Monday, February 9, 2015

Digest for misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com - 5 updates in 2 topics

KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Feb 09 02:34PM

Secure makes denture adhesive strips which I've found quite effective in my
few trials. Problem is, I can't find a local store carrying them. Secure
web site buying suggestions no help. Ordered some from Walmart. Thought
they sent stuff to store at no charge for pickup. They mailed to my house
and I had to pay the usual high shipping costs. High for a less than $10
item. No options when I ordered them for store pickup. Any additional
shipping costs makes them too expensive for my budget. The base price is
too high as it is. The sales tax is bad enough.
 
I tried emailing Secure using the address on their web site to see if there
was a local store carrying their products. Twice. No response. Can't
understand why. I suspect a USPS mailed letter would not be answered
either.
 
I tried Google with no help that I could see.
 
Suggestions?
 
TIA
 
 
--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston): Feb 09 07:17PM -0600

In article <XnsA43C4D1ECEEFBinvalidcom@130.133.4.11>,
>Secure makes denture adhesive strips which I've found quite effective in my
>few trials. Problem is, I can't find a local store carrying them.
[ ... ]
>either.
 
>I tried Google with no help that I could see.
 
>Suggestions?
 
Amazon shows a bunch of hits if you search for "secure denture strips".
 
 
 
Gary
ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Feb 08 08:57PM -0800

On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 7:45:00 AM UTC-6, CanopyCo wrote:
 
> > > I never use coupons, and I easily stay under $200 a month for one person and often two people.
 
> > You're not as smart as you seem to think you are. Coupons CAN save you money and keep you under $200 per month.
 
> Not unless you are one of those fools that always buy name brand.
 
My store, a LARGE chain, sends me amny, many store brand coupons. Lots of large chains do this.
 
> Buying 50 news papers at $2 a paper too get 50 coupons to save 10 cents per coupon isn't saving you anything because of the cost of the news paper.
 
Who buys a newspaper to get coupons?
 
> And buying a printer and using the web doesn't help me much either.
 
Why?
 
> Today they are having a sale on Campbell's mushroom soup and manwitch for $1 a can.
> Those are the only two name brand items that I can think of right off the top of my head that I use regularly.
> Can you come up with a off the web coupon good in Oklahoma for those items before the sale runs out?
 
Look at your grocery stores website if they are large enough to have one.
 
> I'll be buying 20 cans of each tomorrow.
 
Good grief.
 
> And before you start in on the double coupon racket, that isn't here and driving 50 miles to the nearest store that may do that isn't going to save me squat.
 
I never said anything about double coupons.
 
> While you are at it, look for some coupons on fresh squash, onions, bell peppers, potatoes, and just about any other fresh vegetables that you see in that part of the store.
 
I've never seen a n y store or ever heard of a n y store having coupons on fresh vegetables. Those you just have to watch the store ad and catch them on sale.
 
> I can cook, so I don't do the prepared crap food that most coupons are for.
 
> Much healthier food that way.
 
Manwich and Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup are healthy?? (Don't get me wrong, I like Manwich once in a while, too, and o use c.o.m. soup on occasion.)
 
> > Hey ace, check your marked down meat bin if you REALLY want some bargains.
 
> I do check those as well.
> However, the best spent money is on the fresh, up to date meat that is just on sale.
 
Oh please. Do you think they just ran outside and butchered that cow when they saw you drive into the parking lot or just wrung that chicken's neck? That stuff was processed days or weeks before.
 
I guess you've never heard of aged beef?
 
> Sure, you can buy meat that is hours from being spoiled.
 
Again, oh please. Before you post comments that make you look silly and clueless do a bit of research.
 
> You are either buying bones, fat, grilse, or paying more than $2 a lb.
> With the pork loin and the chicken barest you don't get any of the waste as well as the price.
 
How did bones and gristle get into this conversation? Did you fall out of your chair while typing and hit your head?
 
> > Try a FoodSaver system for better control of freezer burn and better use of your freezer space and no worry about dropping a jar and breaking it. Only a clueless man would use jars exclusively for storing food. <eye roll>
 
> Only a idiot of any sex would spend as much as 25 cents a bag to save 10 cents a lb on meat.
 
You are one of the MOST clueless people to have ever posted on 'how to save money and package food. Where did you get the 25 cent amount?? I buy FoodSaver bags by the rool and create my own. Oh, and those bags are washable and can be used again and again and again and completely airtight.
 
> Those bags are not reusable without risk, they cost every time you use them, are not better then the jars for freezer burn, and they don't do anything better then the jars other then let me be super clumsy and just throw my food around.
 
Baloney. Once again you are commenting on something you have NO knowledge of whatsoever.
 
> Buying cheep meat that is marked down 25 cents a lb, and then spending 25 cents a lb (or more) to store it doesn't save you anything.
> You may as well just go buy the more expensive better quality meat in the first place.
 
More baloney that proves you are COMPLETELY clueless.
> > *Snip*
 
> > There are MUCH better ways of storing food than your method.
 
> Too bad that you didn't bother to show any of them.
 
I just told you how to package food items to keep them at their peak but it just flew over your head like a low flying jet.
CanopyCo <Junk74020@aol.com>: Feb 09 07:00AM -0800

On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-6, ItsJoan NotJoann wrote:
 
> > > You're not as smart as you seem to think you are. Coupons CAN save you money and keep you under $200 per month.
 
> > Not unless you are one of those fools that always buy name brand.
 
> My store, a LARGE chain, sends me amny, many store brand coupons. Lots of large chains do this.
 
None here do that, and that is why you considering anyone not using coupons to be stupid is, well, just stupid.
Possibly I could do all my shopping 50 miles away and get one in the city to start doing that, but that won't work either if saving money is my end goal.
When they do send you coupons, do they send you 50 of them so that you can improve the use of the sales like I talked about?
No, just one coupon per item?
Do they send you coupons for itoms that they then put on sale?
No, they expire before the sale starts.
And that is better than buying bulk when on sale?
The math doesn't work.
 
 
> > Buying 50 news papers at $2 a paper too get 50 coupons to save 10 cents per coupon isn't saving you anything because of the cost of the news paper.
 
> Who buys a newspaper to get coupons?
 
Anyone in Oklahoma using coupons.
 
 
> > And buying a printer and using the web doesn't help me much either.
 
> Why?
 
Because the printer and ink take up the savings on the few coupons that would apply to my food buying.
 
> > Those are the only two name brand items that I can think of right off the top of my head that I use regularly.
> > Can you come up with a off the web coupon good in Oklahoma for those items before the sale runs out?
 
> Look at your grocery stores website if they are large enough to have one.
 
Wall-mart, nope, no coupons on that item.
None of the grocery stores that are running the sale also have coupons on the sale item.
They don't do that.
I don't know of any that do.
The coupon is a offer to let the holder get the sale price when no sale is on.
But they expire before the sale starts.
They don't want to give twice that discount.
Store coupon or sale, but never both.
Your only hope on that gig is to find a store that will match prices.
Here that is just wall-mart.
25 miles away, 50 round trip.
I better buy a couple hundred if I'm going to save money doing that (gas prices) instead of just going 5 miles to my usual store that is running the sale.
And by the time that I get around to using the last 50, they will be out of date.
 
Or I could just buy 20 cans while they are half price.
That will last me pretty much all year for that item.
 
 
> > I'll be buying 20 cans of each tomorrow.
 
> Good grief.
 
You think buying in bulk while the price is cheap is a bad idea?
 
 
> > And before you start in on the double coupon racket, that isn't here and driving 50 miles to the nearest store that may do that isn't going to save me squat.
 
> I never said anything about double coupons.
 
That is one of the few ways to actually save money with coupons.
You didn't mention it, and I did because I already explored that rout.
It didn't work here.
 
 
> > While you are at it, look for some coupons on fresh squash, onions, bell peppers, potatoes, and just about any other fresh vegetables that you see in that part of the store.
 
> I've never seen a n y store or ever heard of a n y store having coupons on fresh vegetables. Those you just have to watch the store ad and catch them on sale.
 
And yet you say that coupons are better than buying bulk when on sale?
I guess I'm expected to both increase the cost of my daily food while decreasing the health value of the food that I eat just so that I can use coupons?
No thanks.
I eat like a king (home cooked quality food) on less than most spend on eating like a child (already prepared junk food).
 
 
> > I can cook, so I don't do the prepared crap food that most coupons are for.
 
> > Much healthier food that way.
 
> Manwich and Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup are healthy?? (Don't get me wrong, I like Manwich once in a while, too, and o use c.o.m. soup on occasion.)
 
They are healthy if used properly and occasionally.
Those 20 cans of each will last me a year.
I use them as a flavoring sauce when baking meat.
Then I use that same sauce to flavor the rice that I put under the meat.
What is left of the sauce, I use as a soup for a late snack or jar to use on meat again later.
The manwitch is used the same way, except that I don't use it as a soup later.
 
> > However, the best spent money is on the fresh, up to date meat that is just on sale.
 
> Oh please. Do you think they just ran outside and butchered that cow when they saw you drive into the parking lot or just wrung that chicken's neck? That stuff was processed days or weeks before.
 
> I guess you've never heard of aged beef?
 
Beef?
Not only is it always tough, but it is also always expensive and full of bones unless it is hamburger.
Pork loin and chicken are never either one when I get them on sale.
You get beef for less than $2 lb?
Is it green or gray yet when you do?
 
And letting a chunk of meat get pawed by a half dozen unwashed hands while it sets out for days is not particularly appealing to me, even with the rapper.
Especially after it starts turning color.
 
And you can find enough of it to supply all your meat at less than $2 lb?
Buying on sale does for me.
 
You can butcher a animal and put it right into the freezer and it will last for years.
But freeze it and thaw it over and over and you start getting problems.
 
This is not to say that buying expired meat will not save you money.
Just that it won't save you money on all the meat that you eat.
Buying on sale will.
 
 
> > Sure, you can buy meat that is hours from being spoiled.
 
> Again, oh please. Before you post comments that make you look silly and clueless do a bit of research.
 
I did, that is why you are looking pretty clueless.
I checked both health as price routs, and both are showing less value gained when compared to boneless skinless chicken breast or pork loin for less than $2 lb that are both nowhere near there expiration date.
 
That meat is always just about to be tossed.
That is why they marked it down in the first place.
Ask the butcher what will happen to that chunk of cow if no one buys it today.
He will tell you that it will be in the trash in the morning, because it is expired and likely spoiled.
 
Just how long do you think you can leave a piece of meat in the refrigerator before it goes bad?
Days, yes, weeks, no.
That marked down meat is coming up on the weeks and that is why it got marked down in the first place.
 
 
> > You are either buying bones, fat, grilse, or paying more than $2 a lb.
> > With the pork loin and the chicken barest you don't get any of the waste as well as the price.
 
> How did bones and gristle get into this conversation? Did you fall out of your chair while typing and hit your head?
 
No, I was just not so stupid that I would think that buying meat never includes bone or grissle.
And that will be part of the overall value of the meat.
Let me guess, you think that buying a chunk of cow that is 25% bone and 5% fat for $4 lb is more frugal then buying pure lean meat from a chicken or pig for $2 lb.
 
Do you even know the meaning of the word frugal?
 
 
> > > Try a FoodSaver system for better control of freezer burn and better use of your freezer space and no worry about dropping a jar and breaking it. Only a clueless man would use jars exclusively for storing food. <eye roll>
 
> > Only a idiot of any sex would spend as much as 25 cents a bag to save 10 cents a lb on meat.
 
> You are one of the MOST clueless people to have ever posted on 'how to save money and package food. Where did you get the 25 cent amount?? I buy FoodSaver bags by the rool and create my own. Oh, and those bags are washable and can be used again and again and again and completely airtight.
 
That roll free?
No, it isn't.
And you never set down and look at how many inches you use per package and done the math to see how much per inch you pay for that plastic bag.
 
And you reuse that bag forever?
Really?
It never gets shorter as you cut off the sealed part?
 
I have jars that are over 10 years old and have been use at least 50 times.
How many of your bags have been used 50 times to store 50 different items over the past 10 years?
 
I open my jar and scrape out some red bell peppers and another jar for my green onions to cook in my egg omelet for breakfast this morning, and then put the jar right back into the freezer without thawing it.
I guess you think cutting off the top of that bag and getting them out and then resealing is it better.
You must keep your sealer out and plugged up all the time to do that.
 
Or you are just talking out your ass.
 
 
> > Those bags are not reusable without risk, they cost every time you use them, are not better then the jars for freezer burn, and they don't do anything better then the jars other then let me be super clumsy and just throw my food around.
 
> Baloney. Once again you are commenting on something you have NO knowledge of whatsoever.
 
No, I am showing just how clueless you really are on the subject.
You have not shown anything to support your belief that your freezer bags are better than the freezer jars.
All you do is talk shit.
 
 
> > Buying cheep meat that is marked down 25 cents a lb, and then spending 25 cents a lb (or more) to store it doesn't save you anything.
> > You may as well just go buy the more expensive better quality meat in the first place.
 
> More baloney that proves you are COMPLETELY clueless.
 
That proves that you are completely clueless or you would have shown how I am wrong instead of just talking shit and saying nothing of value.
 
Do the math.
Tell us how much you pay per inch for your bags.
We can tell for ourselves about how many inches it would take to store a lb of meat, or you can tell us how long most of the 1 lb packages that you have packed up are.
Then you will know how much you just paid to store that lb of meat.
I already know on the jars.
They are reusable and cheep to buy in the first place, so the cost per lb goes down every time you reuse that jar.
You can't reuse those bags nearly as many times as you can these jars, no matter how many times you try to melt the cut off part back on.
 
I'll tell you what.
Just to make it easy for you, post where you buy those rolls at the cheapest price just like I did the jars.
I'll do the math again myself, just in case you found a super low price that make it work.
 
We won't even talk about the cost of buying the sealer in the first place.
 
 
> > > There are MUCH better ways of storing food than your method.
 
> > Too bad that you didn't bother to show any of them.
 
> I just told you how to package food items to keep them at their peak but it just flew over your head like a low flying jet.
 
None of your statement have flown over my head.
I knew about seal a meal way back before I ever came here.
And I did the math, unlike you.
 
On top of that, you didn't show me a BETTER way to store my food.
Not cheaper or more efficient.
Just your more expensive way.
 
I'm starting to see why this group is dead.
The only poster chastises anyone that posts a idea while not showing anything that works better.
ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Feb 09 01:18PM -0800

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 9:00:46 AM UTC-6, CanopyCo wrote:
 
> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-6, ItsJoan NotJoann wrote:
 
> > My store, a LARGE chain, sends me amny, many store brand coupons. Lots of large chains do this.
 
> None here do that, and that is why you considering anyone not using coupons to be stupid is, well, just stupid.
 
I never once said that. Show me where I stated a person who does not use coupons is stupid. You said you don't use coupons. But you seem to be proud
YOU don't.
 
> Possibly I could do all my shopping 50 miles away and get one in the city to start doing that, but that won't work either if saving money is my end goal.
> When they do send you coupons, do they send you 50 of them so that you can improve the use of the sales like I talked about?
 
You must live out in the boonies if your store offers no coupons or any deals. My store sends me coupons based on my buying habits. I don't buy diapers and baby food nor dog food so no, they don't send me those.
 
> No, just one coupon per item?
 
_Usually_ I can use a coupon for 5 purchases of the same item.
 
> Do they send you coupons for itoms that they then put on sale?
 
Even if the items is on sale I can still use it.
 
> No, they expire before the sale starts.
 
Nope. You REALLY need to get out in the world more.
 
> And that is better than buying bulk when on sale?
 
Bulk buying is good if you have the space to store all that stuff and a large family to feed. I do have an upright freezer that is simply bulging. 99% of the stuff is packed in FoodSaver bags and looks like the day I bought it. Sealed tightly and no air penetrating those bags.
 
> > > Buying 50 news papers at $2 a paper too get 50 coupons to save 10 cents per coupon isn't saving you anything because of the cost of the news paper.
 
> > Who buys a newspaper to get coupons?
 
> Anyone in Oklahoma using coupons.
 
I'm having a hard believing that NO stores in Oklahoma don't have websites to download coupons.
 
> > > And buying a printer and using the web doesn't help me much either.
 
> > Why?
 
> Because the printer and ink take up the savings on the few coupons that would apply to my food buying.
 
As backwards as you are I'm surprised you even have a computer. I don't print off my coupons, they are downloaded to my shopping card. And a printer can be used for many more things others than printing out coupons.
> None of the grocery stores that are running the sale also have coupons on the sale item.
> They don't do that.
> I don't know of any that do.
 
Mine does.
> Your only hope on that gig is to find a store that will match prices.
> Here that is just wall-mart.
> 25 miles away, 50 round trip.
 
As I said above, you need to get out more.
> And by the time that I get around to using the last 50, they will be out of date.
 
> Or I could just buy 20 cans while they are half price.
> That will last me pretty much all year for that item.
 
You need to expand your menu as well.
 
> > Good grief.
 
> You think buying in bulk while the price is cheap is a bad idea?
 
20 cans is a bit much if you eat that much of that stuff.
 
> > > And before you start in on the double coupon racket, that isn't here and driving 50 miles to the nearest store that may do that isn't going to save me squat.
 
Once again, I never said anything about double coupons.
 
> And yet you say that coupons are better than buying bulk when on sale?
> I guess I'm expected to both increase the cost of my daily food while decreasing the health value of the food that I eat just so that I can use coupons?
> No thanks.
 
Manwich and Campbell's Soup is a healthful value?
 
> I eat like a king (home cooked quality food) on less than most spend on eating like a child (already prepared junk food).
 
I don't think so. The sodium in Campbell's soup is through the roof. The lower salt variety tastes like crap.
> Then I use that same sauce to flavor the rice that I put under the meat.
> What is left of the sauce, I use as a soup for a late snack or jar to use on meat again later.
> The manwitch is used the same way, except that I don't use it as a soup later.
 
Even if you can't shop wisely and cook healthy, please learn to spell MANWICH correctly.
 
> > I guess you've never heard of aged beef?
 
> Beef?
> Not only is it always tough, but it is also always expensive and full of bones unless it is hamburger.
 
You need to be looking for better quality meat and perhaps it's not as the store you frequent.
 
> Pork loin and chicken are never either one when I get them on sale.
> You get beef for less than $2 lb?
> Is it green or gray yet when you do?
 
Absolutely not.
 
> And letting a chunk of meat get pawed by a half dozen unwashed hands while it sets out for days is not particularly appealing to me, even with the rapper.
> Especially after it starts turning color.
 
My meat is packaged in Styrofoam trays and wrapped in plastic. Yours isn't???? And once it's home it's repackaged into FoodSaver bags. Clean, clean, clean!
 
> And you can find enough of it to supply all your meat at less than $2 lb?
> Buying on sale does for me.
 
I sure can! You need to take a knowledgeable woman with you to show you how to snag some bargains.
 
> You can butcher a animal and put it right into the freezer and it will last for years.
> But freeze it and thaw it over and over and you start getting problems.
 
Who is doing that but a dumbass or a clueless man????????????????
 
> This is not to say that buying expired meat will not save you money.
> Just that it won't save you money on all the meat that you eat.
> Buying on sale will.
 
More baloney.
 
> > Again, oh please. Before you post comments that make you look silly and clueless do a bit of research.
 
> I did, that is why you are looking pretty clueless.
> I checked both health as price routs, and both are showing less value gained when compared to boneless skinless chicken breast or pork loin for less than $2 lb that are both nowhere near there expiration date.
 
Cite your sources.
> That is why they marked it down in the first place.
> Ask the butcher what will happen to that chunk of cow if no one buys it today.
> He will tell you that it will be in the trash in the morning, because it is expired and likely spoiled.
 
No it's not.>
 
> Just how long do you think you can leave a piece of meat in the refrigerator before it goes bad?
> Days, yes, weeks, no.
> That marked down meat is coming up on the weeks and that is why it got marked down in the first place.
 
My grocer puts meat fresh meat out on Monday, if not sold by Thursday it is marked down. The date is on ALL the packages.
> > > With the pork loin and the chicken barest you don't get any of the waste as well as the price.
 
> > How did bones and gristle get into this conversation? Did you fall out of your chair while typing and hit your head?
 
> No, I was just not so stupid that I would think that buying meat never includes bone or grissle.
 
Gristle in my meat.
 
> And that will be part of the overall value of the meat.
> Let me guess, you think that buying a chunk of cow that is 25% bone and 5% fat for $4 lb is more frugal then buying pure lean meat from a chicken or pig for $2 lb.
 
I don't buy cheap meat like you are citing.
 
> Do you even know the meaning of the word frugal?
 
I certainly do!
 
> > You are one of the MOST clueless people to have ever posted on 'how to save money and package food. Where did you get the 25 cent amount?? I buy FoodSaver bags by the rool and create my own. Oh, and those bags are washable and can be used again and again and again and completely airtight.
 
> That roll free?
> No, it isn't.
Two 11 feet rolls for $15 and they can be bought cheaper on eBay.
 
> And you reuse that bag forever?
> Really?
> It never gets shorter as you cut off the sealed part?
 
Yes, it gets shorter but it is used many times before being tossed.
 
> I have jars that are over 10 years old and have been use at least 50 times.
> How many of your bags have been used 50 times to store 50 different items over the past 10 years?
 
Sveral.
 
> I open my jar and scrape out some red bell peppers and another jar for my green onions to cook in my egg omelet for breakfast this morning, and then put the jar right back into the freezer without thawing it.
> I guess you think cutting off the top of that bag and getting them out and then resealing is it better.
 
I freeze PORTIONS in those bags that will be cooked when the bag is opened.
 
> You must keep your sealer out and plugged up all the time to do that.
 
Nope.
 
> Or you are just talking out your ass.
 
Talking from experience
 
> No, I am showing just how clueless you really are on the subject.
> You have not shown anything to support your belief that your freezer bags are better than the freezer jars.
> All you do is talk shit.
 
Ever notice your grocer uses a vacuum sealer for many of their products? OOPS, sorry, you live in a one horse town that doesn't have up to date markets.
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