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* Motivating high-school students to join college - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* For $6.00 you could make 5 people and YOURSELF RICH! - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Motivating high-school students to join college
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 12 2007 10:15 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Logan Shaw wrote:
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> But personally I think that while those things are true, a college
> degree is, on average, genuinely beneficial to your career. ...
My point of view is that it's the same reason you encourage and help
your kids learn CPR, wilderness survival, self defense and how to
use guns. It's better to have the skills and education and not need
it than to need it and not have it.
Anthony
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 12 2007 10:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>> http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf
>>> According to figure 3, the average high school graduate makes $1.2
>>> million over the course of their life. But the average college graduate makes $2.1 million. So
>>> I guess if you want to immediately put yourself at a disadvantage statistically, you should skip
>>> college.
>> Thats not necessarily a particularly useful statistic tho because
>> those numbers are biased against the dregs of the labor market
>> that dont even consider the alternatives and couldnt manage
>> college and so arent the situation those two kids are in.
> That point of view makes some sense. I'm sure there are some effects that work in that direction,
> i.e. some people go to college because they are smart, and some people do not go to college
> because they are not prepared for it enough to succeed there (never learned algebra in high
> school, that kind of thing).
Yeah, that's what I meant. Said it a bit too cryptically.
> And there are also probably some other related effects: young people whose parents take an active
> role in their life and try to help them succeed are more likely to encourage them to go to
> college.
And the other very important effect, the best of the kids will
inevitably end up in college a lot more than the dregs and its
hardly surprising that they end up with a better result jobs wise too.
> But personally I think that while those things are true, a college
> degree is, on average, genuinely beneficial to your career.
Really depends on the field you are interested in.
Its certainly true that with some fields you dont even get considered
without post secondary qualifications and without a degree etc.
Most obviously with medicine, the law, engineering etc.
There isnt much evidence that it helps any with small business tho.
> I personally dropped out of college, then worked for 6 or 7 years,
> then went back and finished college, then started working again.
I went the more traditional route, college immediately after school,
both a first degree and a higher degree with just vacation jobs etc.
> On several occasions during job interviews, potential employers have made positive comments about
> my going back to finish college. They seemed impressed that I was interested in finishing even
> though I had an established career without it. That is one of the main benefits of college:
> people look at your college degree and think, "There's someone who has followed through with at
> least one major thing in their life."
Thats also another area that varys with the job tho. Many small
business employers dont really value that sort of thing much and
plenty decide that those with degrees are too academic for
them and they prefer those with trade qualifications instead.
> Another major benefit is that you can look at yourself and when you are facing a challenging
> situation, you can say, "This is not as hard as college, and I finished college; therefore, I can
> finish this."
Dunno, most dont find college that hard. Its really just a
matter of putting the effort in rather than being that hard.
> And of course another benefit is that you actually learn things. In my particular case as a
> computer programmer, I actually learned things that are directly relevant to my job.
I got my degrees in the hard sciences and never used much
of that at all in a work situation. My research degree involved
computing extensively and I decided that it had a hell of a lot more
future than the hard sciences did employment and interest wise.
So I dont actually have any formal qualifications in computing,
essentially because in my era there werent any available.
Thats pretty common with many graduates in the
hard sciences in my era, which is well before yours.
I later got involved in teaching computing and very few of those who
did that had any formal qualifications in computing at that time. There
werent any degrees in computing until I got involved in teaching those.
>>> It might not hurt to also point out that college is for many people the most fun they have in
>>> their entire life.
>> Plenty find that is true in spades of their work.
> Sure, it can happen there too. But college is a great opportunity to do that and really get to
> know a wide variety of people from all over the world.
I saw a lot more of that in a work situation than in college.
>>> I can't figure out why someone would want to skip that.
>> There's plenty that dont find that appeals to them.
> I was like that the first time around. I went to college initially only because it was expected
> of me. Predictably, I did not do well.
> Later when I chose to do it because *I* wanted to, I did much, much
> better. So it would probably be good to stress the point that it
> often doesn't do much good to force someone to go to college.
Yeah, that's my main reservation with those two kids being discussed
in the original post, it might well be hard to sell them on college now
and it might well be a lot better to let them try what they want to do
and do the college later if they later decide it would be useful for them.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 12 2007 10:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
> ....
>> But personally I think that while those things are true, a college
>> degree is, on average, genuinely beneficial to your career. ...
>
> My point of view is that it's the same reason you encourage and help
> your kids learn CPR, wilderness survival, self defense and how to
> use guns. It's better to have the skills and education and not need
> it than to need it and not have it.
Its different to the school stuff tho because they can do the college later.
It isnt feasible to do that with basic literacy etc.
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TOPIC: For $6.00 you could make 5 people and YOURSELF RICH!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 12 2007 10:20 pm
From: DlaWeb2.0@gmail.com
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I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it.
A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you
are now,
and came across an article similar to this, that said, you could
make thousands
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So I thought, Yeah right, this must be a scam, but like most of us, I
was curious, so
I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6
names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name
and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in
at
least 200 newsgroups. (there are thousands of newsgroups) No catch,
that was it.
So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I
thought
about trying it. I figured, what have I got to lose except 6 stamps
and
$6.00, right?
So, I invested the measly $6.00 and 6 stamps. Well GUESS WHAT!!...
within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I
figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in.
In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of
the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third
week
I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth
week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still
coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have
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and
most importantly, why it works....Also, make sure you print a copy of
this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need
it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you
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and
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Mailing
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STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each
piece of paper;PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. Now get 6 US $1.00
bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill
will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next,
place
one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now
have
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phrase,
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creating
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about
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Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:
#1) Jerry Ferret
227 Audubon Avenue
New York NY 10033
USA
#2) Justin Verrengia
13300 Wagner Dr
Hudson Florida, 34667
USA
#3) Ronny Lebek
Hauptstrasse 77
78176 Blumberg
GERMANY
#4) Chris Bell
52 Church street
Langham, Oakham, RUtland,
England, LE157JE
#5) Edmundo Lopez
B.Guaracachi c/Los Tajibos #24
Santa Cruz de la Sierra-Bolivia
#6) Deborah Amstutz
2503 Kemp Ave
Kingman, AZ 86401
USA
Step 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR
Name as number 6 on the list.
STEP 3: Change
anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to
original
as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200
newsgroups.
(I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but
remember, the more you post,the more money you make!
This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18
Sec.
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for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again,
and again.
PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful
because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and
by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way.
If you
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many others have received will come your way.
NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to
you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send
you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it
might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the
risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions
carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their
participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name
will
move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1
position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an
opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people
listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're
in
business! ---DIRECTIONS
----- FOR HOW TO POST TO
NEWSGROUPS------------
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and
drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy'
from
the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's
memory. Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at
the
top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will
paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name
to
the list. Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you
want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have
this
file to go back to. Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try
searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat
sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this
article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and
selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be
the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of
postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're
done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have
to
do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the
hang
of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER,
THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU
WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it!
You will begin receiving money from around the world within days!
You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount
of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can
invent
a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.
. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**
Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5
replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6
on the letter.
Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200
postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each
of
the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make
200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will
bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and
post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies
each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part,
each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at
#2
and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!!<
Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups
with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I
will receive $15,625,00! With an original investment of only $6.00!
AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the
latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names
on
the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting
again.
The thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all
over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles
everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if
it really works?? I think so... People have said, 'e;what if the plan
is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the
chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups
everyday
and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000
new
users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual
internet.
Remember: do it FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work for
anyone
who's following the directions exactly as listed. WARNING!:Being
GREEDY
will bring negative result!
To everyone's success
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