Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 15 topics

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Mortgage
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9ecbe53e70766151?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 10:13 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

rick++ <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Why is the "t" silent?

In French, the only sounded final consonants are C, R, F and L, as in CaReFuL.

Nick

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TOPIC: I Hate Low Flush Toilets
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/68fbc647bb0bcd81?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 10:26 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Oct 29, 3:07 pm, Millhaven <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
> On Oct 29, 10:33 am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 28, 10:36 pm,Millhaven<millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hit the bathroom and take just about the biggest shit of my life. I
> > > felt like I was giving birth. When I flush the water just sorta goes
> > > around the turd and it sinks a little totally clogging the hole. I try
> > > flushing again and the bowl fills almost to the top with water. I have
> > > no idea what to do now. I was in a panic, my heartbeat started going
> > > up. I tried flushing one more time and now water is spilling out all
> > > over the floor. Now I am in a total rage.
>
> > What--are you 14 years old? Don't you know not to flush a full
> > toilet?
>
> > Learn what the plunger is for.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I didn't see plunger.-

All the more reason not to risk flushing, then.

Cindy Hamilton

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TOPIC: Shredded personal documents
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a5b35f2ff72ca35?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 10:42 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Just A User wrote:
> Marc wrote:
>> Paper that's shredded with a cross-cut shredder is not recyclable; the
>> fibers left aren't long enough to work with the recycling process.
>>
>> Here's the official advice for it in my locale:
>> http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Recycling/Recyclable_Items/COS_005453.asp

>>
> Well thats kind of interesting, I would never have thought that the
> fibers could be to short to be recycled.

This doesn't sound right to me. I can't imagine that a cross-cut
shredder can shorten the already incredibly tiny fibers all that
much. Even if they did, only a small percentage of the fibers
would be affected.

Here's a simple test. Tear a piece of paper. Do you see fibers
several inches long sticking out the edges? Can you even spot
the fibers without a microscope?

Anthony

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:31 am
From: Just A User

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Just A User wrote:
>> Marc wrote:
>>> Paper that's shredded with a cross-cut shredder is not recyclable; the
>>> fibers left aren't long enough to work with the recycling process.
>>>
>>> Here's the official advice for it in my locale:
>>> http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Recycling/Recyclable_Items/COS_005453.asp

>>>
>> Well thats kind of interesting, I would never have thought that the
>> fibers could be to short to be recycled.
>
> This doesn't sound right to me. I can't imagine that a cross-cut
> shredder can shorten the already incredibly tiny fibers all that
> much. Even if they did, only a small percentage of the fibers
> would be affected.
>
> Here's a simple test. Tear a piece of paper. Do you see fibers
> several inches long sticking out the edges? Can you even spot
> the fibers without a microscope?
>
> Anthony

Funny I googled it and the only thing I found on my one or two quick
searches about paper recycling and short fibers was on wiki and that
said that paper can only be recycled 4 to 6 times before the fibers
become too short and get washed / carried away in the cleansing process.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 12:45 pm
From: val189

On Oct 29, 4:40 pm, Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
> I shred important documents that have personal info on them rather than
> just throwing them in the recycle or regular trash but what to do with
> all those shreds? I save them for when I go camping for starting a
> campfire, but only need a little for this purpose. So if there any
> frugal / environmentally friendly for getting rid of this waste I would
> appreciate any suggestions. I hate to help fill up the local landfill if
> there are any other uses for this stuff.
>
> Ken

Offer it to someone who needs shipping material. Gift shop in my area
takes it - saves the expense of packing peanuts.

Hope you are also returning peanuts to shipping depots too.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 1:02 pm
From: Just A User

val189 wrote:
> On Oct 29, 4:40 pm, Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>> I shred important documents that have personal info on them rather than
>> just throwing them in the recycle or regular trash but what to do with
>> all those shreds? I save them for when I go camping for starting a
>> campfire, but only need a little for this purpose. So if there any
>> frugal / environmentally friendly for getting rid of this waste I would
>> appreciate any suggestions. I hate to help fill up the local landfill if
>> there are any other uses for this stuff.
>>
>> Ken
>
> Offer it to someone who needs shipping material. Gift shop in my area
> takes it - saves the expense of packing peanuts.
>
> Hope you are also returning peanuts to shipping depots too.
>
Funny you mentioned the peanuts too. I have a serious collection of them
as well.

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TOPIC: CFL's
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dc1b4520afebf90a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 10:28 am
From: "John Weiss"

<aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote...
> What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
> lights?

For some uses, you can now buy LED lights, which are as efficient (or better) as
CFLs. They are still relatively expensive, but prices will continuously drop as
production ramps up.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:07 am
From: Jeff

John Weiss wrote:
> <aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
>>What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>>lights?
>
>
> For some uses, you can now buy LED lights, which are as efficient (or better) as
> CFLs.

Really? Last I checked, which wasn't long ago, was that the best
commercially available LEDs were somewhat less efficient.

There are 12V drop ins for tracklighting replacements for halogens.
And there are some 120/220 replacements as well.

Jeff

They are still relatively expensive, but prices will continuously drop as
> production ramps up.
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 12:00 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Jeff wrote:
> John Weiss wrote:
>> <aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>
>>> What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>>> lights?
>>
>> For some uses, you can now buy LED lights, which are as efficient (or
>> better) as CFLs.
>
> Really? Last I checked, which wasn't long ago, was that the best
> commercially available LEDs were somewhat less efficient.
>
> There are 12V drop ins for tracklighting replacements for halogens.
> And there are some 120/220 replacements as well.

The real difference seems to be that CFLs illuminate an entire room,
while LEDs (at least so far) are very good at lighting up a particular
object, but not in general room lighting.

Of course, this could change.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

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TOPIC: Rechargeable Batteries
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fe341f962358eb2a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 10:30 am
From: "John Weiss"

"Pan" <para@panpan.com> wrote...
>
> So if I want a AAA which would last as long or more than a regular duracell
> AAA what mAh rated rated rechargeable should I buy?

Buy the highest rating you can find, without paying an exorbitant price premium.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 12:29 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>AA is supposed to be the ideal size for NiCad or NiMH. For remotes I
>stick to alkaline AAA because alkalines hold their charge a lot longer.

Does anyone make rechargeable Lithium Ion AA cells and
charger?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 1:01 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> AA is supposed to be the ideal size for NiCad or NiMH. For remotes I
>> stick to alkaline AAA because alkalines hold their charge a lot longer.
>
> Does anyone make rechargeable Lithium Ion AA cells and
> charger?

No. Lithium batteries have a cell voltage around 3.3V so they
can't be used to replace single AA cells. They can be used to
replace two AA cells though and this is common in digital
cameras. You can use either a single lithium battery or two
AAs.

Anthony

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TOPIC: Free Mad Hatter Tea Sample!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c6ae2944e6ddc6a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:05 am
From: eHDMI

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:27 am
From: clams casino

eHDMI wrote:

>Free Mad Hatter Tea Sample!
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:11 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:11 am
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TOPIC: Traffic To Your Website???How can Grow Your Website???
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:13 am
From: ati

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 11:14 am
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TOPIC: The Dual-Flush toilet arrives.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 1:38 pm
From: A Veteran

one flush for #1 and a grander effort to flush #2's
but Home depot doesn't have them. where ?

--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 2:08 pm
From: George

A Veteran wrote:
> one flush for #1 and a grander effort to flush #2's
> but Home depot doesn't have them. where ?
>

Real plumbing supply house maybe? We got ours maybe 10 years ago at a
local place.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 2:03 pm
From: Al Bundy

A Veteran wrote:
> one flush for #1 and a grander effort to flush #2's
> but Home depot doesn't have them. where ?
>
Just make sure it's a ferguson boy. Now that's a man's flush!!!!!!!

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TOPIC: PSP PS2 PS3 Nokia N95 Hoodies Sunglasses Nokia N93 Nokia N70 Sony
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 1:24 pm
From: "shopbb.com"

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TOPIC: wireless Keyboards
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1cdce429024e30ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 1:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> Only real downside is that I have a hard floor, not carpet, and it isnt
>> hard to drop the mouse on the floor occasionally. Hasnt killed it yet tho.

> Does anyone know if a keyboard with built in
> trackball might be better...a wireless unit that is?

I dont like the style myself.

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TOPIC: What thread count sheets do you buy?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 1:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote:
> rick++ wrote:
>> Frugal is paying the lowest for basic functionallity,
>> not the highest luxury you can get for a given cost
>> in my opinion. If burlap would do the job, and it was
>> avialabel and chepest, then I'd use that.

> You are mistaken, IMO.

Or you are too.

> Frugality is deciding what you want and getting it for the best price.

Nope, not if what you decide you want makes not sense to want.

> It is not imposing your lowest acceptable level of quality or functionality on others.

But its also not about a very superficial choice of what you want either.

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TOPIC: Blog about Frugal Living
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 2:18 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 30, 7:53 am, frugal fanny <frugalfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Check out a new blog about frugal living from an ordinary person.
> You'll find everyday tips about how you can save money by spending
> less and spending smarter as well as warnings about bad ideas to save
> money. Your suggestions and personal stories are welcome - comment or
> write to me! The blog will also include occasional posts about how to
> make extra cash, but what you WILL NOT find (and are not welcome for
> suggestions) are bogus scams, coupons and the like. I'm determined to
> keep spam out! Here's the URL:

Nothing there that you would not find with a few clicks on Google or
this very group.
The phrase "build it and they will come" does not apply to empty
sites.

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