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Wednesday, October 31, 2007

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TOPIC: What thread count sheets do you buy?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 3:29 pm
From: pc

Melissa wrote:
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:gumci3th02s9gobemrolbu3pk7p4i6edkg@4ax.com...
>> Looking to by some new flat sheets.
>>
>> Curious what thread count everyone considers a good
>> one? I'm looking for a luxurious feel so should I get
>> 500 tpi? One thousand tpi?
>>
>> And what material? Egyptian cotton, sateen, pima?
>
> I buy at least a 600 count sateen. The difference is amazing IMO. They are
> nice and silky, the tight weave makes them wear better and they are even
> warmer. I get mine on Overstock.com, the last set was $60 for California
> King size.
>
> Melissa
>
>

About eight months ago I bought two sets of 300 tci [IIRC] sheets from
Overstock. They were a great price. And I've regretted it ever since.
I have to use a pill shaver on them whenever I use them. But, they
were just regular cotton.

Just recently, I had to work at the local Home Show for my company and
there was a vendor there selling 400 tci Egyptian cotton sateen sheets
for $20 a set. Some people I spoke with said they bought them last year
and they were good. So, I bought two sets and am very pleased with them.

When I work at the Home Show next year, I'll buy two more sets.

So, check out Home Shows. I think these folks travel all over. I'm in
FL. They are based in MA.

Another note about sheets...Years ago I started buying only white
sheets. That way I can mix and match and it looks okay.

..PC

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 4:21 pm
From: "Chloe"

"pc" <pc@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:8fOVi.13204$u7.991@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> About eight months ago I bought two sets of 300 tci [IIRC] sheets from
> Overstock. They were a great price. And I've regretted it ever since. I
> have to use a pill shaver on them whenever I use them. But, they were
> just regular cotton. <snip>

Yeah, I thought all-cotton sheets wouldn't pill, but it happened pretty
quickly to a set I bought at Target. They were relatively inexpensive, and
initially the fabric felt soft and smooth. But they weren't a bargain at any
price. I'll pay more next time.

Last night was the first time it's been cold enough for the fleece sheets I
bought last season. They felt terrific, very warm and softer than any
flannel sheets I've ever had. They're 100 percent polyester, so it remains
to be seen how they'll hold up.

The all-white sheets are a good idea. I buy colors, but only ones that mix
and match in a way that doesn't annoy me. I've been known to even pick up an
all-cotton sheet at a thrift store once in a while.

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TOPIC: Rechargeable Batteries
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 4:25 pm
From: Jeff

Anthony Matonak wrote:

> me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>> AA is supposed to be the ideal size for NiCad or NiMH. For remotes I
>>> stick to alkaline AAA because alkalines hold their charge a lot longer.
>>
>>
>> Does anyone make rechargeable Lithium Ion AA cells and
>> charger?
>
>
> No. Lithium batteries have a cell voltage around 3.3V so they
> can't be used to replace single AA cells. They can be used to
> replace two AA cells though and this is common in digital
> cameras. You can use either a single lithium battery or two
> AAs.

In addition Lithium Ion batteries need to be used in devices that are
tailored for them. If they are discharged too far, they can not be
recharged.

Jeff
>
> Anthony

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 5:30 pm
From: "Don K"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4726c3f1$0$32473$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> You can charge just about anything with just about anything. The
> difference is whether you're shortening the life of the battery
> by overcharging or something else along those lines.
>
> Most decent chargers these days have a computerized charging circuit
> where they monitor the voltage of the cells being charged and watch
> for a pattern, then stop the charging at "just" the right moment,
> so with that kind of charger, you can put in almost any battery
> (of the right type -- NiMH or NiCd, or whatever it says in the
> instructions) and it will "just work".

Duracell says monitoring temperature change is better than monitoring
voltage. They recommend charging at a high rate until the rate of temperature
change increases, then cutting the current to one-tenth for a half-hour, then
trickle-charging at 1/300th current to maintain charge indefinitely.

http://www.duracell.com/oem/Pdf/others/TECHBULL.pdf

Don

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:15 pm
From: Bill Rider

Don K wrote:
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4726c3f1$0$32473$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> You can charge just about anything with just about anything. The
>> difference is whether you're shortening the life of the battery
>> by overcharging or something else along those lines.
>>
>> Most decent chargers these days have a computerized charging circuit
>> where they monitor the voltage of the cells being charged and watch
>> for a pattern, then stop the charging at "just" the right moment,
>> so with that kind of charger, you can put in almost any battery
>> (of the right type -- NiMH or NiCd, or whatever it says in the
>> instructions) and it will "just work".
>
> Duracell says monitoring temperature change is better than monitoring
> voltage. They recommend charging at a high rate until the rate of temperature
> change increases, then cutting the current to one-tenth for a half-hour, then
> trickle-charging at 1/300th current to maintain charge indefinitely.
>
> http://www.duracell.com/oem/Pdf/others/TECHBULL.pdf
>
> Don
>
>
Isidor Buchmann makes battery test equipment for battery manufacturers.
He also makes chargers for medical equipment, public-safety equipment,
and the military. He's against trickle charging nickel batteries. He
says it causes deterioration through the buildup of crystals.

He says to remove them as soon as they are charged and, if they've been
on the shelf, you could top them up before use. However, he recommends
trickle charging a new battery 24 hours.

His chargers monitor voltage, temperature, and time.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:05 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rick wrote:

> Duke of Hazard wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 1, 8:39 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much more than
>> > others?
>> >
>> > Bob
>>
>> I agree, I follow many groups and something weird has taken over this
>> one. I notice it is often linked from groups.google.com , so maybe
>> that's where it's starting from. There is too much to report. We need
>> a moderated group. Anyone know how to create one?
>
> Sure. Who wants to be the moderator? And be chained to the group for the
> rest of your life, deleting the SPAM from a dedicated mail box, editing
> the approved messages to insert an approval code, and forwarding the
> approved messages to the group?
>
> Or just run away from the group, leaving yet another dead moderated
> group. Once that happens it's not easy for someone else to take over a
> moderated group when the existing moderator just abandons the process
> and disappears. That process can take months.
>
> If anyone wants to seriously consider doing it though visit the group:
>
> alt.config
>
> to begin the proposal process.

BTDT and the group was created. It's alive and the moderators pay
attention, but it doesn't get used much.

Spam isn't the problem with usenet, it's the loons. Check out what happened
to rec.bicycles.off-road.

Spam is easy to recognize and skip. Loons can be killfiled (dear lord when
will thunderbird get REAL filters for newsgroups, making it possible to
eliminate any postings originating from googlegroups?).

Nobody ever said it would be easy!

--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
While you can't fool all the people all the time, you can fool
enough of them most of the time to make the rest impotent.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick wrote:
>
>> Duke of Hazard wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 8:39 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It just keeps getting worse. I wonder why this group gets so much
>>>> more than others?
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> I agree, I follow many groups and something weird has taken over
>>> this one. I notice it is often linked from groups.google.com , so
>>> maybe that's where it's starting from. There is too much to report.
>>> We need a moderated group. Anyone know how to create one?
>>
>> Sure. Who wants to be the moderator? And be chained to the group for
>> the rest of your life, deleting the SPAM from a dedicated mail box,
>> editing the approved messages to insert an approval code, and
>> forwarding the approved messages to the group?
>>
>> Or just run away from the group, leaving yet another dead moderated
>> group. Once that happens it's not easy for someone else to take over
>> a moderated group when the existing moderator just abandons the
>> process and disappears. That process can take months.
>>
>> If anyone wants to seriously consider doing it though visit the
>> group: alt.config
>>
>> to begin the proposal process.
>
> BTDT and the group was created. It's alive and the moderators pay
> attention, but it doesn't get used much.
>
> Spam isn't the problem with usenet, it's the loons. Check out what
> happened to rec.bicycles.off-road.
>
> Spam is easy to recognize and skip. Loons can be killfiled (dear
> lord when will thunderbird get REAL filters for newsgroups, making it
> possible to eliminate any postings originating from googlegroups?).

Trouble is that there is plenty of non spam from groups.google now.

> Nobody ever said it would be easy!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:32 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone wants to seriously consider doing it though visit the
>>> group: alt.config
>>>
>>> to begin the proposal process.
>>
>> BTDT and the group was created. It's alive and the moderators pay
>> attention, but it doesn't get used much.
>>
>> Spam isn't the problem with usenet, it's the loons. Check out what
>> happened to rec.bicycles.off-road.
>>
>> Spam is easy to recognize and skip. Loons can be killfiled (dear
>> lord when will thunderbird get REAL filters for newsgroups, making it
>> possible to eliminate any postings originating from googlegroups?).
>
> Trouble is that there is plenty of non spam from groups.google now.

Perhaps. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas. I'm willing to make the
sacrifice.

>> Nobody ever said it would be easy!

--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I don't care who your father is! Drop that cross
one more time and you're out of the parade!"

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> If anyone wants to seriously consider doing it though visit the
>>>> group: alt.config
>>>>
>>>> to begin the proposal process.
>>>
>>> BTDT and the group was created. It's alive and the moderators pay
>>> attention, but it doesn't get used much.
>>>
>>> Spam isn't the problem with usenet, it's the loons. Check out what
>>> happened to rec.bicycles.off-road.
>>>
>>> Spam is easy to recognize and skip. Loons can be killfiled (dear
>>> lord when will thunderbird get REAL filters for newsgroups, making
>>> it possible to eliminate any postings originating from googlegroups?).

>> Trouble is that there is plenty of non spam from groups.google now.

> Perhaps.

No perhaps about it, presumably because its easier to
setup than a conventional news client and news server.

> Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

A rolling stone gathers no moss.

> I'm willing to make the sacrifice.

It makes more sense to just ignore the spam. It isnt hard to work out what is spam.

>>> Nobody ever said it would be easy!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:14 pm
From: The Real Bev

rick++ wrote:

> I fly about once a month and its been years since Ive seen an empty
> seat on a plane.

Last previous time I flew was 1994. This time I selected seat 22F on both
legs of my return flight and 22E was empty on both. On the first leg of my
outbound flight there were 3 empty seats. Everybody hates Houston, I guess.

--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:30 pm
From:

In article <13id3vin0q1cgc1@corp.supernews.com>, belfert@visi.com
says...

> Why not recycle the shredded paper? If you're worried about someone
> reassembling the strips get a crosscut shredder.

Shredder output is cut too small for paper-grade recycling. They
require longer fibers. My office recycling service specifically
prohibits shredder output, whether crosscut or ribbon, because of the
short average fiber length.

That's why the shredder bin is for confidential documents only -- it
takes slightly more time to segregate the waste stream, but that lets us
recycle everything that does not need to be shredded for
confidentiality.

But shredded paper is accepted in my household yard waste/compost
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:40 pm
From:

> Here's a simple test. Tear a piece of paper. Do you see fibers
> several inches long sticking out the edges? Can you even spot
> the fibers without a microscope?

Tearing paper, like cutting it, breaks fibers. So no, you won't see
them sticking out that far from the edge of a tear.

Here's an alternative test: drop a spot of water-based ink on the paper
and let it sit for a while. Look around the edge of the drop at how far
the ink wicks out along individual fibers.

Now look at some shredded paper. Let's say the average fiber is only
1/8" long, and your shredded paper is cut in 1/8" strips. What fraction
of the fibers are now cut shorter than 1/8"?

--
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:23 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Just A User wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> Just A User wrote:
>>> I shred important documents that have personal info on them rather
>>> than just throwing them in the recycle or regular trash but what to
>>> do with all those shreds? I save them for when I go camping for
>>> starting a campfire, but only need a little for this purpose. So if
>>> there any frugal / environmentally friendly for getting rid of this
>>> waste I would appreciate any suggestions.

>> Collect a bunch of paper together. Soak it in water until it becomes a
>> pulp. Then bleach it. Finally, press it out into a very thin sheet,
>> let it dry completely, and cut it into rectangles of convenient sizes,
>> say 8.5"x11". Then get a pen, and write down all the reasons you could
>> possibly have chosen to waste your precious few moments here on the
>> planet
>> obsessing over what to do with recyclable paper rather than just putting
>> it in the recycle bin. Then go for a hike, or go on a cruise, or write
>> a novel, or volunteer for some local group that actually does some good
>> in the world, or something. :-)

> A novel! Great idea, I cam write about all the characters that post to
> usenet groups, a.k.a. all the people in my killfile.

I apologize for that comment. I meant for it to be a humorous and
slightly snarky, but reading over it again, I think if I were reading
it, it would look like a personal slam.

I was really just trying to say that putting the stuff in the recycle bin
may, in fact, be the best thing you can do with it, and if it is, it
doesn't do much good to spend time on it. If you want to make the world a
better place, there are probably better ways to spend that time doing it.

By the way, you can actually soak the paper in water and make it into a
sort of pulp, then compress it into a big solid mass, let it dry for
several weeks, and then you have a sort of faux log for the fireplace.
But according to the results of some googling, the logs don't burn as
well as good firewood. Which makes sense, actually: not all wood is
good for burning. Where I live, we have a bunch of cedar all over the
place just growing wild, but cedar doesn't burn well. It pops and
sputters. The point being that just because something *can* burn
doesn't mean it's a good fuel. In fact, some woods leave unwanted or
dangerous deposits in the chimney. So I personally wouldn't burn logs
made out of shredded paper even if I could, at least not without learning
more about it.

Another possible use is packing materials. But I personally am not
too comfortable with that: if it was sensitive enough to shred, it's
sensitive enough not to send to someone you know or someone you do
business with.

So unless someone comes up with something clever that I haven't heard
before, my best idea is throw it in the recycle bin.

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:44 pm
From: The Real Bev

Anthony Matonak wrote:

> All this is really beside the point as 90+ percent of the water use
> in the United States (and probably elsewhere) is used in agriculture
> and industry. Your flush is like a drop in the bucket compared their
> use of water.

Irrelevant if homeowners have to pay $80/month for <3000 gallons.

--
Cheers, Bev
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"I don't care who your father is! Drop that cross
one more time and you're out of the parade!"

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