck, the postal service will be dead and buried in another ten
years (actually, it's already dead - the carcass just hasn't gotten the
message to fall) and some sort of online-based notification will be place.

> b) if a person is there, they can verify who is driving my car,
> and not just assume it is me (could be my cousin or friend,
> and evidently if they won't assume responsibility for speeding,

Then you've just found they're not much of a friend.

Take the keys back. Problem solved.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:31 am
From: Bill Bannion

In article <lfWdnbIS-_MpyePRnZ2dnUVZ5uednZ2d@giganews.com>, x@x.x
says...
>
>
> With any luck, the postal service will be dead and buried in another ten
> years (actually, it's already dead - the carcass just hasn't gotten the
> message to fall) and some sort of online-based notification will be place.
>

Right. Government will require you have a computer and pay Comcast for
internet access. Make it a requirement for a drivers license.
What the hell are you talking about?

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 8:01 am
From: "h"

"Bill Bannion" <bb@bb.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26e81fd668a160039896a2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> With any luck, the postal service will be dead and buried in another ten
>> years (actually, it's already dead - the carcass just hasn't gotten the
>> message to fall) and some sort of online-based notification will be
>> place.
>>
>
> Right. Government will require you have a computer and pay Comcast for
> internet access. Make it a requirement for a drivers license.
> What the hell are you talking about?
>

Beats me. I use the USPS for all of my business shipping. It's faster,
cheaper, and easier to use than FedEx or UPS. You buy/print the postage
online, schedule carrier pickup online, and put the boxes on the porch.
And...they actually get picked up and delivered to the correct place, which
is more than I can say for FedEx and UPS.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 8:37 am
From: "Bob F"

Ohioguy wrote:
>> It's possible to calculate the speed of a vehicle by comparing two
>> consecutive pictures snapped by a single camera. Unless your
>> ticket said explicitly that they were using multiple cameras, it's
>> technologically easier to do it with a single camera. I wouldn't
>> assume that they're keeping track of you.
>
>
> Cindy, the ticket actually had the times the photo was taken at two
> different intersections, and it seemed pretty obvious they were
> comparing the time each was taken, and then using the known distance
> between the two points to calculate speed.

I'm impressed. They are very creative at catching scofflaws. Good for them.

Such "problems" are easily avoided by obeying the laws, to everyones benefit.

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Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:41 am
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Anyway a bigger cage with horizontal bars has made the parakeets go
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most importantly let them all fly around the house.

Moral of the story: We all need SPACE & INFRASTRUCTURE to be happy,
something the ones that keep us in the cage ignore. My mouse though is
not a flier or a crawler, but he's spinner on the wheel. I think he
means we have to ride a bike, and I just got a spinning bike... Is
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 9:21 am
From: richard

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:31:19 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random wrote:

> Many past complaints against package delivery service U.P.S.
>
> They delivered food suppl_ements and vit-amins that have been altered
> with, re-packaged with some chemical spill on the original package and
> contents smelled bad and hot to the touch.
>
> I suspect this was done intentionally due to past several complaints
> about the very poor service of U.P.S.
>
> What government agency(ies), if any, will investigate and respond to
> this situation if I complain?
>
> Even though my money damages are small, this has caused me alot
> of time and grief getting a refund and I was made sick by consuming a
> few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there
> any legal recourse through a consumer attorney?

Try the FTC.
They will quietly investigate the problem and if they see something is
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input from you.

I once complained about a scam television ad campaign and the FTC took the
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Request your supplier to use FedEx instead.

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