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* How Marketing Manipulates You - 3 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: How Marketing Manipulates You
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 7:41 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Sep 29, 12:40 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > Here is an example of how marketing will try to manipulate you to buy.
>
> > And when buying an used car overwhelmingly is a better deal in almost
> > all cases, the article chips away at that fact to push you into buying
> > new.
>
> I don't think the writer from The Motley Fool is a marketing person trying
> to get you to buy a new car rather than a used one. Instead, I think it's
> an article about the fact rules have exceptions. In this case, the rule
> that buying a late-model used car is a better deal than buying new is the
> rule with exceptions.
>
> And, as far as I can tell, it's a bona fide exception. In recent years,
> some hybrids have been just as expensive used as they have been new. In
> that case, buying used means getting an inferior product for the same price.
> Not a good deal, and definitely an exception to the rule.
>
> Of course, when used prices are the same as new, it does make things sound
> a little fishy, so what's going on? Well, personally, I think it's a matter
> of pricing quirks. Pricing is a complex thing. Think of supply and demand,
> but there are also a bunch of other variables, many of them psychological,
> that influence prices.
>
> The important thing in this case is that hybrid vehicles were an unexpected
> hit for the auto industry. They sold way more than they projected. So, what
> happens in the auto industry when a model is in much more demand than projected?
>
> Well, a couple of things. First, the auto industry works in such a way that
> the products (cars) almost always sell for less than the price on the sticker.
> There is some room for negotiation built in to the sticker price, and
> negotiating is the norm. Second, the auto industry is a pretty stable
> industry. Automakers stand to lose millions or billions if they introduce
> a model that's a flop, so they are pretty conservative with things. They
> usually have a pretty good idea in advance how well something is going to
> sell.
>
> So, in the auto industry, if a product is in strong demand, the automaker
> doesn't need to do all that much to adjust the sticker price. The leeway
> that's already built in for negotiating will generally take care of that;
> the dealers just get less flexible on how much they'll be talked down.
> And because prices are stable, not only do they not need to do much to
> the sticker price, but there is also not that much precedent for it.
> Automakers will adjust the sticker price by $500 or even $1000 sometimes
> during the course of a model-year, but not much more than that.
>
> The net result, I think, is that the demand went up but the prices stayed
> the same. And since the demand went up, the actual selling price rose.
> And since the demand went up spectacularly (by auto industry standards),
> the actual selling price rose to the point where it actually matched the
> sticker price. And when the sticker price is the actual selling price,
> you sell out of the cars. And if you're the auto industry, apparently
> you don't respond by raising the sticker price. You just let the cars
> get back-ordered. (And maybe you have reasons for doing this, like that
> the volume of orders is low and you stand to lose more in public relations
> than you gain in profits by raising the prices.)
>
> So what that amounts to is that the sticker price didn't budge (much?),
> and the prices on new hybrid cars became artificially low.
>
> But the same did not happen with used hybrid vehicles. The prices there
> weren't set by automakers but by individual used car lots. So they were
> free to set the price how they wanted. So the prices were not artificially
> low on used vehicles.
>
> So basically, the point is this: if prices are artificially low on new
> vehicles but aren't artificially low on used ones, then maybe it DOES make
> sense to buy a new vehicle.
>
> - Logan
Good discussion but....
Consider who paid this writer to write the article?
And why is Yahoo repeatily posting it?
I smell marketing attempting to make a sale.
TMT
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 8:04 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Sep 29, 12:40 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > Here is an example of how marketing will try to manipulate you to buy.
>
> > And when buying an used car overwhelmingly is a better deal in almost
> > all cases, the article chips away at that fact to push you into buying
> > new.
>
> I don't think the writer from The Motley Fool is a marketing person trying
> to get you to buy a new car rather than a used one. Instead, I think it's
> an article about the fact rules have exceptions. In this case, the rule
> that buying a late-model used car is a better deal than buying new is the
> rule with exceptions.
>
> And, as far as I can tell, it's a bona fide exception. In recent years,
> some hybrids have been just as expensive used as they have been new. In
> that case, buying used means getting an inferior product for the same price.
> Not a good deal, and definitely an exception to the rule.
>
> Of course, when used prices are the same as new, it does make things sound
> a little fishy, so what's going on? Well, personally, I think it's a matter
> of pricing quirks. Pricing is a complex thing. Think of supply and demand,
> but there are also a bunch of other variables, many of them psychological,
> that influence prices.
>
> The important thing in this case is that hybrid vehicles were an unexpected
> hit for the auto industry. They sold way more than they projected. So, what
> happens in the auto industry when a model is in much more demand than projected?
>
> Well, a couple of things. First, the auto industry works in such a way that
> the products (cars) almost always sell for less than the price on the sticker.
> There is some room for negotiation built in to the sticker price, and
> negotiating is the norm. Second, the auto industry is a pretty stable
> industry. Automakers stand to lose millions or billions if they introduce
> a model that's a flop, so they are pretty conservative with things. They
> usually have a pretty good idea in advance how well something is going to
> sell.
>
> So, in the auto industry, if a product is in strong demand, the automaker
> doesn't need to do all that much to adjust the sticker price. The leeway
> that's already built in for negotiating will generally take care of that;
> the dealers just get less flexible on how much they'll be talked down.
> And because prices are stable, not only do they not need to do much to
> the sticker price, but there is also not that much precedent for it.
> Automakers will adjust the sticker price by $500 or even $1000 sometimes
> during the course of a model-year, but not much more than that.
>
> The net result, I think, is that the demand went up but the prices stayed
> the same. And since the demand went up, the actual selling price rose.
> And since the demand went up spectacularly (by auto industry standards),
> the actual selling price rose to the point where it actually matched the
> sticker price. And when the sticker price is the actual selling price,
> you sell out of the cars. And if you're the auto industry, apparently
> you don't respond by raising the sticker price. You just let the cars
> get back-ordered. (And maybe you have reasons for doing this, like that
> the volume of orders is low and you stand to lose more in public relations
> than you gain in profits by raising the prices.)
>
> So what that amounts to is that the sticker price didn't budge (much?),
> and the prices on new hybrid cars became artificially low.
>
> But the same did not happen with used hybrid vehicles. The prices there
> weren't set by automakers but by individual used car lots. So they were
> free to set the price how they wanted. So the prices were not artificially
> low on used vehicles.
>
> So basically, the point is this: if prices are artificially low on new
> vehicles but aren't artificially low on used ones, then maybe it DOES make
> sense to buy a new vehicle.
>
> - Logan
Good discussion but....
Consider who paid this writer to write the article?
And why is Yahoo repeatily posting it?
I smell marketing attempting to make a sale.
TMT
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 11:55 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
timeOday wrote:
> It's not just hybrids that keep their value, either.
> When I was looking at minivans, a 1-2 year old Honda or Toyota with up
> to 25K miles cost virtually as much used as new.
It's not just those either. Try pricing a used Lamborghini.
Anthony
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TOPIC: Get Instant Life And Health Insurance Quotes!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 8:24 pm
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TOPIC: Basic Bare Bones ISP ??
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 9:25 pm
From: "unreelistuk@aol.com"
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USA Datanet was much better. Any ideas for a new bare bones / no ads
ISP ??
Thanks
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 9:53 pm
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TOPIC: Free Ribs, Burrito, and Sub
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TOPIC: Cast Iron cookware hint;
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 10:32 pm
From: A Veteran
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when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.
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