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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 14 2007 11:44 pm
From: BobK207

On Jul 14, 4:10 pm, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "clams casino" <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:I4bmi.14283$EZ1.12455@newsfe18.lga...
>
> > BobK207 wrote:
>
> >>Is that better?
>
> > It's just ironic that you were beating up on cari_r about "sloppy posts".
>
> <sigh> Whats a mother to do.... just can't take them anywhere
>
> *PLONK*

>>><sigh> Whats a mother to do.... just can't take them anywhere <<<<

An amazingly creative response. Complete with the obligatory *PLONK*

How cute!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 6:02 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Sure wish you'd stop spamming the list with your endless plonk
notices. Just do it, and don't tell us all about it. These news
groups can be read all over the world by people with computers.
Do you REALLY think that the entire world needs to be notified
that a particular poster won't appear on one computer, in one
house in one state in one country? I don't....

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:64SdnTWyYpx5ygTbnZ2dnUVZ_qemnZ2d@comcast.com...
: *PLONK*
:
:

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TOPIC: A cool idea for sleeping at night . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/818300cc252bdd96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 12:45 am
From: Auntielle

Just a warning about the "Chillow" pillow. First of all, my husband
bought me 4 of them, when I was going thru some medical difficulties
that caused me to be unbearably hot. I rotated them during the night,
and they were HEAVENLY!!!
However, I made the mistake of sleeping on my side, with a Chillow in
direct contact with my ear. I ended up with a ruptured eardrum, due to
fluid collecting as a result of my ear getting too cold. The pain was
unbelievable.
So please, the chillow is great... just don't sleep with it directly
on your ear.
Good luck,
Auntielle
*I know, I should've known better, but I was so unbearably HOT, I just
wanted relief!

On Jul 9, 7:10 pm, "teleflora" <telefl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I finally broke down and bought a Chillow last year. I don't think I could
> sleep without it now.
>
> http://www.smarthome.com/3203.html
>
> Cindy
>
> "pc" <p...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2nzki.21655$p7.17229@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>
> > Tockk wrote:
> >> I saw a movie where some folks went to bed with hot water bottles to keep
> >> warm in winter. That got me thinking . .
>
> >> So, I took one of the blue ice bags in my freezer, wrapped it in a small
> >> towel, and slept with that in this hot weather. I won't say that it's
> >> the cure for the hot weather sweats, but it helps.
>
> > We were just talking about this last night.
>
> > I have a wacky internal thermostat and that, combined with the Florida
> > heat and humidity, has me awaken in a major sweat at least six times a
> > night.
>
> > I really like a cold pillow. And I recently saw two pillows that sort of
> > verged on fixing the hot pillow problem.
>
> > One had an opening through the side where you could put an icepack. But, I
> > didn't like the idea of the dampness that would seep into the pillow.
> > The other was made with 'Coolmax' material which wicks moisture away. It
> > claimed it would keep you cooler..but I don't really think it would make a
> > difference.
>
> > Too bad there isn't some sort of dry ice that I could put inside the
> > pillow!
>
> > PC [missing Vermont these days!]- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: sweat as a frugal substitute for shaving lather
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c6cb177ce66d6b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 12:59 am
From: Auntielle

On Jul 13, 2:56 pm, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6fmdnVp6x_UkNArbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote in message
> >news:0fCdnRM3mo0xewvbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> >> It works! Hot slimy sweat is slippery enough to lubricate the skin and soften
> >> the beard just about as well as shaving cream!
>
> > Any bar soap works fine.
>
> Maybe, but you have to go out and buy soap. Sweat is free.
>
> Don

Sweat may be free, but is also full of toxins. When you shave,
depending on the condition of the blade, you sometimes make
microscopic cuts in the skin. If your skin is sweaty, you are
introducing those toxins right into those microscopic cuts.
A swipe or two of bar soap does cost a few cents, but there is
something to be said for personal hygiene.
I suppose if I didn't brush my teeth until "fur" grew on them, the fur
would form a paste that I could brush my teeth with ... thereby saving
on toothpaste! (Sorry to be gross - trying to make a point). Sometimes
we can carry frugality a BIT too far!!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 5:05 am
From: "Don K"

"Auntielle" <auntielle1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184486386.541832.105910@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 13, 2:56 pm, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
>> "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6fmdnVp6x_UkNArbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote in message
>> >news:0fCdnRM3mo0xewvbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> >> It works! Hot slimy sweat is slippery enough to lubricate the skin and soften
>> >> the beard just about as well as shaving cream!
>>
>> > Any bar soap works fine.
>>
>> Maybe, but you have to go out and buy soap. Sweat is free.
>>
> Sweat may be free, but is also full of toxins. When you shave,
> depending on the condition of the blade, you sometimes make
> microscopic cuts in the skin. If your skin is sweaty, you are
> introducing those toxins right into those microscopic cuts.
> A swipe or two of bar soap does cost a few cents, but there is
> something to be said for personal hygiene.

I do shower immediately afterwards, so personal hygiene is not
an issue.

Don

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:46 am
From: "Roger Shoaf"

I don't know if my whiskers are softer than average or what, but my usual
routine is to remove the bulk of my beard in the shower by feel when I am
hot wet and soapy then when I get out of the shower, and my skin is still
damp I wet the razor and catch anything I missed in the shower.

The second shave is accomplished with a razor that is less than a week or
two old, and when it is time to replace it, I toss the one in the shower,
and cycle the one from the sink to the shower.

I seem to get the best life out of the Gillette disposables, the key is to
rinse them well and keep them dry.

I usually do not use aftershave, but on the occasions that I do, I prefer a
more subtle scent, so I dilute 1 part aftershave with 3 parts rubbing
alcohol and keep this in a small spray bottle.

__
Roger Shoaf

Important factors in selecting a mate:
1] Depth of gene pool
2] Position on the food chain.

"Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote in message
news:kKqdnRguJ7qnkAfbnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Auntielle" <auntielle1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1184486386.541832.105910@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 13, 2:56 pm, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> >> "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6fmdnVp6x_UkNArbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:0fCdnRM3mo0xewvbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>
> >> >> It works! Hot slimy sweat is slippery enough to lubricate the skin
and soften
> >> >> the beard just about as well as shaving cream!
> >>
> >> > Any bar soap works fine.
> >>
> >> Maybe, but you have to go out and buy soap. Sweat is free.
> >>
> > Sweat may be free, but is also full of toxins. When you shave,
> > depending on the condition of the blade, you sometimes make
> > microscopic cuts in the skin. If your skin is sweaty, you are
> > introducing those toxins right into those microscopic cuts.
> > A swipe or two of bar soap does cost a few cents, but there is
> > something to be said for personal hygiene.
>
> I do shower immediately afterwards, so personal hygiene is not
> an issue.
>
> Don
>
>

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TOPIC: Where to buy cables
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c33d0f4b582a49f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 4:06 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <Yghmi.694$Qt6.255@newsfe06.lga>,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

> kramer31 wrote:
>
> > Hi. I've been looking for a cheap place to buy computer/electronic
> > cables. Most brick-n-mortar stores charge about 3 times what the
> > cables should cost and most websites have great prices but charge
> > about $10 of shipping. I usually only need about 1 cable at a time.
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Computer swap meets used to be the place to buy stuff like that, but I
> haven't been to one in a long time. The 99-Cents-Only stores have various
> kinds of cables for 99 cents.

So does Wal-Mart, believe it or not. Not quite that cheap though, but
not bad either.

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TOPIC: Ruling may hurt discount pricing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 4:15 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <4699a157$0$28153$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"Wilson" <wilson@universal.com> wrote:

> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2007-06-28-supreme-co...
>
> Ruling may hurt discount pricing
>
>
> By Christine Dugas, Jayne O'Donnell and Laura Petrecca, USA TODAY
>
>
>
>
> Bargain hunters may find fewer deals on high-end apparel, accessories
> and electronics following a Supreme Court ruling Thursday.
>
>
> The 5-4 decision overturned a 96-year-old law that prevented
> manufacturers from setting minimum retail prices. The majority wrote
> that lifting the pricing ban could benefit consumers if retailers offer
> better service or selection.

I don't see what the big deal is. I have read plenty of comments from
retailers that they would love to offer lower prices, but the
manufacturer wouldn't permit it.

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TOPIC: يا اخي المسلم يا اختي المسلمه
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 5:10 am
From: شادي الجداوي

يا اخي المسلم يا اختي المسلمه الا تخافون
من الله اذن لماذا تنشرون الفساد في الارض و بين
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صنعت أبوء لك بنعمتك علي وأبوء لك بذنبي فاغفر لي فإنه لا يغفر الذنوب
إلا أنت}

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TOPIC: FINANCE guru SPEAKS!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 5:14 am
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TOPIC: Instantly Turn your Computer into a Super TV

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7dda214d6208c036?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 6:11 am
From: jeniffer

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:30 am
From: George Grapman

Great save for two minor problems:

Technologically impossible.

Contact info consists of sending them an email.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:56 am
From: Anthony Matonak

George Grapman wrote:
> Great save for two minor problems:
> Technologically impossible.
> Contact info consists of sending them an email.

There is always the reverse... :)
WebTV, Instantly turn your TV into a Computer!

Anthony

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:20 am
From: George Grapman

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>> Great save for two minor problems:
>> Technologically impossible.
>> Contact info consists of sending them an email.
>
> There is always the reverse... :)
> WebTV, Instantly turn your TV into a Computer!
>
> Anthony

A computer that gets you on the net and nothing else.

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TOPIC: A Nice Life www.nicelifefund.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/31ad91df7a2ad270?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:29 am
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:24:57 -0700, jerm3462@yahoo.com wrote:

>The Delusion: A Million Generous People Might Each Give Me A Dollar,
>If I Asked Them Nicely.

There's one born every minute.

--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:33 am
From: George Grapman

Patricia Martin Steward wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:24:57 -0700, jerm3462@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> The Delusion: A Million Generous People Might Each Give Me A Dollar,
>> If I Asked Them Nicely.
>
> There's one born every minute.
>

the rest of the quote "......and two to take him"

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TOPIC: US woman arrested over dry lawn
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b2cd0e567110d99c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:32 am
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:46:48 GMT, Greg Rozelle <invaild@invaild.com>
wrote:
>
>Get real a 70 year resting arrest. Most people that old can not
>hardly move. A lot of people when they reach that age are senile.
>Some cops need to be more patients with older people. Some older
>people just don't understand things.

Some younger people are clueless.

--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.

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TOPIC: 32 ways to save when grocery shopping
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:46 am
From: gjensen

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On Jul 12, 10:13 pm, Ablang <ron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 32 ways to save when grocery shopping
>
> By Bankrate.com
>
> # Trim your food bill by as much as 19 percent simply by shopping at a
> couple of different stores.
> # Don't "crisis cook." Shopping after work for the day's dinner gets
> expensive. Plan a weekly menu before shopping and watch your grocery
> bill shrink.
>
> - advertisement -
> # Don't waste money on prepared foods. Instead, prepare meals ahead of
> time and freeze them, or double a recipe when cooking, and freeze the
> second for a hectic day coming up.
> # Take the farmer's market approach: Buy produce that's fresh,
> inexpensive and in season. With less middlemen involved, you get good
> buys and your family gets the freshest food.
> # The highest markup items on the shelves are at about chest level.
> Reach up or kneel down to select the cheaper house or generic brands.
> # A grocery store's main aisles, like the paths to milk and bread, are
> usually strewn with high-priced land mines. Avoiding those pricey
> areas will really help.
> # Try to shop when you're alone. Those little helpers can quickly
> boost your bill.
> # Shop early in the day. You get through the store faster with your
> list and spend less.
> # Avoid shopping for food when you're hungry; you'll buy more.
> # Don't grocery shop when you're tired, you'll buy more sweets, more
> high-carbohydrates. When you're angry you go for crunch food, the junk
> food.
> # Buy on the markdowns and save as much as 20 percent.
> # Read your newspaper's weekly food section for local grocery sales
> and menu ideas.
> # Clip coupons. You'll also find coupons in women's and general-
> interest magazines.
> # Scout coupon swap-boxes, generally found at (surprise!)
> supermarkets, but also at some public libraries.
> # Take advantage of in-store coupon displays and the machines that
> spew them.
> # Log on to your supermarket's online home page for coupons.
> # Call the toll-free numbers on your favorite products' labels and
> tell the customer-service rep how much you enjoy them. Some reps will
> offer cents-off (or even free) coupons for the product itself; if not,
> ask.
> # Nab a newsie. Does your newspaper vendor just dump the inserts in
> unsold papers at the end of the day? If so, would he mind tossing a
> few your way?
> # Check out the wealth of national-brands coupon-offering services on
> the Web. They can save you money -- even the ones that charge nominal
> fees.
> # Seek out supermarkets that will double -- some super stores even
> triple -- the face value of manufacturers' coupons.
> # Try for triple plays. That's when you use a manufacturer's coupon
> and a store's own coupon.
> # Some retailers guarantee that if the item doesn't ring up at the
> correct price, you get it for free or at a discount. Pay attention to
> the details.
> # Avoid purchasing nongrocery items, such as painkillers, contact lens
> solution, etc., at a grocery store. You usually pay more.
> # Always get a rain check if a sale item is gone.
> # Know when your store marks down goods that expire, like meat and
> bread. The deal: Use them that night or freeze them.
> # Check your store for a small section where they discount products
> that aren't as popular as the manufacturer had hoped. This area can be
> a gold mine for bargains.
> # Shop with a calculator. That way, you can figure whether the unit
> price for a case lot is really cheaper than buying one of the same
> item.
> # Request price matching. Find a store in your area that will honor
> all competitors' ads. You'll save money, time and gas.
> # Beware of "discount store syndrome." Just because you're in a
> bargain store doesn't mean you're getting the best price on every
> item.
> # Check your receipts. No matter how careful you or the store staff
> might be, mistakes happen.
> # Always send in for the rebate on a purchase whether it's $2 or $50.
> It all adds up.
> # Put your savings to work. Whether it's a trip, a car or a savings
> account, have some specific goals for the money you're not spending on
> food.
>
> http://www.bankrate.com/nltrack/news/cheap/331Ways/DailyLife/grocerie...

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TOPIC: a point about China's problems
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c328870180227d9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:52 am
From: "D."

On Jul 13, 7:54 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:20:45 -0700, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to
>
> reply <mmea...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> >Maybe. The culture in Japan is different/better than the culture in
> >China, where deception is considered socially acceptable.
>
> Then you are in really deep trouble. Try buying Made in USA only.

No one is saying to "buy Made in USA only" . . . I think this Chinese
PaPaPeng misunderstands.

The fact is, people are starting to say "buy from Quality suppliers
only." Until China has its forecasted huge improvement in quality,
this will hurt their export market. And the argument that China can
become like Japan makes no sense to me. That's because the culture in
Japan lends itself to high-quality manufacturing (the same with
Europe, the States, etc). The culture in China has shown the world
that deception, lies, cheating, etc. is ingrained in society. You
can't have drastic change occur overnight when the issue stems from
culture. It will take far longer than some posters expect for China to
change its stripes. We are still at the tip of the iceberg as far as
new revelations go about Chinese tainted products and quality
problems.

I'm sure that there is plenty of deception and cheating in the USA, in
Europe, etc, but there has been enough time to separate those
practices from the product quality that results. We still see the
occasional apartment building crumble because it was built sub-
standard by cheating contractors . . . but when you go out for a
burger, you're not getting any cardboard in your meat.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:10 am
From: wyznike

On 7 15 , 11 52 , "D." <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 7:54 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:20:45 -0700, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to
>
> > reply <mmea...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> > >Maybe. The culture in Japan is different/better than the culture in
> > >China, where deception is considered socially acceptable.
>
> > Then you are in really deep trouble. Try buying Made in USA only.
>
> No one is saying to "buy Made in USA only" . . . I think this Chinese
> PaPaPeng misunderstands.
>
> The fact is, people are starting to say "buy from Quality suppliers
> only." Until China has its forecasted huge improvement in quality,
> this will hurt their export market. And the argument that China can
> become like Japan makes no sense to me. That's because the culture in
> Japan lends itself to high-quality manufacturing (the same with
> Europe, the States, etc). The culture in China has shown the world
> that deception, lies, cheating, etc. is ingrained in society. You
> can't have drastic change occur overnight when the issue stems from
> culture. It will take far longer than some posters expect for China to
> change its stripes. We are still at the tip of the iceberg as far as
> new revelations go about Chinese tainted products and quality
> problems.
>
> I'm sure that there is plenty of deception and cheating in the USA, in
> Europe, etc, but there has been enough time to separate those
> practices from the product quality that results. We still see the
> occasional apartment building crumble because it was built sub-
> standard by cheating contractors . . . but when you go out for a
> burger, you're not getting any cardboard in your meat.
>
> D.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:10 am
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On 7 14 , 2 04 , max <betat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> This isn't rocket science, but on the other hand, most people aren't rocket
> scientists either, so...
>
> This whole China Poison Train dustup is a bit of a double edged sword, after
> a fashion.
>
> On the one hand, the international community is filled with a mix of
> shadenfreude and horror at the revelations of the utterly unsatisfactory
> practices of *some* Chinese food manufacturers, and by extension, non food
> manufacturers. "We" find our dismissals of Chinese products as worthless
> cheap crap vindicated on a daily basis.
>
> The Cheap Crap criticism has been almost the last buttress we have against
> Chinese products -- you can by chinese junk, or you can buy good (American)
> products.
>
> The net effect of the current dustup will be a Darwinian improvement of
> quality of Chinese products, and this will further pressure American
> manufacturers, who still won't be able to compete on a labor cost basis.
>
> Remember, we used to dismiss Japanese products with almost exactly the same
> criticisms in the 50's, 60's and 70's. The next five years are likely to
> see a quantum leap in aggregate Chinese quality. We already have some damn
> fine Chinese made products on the market, and the number is about to get
> significantly bigger.
>
> The Chinese should improve their product safety and quality, and we will be
> fools if we think that won't happen, and bigger fools if we don't forsee the
> long range consequences to our balance of trade.
>
> .max

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