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* Liberation of Women should include Exposed Breasts - 7 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Liberation of Women should include Exposed Breasts
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 11:55 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <4ab7e065-559a-4ab8-a0ac-b83d1e1cb5d8@f11g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>On Apr 24, 12:28 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>> In <432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>>
>> <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>>
>> >I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
>> >RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
>> >helmet-- is a must.
>>
>> Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is. Last summer, I made
>> something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
>> especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.
>>
>> This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad
>> hot Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>
>The hat is a must if the sun is bearing down on you. You sacrifice
>safety though.
Instead, I wore my helmet. I found that a Greek style exomis cools my
body better than a bathing suit, or even my coolest shirt and my coolest
shorts.
>> Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>>
>> >I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>> >mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>> >I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>> >natural.
>>
>> A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses.
>> Some said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for
>> the Greek style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made
>> of linen.
>
>What's that?
Are you asking what linen is, or what an exomis is? I know Wikipedia
has an article on "exomis". I would think Wiki has an article on linen.
The word "exomis" is a Greek one. It means, "shoulder out".
I think of an exomis as a single-strap sleeveless dress, made primarily
for men. The Greek version appears to me "manly". There is a Roman
version that appears to me to be "less manly", more like what modern
people would consider to be a dress, better worn by men if they have
prominent facial hair and prominent muscles more-so than even athletic
women have.
Actually, the classic Greek version does not have the fabric over one
shoulder being in form of a strap. I would say, do a web search (such
as with Google or alternatives) and see what a Greek exomis is.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:06 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <ip0ao2$oll$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev wrote:
>On 04/23/11 21:28, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
>> In<432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d39c@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>>
>> <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>>
>>>I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
>>>RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
>>>helmet-- is a must.
>>
>> Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is. Last summer, I made
>> something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
>> especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.
>
>I bet the black bike shorts ruined the effect!
An exomis is normally long enough to cover bike shorts. Under mine, I
only wore "boy panties".
>> This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad hot
>> Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>>
>> Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>>
>>>I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>>>mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>>>I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>>>natural.
>
>I'd worry about it getting caught in the chain. And you'd need a lot of
>mirrors. Not practical.
What would I need mirrors for? No clothing gets more than an inch from
my body except below my armpits!
As for getting caught in the chain? On a men's bike, I never had that
problem with an exomis or a mid-calf-length raincoat!
>> A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses. Some
>> said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for the
>> Greek style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made of
>> linen.
>
>Back in the dark ages when I was in high school hoopskirts with
>petticoats were the in thing. The cheap ones were just wire frames and
>were kind of miserable to sit in; the expensive ones were made of net
>with boning and provided a lot of air circulation.
>
>This was the late 1950s, not 1850s!
I was talking about what was worn most roughly 2,000 years ago, during
the Roman Warm Period. Earth's rotational and orbital mechanics back then
made the world about as hot as it is now with nearly 40% more CO2 than
the world had back then. Greece and the Roman Empire had to have summers
awfully hot for hand-to-hand combat and swordfighting!
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 5:52 am
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 4/21/2011 8:33 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher wrote:
> Western Liberation of women ain't liberation at all, I may say, as
> women are financial slaves to their car --or "cage" as it is commonly
> known-- or limited to go to parks for fear of the hobos and sexual
> predators.
>
> My opinion is particularly important because that's my riding style in
> my local park, and the only way to beat the heat in summer days. I
> wear my safari hat and open my shirt endlessly riding my bike through
> the winding path, while I witness those hobos sleeping on those
> benches with casual disregard for the public.
>
> So I say, with all the weight of my wisdom, that women have the same
> right to go bare-breasted and be free from hobos. Liberation time
> shouldn't be limited to a few Arab countries. We mean EQUAL RIGHTS FOR
> ALL.[...]
When being topless was legalized in the Scandinavian countries, a few
women went around topless for a couple of weeks until the novelty wore off.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 7:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 24, 8:52 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 4/21/2011 8:33 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > Western Liberation of women ain't liberation at all, I may say, as
> > women are financial slaves to their car --or "cage" as it is commonly
> > known-- or limited to go to parks for fear of the hobos and sexual
> > predators.
>
> > My opinion is particularly important because that's my riding style in
> > my local park, and the only way to beat the heat in summer days. I
> > wear my safari hat and open my shirt endlessly riding my bike through
> > the winding path, while I witness those hobos sleeping on those
> > benches with casual disregard for the public.
>
> > So I say, with all the weight of my wisdom, that women have the same
> > right to go bare-breasted and be free from hobos. Liberation time
> > shouldn't be limited to a few Arab countries. We mean EQUAL RIGHTS FOR
> > ALL.[...]
>
> When being topless was legalized in the Scandinavian countries, a few
> women went around topless for a couple of weeks until the novelty wore off.
So the monkey needs the cage? Remember though they live in cold
weather.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 7:24 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 24, 2:55 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <4ab7e065-559a-4ab8-a0ac-b83d1e1cb...@f11g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Apr 24, 12:28 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> >> In <432c73f0-d240-48c2-a403-a6974ac6d...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>
> >> <SNIP to what to wear to beat the heat>
>
> >> >I've found out that the only day to enjoy the hot summer is both to
> >> >RIDE A BIKE and OPEN MY SHIRT which is often a safari vest. Hat --not
> >> >helmet-- is a must.
>
> >> Look up what the Greek version of an exomis is. Last summer, I made
> >> something similar, and found that to be cooler than anything else,
> >> especially with enough airspeed to get some breeze.
>
> >> This even made late afternoon commutes by bike fairly easy on a bad
> >> hot Philadelphia summer days, when the heat index was about 105-110 F.
>
> >The hat is a must if the sun is bearing down on you. You sacrifice
> >safety though.
>
> Instead, I wore my helmet. I found that a Greek style exomis cools my
> body better than a bathing suit, or even my coolest shirt and my coolest
> shorts.
>
> >> Though people would rather call this thing a toga...
>
> >> >I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
> >> >mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
> >> >I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
> >> >natural.
>
> >> A few times I asked women what was coolest. They said dresses.
> >> Some said cotton dresses or linen dresses. On that basis, I went for
> >> the Greek style exomis. The summer versions of those were often made
> >> of linen.
>
> >What's that?
>
> Are you asking what linen is, or what an exomis is? I know Wikipedia
> has an article on "exomis". I would think Wiki has an article on linen.
>
> The word "exomis" is a Greek one. It means, "shoulder out".
>
> I think of an exomis as a single-strap sleeveless dress, made primarily
> for men. The Greek version appears to me "manly". There is a Roman
> version that appears to me to be "less manly", more like what modern
> people would consider to be a dress, better worn by men if they have
> prominent facial hair and prominent muscles more-so than even athletic
> women have.
>
> Actually, the classic Greek version does not have the fabric over one
> shoulder being in form of a strap. I would say, do a web search (such
> as with Google or alternatives) and see what a Greek exomis is.
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Thanks! I think this woman is half liberated!
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_32.11.4.jpg
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 9:01 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <b864b8f8-3a68-4a0e-8c16-35d92af64dcb@d27g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>On Apr 24, 2:55 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
<I SNIP to here>
>> Are you asking what linen is, or what an exomis is? I know Wikipedia
>> has an article on "exomis". I would think Wiki has an article on linen.
>>
>> The word "exomis" is a Greek one. It means, "shoulder out".
>>
>> I think of an exomis as a single-strap sleeveless dress, made primarily
>> for men. The Greek version appears to me "manly". There is a Roman
>> version that appears to me to be "less manly", more like what modern
>> people would consider to be a dress, better worn by men if they have
>> prominent facial hair and prominent muscles more-so than even athletic
>> women have.
>>
>> Actually, the classic Greek version does not have the fabric over one
>> shoulder being in form of a strap. I would say, do a web search (such
>> as with Google or alternatives) and see what a Greek exomis is.
>> --
>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>
>Thanks! I think this woman is half liberated!
>
>http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_32.11.4.jpg
I took a look!
The garment appears to me impressively close to being a Greek style
men's exomis. Differs slightly, mostly by having a little less body
coverage - including having a strap rather than a sewed joint in the
top end of a square garment sewed into a tube.
That usually has a man's right pec exposed.
This thing is mirror-image-reversed, maybe according to what is now
modern practice for women's button-up blouses and shirts to have
button-side reverse of what side the buttons are on men's shirts.
The woman in the link has one breast exposed.
On a bike going at least 10 maybe 15 MPH, I think I can get more cooling
with more body coverage by a similar garment. I got the cloth to channel
air over my body in a good way. I did that with a largely-square piece
of cloth sewed into a tube, with an inch or a bit more of heavy stitching
roughly 1/3 from one endpoint of the top side to the other.
I do think that Greek soldiers knew what to wear for maximum cooling of
body by clothes back in the "Roman Warm Period", when the world was as hot
as it was in the past decade with nearly 30% less CO2 due to more-warming
periodic shift in planetary orbital mechanics.
And, I tried this a bit - successfully!
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 10:37 pm
From: Joy Beeson
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:59:44 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> Back in the dark ages when I was in high school hoopskirts with
> petticoats were the in thing. The cheap ones were just wire frames and
> were kind of miserable to sit in; the expensive ones were made of net
> with boning and provided a lot of air circulation.
>
> This was the late 1950s, not 1850s!
Hoop skirts never made it to my high school -- we wore "crinolines" --
ruffled net underskirts, or stiff some-sort-of-synthetic petticoats.
And we wore them only for dress-up; for school, we wore pleated or
circular skirts over ordinary slips. I fondly remember a
double-circle school skirt: it was so full that I could grab a
handful of hem with each hand, raise my arms straight up, and still be
decently covered.
When I'm riding my bike in a damp linen shirt, I feel sorry for the
guys toasting bare skin in the sun.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
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TOPIC: Speed Cameras + Red Light Cameras = Safer Roads
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:17 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <bba96423-b779-4cf9-b6b2-5361217b3c7d@x10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>On Apr 24, 1:12 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>> In <d43e63cc-1458-4a0c-a186-8ec1a34da...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> >(POSTED AT MY LOCAL FORUM --BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW!)
>>
>> >OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
>> >SAFER ROADS
>>
>> Ordinarily, I am in favor of red light cameras.
>>
>> My mood on those got sour a couple months after I noticed a new red
>> light camera on Walnut St. around 58th in West Philadelphia - by a
>> school.
>>
>> What got my mood sour: Someone shortened the duration of the yellow
>> light by half a second. That says to me that the camera's goal was not
>> safety, but get money from drivers.
>>
>> >That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
>> >over the limit is reduced this way.
>>
>> Most accidents are not caused by speeding by up to 10 MPH.
>
>30 + 10 = 40mph, at that speed the danger is multiplied, the noise
>level is intensified and your determination shaken.
>
>It's like mandating 15mph in school zones, why not mandate reduced
>speeds around cyclists?
How about enforce already-existing laws for dealing with slower-moving
vehicles that state vehicle codes already say are vehicles that have a
right to be on the road?
Under PA vehicle code: If you have little chance to move faster than
25 MPH, you should have the triangular retroreflective "slow vehicle"
marker on your rear end. That is required if your vehicle design limits
maximum speed to below 25 MPH - and I think that should be applied to
include beach cruiser bikes, "Worksman" "freight hauling bikes" and to
freight-hauling bike trailers such as what Philly Pedal Co-Op (recyclable
trash hauling outfit) towed.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 7:37 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 24, 12:20 am, Jesicca Powell <jessic...@a.b> wrote:
> On 4/23/2011 7:37 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > (Do you expect me to run into trouble?)
>
> > On Apr 23, 3:22 pm, Billy<Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
>
> >> In the US, we are supposed to be protected by the Fourth Amendment from
> >> unreasonable search and seizure. What constitutes reasonableness,
> >> curiosity? There needs to be a compelling basis for invading our
> >> privacy, and that compelling basis, and not a woman's breasts, needs to
> >> be transparent to scrutiny.
>
> > I don't care. I want more cameras to fight BAD DRIVERS, PETTY
> > CRIMINALS, POLLUTERS... I really don't give a damn because I'm playing
> > by the rules.
>
> So you don't care if the person is guilty or not, you just want the
> innocent to pay. Cameras aren't there for justice, they are there to
> raise REVENUE. Note that the companies installing the camera receive a
> portion so they have incentive to make sure the cameras serve as their
> personal ATMs, no speeders necessary for cash receipts.
>
> Speed cameras are a complete scam, they take pictures and accuse
> innocent citizens of speeding. See the article below for an example.
>
> http://wusa9.com/news/article/147930/77/Forest-Heights-Man-Uses-Math-...
Well, remove the speed signs too. They are a complete scam as well.
Let me ask you, they seem to be a complete scam only in America,
right? Your arguments really sound paranoid. BIG BROTHER IS OUT TO GET
YOU!!!
At the point the government doesn't work for the people... Are you
proposing more active measures to defend yourself? Are you withholding
taxes or at least writing graffiti?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 8:09 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 24, 10:59 am, F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> In Australia we now have red light cameras that do both red light and
> >> speed, the idiot government call them safety cameras.
>
> > Do they work or not?
>
> They get a lot of revenue have debatable influence on road toll.
> In NSW after the recent election they are having an audit on whether
> they have an effect on statistics, but I doubt anything will change.
My stats seem to be categorical (unless they are made up):
"Automated speed enforcement systems are triggered when a vehicle
exceeding the speed limit by a predetermined amount is observed.
Moreover, the proportion of vehicles exceeding the speed limit by more
than 10 mph declined 82 percent."
http://www.iihs.org/laws/cameramap.aspx
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TOPIC: Active Directory in Windows 2003 Server
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Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 3:45 am
From: "webtech.ashish webtechnoworld"
Hi All,
Active Directory installation in windows 2003 server posted...
Take a look at-
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______
Ash
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TOPIC: hello
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 6:42 am
From: 凯 刘
I am a student,bought <Neural networks and learning machines>last
week.But I am puzzled with exercises.Could you give me an instructor's
solutions manual for Neural networks and learning machines? If you
help me,I will happy and I can help others.Thank you very much!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 7:51 am
From: "Bill"
"凯 刘" wrote in message
>I am a student,bought <Neural networks and learning machines>last
> week.But I am puzzled with exercises.Could you give me an
> instructor's
> solutions manual for Neural networks and learning machines? If you
> help me,I will happy and I can help others.Thank you very much!
And when you get a job after finishing school, will you want "help"
with that as well?
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TOPIC: Where's the solidarity of the American Christians with the Mexican
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Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 8:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 24, 2:32 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> What about a very small nation whose existence is based on a specific
> denomination of Christianity?
> And, that Christian denomination is unique in requiring its priests to
> not marry and to not "have sex" with any fellow Earthlings? (With
> enforcement against "having sex with others" being greater if the
> "others" are adults as opposed to children - as I see the news?)
Yeah, but they are not evil people per se. They are just prisoners of
their own traditions, like we are too!
By that token only followers of Tantra --like me-- are worth
saving. ;)
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TOPIC: "Bankrupt" California: OK for illegals to use welfare checks to buy
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Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 10:59 am
From: walt tonne
On Apr 23, 11:41 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
<GWashing...@teapartycentral.net> wrote:
> Welfare checks can be used to buy alcohol and cigarettes in California
>
> "Senator Dutton also explained that more
> than half of welfare beneficiaries are
> parents who are no longer eligible for
> state aid, but still receive cash assistance
> on behalf of their anchor baby children."
>
> By Kimberly Dvorak
> San Diego County Political Buzz Examiner
> April 19th, 2011
>
> On a straight party-line vote California lawmakers gave the green light
> for welfare recipients to purchase alcohol and tobacco products using
> taxpayer money. The insanity in the Golden State continues despite the
> state's $23 billion deficit and double-digit unemployment.
>
> Recently California changed the way it disperses food stamps. In an
> effort to take the stigma away from food stamps the state issues
> welfare beneficiaries with an Electronic Benefits Card which look and
> work like an ATM card.
>
> The Golden State doles out welfare benefits through the CalWORKS
> program. In the past welfare recipients were not allowed to buy beer
> and cigarettes, but compassionate state lawmakers decided it wasn't
> fair to stop TAXPAYER money from being used to subsidize non-essential
> bad habits.
>
> "You would think a simple common sense reform like trying to make sure
> taxpayer money is not used for the purchase of alcohol and tobacco
> would find bi-partisan support," said GOP State Senator Bob Dutton.
>
> No such luck in California, Dutton, SB417's sponsor saw his legislation
> to save taxpayer money fail on a straight party-line vote.
>
> California's EBT/ATM card caught national attention last year when the
> Los Angeles Times uncovered several documents proving the welfare cards
> were being used for vacations to Hawaii, Las Vegas and strip clubs.
> Former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger quickly quashed the
> vacation perks, but failed to stop the alcohol or cigarette buying
> ability.
>
> "These funds are designed help the neediest in California meet their
> basic requirements of providing food, clothing and shelter," Senator
> Dutton quipped. "I doubt there's not a taxpayer in this state who
> believes purchasing alcohol or tobacco with welfare money constitutes a
> basic need and should be allowed."
>
> Senator Dutton also explained that more than half of welfare
> beneficiaries are parents who are no longer eligible for state aid, but
> still receive cash assistance on behalf of their anchor baby children.
>
> Advertisement "With over half of the caseload consisting of
> 'child-only' cases, it is unconscionable to allow designated caregivers
> the ability to purchase tobacco and alcohol products on behalf of a
> minor," Senator Dutton said. "I was quite frankly surprised that
> Democrats believe that this practice should continue. I remain
> committed to continue working on real reform measures, like SB 417, to
> ensure that all taxpayer money is used as it is intended," Senator
> Dutton concluded.
>
> In an effort to reform welfare Senator Dutton sought the assistance of
> the California Grocers Association to implement a ban on alcohol and
> tobacco purchases with the state's EBT/ATM card.
>
> This year California taxpayers will support nearly 600,000 families by
> enrolling them into CalWORKS. The program disperses more than $100
> million to help welfare recipients purchase groceries.
>
> Something else taxpayers should consider is that California Governor
> Jerry Brown is seeking to raise the tobacco tax another dollar in order
> to fund cancer research; while Democrat Senator Alex Padilla already
> introduced a bill to raise the cigarette tax by a whopping $1.61 to be
> used to curb smoking. Neither program will cut the $23 billion deficit.
>
> http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/welfare-check
> s-can-be-used-to-buy-alcohol-and-cigarettes-california#ixzz1KPMOocvt
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> What Would America's Founders Say?
>
> The two enemies of the people are criminals
> and government, so let us tie the second down
> with the chains of the Constitution so the
> second will not become the legalized version
> of the first.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> plow for those who do not.
> --Thomas Jefferson
>
> It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> men.
> --Samuel Adams
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain
> the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> in government.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> A free people ought not only to be armed and
> disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> independence from any who might attempt to
> abuse them, which would include their own
> government."
> -- George Washington
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> the slaughter.
> -- George Washington
>
> When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> commit crimes.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> populace.
> -- James Madison
>
> If the representatives of the people betray
> their constituents, there is then no resource
> left but in the exertion of that original
> right of self-defense which is paramount to
> all positive forms of government ... The
> citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> without concert, without system, without
> resource; except in their courage and despair
> ... The natural strength of the people in a
> large community, in proportion to the artificial
> strength of the government, is greater than in a
> small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> of good conscience to remain silent.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> are its only safe depositories.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> Action will delineate and define you.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> stand on does not constitute so strong an
> attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> of our monied corporations which dare already to
> challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more
> dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> forms of government those entrusted with power
> have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> it into tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> called "political correctness":
>
> Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> are so often used, are but three different names
> for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> --John Adams
>
> --
Remove the pestilance of illegal aliens from America.
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