Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 15 topics

Monday, August 13, 2007

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: starbucks humor
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0a8096ba9818ad7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 11:55 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9987D7234E72Fgreederxprtnet@199.45.49.11...
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:iJkui.7056$fk4.2281@trndny05:
>
>> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an
>> airport and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof
>> ordering a drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot
>> half-decaf extra hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked
>> sprinkle dinkle doo".
>
> And the overworked and tired barista looks the costomer
> in the eye and says "You want a regular coffee or I'll
> punch you in the head"
>
> ...If only.
>
>>GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"?
>> damn yuppies.
>>
>
> I love walking up to a coffee stand and ordering
> "Coffee Please".

and when you go to starbucks, tell them you don't speak fritalian.
>

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TOPIC: Motivating high-school students to join college
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d0a99ec5ae726fd3?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 12:47 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> what was your hard science degree in Rod?
>
>Physical chemistry.

undergrad only?

or did you get a masters or higher?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 2:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> what was your hard science degree in Rod?

>> Physical chemistry.

> undergrad only?

Nope.

> or did you get a masters or higher?

Yep, same field.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 2:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> me@privacy.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> what was your hard science degree in Rod?

>>> Physical chemistry.

>> undergrad only?

> Nope.

>> or did you get a masters or higher?

> Yep, same field.

And a research degree too, not just coursework.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:32 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

I would suggest to them that if that is really what they want to do,
take a year or two and try it, and then if they find it's not working
out, *then* they can go to college (and they will undoubtedly appreciate
it more, be more motivated to go, and do better).

Way back in the dark ages when I was young (and my oldest child just
turned 24), I heard someone say that they thought it would be a good
idea to enforce having all high school graduates go out and work in the
real world for a year before starting college, because that perspective
would be invaluable at knowing what they will be up against when they
finish college and will motivate them to finish.

m1@mailinator.com wrote:
>
> I realize the issue I am facing is not new and people in this group
> who are far more knowledgeable can guide me in encouraging the
> teenagers to pursue college. I would appreciate any advice.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 6:08 pm
From: "Don K"

<m1@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:1186967959.332366.319390@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> ...in Tallahassee, FL...
>
> In my area people who work for stores like Target, JC Penney people
> with high school diploma and 2-3 years of experience start with
> 50K(gross),

That's pretty good money for an area with a median family income of $30.5K.

I wonder why more families don't just take one of those $50K starter jobs over
at Target.

Don

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 8:48 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
...
> Way back in the dark ages when I was young (and my oldest child just
> turned 24), I heard someone say that they thought it would be a good
> idea to enforce having all high school graduates go out and work in the
> real world for a year before starting college, because that perspective
> would be invaluable at knowing what they will be up against when they
> finish college and will motivate them to finish.

I've heard something very similar in regards to mandatory military
service.

Anthony

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TOPIC: My swamp cooler / box fan . . . review
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0f6479deacc6ec73?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 12:55 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>I bought one of these a while ago:
>http://www.electric-fan.com/product/BFC2200.aspx

Interesting

Had no idea they even made such a thing!

But isn't Dallas a less than optimal place for it?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 12:57 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>I bought one of these a while ago:
>http://www.electric-fan.com/product/BFC2200.aspx
>for about 1/3 off, and it's been rainy and humid here in the Dallas area for
>the past while. Haven't had the chance to use it until yesterday, when it
>was hot and 33% humidity (according to the TV weatherman).

On thing I'm having hard time finding is a portable
fan that doesn't suck up dust form the floor and spew
it everywhere

Seems as most portable fans are made to set on the
floor. To my thinking sucking air form that area is NOT
a good idea...if you have allergies sand such

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 1:36 pm
From: skarkada@gmail.com

On Aug 13, 1:33 pm, "Tockk" <to...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As far as ability to cool a room, well, it's limited. I have two windows
> seperated by about 6 feet of wall space. I put the cooler-fan in front of

Two windows on the same wall and 6' apart? That is not a good
configuration (on a fluid dynamics perspective). Cooled air is being
flushed out immediately by the exhaust fan.

Keep all the doors and windows closed and use the cooler in the room
just like a fan. If you insist on fresh (outside) air, do one of the
following.

1) Keep the exhaust fan in a window as far away as possible from the
inlet window.
2) If the above is not possible, just remove the exhaust fan and close
the outlet window and you will be much better off.
3) Last choice, take out the exhaust fan from the window, keep the
window shutter open just 2 or 3 inches.

There is really no need to drive out the air - it finds its way out
all by itself.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:34 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Tockk wrote:
> I bought one of these a while ago:
> http://www.electric-fan.com/product/BFC2200.aspx
> for about 1/3 off, and it's been rainy and humid here in the Dallas area for
> the past while. Haven't had the chance to use it until yesterday, when it
> was hot and 33% humidity (according to the TV weatherman).

A swamp cooler does not work anywhere near as well in a humid
environment than in a dry one, but apart from that, we have one here in
northern California and it keeps the house nicely cool and hardly uses
any more electricity than when we had fans running all over the house.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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TOPIC: Anyone use icall (VOIP) free computer-to-phone calling?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1ec46194c9be582d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 1:07 pm
From: Dirk

www.icall.com

I read an article in the NY Times which mentioned "icall" as one of
the few or only, FREE computer-to-phone (anywhere in the U.S. or
Canada) programs. It is also one of the few where they say it may work
on dial-up. I have a very slow dial-up connection, but I was still
able to call friends' phones when they weren't home and listen to
their messages, or if I called them at home, hear them talk, but my
voice broke up to much.

Definately worth trying and I can't wait to try it when I get
broadband in a month or two. I use a mic, and earphones (instead of a
headset which I don't have) and the software was very clever in
setting things up for you, testing the mic etc. No addresses and
credit card numbers to sign up and start calling.

My question is, for someone who uses icall on broadband and can
RECEIVE calls. When you are online, and someone calls you on it, does
a screen pop up as you hear the phone ring? I get neither, because of
my very slow connection probably. Then again, the person was calling
me from a regular phone. Do they have to call in from a computer?

When I get wireless Broadband, I plan on ditching my land line,
hooray. I can't wait to say goodbye to it.

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TOPIC: Free email?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1801beacf16c0013?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:23 pm
From: Parallax

Jon v Leipzig wrote:
> Ken Knecht wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a free email provider? I already have Juno and
>> Gmail. Can I get a second account from either? I don't see anything
>> about this on my sign-in screens. I don't unederstand what Hotmail
>> provides - their sign-in site confuses me. Yahoo? AOL?
>>
>> Preferably one that doesn't want a bunch of personal info which is
>> liable to result in lots of spam, telemarketing and USPS junk mail.
>>
>
> myway.com

ureach.com (although their spam filters have gone to hell in the past
year or so)

Replace '???????' with 'hotmail' to e-mail me.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:22 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Ken Knecht wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a free email provider? I already have Juno and
> Gmail. Can I get a second account from either? I don't see anything about
> this on my sign-in screens. I don't unederstand what Hotmail provides -
> their sign-in site confuses me. Yahoo? AOL?

You can get a second account with Yahoo and with Gmail. I know nothing
about AOL, though. You probably can get a second account with Juno as
well, but I don't have much recent experience with them.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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TOPIC: Home Based Typist/Data Entry
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3f70a7190ca97e4e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:23 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Marie,

You do know, don't you, that the "position" they are advertising is
placing the same ad you just read and trying to reel even more suckers
in to pay for information on how to set up the same situation for
someone else, right? If you are in the US, go to the US Postal Service
site and look up "envelope stuffing scams," because it's the same thing.

mpalmer01@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi, I am interested in the above position. I have all the required
> skills & experience as outlined. My typing speed in 45 wpm with 100%
> accuracy.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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TOPIC: Bump on the road to a free iPod
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f6318a0edcf1e715?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:35 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9987D88B3ED28greederxprtnet@199.45.49.11...
> Hit my first bump on the road to getting a free iPod out of
> Key Bank. My employer won't split up my direct deposit
> between two banks. So now I have to figure out how to get
> $200.00 into the account without getting hit with a $5.00
> Teller charge, or a wire transfer fee, or an ATM fee. Hmmmm.

Can you set up an automatic transfer to Key Bank from the bank where
your paycheck gets deposited? My credit union accepted that as an
auatomated payment to get a free account.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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TOPIC: Efficient A/C use?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1bea26b2f7601d52?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 3:42 pm
From: "Don K"

<vmacekesq@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1186840950.665448.130960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> This is certainly a standard, old question but I figure I'd ask
> anyway:
>
> I've got a little (app. 900 sf) 2-bedroom 1-story house, insulated
> reasonably well - when I'm in I keep the thermostat at 82 degrees and
> with a fan in the room it's comfortable. When I leave for my 9-to-5
> job I bump the therm. up to 85, but at these temperatures the a/c is
> still going quite a bit in my absence (the place is certainly
> comfortable when I step back in, but it would be after a 20-mile
> commute).
> Is it more efficient to just shut the a/c off when I'm gone - does it
> take a lot of energy to bring the temp back down from a standing
> start, as it were?
>
> VMacek

Consider this:
After you cook your supper, have you ever considered keeping the
water boiling on the stove for tomorrow's meal?

No?
Why not? It's the same principle.

Don

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TOPIC: Flip this or that house
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a3302ca61670c82?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 4:10 pm
From: Rick

** Frank ** wrote:
>
> Flipping works when they purchase at 30 to 50% below market as shown on the
> TV shows. The best I've seen in my local area is around 20% below market
> (major fixer-upper) and with the carrying costs, renovation, closing and
> sales commissions, I think it's lucky just to break even. I also see couple
> of bank own properties (foreclosures) discounted at only 10% (also fixer
> uppers) so any profit goes to real estate commissions. I just watch those TV
> shows for the entertaining value and scratching my head about how those
> flippers buy properties at so much below market value.

Because they are usually shot in economically depressed areas with
relatively low overall market value homes. You will never see an episode
like that in the likes Boston or San Francisco.

Rick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 5:17 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 13, 4:10 pm, Rick <ricka...@rcn.com> wrote:
> ** Frank ** wrote:
>
> > Flipping works when they purchase at 30 to 50% below market as shown on the
> > TV shows. The best I've seen in my local area is around 20% below market
> > (major fixer-upper) and with the carrying costs, renovation, closing and
> > sales commissions, I think it's lucky just to break even. I also see couple
> > of bank own properties (foreclosures) discounted at only 10% (also fixer
> > uppers) so any profit goes to real estate commissions. I just watch those TV
> > shows for the entertaining value and scratching my head about how those
> > flippers buy properties at so much below market value.
>
> Because they are usually shot in economically depressed areas with
> relatively low overall market value homes. You will never see an episode
> like that in the likes Boston or San Francisco.
>
> Rick

Los Angeles is a low market value region? Hmm...and I do recall one
they did in Sacramento as well not too long ago. I can see what you
mean about SF or Boston; I'm presuming even a major dump is
outrageously priced to begin with so it'd be a very low profit margin.

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TOPIC: Did anyone catch the frugal episode of HGTV's Designstar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/46fa842405949c82?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 5:27 pm
From: Seerialmom

I couldn't wait to see this episode featuring one of my favorite
haunts, "The .99¢ Only Store". All the designers were given $399 and
99 minutes to shop; the room they were decorating had 3 white walls
and a generic Ikea white couch/coffee table. They could also spend
part of the $399 on 2 paint colors of their choice. The room only had
to have the illusion of style; not necessarily the function.

some of the designers used chili pods and pinto beans to make "rugs";
others used more traditional items like the candle plates and bamboo
that store has a gazillion of.

Myself...I think some were very creative in "repurposing" the items
but others could have done more; even if only 2 paint colors you could
still buy the following to make colors/dyes:

Beets, teabags, mustard.

Anyway...I'm sure it'll be repeated if you're interested.

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TOPIC: a great new websit look here
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/14357b4fb1402716?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 6:12 pm
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TOPIC: Double Strap Designer Handbag (Lady walking a Dog ...EBAY
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5c19550341e15149?hl=en
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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/911886124117ed11?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 12 2007 4:03 pm
From: "Paul Thomas"

"CanopyCo" <Junk74020@aol.com> wrote
> The idea that a person cannot live in less then 1000 sq. ft is funny

Yeah, especially since she can't take a shower.........

As I remember, there's no running water.......

'splain that one to your girlfriend's mother over dinner.

And I was under the impression that rednecks lived only in the south.

--
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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TOPIC: Are you Really Getting Vitamins in New Diet Coke Plus?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8faf755ca6771c4c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 13 2007 7:20 pm
From: Logan Shaw

clams casino wrote:
> Nevertheless, I've never tasted a diet drink that didn't taste (mostly
> after taste) like turpentine.

They do still have a bit of that nasty synthetic taste. But, they're a
LOT better than they used to be when they were made with saccharin.
Plus they have less of an aftertaste than the regular drinks that have
high-fructose corn syrup.

That said, I only drink them because I like them better than having water
all the time. For someone who doesn't like them, there would obviously
be no reason to partake. :-)

- Logan

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