Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 13 topics

Sunday, September 30, 2007

25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Kitchen drywall & floor repair
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c6af6c2ce953620c?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 12:36 pm
From: "Glenn"

The lines running horizontal and vertical are directly in line with the
waste pipes, i wouldnt worry about those white lines they are not mold or
mildew, just areas that have not gotten dirty inside the wall cavity.
The waste pipe looks like there is crud formed on the joint, this may be
your source of moisture. It could also be a leaky roof, tub surround,
dishwasher, cracked slab, etc. It could be almost anything, look for the
source of water and you've got your answer regarding the lower moldy areas.
I found a leaky compression fitting to be the source of my problems.

"Sammy bin Snoozin" <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:wDSLi.28782$jC5.6003@trnddc04...
I uploaded all the photos here also....

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/kitchen.html

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 1:55 pm
From: "Glenn"

There must be two Glenn's.

The one below ain't me.

"Glenn" <filebackup@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sVSLi.289$n92.81@trnddc06...
> The lines running horizontal and vertical are
> directly in line with the waste pipes, i wouldnt
> worry about those white lines they are not mold or
> mildew, just areas that have not gotten dirty inside
> the wall cavity.
> The waste pipe looks like there is crud formed on the
> joint, this may be your source of moisture. It could
> also be a leaky roof, tub surround, dishwasher,
> cracked slab, etc. It could be almost anything, look
> for the source of water and you've got your answer
> regarding the lower moldy areas.
> I found a leaky compression fitting to be the source
> of my problems.
>
> Z
>
>
> "Sammy bin Snoozin" <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com>
> wrote in message
> news:wDSLi.28782$jC5.6003@trnddc04...
> I uploaded all the photos here also....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/kitchen.html
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 5:11 pm
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

Thanks, Glenn I'll tear out more of the drywall today and look for leaky area. Most likely it was coming from the cold water supply connection at the faucet and running down the inside of the cabinet.

FYI, white marks look like they are in line with the vent pipe, but actually they are not -- none of them match. The vent is at a 45 deg angle.

"Glenn" <filebackup@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:sVSLi.289$n92.81@trnddc06...
> The lines running horizontal and vertical are directly in line with the
> waste pipes, i wouldnt worry about those white lines they are not mold or
> mildew, just areas that have not gotten dirty inside the wall cavity.
> The waste pipe looks like there is crud formed on the joint, this may be
> your source of moisture. It could also be a leaky roof, tub surround,
> dishwasher, cracked slab, etc. It could be almost anything, look for the
> source of water and you've got your answer regarding the lower moldy areas.
> I found a leaky compression fitting to be the source of my problems.
>
> Z
>
>
> "Sammy bin Snoozin" <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:wDSLi.28782$jC5.6003@trnddc04...
> I uploaded all the photos here also....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/kitchen.html
>
>

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TOPIC: Home safe odors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1b82176d55c73873?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 12:45 pm
From: Marsha

Don K wrote:

> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...
>
>>The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell odd. Does anyone
>>have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>
>
> Get a dehumidifier.
>
> Don
>

I don't think it would fit inside the safe ;-)

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 1:34 pm
From: "Don K"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fdouhr$jv2$3@news.datemas.de...
> Don K wrote:
>
>> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...
>>
>>>The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell odd. Does anyone
>>>have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>>
>>
>> Get a dehumidifier.
>>
>> Don
>
> I don't think it would fit inside the safe ;-)

(I've got to stop using the computer without putting my glasses on)

The solution to your problem is to simply leave the door open
a crack. :-)

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 2:52 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Marsha wrote:
> The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell
> odd. Does anyone have any suggestions on solving this problem?

First, you have to dry off the contents. Then you can use a dessicant
stored inside the safe to help keep the contents dry. You'll need to
periodically replace the dessicant and recharge them (dry them out).

For example...
http://www.bluelaketackle.com/browning-dry-zone-dessicant-550gram-each-p-21649.html

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 2:14 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Marsha wrote:
> Don K wrote:
>> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message
>> news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...

>>> The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell
>>> odd. Does anyone have any suggestions on solving this problem?

>> Get a dehumidifier.

> I don't think it would fit inside the safe ;-)

No, but unless the safe is air-tight, it should accomplish the same thing
if you put dehumidify the air outside the safe. (Come to think of it, it
also accomplish the same thing even if the safe is air-tight, since when
you open it, it would fill with dehumidified air.)

Anyway, I wonder if the problem is due to condensation when the temperature
changes.

I suppose another approach is to buy one of those small cans of desiccant
stuff. You could put that inside the safe and it would absorb moisture.
Like this:

http://www.theruststore.com/40-Gram-Rechargeable-Silica-Gel-Canister-P46C6.aspx

The product description says you can "recharge" it by putting it in the
oven (which presumably makes it shed the absorbed moisture and get ready
to absorb some more).

- Logan

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 2:23 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <fdouhr$jv2$3@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
> Don K wrote:
>
> > "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...
> >
> >>The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell odd. Does anyone
> >>have any suggestions on solving this problem?

> > Get a dehumidifier.

> I don't think it would fit inside the safe ;-)

Look for silica gel packets. They are larger versions of the
ones inside bottles of aspirin, etc. Maybe check a camera store.

--
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 5:51 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:23:51 -0700, Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG
<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:

>In article <fdouhr$jv2$3@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
>> Don K wrote:
>>
>> > "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fdorrk$jv2$2@news.datemas.de...
>> >
>> >>The contents of my small home safe feel slightly damp and they smell odd. Does anyone
>> >>have any suggestions on solving this problem?
>
>
>> > Get a dehumidifier.
>
>
>> I don't think it would fit inside the safe ;-)
>
>
>Look for silica gel packets. They are larger versions of the
>ones inside bottles of aspirin, etc. Maybe check a camera store.

Calcium Chloride aka DampRid. Absorbs the water and turns the CaCl
into a slush, which can be heated to drive off the moisture.

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TOPIC: Gone to the Dogs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6032107109473599?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 12:54 pm
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

"Chloe" (justsayno@spam.com) writes:
> "Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news:fdom54$7q2$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>><snip>
>> I would argue that some of the decline of a newsgroup is when it
>> becomes a hangout. People who want to be there even though they
>> aren't so interested in the topic of the newsgroup, or at least
>> feel because they share that interest they can post whatever
>> else they are interested in. They'd rather hang close to what
>> they know than venture out into newsgroups where the topics
>> belong but "they don't know anyone".
>>
>> That then waters down the newsgroup, as they post all kinds of
>> off-topic stuff, baking questions for example that have nothing
>> to do with being frugal and belong in baking newsgroups. Newcomers
>> arrive, and they see that it's "acceptable" and post away too.
>>
>> ANd eventually nobody is talking about the topic the newsgroup is
>> for.
>
> This newsgroup went through that process years ago. Without fail, anyone who
> mentioned the desirability of keeping posts on-topic was attacked and
> ridiculed as a "netcop." I think I once offered up the example of someone
> going into a sports bar while an important game was on and insisting that
> everyone turn away from the TVs and discuss this season's newest ballets.
> That'd of course be socially unacceptable behavior real-time, but apparently
> never has been considered so here.
>
If I was reading this newsgroup at the time, I hope I spoke up. The
term "net cop" is deliberate, it's to make the person trying to bring
some sort of order or whatever to a newsgroup feel bad.

I generally have tried to speak up when someone gets called that, by
the people who want their "free speech". It's not fair to let the
ones who speak up stand by themselves.

I was going through some old files, circa 1995, and I'd saved a post
of mine to some other newsgroup replying to someone who had called
someone else a "net nazi". I took him to task for using "nazi", which
tends to diminish the real damage the real ones did. I'd forgotten
about that post, but over the years that same poster has too often
acted like he can do as he pleases in newsgroups, and I've taken him
to task for that. It is interesting that to realize he is consistent.

Too many people leave a newsgroup, rather than fight. So all those
regular posters who posted for a long time here that are no longer here,
I suspect they got tired of something, and each time one left, it changed
the newsgroup an incremental amount. Add them all up, and you get the
current newsgroup.

I have left some newsgroups, not so much because of low traffic (I still
check some newsgroups that get a few posts over a few months, if that much),
not even because of spam. But when the core value of the newsgroup morphs,
and there seems to be no way of fighting it, the only solution seems to
be to leave. And it's an odd situation, because they are newsgroups I've
read for most of a decade, which leaves me often a longer term poster than
the people coming in who think it should be different.

Michael

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 5:40 pm
From: Vic Smith

On 30 Sep 2007 19:54:45 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
wrote:

>
>I have left some newsgroups, not so much because of low traffic (I still
>check some newsgroups that get a few posts over a few months, if that much),
>not even because of spam. But when the core value of the newsgroup morphs,
>and there seems to be no way of fighting it, the only solution seems to
>be to leave. And it's an odd situation, because they are newsgroups I've
>read for most of a decade, which leaves me often a longer term poster than
>the people coming in who think it should be different.
>
People come and go from newsgroups. I've never posted to a "low
volume" NG, but it's not surprising that one would abandon a low
volume group. There's probably a better net forum for the subject.
The spamming here is just a distraction, as is the OT stuff.
Nothing else has really changed, as far as I can tell.
Some old faces gone, new ones appearing.
Most of the trash is from google.com and best freebies.
It's easily ignored, and an on topic subject will find participants.
If a NG is of value, it only takes a small number of sincere
participants to keep it vital and draw others in.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Disney Mobile calls it Quits
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db605ad0907838b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 12:58 pm
From: Paul Miner

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:10:25 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>Vonage provided a valuable service with its saturation advertising. It
>made users aware of VOIP, and the ways it can be used. People that
>travel a lot like these services since they can use VOIP to have a
>"local" phone number when traveling, and use the hotel's free wireless
>for calls.

My family uses Vonage, but not for its 'traveling' capability. About
the most we do in that area is to unplug the eMTA when we leave home
for an extended time so that incoming calls go to my cell phone.

>However the problem was that a) Vonage was too expensive,

In my case, Vonage's 500 minute plan costs a little less than half
what we were paying SWBell, and the SWBell service was local only
while the Vonage plan obviously includes 500 minutes of long distance,
which is more than enough for us. So in our case, 'too expensive' does
not apply, especially when compared to our previous service.

>and b) it had
>little appeal outside the market for people that used it as a traveling
>number type of service. Few people would ever spend anywhere close to
>$25/month on long distance. That's 1000 minutes on OneSuite, 1250
>minutes on TalkLoop. And of course most people have unlimited off-peak
>long distance on their cell phone plans.

Of the people that I know who have VoIP service from any provider, the
traveling capability is not something that has ever come up as a
reason to have VoIP. Apparently I and my acquaintances are out of the
norm, from what you're saying. Within my circles, we tend to favor the
much lower cost of VoIP and a general dissatisfaction with the ILEC.

--
Paul Miner

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TOPIC: firefox very good
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b69f7fe51e5abb54?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 1:44 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Sep 27, 10:58 pm, websu...@cox.net wrote:
> On Sep 26, 7:50 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Al Bundy wrote:
> > > It's so much faster than IE at opening pages. Problem is that it won't
> > > open some pages and it crashes on a whim.
>
> > Crashes on a whim? Not in my experience. I might see a crash maybe
> > once a month, and I use it *all* the time.
>
> Agreed. I've been using it for over a year, and have had NO crashes.
> I've had a couple websites that didn't seem to work, but come to think
> of it that was a long time ago, so either they fixed it, or Firefox
> got fixed, or I learned better.
>
> > Now that I agree with. I reported a bug in the Mac version something like
> > 5 years ago, and it *may* now be fixed in the version that's about to come
> > out. Granted, it's only a cosmetic bug, but it's still annoying.
>
> Isn't Firefox part of the OpenSource stuff? So it's kinda sorta group
> contribution. Maybe your bug wasn't fun?

The sites that will not run are not half baked operations. One is the
probate court site for Wayne County Michigan and another it the State
of Oklahoma. I think they know how to construct web sites. Those
particular ones don't crash. They simply don't run properly. The other
day I was looking for appliance information on Kenmore washers.
Several sites crashed while downloading. Then there are times where it
crashes out of the blue. My computer is otherwise fine- defragged,
scanned, no viri. If Firefox is not running, these things don't
happen.
Good luck to you if you are having no problems at all. The consensus
of the computer gurus in my area and I believe Kim Komando is that
Firefox can't be used as a sole browser. It is still very worthwhile.

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TOPIC: Cast Iron cookware hint;
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4f802aea583b0d19?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 1:50 pm
From: Logan Shaw

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Heat loss is basically the integral of temperature difference over
>> time (because the rate of heat transfer is essentially proportional
>> to temperature difference). Of course there are lots of complicating
>> factors like air currents and convection, but in the absence of
>> evidence to the contrary, I'd put my money on heating it as fast as
>> possible being the most energy-efficient thing.

> With radiation loss increasing with T^4, it might pay to keep
> an electric stove burner cooler.

Interesting point. My gut feeling is that the reflector ("drip pan")
will make up for a lot of that and a lot of the radiated heat will end
up in the cookware anyway (plus the temperature difference between the
burner and the cookware might not be that large because the "contact
patch" between them is big). But on the other hand, T^4 is a REALLY
fast-growing function...

- Logan

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TOPIC: How Marketing Manipulates You
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2d9db3821c2b5972?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 2:02 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> The Motley Fool neglected the fact that, for several years, the Prius
> and other hybrids were selling for several thousand dollars OVER MSRP
> (via Added Dealer Markup stickers). So the used ones on the market now
> are actually selling for less than they cost new, as they should.

Interesting point. I had no idea car dealers ever marked things up above
the sticker price. I assumed that was sort of taboo, but I've never been
in the market for a model where it would happen, so it was just an assumption.

> Another factor propping up the prices of used Priusi, at least in
> California, is the fcat that CA is no longer handing out Carpool Lane
> Access OK stickers for hybrids. If you want one of those (and, IMNSHO,
> that's the primary advantage to owning a hybrid), you have to buy a
> used Prius that already has one. This demand helps keep prices for the
> used ones high, as well.

I can see an argument for not changing the rules on people who already bought
a hybrid vehicle, but that still seems like kind of a nutty way for California
to write its laws. Seems like at the least, those stickers should be phased
out over time or should be non-transferable. However, if I still lived in
California and I could get a car with a sticker that let me drive in the
carpool lane, I'd do it in an instant!

At least, I would if I could get such a car that scored very well in safety
tests, because the way that whole system with carpool lanes is set up is
incredibly dangerous. During rush hour, you've got cars in one lane at a
complete stop, and cars in the immediately adjacent lane moving at 70 mph.
When people pull into the carpool lane, there's a very serious hazard,
especially if there is a curve in the road that reduces visibility even
further. But I digress.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Print + Leave this news report at YOUR Local fast-food outlet: DOZENS
of illegals arrested at McDonald's
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/12ed3995ff140a31?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 2:02 pm
From: Ted

On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
<guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> A suggestion: access the article "At Least 56 Arrested in
> Immigration Raids at McDonald's" at the following website (be sure to
> include the website address), print a few copies and then LEAVE ONE
> WITH THE MANAGER OF THE LOCAL ILLEGAL-ALIEN-HIRING FAST-FOOD OUTLET
> (assuming the manager isn't an illegal him/herself!)
>
> What ever happened to our country's LABOR LAWS when no one --
> neither their employers nor the police -- even knows the true
> identities of those who PREPARE AND SERVE US FOOD? (Does the recent
> spate of e-coli etc. outbreaks ring a bell?)
>
> And what ever happened to enabling AMERICAN YOUNGSTERS to earn some
> money and develop good work and money-management habits, when hordes
> of ILLEGAL ALIEN ADULTS OF UNKNOWN IDENTITIES now all but monopolize
> such entry-level jobs?
>
> PRINT, COPY AND GET TH E FOLLOWING NEWS ARTICLE INTO THE HANDS OF THE
> QUICK-BUCK-ARTIST, CRIMINAL TRAITOR OWNERS OF EVERY BUSINESS IN YOUR
> TOWN WHICH HIRES ILLEGAL ALIENS -- that is, businesses which VIOLATE
> U.S. immigration laws, VIOLATE U.S. labor laws, BREAK state and local
> Health Department regulations, PREVENT our young Americans from
> earning money WHILE forcing The American People, to shoulder the costs
> of their employees' medical care. LET THE GREEDY OUTLAW HIRERS OF
> ILLEGAL ALIENS REALIZE THAT *THEY* MAY BE NEXT AND THAT A LAWSUIT BY
> INJURED AMERICANS MAY BE IN *THEIR* FUTURES, TOO!:
>
> At Least 56 Arrested in Immigration Raids at McDonald'shttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298396,00.html

Follow up by "googling" Immigration and Customs Enforcement and file a
complaint.

Ted

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 2:48 pm
From: compton75@hotmail.com

On Sep 30, 4:02 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> > A suggestion: access the article "At Least 56 Arrested in
> > Immigration Raids at McDonald's" at the following website (be sure to
> > include the website address), print a few copies and then LEAVE ONE
> > WITH THE MANAGER OF THE LOCAL ILLEGAL-ALIEN-HIRING FAST-FOOD OUTLET
> > (assuming the manager isn't an illegal him/herself!)
>
> > What ever happened to our country's LABOR LAWS when no one --
> > neither their employers nor the police -- even knows the true
> > identities of those who PREPARE AND SERVE US FOOD? (Does the recent
> > spate of e-coli etc. outbreaks ring a bell?)
>
> > And what ever happened to enabling AMERICAN YOUNGSTERS to earn some
> > money and develop good work and money-management habits, when hordes
> > of ILLEGAL ALIEN ADULTS OF UNKNOWN IDENTITIES now all but monopolize
> > such entry-level jobs?
>
> > PRINT, COPY AND GET TH E FOLLOWING NEWS ARTICLE INTO THE HANDS OF THE
> > QUICK-BUCK-ARTIST, CRIMINAL TRAITOR OWNERS OF EVERY BUSINESS IN YOUR
> > TOWN WHICH HIRES ILLEGAL ALIENS -- that is, businesses which VIOLATE
> > U.S. immigration laws, VIOLATE U.S. labor laws, BREAK state and local
> > Health Department regulations, PREVENT our young Americans from
> > earning money WHILE forcing The American People, to shoulder the costs
> > of their employees' medical care. LET THE GREEDY OUTLAW HIRERS OF
> > ILLEGAL ALIENS REALIZE THAT *THEY* MAY BE NEXT AND THAT A LAWSUIT BY
> > INJURED AMERICANS MAY BE IN *THEIR* FUTURES, TOO!:
>
> > At Least 56 Arrested in Immigration Raids at McDonald'shttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298396,00.html
>
> Follow up by "googling" Immigration and Customs Enforcement and file a
> complaint.
>
> Ted- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My question is why EEOC allows the discrimination of whites to
continue.
I no longer eat out due to these racist hiring practices.

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Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 3:18 pm
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TOPIC: Phone credit low? Go Beeping
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 3:27 pm
From: Gordon

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in news:fdkb42$ng7$1@aioe.org:

> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> When you have a cell phone and need to get information through...and
>> almost no money.
>
> Tough. If the phone companies had a clue, they could can this up front.
> just introduce a basic call connect fee with an included number of
> seconds, just like we have here.

Read the fine print in your cell phone service agrement.
You are charged from the time that you initiate the call,
usually by pushing the GO or Send button. If no one picks up,
you are charged the minimum rate. Usually 1 minute.

So the phone companies do have a clue. If they aren't charging
for uncompleted connections, it's because the are prevented from
doing so by some regulation.

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Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 5:05 pm
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Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 5:27 pm
From: clams casino

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 30 2007 6:03 pm
From: Logan Shaw

clams casino wrote:
> DevBasic Marketing Scam wrote:
>
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- Logan

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