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TOPIC: Buying a new mattress and Ikea
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== 1 of 25 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 11:52 pm
From: Adrian
"john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys.
IIRC their mattresses have 10 year warranties. Have you contacted them
about that?
> Also it so heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for
> spring cleaning.
Has it got a lot heavier since you bought it?
> Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit thin, although we do prefer a
> firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
What did you think when you went into the store and tried one?
== 2 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 12:15 am
From: Michaelangelo
john brook burst on the scene, and said:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also
> it so heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for
> spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if
> 10cm is a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we
> use a mattress pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
I know nothing about foam mattresses but, looking at those available
online, 10cm seems quite shallow. 15cm seems a more common size. �60 is
also pretty cheap but probably accounted for by the thinness of the
mattress and Ikea's generally low prices.
I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice
from people who know. If the Ikea one then seems a good buy you can
still go for it. You don't buy a new mattress very often and like most
things you get what you pay for so cheapest isn't necessarily best.
On balance, if I was in the market for a mattress I don't think Ikea
would be my first port of call. In fact I'm not sure I would look at
them at all.
--
Michaelangelo
No good deed goes unpunished
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== 3 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 12:20 am
From: Adrian
Michaelangelo <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:
> On balance, if I was in the market for a mattress I don't think Ikea
> would be my first port of call. In fact I'm not sure I would look at
> them at all.
We had an Ikea mattress for about 10-12 years. It was absolutely fine.
== 4 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 12:42 am
From: richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
In article <8p7qlpFq2qU1@mid.individual.net>,
Michaelangelo <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice
>from people who know.
Other customers, you mean?
-- Richard
== 5 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 12:46 am
From: "Peter Hawkins"
"Michaelangelo" <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:8p7qlpFq2qU1@mid.individual.net...
> john brook burst on the scene, and said:
>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
>> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring
>> cleaning.
>>
>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
>> 200x140x10cm for £60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
>> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm
>> is a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a
>> mattress pad.
>>
>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
>> elswhere? Thanks.
>
> I know nothing about foam mattresses but, looking at those available
> online, 10cm seems quite shallow. 15cm seems a more common size. £60 is
> also pretty cheap but probably accounted for by the thinness of the
> mattress and Ikea's generally low prices.
>
> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice from
> people who know. If the Ikea one then seems a good buy you can still go
> for it. You don't buy a new mattress very often and like most things you
> get what you pay for so cheapest isn't necessarily best.
>
> On balance, if I was in the market for a mattress I don't think Ikea would
> be my first port of call. In fact I'm not sure I would look at them at
> all.
>
> --
> Michaelangelo
> No good deed goes unpunished
>
> Self-catering, holiday accommodation for disabled people:
> www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
> www.flickr.com/photos/mikenagel
>
>
We have ordered (but not had delivered yet) a new base and mattress, and the
mattress is a normal sprung one, but does not need to be turned.
This might help with it being too heavy, as once installed it shouldn't have
to be moved often.
I would think that a thin foam mattress might not be comfortable after a
while, but this is not from experience.
--
Peter Hawkins
South Lincolnshire
== 6 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 1:08 am
From: "Foxy at Work"
john brook wrote:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also
> it so heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for
> spring cleaning.
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if
> 10cm is a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we
> use a mattress pad.
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
As far as foam mattresses are concerned I wouldn't get a 10cm one, mind you
they are also quite heavy and not easy to turn. I love mine allthough it's
just a "topper" and in laid on top of my standard mattress. The price of �60
also seems very cheap.
Jen
== 7 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 1:04 am
From: "michael adams"
"john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a thicker
> one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit
> thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
>
>
From experience of thin cheap Ikea foam mattresses. Regardless of how often
they are turned or rotated the foam loses its resilience after about two
years or so. And so any valleys will reappear after a couple of days of
the mattress being turned. This is for users weighing no more than eleven
stone.
Without checking their website right now, I always wondered why some foam
mattresses cost two and three times the price of the cheap ones. Maybe this
is the reason why.
michael adams
...
== 8 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 1:19 am
From: Michaelangelo
Richard Tobin burst on the scene, and said:
> In article <8p7qlpFq2qU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Michaelangelo <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice
>> from people who know.
>
> Other customers, you mean?
Staff.
--
Michaelangelo
No good deed goes unpunished
Self-catering, holiday accommodation for disabled people:
www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
www.flickr.com/photos/mikenagel
== 9 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:10 am
From: The Natural Philosopher
john brook wrote:
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
>
>
You could scarce find a *worse* deal.
Oh, and it's 'elsewhere'.
== 10 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:13 am
From: harry
On Jan 13, 7:46 am, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for 60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a thicker
> one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit
> thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
If you are talking about "memory foam" an aspect not realised is that
they are very hot (and sweaty). This because compared with a standard
mattress they are very good insulation. When you think, there is only
a very thin layer on a standard spring mattress. And if you ever want
to "wash " it, you can look out. Best done on the driveway .
== 11 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:18 am
From: leevan
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:46:15 -0000, john brook wrote:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a thicker
> one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit
> thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
Considering you spend around a third of your life on a mattress I would
suggest going for the best you can afford. �60 sounds far to cheap for long
lasting quality.
--
leevan's dickie birds
www.pbrentnall.co.uk
== 12 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:25 am
From: Skipweasel
In article <igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org>, bluestar954
@mail.invalid says...
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for £60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a thicker
> one elswhere for the same money?
>
Personally I can't stand foam mattresses - they last about a week.
Turn you turn your old one often?
--
Skipweasel - never knowingly understood.
== 13 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:26 am
From: Skipweasel
In article <8p7udsFegvU1@mid.individual.net>,
mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid says...
> >> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice
> >> from people who know.
> >
> > Other customers, you mean?
>
> Staff.
>
Ah - what they mostly know is how to steer you towards the item which
will earn them the highest commission.
--
Skipweasel - never knowingly understood.
== 14 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:27 am
From: Michaelangelo
leevan burst on the scene, and said:
> �60 sounds far to cheap for long lasting quality.
But about right for long-lasting back problems
--
Michaelangelo
No good deed goes unpunished
Self-catering, holiday accommodation for disabled people:
www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
www.flickr.com/photos/mikenagel
== 15 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:27 am
From: Tim Streater
In article <8p7u7fFdhoU1@mid.individual.net>,
"michael adams" <mjadams27@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> "john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> > mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> > heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
> >
> > We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> > 200x140x10cm for £60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a thicker
> > one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit
> > thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
> >
> > The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> > elswhere? Thanks.
>
> From experience of thin cheap Ikea foam mattresses. Regardless of how often
> they are turned or rotated the foam loses its resilience after about two
> years or so. And so any valleys will reappear after a couple of days of
> the mattress being turned. This is for users weighing no more than eleven
> stone.
>
> Without checking their website right now, I always wondered why some foam
> mattresses cost two and three times the price of the cheap ones. Maybe this
> is the reason why.
I bought an orthopaedic mattress in 1980 while I was living in Geneva.
Cost a few hundred quid *then* but has been well worth it as it's still
in use and as good as new. It's firm foam about 13-14cm thick, and for
me the best feature is that one person can turn over while the other
occupant need barely be aware that this has happened, unlike with sprung
mattresses where it's like you're both lying on a giant jelly.
Bought a conceptually similar one from IKEA about 10 or so years ago,
nothing like as good, and now a bit lumpy in the way you describe. Both
mattresses are on essentially identical IKEA beds (no problem with
those) which have wooden slats to support the mattress. [1]
The long and the short of it is, IMO, that you get what you pay for. I'd
look around and test them by lying down, and expect to pay a decent
amount for something you want to be comfortable and last a long time.
[1] Prolly a bit like the wooden beds that WW2 prisoners slept on, where
they took the slats out to use for escape tunnel support.
--
Tim
"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
== 16 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:30 am
From: Michaelangelo
Michaelangelo burst on the scene, and said:
> leevan burst on the scene, and said:
>
>> £60 sounds far to cheap for long lasting quality.
>
> But about right for long-lasting back problems
--
Michaelangelo
No good deed goes unpunished
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www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
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== 17 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:32 am
From: Michaelangelo
Tim Streater burst on the scene, and said:
> [1] Prolly a bit like the wooden beds that WW2 prisoners slept on,
> where they took the slats out to use for escape tunnel support.
If you require support in your escape tunnel I would suggest that you
use the orthopaedic mattress rather than the wooden slats.
--
Michaelangelo
No good deed goes unpunished
Self-catering, holiday accommodation for disabled people:
www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
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== 18 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 3:37 am
From: richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
In article <8p7udsFegvU1@mid.individual.net>,
Michaelangelo <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice
>>> from people who know.
>> Other customers, you mean?
>Staff.
What would people who know anything be doing working in a bed shop?
-- Richard
== 19 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:11 am
From: Tabby
On Jan 13, 7:46 am, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for 60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a thicker
> one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit
> thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
I wouldnt even look at Ikea for mattresses. Had very satisfactory
experience with M&S. Cheap mattresses arent worth buying, even if
you're poor, as they dont last. A good mattress does.
NT
== 20 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:18 am
From: Andy Dingley
On Jan 13, 7:46 am, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for 60.
That's certainly cheap, but is it a good mattress?
IMHE, Ikea mattresses have several problems:
* They're a weird size, so you have to buy Ikea mattresses to fit Ikea
beds.
* The quality is low: comfort and longevity both suffer.
* PU foam isn't great whoever makes it.
My own favourite mattresses aren't cheap, but they do solve these
problems: _latex_ foam (i.e. natural rubber), not PU. It comes in
sheets and is cut to any size, so you can make it fit an Ikea
bedframe. Comfort is also brilliant - better even than viscoelastic
foams like Tempur.
== 21 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:19 am
From: Allan
On 13/01/2011 07:46, john brook wrote:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
[snip]
You might like to look at:
http://www.which.co.uk/mattresses
or a Which? article from Aug 2008:
http://www.which.co.uk/documents/pdf/p66-69_mattresses-153509.pdf
Allan
== 22 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:35 am
From: Derek F
On 13/01/2011 08:15, Michaelangelo wrote:
> john brook burst on the scene, and said:
>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it
>> so heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring
>> cleaning.
>>
>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
>> 200x140x10cm for £60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
>> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm
>> is a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a
>> mattress pad.
>>
>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
>> elswhere? Thanks.
>
> I know nothing about foam mattresses but, looking at those available
> online, 10cm seems quite shallow. 15cm seems a more common size. £60 is
> also pretty cheap but probably accounted for by the thinness of the
> mattress and Ikea's generally low prices.
>
> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice from
> people who know. If the Ikea one then seems a good buy you can still go
> for it. You don't buy a new mattress very often and like most things you
> get what you pay for so cheapest isn't necessarily best.
>
> On balance, if I was in the market for a mattress I don't think Ikea
> would be my first port of call. In fact I'm not sure I would look at
> them at all.
>
I'd go there for the Swedish Meatballs and excellent potatoes:-) They
used to often have vouchers that gave you them for 1p. We would have one
each go round the shop and have another before leaving.
Derek
== 23 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:53 am
From: "alexander.keys1"
On Jan 13, 12:35 pm, Derek F <lordpil...@NOXo2.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/01/2011 08:15, Michaelangelo wrote:
>
>
>
> > john brook burst on the scene, and said:
> >> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> >> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it
> >> so heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring
> >> cleaning.
>
> >> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> >> 200x140x10cm for £60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
> >> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm
> >> is a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a
> >> mattress pad.
>
> >> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> >> elswhere? Thanks.
>
> > I know nothing about foam mattresses but, looking at those available
> > online, 10cm seems quite shallow. 15cm seems a more common size. £60 is
> > also pretty cheap but probably accounted for by the thinness of the
> > mattress and Ikea's generally low prices.
>
> > I would go around one or two dedicated bedding shops and get advice from
> > people who know. If the Ikea one then seems a good buy you can still go
> > for it. You don't buy a new mattress very often and like most things you
> > get what you pay for so cheapest isn't necessarily best.
>
> > On balance, if I was in the market for a mattress I don't think Ikea
> > would be my first port of call. In fact I'm not sure I would look at
> > them at all.
>
> I'd go there for the Swedish Meatballs and excellent potatoes:-) They
> used to often have vouchers that gave you them for 1p. We would have one
> each go round the shop and have another before leaving.
> Derek- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Get a futon bed, Argos have them for about £100, futons are much
better for your back, they are less heavy to move, and you can fold
the bed up into a sofa.
== 24 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 5:51 am
From: Ronald Raygun
Adrian wrote:
> "john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys.
>
> IIRC their mattresses have 10 year warranties. Have you contacted them
> about that?
>
>> Also it so heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for
>> spring cleaning.
>
> Has it got a lot heavier since you bought it?
Good point. Besides, you're not meant to clean the springs.
>> Also we are wondering if 10cm is a bit thin, although we do prefer a
>> firmer mattress and we use a mattress pad.
>
> What did you think when you went into the store and tried one?
I think you'll find they frown on people disrobing in the store,
and you can't really make a proper assessment when fully clothed.
== 25 of 25 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 7:15 am
From: "Mr Pounder"
"john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is
> a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress
> pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
Stick a 3 before your �60 and you will get something 1/2 decent.
Mr Pounder
>
>
>
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