Frugal Living: 12 new messages in 8 topics

Tuesday, October 2, 2007

12 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Gone to the Dogs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6032107109473599?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 6:37 pm
From: "Don K"

"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:fdpmal$nft$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...

> Being frugal is not about consuming, which all those posts basically
> make it seem like.

The name, "misc.consumers.frugal-living" implies that perhaps
some posts just might have something to do with consuming,
frugality, living, or miscellany.

Don

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TOPIC: This group is dying from spam.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e13559a60a40f78d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 6:39 pm
From: "Bob F"

It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than
others?

Bob

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 7:02 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than others?

Presumably the name makes the stupidest spammers decide that
many of the readers will actually be stupid enough to read their spam.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 7:17 pm
From: clams casino

Bob F wrote:

>It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than
>others?
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>
Can't speak for this group, but those on other groups I've followed tend
to report all spam.

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TOPIC: firefox very good
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b69f7fe51e5abb54?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 8:35 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <1191268923.001761.184040@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:

> bearc...@cruller.invalid wrote:
> > In article <1191185088.728340.254030@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The sites that will not run are not half baked operations.
> >
> > I'm not so sure about that
> >
> > > One is the probate court site for Wayne County Michigan
> >
> > I assume you are speaking of the "fees" section, in particular the
> > calculator. As noted on that page, those functions were made
> > specifically for use with MSIE. Such crippling exclusivity built
> > deliberately into a website strongly implies either "partnership" with
> > certain software companies or incompetence on the part of the site's
> > creator.
> >
> > That kind of issue may be fine for private websites, but it is
> > unconscionable for public sites. And it has nothing to do with the
> > users' browser of choice; it is all about dysfunctional software
> > unusable to a diverse population.
>
> Entirely wrong. Wayne County has many sites. I have never checked
> probate fees. When you assume things you know what that makes of you.
> Go back to your mindless pasting.

Okay, as long as you stick to your hackneyed, necrotic cliches. If my
assumption is incorrect, then your entire complaint is invalid.

<http://www.wcpc.us/>

You made the following claim:

"The sites that will not run are not half baked operations. One is the
probate court site for Wayne County Michigan and another it the State
of Oklahoma. I think they know how to construct web sites. Those
particular ones don't crash. They simply don't run properly."

I had no trouble accessing or operating the site you specified. I looked
through all of the Wayne County Probate Court links using FireFox, Opera
and Safari and had no problem with any WCPC function apart from their
exclusively MSIE calculator. Everything worked just fine, including the
search forms.

I did not bother much with the links to outside sites (which is what I
suspect you are talking about with your irrelevant, off-topic assertion
that "Wayne County has many sites"), but I covered that topic when
mentioning private websites, none of which originated from or are owned
by Wayne County.

Indeed, the only mistaken assumption I made became apparent only *after*
you responded like Rod Speed. It must be terribly tiring for the two of
you to have your cycle all month long.

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TOPIC: Constructing collectors for a solar hot water system
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f0edc7c20179ad49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 9:08 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

>A draindown version might look like this, viewed in a fixed font:
>
> 10'
>in -->-------------------------------------------
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | <-- 18 vertical
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 10' fins
> | | | | | | | |4'x8'| | | | | | 4'
> 57.6"| | a| | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | |..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> |..|..|..| | | | | | | | | | | | 10'
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | |4'x8'| | | | | | 4'
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> 57.6"| | a| | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | |..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> | | | . | | b| | . | | |b | | | 19.2"
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> -----------------------------------------|
> 2' 4' 4' |
>out --<-------------------------------------------

Oops. This might drain better:

>in -->-------------------------------------------
> |
> -----------------------------------------
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | <-- 18 vertical
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 10' fins
> | | | | | | | |4'x8'| | | | | | 4'
> 57.6"| | a| | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | |..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> |..|..|..| | | | | | | | | | | | 10'
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | |4'x8'| | | | | | 4'
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> 57.6"| | a| | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | |..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> | | | . | | b| | . | | |b | | | 19.2"
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
>out --<-------------------------------------------

Or this, with some pipe squeezes (how deep?) on the left to equalize flow:

>in -->-------------------------------------------
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | <-- 18 vertical
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 10' fins
> | | | | | | | |4'x8'| | | | | | 4'
> 57.6"| | a| | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | |..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> |..|..|..| | | | | | | | | | | | 10'
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | |4'x8'| | | | | | 4'
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> 57.6"| | a| | | | | | | | | | | | |
> | | | |..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|..|
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> | | | . | | b| | . | | |b | | | 19.2"
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
> | | | . | | | | . | | | | | |
>out --<-------------------------------------------

Nick

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TOPIC: Disney Mobile calls it Quits
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db605ad0907838b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 9:26 pm
From: Todd Allcock

At 01 Oct 2007 17:14:01 +0000 dold@86.usenet.us.com wrote:

> Don't forget the bluetooth headsets. Those work fine for cordless
VoIP.

True. Re-pairing everytime I switch between phone and PC is a
hassle, tho'. I guess that's an excuse to buy more earpieces! ;-)

> Who would one of these "more typical" SIP providers be?

The small-fry- Voicestick, OneSuite, callwithus.com, etc.

> Callvantage seems Vonage-like, in that you are tied to one ATA, with
> silliness about E911 registering if there is a disturbance on the
> network.
> The softphone not only costs extra, it is a different number!
> The quality of the CallVantage calls is poor enough that it isn't
> suitable for a home phone replacement, but it is cheap, at $19.99
> for unlimited US-LD and good rates worldwide.

But with some pay-as-you go VoIPs charging $0.015/minute or less, you
need to be using 1000-1500/minutes a month or more for that $19.99 to
be a good deal.

> I've also thought about a Skype handheld like the Netgear
> SPH200W-100NAS, but haven't even begun to research that.

The problem with most if not all WiFi VoIP phones is the lack of web
browser. Too many public WiFi APs (including most hotels) require
you toagree to a TOS page in a browser before you get access to the
'net. This wipes out the ability for those phones to connect. When
I want to Skype over WiFi when traveling, I use my Pocket PC.

> My attempts at SkypeOut were less than satisfying a couple of years
> ago. I use Skype PC-PC quite well worldwide.

Skype's improved quite a bit in the connection to POTS department, IMO.
I just can't take a "phone" service seriously that needs my PC on to
work. (While the WiFi phones are cute, I like being able to hook
"real phones" into a VoIP box.)

> I had no problem with reliability, but quality is poor on
Callvantage. My
> housemates didn't like 10 digit dialing. Not 7, not 11, 10.

That can be fixed with most ATA boxes in their setup by editing the
"dialplan." (It tells the box to fill in the "missing" digits if
only seven are dialed, or drop the leading "1" if 11.

> Callvantage was easy to wire as a whole-house replacement for
landline.
> Unplug one wire, plug in another wire. No drama, no skills required.

Many people often forget the "unhook the local telco's line from the
entrance bridge/test interface" part and fry a perfectly good VoIP
box!

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

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TOPIC: Did fluorescent bulbs save you money?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8aa0ba4f7349251c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 9:28 pm
From: Greggie Gibson

"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in
news:iISdnS8JvaGlB5zanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@comcast.com:

> At a cost of only twice his natural gas heat energy.
>
> Bob
>

And how much light does his natural gas heater provide?

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TOPIC: Converting AVI file collection to DVD
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6b4db90d576019f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 9:40 pm
From: hansonfox

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC), -Art- (not Art) wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
>> I want to convert avi files into DVDs

DVDFlick freeware

http://www.dvdflick.net

Just drag the AVI file onto DVD flick and it will create the DVD files.

Then burn the DVD with ImgBurn freeware
http://www.imgburn.com

Just drag the VIDEO_TS folder onto ImgBurn and it will create the DVD disc.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 9:59 pm
From: hansonfox

Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good
quality?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 10:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

hansonfox <hansen.J.fox@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Is there an easy lookup table that shows us which DVD media is good quality?

Nope, because it also depends on the burner being used.

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TOPIC: Victoria Beckham Rock and Republic Jeans
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b3ae941c3bf4e41f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 11:28 pm
From: e7hrq4zo

http://www.squidoo.com/victoria-beckham-rock-and-republic-jeans

Victoria Beckham Rock and Republic Jeans

This a smokin' hot Rock and Republic Jeans (these are the R&R)
designed by Victoria Beckham. ...
Why do we like Rock & Republic Jeans?
What do i wear with my rock and republic jeans?...

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