Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Sunday, July 22, 2007

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TOPIC: Walmart
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 3:19 pm
From: "teleflora"

Are you kidding? I've had clerks wave me into their line when it's obvious
I've got more than the "allowable".

I don't think they care. I think it's more of a suggestion than anything
else.

Cindy

<bob@coolgroups.com> wrote in message
news:1185002511.836210.325030@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I was wondering if anyone knows if Walmart has an official policy for
> dealing with people who go in the 10 item or less lane with 50 or so
> items. I always get stuck behind these people, and the cashiers just
> check them out as if nothing was wrong.
>

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 3:47 pm
From: "arkienurse"

"teleflora" <teleflora@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Are you kidding? I've had clerks wave me into their line when it's
> obvious I've got more than the "allowable".
>
> I don't think they care. I think it's more of a suggestion than anything
> else.
>
> Cindy
>

Me too. On 2 separate occasions when I obviously had my buggy full, and was
already standing in the regular line I have had express lane checkers come
and get me to go in their line.

Vicky

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 5:33 pm
From: Beeblebrox

The Real Bev wrote:
> Don K wrote:
>
>> "Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote in message
>> news:1185078804.702780@news01.syix.com...
>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you say to the person in front of you that since you have
>>> 10 items
>>> or less do you mind if you could cut in front of them as you do have 10
>>> items or less and this is the 10 items or less lane.
>>
>>
>> Has that tactic ever actually worked for you?
>> From what I've seen, people become very defensive when it's pointed out
>> they're doing something wrong. Often they turn it around and make it out
>> like you're the rude one for complaining.
>>
>>> That should get the attention of the discourteous person. I suspect the
>>> cashiers are instructed to ignore the customers that do not pay
>>> attention to
>>> the sign.
>
>
> I'm sure they are. I asked one once.
>
>> That's true at all stores, not just Walmart. If they can get 90%
>> compliance
>> without any enforcement effort at all, that's probably good enough for
>> them.
>>
>> The thing to do if you want to change that is to talk to the manager
>> after you
>> go thru the line and suggest they take down the limit signs if they're
>> not
>> going to enforce them.
>
>
> No. As soon as you see somebody ahead of you with more than 10 items
> start yelling for the manager. Don't be shushed. Explain loudly why
> you need to speak to a manager NOW. Over and over again. Point to the
> offender with 12 items. Don't stop until you speak with a manager. Do
> it every single time you need to.
>
> Yeah, it might be embarrassing (or possibly fun), but it might also
> cause the offender to get out of line or convince management that they
> really should eject similar offenders. Either is a good outcome.
>
> If there isn't an open line I use the autocheckout machines. Not as
> fast as a regular checkstand, but faster than having to wait for one
> other person to check out. I hate the machine's sweetly reasonable
> female voice; there should be various options, perhaps a dominatrix who
> says "Put your merchandise into the sack, you miserable worm, and be
> quick about it."
>

lately the self-checks are always busy, with people who have lots of
stuff, and no idea how to work the machines. Annoying to have to go back
to the inept cashier as the best option around

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 5:42 pm
From: "Don K"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:KsPoi.28$QR4.13@newsfe05.lga...
> Don K wrote:

> If there isn't an open line I use the autocheckout machines. Not as fast as a regular
> checkstand, but faster than having to wait for one other person to check out. I hate
> the machine's sweetly reasonable female voice; there should be various options, perhaps
> a dominatrix who says "Put your merchandise into the sack, you miserable worm, and be
> quick about it."

I like to choose the Espanol option to brush up on my conversational skills.
mover tu plátano a la correa

Don

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:35 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <swPoi.31$QR4.7@newsfe05.lga>, The Real Bev wrote:
>Tim Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnfa750g.jjr.don@manx.misty.com>,
>> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>>> including that one. The other main checkout line issue was checkout line
>>> duration. (True!)
>>
>> I've occasionally seen at some stores where they have sped up the line a
>> bit by starting to scan the items from the next person, while the
>> current person is writing their check. Apparently, many modern checkout
>> systems have the ability to start ringing up the next customer while
>> waiting to finish the transaction with the previous customer.
>
>Costco does this sometimes during rush hour -- a guy with a hand-held
>scanner goes down the queue. Doesn't seem to make a mistake.
>
>> This has never been consistent. It seems that most of the people
>> running the registers either don't know about this capability, or just
>> don't want to bother with it.
>
>Why should they care? They're paid by the hour no matter how many customers
>they process. If they cared about such things they'd qualify for a REAL job.

Supermarket cashiers do get evaluated routinely on basis of items per
minute and customers per hour. Cashiers who routinely by any substantial
margin fail to do what other cashiers can will get replaced somehow or
another. Any supermarkets that don't do this will be at a serious
competitive disadvantage to those who do.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:47 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <a9SdnZtuEIJoOD7bnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, George wrote:
>Ward Abbott wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:42:01 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But they can't do that since "the customer is always right".
>>
>> No...they are NOT always right. Being a jerk doesn't make you right.
>
>It would be welcomed at Walmart. People can drag in obviously trashed
>power tools after they did a project and claim they were defective etc
>and be welcomed with open arms.

As I have heard it, Walmart sends the abused merchandise to suppliers as
defective. The suppliers have to eat these returns in order to continue
selling through Walmart.

As tough as Walmart is on payroll, they are also tough on suppliers.
One example: Google for: WalMart Vlassic Pickle

Top hits accuse WalMart as being why we no longer have Vlassic Pickles.

Other stuff I heard before: You supply a widget to WalMart, and a year
or two later WM says they expect a price drop from you. As in you have to
cut your price, replace your product with an improved version for similar
price, or sell your widgets only by means other than through WM.
I have even heard of consultants that advise product makers on how to
deal with Wal-Mart.

>That kind of stupid thinking has really changed the way people think. A
>relative manages an shop that sells upscale products. She often tells me
>about how rude and demanding (to the point of being ridiculous)
>customers have become because of Walmart.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Breast-Feeding: Private Act or Public Right?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 3:47 pm
From: "345" <345@spam.com>

Terry Austin <terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com> wrote:
> "345" <345@spam.com> wrote in news:46a3bfcc$0$2997$61c65585@un-2park-
> reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au:
>
>> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:27:02 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:469d75cb$0$29633$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> Urination is perfectly natural and performed by most men, women
>>>>>> and children as well. I don't have much of an opinion either
>>>>>> way on this issue, other than to say that the majority of the
>>>>>> citizens have a right to decide if it should be allowed in
>>>>>> public.
>>>>>
>>>>> pottying in public needs to be prohibited because of the disease
>>>>> factor.
>>>>
>>>> There is no 'disease factor'
>>>
>>> Depends what one means by "in public". There certainly is a disease
>>> factor if crap is flowing in the streets.
>>
>> Nope.

> There are a number of diseases, some of the nastier
> ones, transmitted by exposure to human feces.

It was piss being discussed, not faeces, and just
pissing in public doesnt 'expose' anyone to the piss either.

>> And it was piss being discussed not crap anyway.

> Urine, of course, is sterile, unless one is already quite ill.

So you have just got your shit all over your face, as always.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:04 pm
From: "Bob F"

<bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
news:bearclaw-33BD63.22481620072007@news.supernews.com...
> In article <8dydncTAKZGUsT3bnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:bearclaw-E175EE.21494019072007@news.supernews.com...
>> > In article <IIqdndN3tra7KgLbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Bob F"
>> > <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > if all who don't want children would abstain, there'd be no
>> >> > reason to choose anything. just don't do it unless you both
>> >> > want children.
>> >>
>> >> Get real! What a boring world that would be.
>> >
>> > You think a world without abused, sick, malnourished, neglected,
>> > shunned and otherwise unwanted children is boring?
>>
>> I'd hate to live in your world. There are plenty of ways to have
>> healthy and joyful sex without producing unwanted babies.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Surprise! You do live in my world. I sincerely appreciate it if you do
> not contribute to the mess. You certainly seem adept at stepping around
> it.
>
> But why waste your time driveling on Usenet when you could be out in the
> world spreading consciousness about healthy and joyous ways of avoiding
> the gravid condition? Start in Darfur, perhaps, or Somalia or Ethiopia.
> Oh, wait: those don't exist in your world. No children in your world too
> weak to brush away the flies that crawl across their eyes.

I could, but promoting birth control in foreign countries gets one into trouble
with the right wing wackos runing our white house.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:02 pm
From: William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt)

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:26 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:50:18 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:08:01 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason
>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>[snips]
>>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:55:37 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your speculation about what I might like to do seems a bit out of line
>>>> with what meant to convey. I was trying to say that without
>>>> considering the consequences of one's actions, one is doomed to suffer
>>>> them as a burden, whereas the realization and acceptance of one's
>>>> responsibilities allows one to more fully enjoy the actions that lead
>>>> to them.
>>>
>>>And I say all hail latex and abortions. Kids are for other people.
>>
>> Perfectly valid.
>
>Indeed. You want kids? Feel free - long as I don't have to put up with
>the little rotters.

I think my reproductive days are behind me, so you have nothing to
worry about on that particular front. But you may be in for a bit of a
disappointment if you think your decision not to have kids means you
won't have to put up them occasionally, because the fact that you were
once a kid means that you do.
>
>Case in point. Couple weeks back, we're out at a restaurant, not too
>fancy, but neither a Dennys. Some family in the back has a squalling
>monstrosity they can't control and won't, for some reason, gag.
>Meanwhile, not more than a mile down the road is a restaurant aimed
>squarely at kids - play spaces, screaming expected, etc. Kinda felt like
>smacking the parents upside the head and giving them a map to the other
>place.
>
>I look at it this way: *I* didn't tell you to drop a litter; why should
>*I* be subjected to the noisome emanations of your decisions?

I look at it this way: kids making noise is a given. Don't let it
*get* to ya..why should I be subjected to feeling guilty for your
having to endure something as certain as the sun rising in the east
every morning?

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TOPIC: looking for property in california
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 5:03 pm
From: Ward Abbott

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:16:00 -0000, irfansmith@gmail.com wrote:

>Any ideas where such a place could be ?

100K proably will be in your dreams. Quadruple that amount and
you might get in the ball park.

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TOPIC: help finding a modem & router lockable box
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 5:09 pm
From: Mosh

Hello.

I have a weird situation in my home with a DSL line modem and router
where we would like to have the modem and router working from and
located in a locked box, probably around 10" deep, 8 to 10" hight and
about 4 to 5" high. Hopefully, not interfering with the signal too
much (it doesn't have to go so far anyway). I was trying to google for
it but did not find anything. Maybe there is something out there that
will suffice us even if it was meant for something else. Would anyone
have any ideas or leads that I could follow?

Thanks!

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 5:11 pm
From: Mosh

On Jul 22, 8:09 pm, Mosh <moshe0...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I have a weird situation in my home with a DSL line modem and router
> where we would like to have the modem and router working from and
> located in a locked box, probably around 10" deep, 8 to 10" hight and
> about 4 to 5" high. Hopefully, not interfering with the signal too

Actually, I meant 4 to 5" wide.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 5:28 pm
From: Mosh

2 options which occur to me are 1. to make a box out of wood myself.
or 2. possibly buy some kind of tupperware container where I could cut
some holes to lock the lid to the container and some more holes for
the cable to go in. I don't need the greatest security, just a bit of
a deterrent and indication that all is okay.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:53 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <1185149478.412230.177470@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Mosh <moshe0613@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 22, 8:09 pm, Mosh <moshe0...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello.

>> I have a weird situation in my home with a DSL line modem and router
>> where we would like to have the modem and router working from and
>> located in a locked box, probably around 10" deep, 8 to 10" hight and
>> about 4 to 5" high. Hopefully, not interfering with the signal too

>Actually, I meant 4 to 5" wide.

Try searching for "home automation enclosure", where you can find something
like the surface-mount boxes here:

http://www.gruber.com/GruberInd/pg.asp?FeatureID=101

or:

http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&Webpage_ID=3&CAT_ID=65&ObjectGroup_ID=660&SO=2

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 6:34 pm
From: "Bob F"

"dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote in message
news:46a15921$0$12852$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>> news:gZaoi.3$Vc2.2@newsfe21.lga...
>>> dfr wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
>>>> They get to kill each other there instead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's what has me completely baffled.
>>>
>>> 1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they
>>> could cause much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because
>>> GW has told them to stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.
>>>
>>> 2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would
>>> claim visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.
>
>> I think you are missing something if you think Bush ever intends to leave,
>
> His intentions are completely irrelevant.
>
>> As soon as we leave, any chance of them passing and following
>> the proposed oil act will be gone. Then what would have been the
>> point of invading? They aren't building those permanent bases and
>> embassy for nothing.
>
> The shrub gets no say what so ever on leaving once he's been given the
> bums rush at the next election, he doesnt even get to run at the next
> election.
>
> So he gets no say what so ever on leaving.
>

Then again - maybe he's not planning on leaving. Or maybe he's sure he can steal
another election for his "man".

Bob

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 6:46 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Saddam was still shooting at our planes. He was violating the
>> ceasefire and UN agreements.
>> Just let him fester is your answer. Worthless. That's what Clinton
>> did. There is no answer you'll accept except Bush fucked up.
>> Bush made a Command decision. Something Clinton never did. Clinton
>> didn't do jack shit.

And Bush did the same with every warning about bin Laden before 9/11. Clintons
people told his that Al Queda should be #1 priority - Bush did NOTHING.

>>
>>> Clinton didn't get us into Iraq. You idiots want to blame everything
>>> on clinton.
>>> HE was 4x the quality of president that bushie is. Bushie and
>>> bushies crew ignored all the warnings from Clinton about Al Queda
>>> and all the other warnings
>>> he had before 9/11. He did NOTHING.
>>
>> And Clinton did what about it on his watch?
>> He had the police investigate. How many terrorist attacks
>> occurred on Clintons watch and what did he do?

He through the culprits in jail. Which is way more than Bush has ever done.

>
> Even slick would have done something post 9/11.
>
>> Guess what Bush did and is still doing? :-)

The wrong thing, obviously.

>
> Pissing an immense amount of money against the wall in Iraq to no useful
> purpose.
>
> And an unacceptable number of US lives too.
>
> His dad had much more of a clue about what made sense with Iraq.

It's not often I approve of anything you say Rod. Is this really Rod Speed?

>
>>> Let's see. 50% of the foreign fighters captured in Iraq are Saudies.
>>> Most of the
>>> 9/11 attackers were Saudies. Most of the Financing of Al Queda comes
>>> from Saudies. Good idea - lets attack Iran.
>>
>> The Saudi's have no nuke program. I see now. You're a "containment"
>> guy. That means you're willing to wait until a US city is vaporized
>> to maybe, maybe do something.
>> Preventing that is what sane people do. Iran's president has stated
>> exactly what they want to do. As have the terrorists.
>> You can ignore it. I find loonies typically do.

The loonies in the white house are doing everything in their power to promote
terrorism.

>
>> What Bush did was smart. History will bear it out.
>
> Nope, not with Iraq.

History will without doubt rate Bush II as this nations worst president.

>
>> Clinton will go down with Carter as another inept Democrat.
>
> Probably.
>
>> You can cherry pick whatever and hindsight all you want.
>
> It wasnt hindsight that saw W's dad avoid invading Iraq.
>
>> Fortunately people like you aren't in charge
>
> You too.
>
>> or we'd have had other 9/11s by now.
>
> Nope. It was never going to be repeatable once it became
> obvious what could be done with hijacked aircraft. No one
> will ever let their plane get hijacked again.
>
> Its moved on to much harder stuff to prevent like the london and madrid
> bombings now.
>

And when the next terrorist attack on America occurs, the right wing wackos that
support Bushie will say it's the Damocratic party's fault, despite the fact that
it will clearly disprove their "Fight 'em there" theory.

How the hell can they keep ignoring all the security agency reports coming out
saying how much worse off we are now?

Bob

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TOPIC: Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:08 pm
From: "Mark K. Bilbo"

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:48:20 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies involving more than 11,000 people found that taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tablets had no effect on the average person.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>
>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>
>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a medical
>>>>>>>> expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining vitamens via
>>>>>>>> vegetables is immensely better than any pill. Further, much of
>>>>>>>> what's on the market is dreck. At least in the US, the suppliment
>>>>>>>> market is totally unregulated and you can put pretty much
>>>>>>>> anything into a bottle and call it anything you want.
>
>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your veggies...
>
>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>
>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>
>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>
>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
>
>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>
>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>
>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are talking
>> about.
>
> Wrong, as always.

This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C not preventing colds
when we were talking about zinc. And whether supplimentation is an
effective way to otbain vitamens to begin with.

But, well, don't let *that* stop you...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.

"Climb out of your holes people!"

- Dr. House, on faith

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:09 pm
From: "Mark K. Bilbo"

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:50:13 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:55:10 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:47:03 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>>> <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:56:03 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:41:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>>>>> <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:58 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:15:00 -0400, "Wilson"
>>>>>>> <wilson@universal.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/
>>>>>>>> nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>> waste of time
>>>>>>>> and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies involving more
>>>>>>>> than 11,000 people found that taking the tablets had no effect on
>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>> Last month in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> See a previous response to another doubter which refers to a study
>>>>> published in "The Lancet".
>>>>
>>>> That's a meta-study. I'd be leery of jumping on a bandwagon with only
>>>> a meda-study holding it up. Especially not when double-blind trials
>>>> are showing no effect.
>>>>
>>>> The suppliment bunch retorted with, "The traditional scientific model
>>>> does not always apply to dietary supplements..."
>>>
>>> Which is a VERY strong pointer that the Scientific Results reflect
>>> reality!
>>>
>>> Whenever you hear that, it is RED FLAG time. They said exactly the
>>> same thing after each abject and utter failure of Homeopathy under
>>> "reality" conditions.
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yvlpyb
>>>>
>>>> Which sounds a lot like faith to me...
>>
>> I'm not jumping either way on this one, the studies are too conflicted.
>> But I'm leery of the suppliment industry. It's an industry riddled with
>> snake oil. Which is why a vitamen or herb can be effective but
>> suppliments are still useless. At least here in the US, nobody's making
>> them put anything in the bottle that has anything to do with what's on
>> the label.
>>
>> Plus, we in the US are too obsessed with magic bullets. We wanna pop a
>> pill, not have to, oh, eat right or something extreme like that...
>
> And there is nothing you can do that will ensure that you never get
> colds except stay away from everyone on some desert island or lighthouse
> etc, and thats not a very practical approach for the vast bulk of
> people.

Dear dimwit,

WE ALREADY KNOW THAT.

Sheesh.

Reading comprehension, try it...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:43 pm
From: "teleflora"

Hey, come on back when they present evidence that cigarette smoking is
actually good for ya, OK?

Cindy> 5 years smoke free and REALLY craving a cigarette this weekend.

"Wilson" <wilson@universal.com> wrote in message
news:469ee5c6$0$6588$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>
> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>
>
> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a waste of time
> and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies involving more than
> 11,000 people found that taking the tablets had no effect on the average
> person.
>
>
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:52 pm
From: William Souden

How many names has welfare Rod used in this thread? his own, "sam
jones" and the so clever "1,2,3".

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TOPIC: Currency exchange rates
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:34 pm
From: invalid@notreal.none (Beachcomber)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:25:51 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>> Something arrived in the mail which seems to make sense:
>>
>> I just returned from three weeks in England, Scotland, and Ireland.
>> In terms of dollars, everything you buy is at least 50% more
>> expensive. My belief that exchange rates will be the mechanism by
>> which trade imbalances are corrected
>

As long as you realize that many times, the high prices in Europe are
also supported higher wages and Europeans may be paying a lot more
taxes (gasoline, VAT, higher income taxes, import Tariffs, etc.).
These high taxes support the greater socialist model that European
countries expect, such as universal health care, expensive transit
projects, increased funding for the arts, etc.

Contrast that with many places in the US (Oregon and Florida) for
example, where people just don't like paying high taxes, may prefer
shopping at Wal-Mart or Costco, mostly ignore mass transit, tolerate
mediocre schools, and are offended when gas goes over $3/gal.
(Europeans generally pay the equivalent of $4- 5/gal).

The point is that there are many, many factors that set prices, wages,
and taxes. Some of it is cultural. Seldom is there a simple
explanation.

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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 7:42 pm
From: miles

Myal wrote:

> Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes to
> matters of life and wellfare ?
>
> is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ?

Why do you think the best way to help people is to make them dependent
on welfare. All that leads to is oppression. Wins votes from those
dependent though.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:12 pm
From: Myal

miles wrote:
> Myal wrote:
>
>> Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes to
>> matters of life and wellfare ?
>>
>> is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ?
>
>
> Why do you think the best way to help people is to make them dependent
> on welfare. All that leads to is oppression. Wins votes from those
> dependent though.

you prove the point , your mind cannot cope with any concepts beyond
work n welfare ....

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:35 pm
From: miles

Myal wrote:
> miles wrote:

>> Why do you think the best way to help people is to make them dependent
>> on welfare. All that leads to is oppression. Wins votes from those
>> dependent though.

> you prove the point , your mind cannot cope with any concepts beyond
> work n welfare ....

You prove my point by not answering the question.

You seem to not accept the fact that it takes money to live. Most of us
work for it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:03 pm
From: Branson Hunter

On Jul 22, 9:12 am, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News
>
> ted

Three messages and nothing said about the news source.. why not?
There is no balance to this news, not worth bookmarking.

Branson

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