Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 14 topics

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: What thread count sheets do you buy?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:41 am
From: "Melissa"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:gumci3th02s9gobemrolbu3pk7p4i6edkg@4ax.com...
> Looking to by some new flat sheets.
>
> Curious what thread count everyone considers a good
> one? I'm looking for a luxurious feel so should I get
> 500 tpi? One thousand tpi?
>
> And what material? Egyptian cotton, sateen, pima?

I buy at least a 600 count sateen. The difference is amazing IMO. They are
nice and silky, the tight weave makes them wear better and they are even
warmer. I get mine on Overstock.com, the last set was $60 for California
King size.

Melissa

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:50 am
From: rick++

Frugal is paying the lowest for basic functionallity,
not the highest luxury you can get for a given cost
in my opinion. If burlap would do the job, and it was
avialabel and chepest, then I'd use that.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:58 am
From: me@privacy.net

>Here's a report of the report (that is, a news station using CR's
>report to do a story):
>
>http://www.channel3000.com/onyourside/5527065/detail.html

wow

thanks so much!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:00 am
From: me@privacy.net

>I buy at least a 600 count sateen. The difference is amazing IMO. They are
>nice and silky, the tight weave makes them wear better and they are even
>warmer. I get mine on Overstock.com, the last set was $60 for California
>King size.

OK but I want to buy sheets separately and NOT in sets.

IOW.... I may want to order two separate queen flat
sheets.... one for top and one for bottom.

Overstock have this?

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:01 am
From: Goomba38

rick++ wrote:
> Frugal is paying the lowest for basic functionallity,
> not the highest luxury you can get for a given cost
> in my opinion. If burlap would do the job, and it was
> avialabel and chepest, then I'd use that.
>
You are mistaken, IMO. Frugality is deciding what you want and getting
it for the best price. It is not imposing your lowest acceptable level
of quality or functionality on others.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:20 am
From: me@privacy.net

>You are mistaken, IMO. Frugality is deciding what you want and getting
>it for the best price. It is not imposing your lowest acceptable level
>of quality or functionality on others.

Bingo!

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:39 am
From: "Melissa"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1mhei35cg3fic2fkhpke7n41oi5e5tfvko@4ax.com...
> >I buy at least a 600 count sateen. The difference is amazing IMO. They
are
> >nice and silky, the tight weave makes them wear better and they are even
> >warmer. I get mine on Overstock.com, the last set was $60 for California
> >King size.
>
> OK but I want to buy sheets separately and NOT in sets.
>
> IOW.... I may want to order two separate queen flat
> sheets.... one for top and one for bottom.
>
> Overstock have this?

There's one sure way to find out. Go to their web site and look around.

Melissa

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TOPIC: Blog about Frugal Living
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 5:53 am
From: frugal fanny

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TOPIC: Shredded personal documents
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 5:56 am
From: Peter Bruells

Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> writes:

> Yes I am in the usa. And paper bags have almost completely gone
> away. At least in the area I live. The shreds do scatter nicely, and
> that certainly would reduce the possibility of someone putting all the
> little pieces back together.

Unless you use on of the older models which produce only these long
shreds, the risk is neligible. The amount of time and money needed to
exract information from 2x4 mm shreds will in nearly all cases surpass
the possible gain, esp. considering that cheaper methods and easier
victims are around.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:18 am
From: Just A User

Peter Bruells wrote:
> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> writes:
>
>> Yes I am in the usa. And paper bags have almost completely gone
>> away. At least in the area I live. The shreds do scatter nicely, and
>> that certainly would reduce the possibility of someone putting all the
>> little pieces back together.
>
> Unless you use on of the older models which produce only these long
> shreds, the risk is neligible. The amount of time and money needed to
> exract information from 2x4 mm shreds will in nearly all cases surpass
> the possible gain, esp. considering that cheaper methods and easier
> victims are around.

I can't even imagine anyone even trying to piece together the waste that
comes out of a cross cut shredder.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:23 am
From: Peter Bruells

Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> writes:

> Peter Bruells wrote:

> > Unless you use on of the older models which produce only these long
> > shreds, the risk is neligible. The amount of time and money needed to
> > exract information from 2x4 mm shreds will in nearly all cases surpass
> > the possible gain, esp. considering that cheaper methods and easier
> > victims are around.
>
> I can't even imagine anyone even trying to piece together the waste
> that comes out of a cross cut shredder.

Any intelligence or police service will attempt it, if it seems
sensible to do so. It can be automated, though that's a fairly new
and expensive technolgy usually reserved for bigger shreds.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:30 am
From: Marc

On Oct 30, 4:09 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <WM2dnT_rsKP1zrvanZ2dnUVZ_tajn...@giganews.com>,
> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>
> > I shred important documents that have personal info on them rather than
> > just throwing them in the recycle or regular trash but what to do with
> > all those shreds? I save them for when I go camping for starting a
> > campfire, but only need a little for this purpose. So if there any
> > frugal / environmentally friendly for getting rid of this waste I would
> > appreciate any suggestions. I hate to help fill up the local landfill if
> > there are any other uses for this stuff.
>
> > Ken
>
> I put the shredded paper in small paper grocery bags and drop them in
> the recycling bin.

Paper that's shredded with a cross-cut shredder is not recyclable; the
fibers left aren't long enough to work with the recycling process.
It's OK to do this with a strip-cut shredder, but cross-cut paper has
to either be composted or treated as rubbish.

Here's the official advice for it in my locale:
http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Recycling/Recyclable_Items/COS_005453.asp

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:55 am
From: Just A User

Marc wrote:
> On Oct 30, 4:09 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> In article <WM2dnT_rsKP1zrvanZ2dnUVZ_tajn...@giganews.com>,
>> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I shred important documents that have personal info on them rather than
>>> just throwing them in the recycle or regular trash but what to do with
>>> all those shreds? I save them for when I go camping for starting a
>>> campfire, but only need a little for this purpose. So if there any
>>> frugal / environmentally friendly for getting rid of this waste I would
>>> appreciate any suggestions. I hate to help fill up the local landfill if
>>> there are any other uses for this stuff.
>>> Ken
>> I put the shredded paper in small paper grocery bags and drop them in
>> the recycling bin.
>
> Paper that's shredded with a cross-cut shredder is not recyclable; the
> fibers left aren't long enough to work with the recycling process.
> It's OK to do this with a strip-cut shredder, but cross-cut paper has
> to either be composted or treated as rubbish.
>
> Here's the official advice for it in my locale:
> http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Recycling/Recyclable_Items/COS_005453.asp
>
Well thats kind of interesting, I would never have thought that the
fibers could be to short to be recycled. I guess that means that it's
either trash or composting. I have no composting pile, in fact I have
never even tried it, I don't produce much organic waste as a single
male, but I guess I could use the grapefruit from the tree in my back
yard as the organic waste for a compost pile.

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TOPIC: When 50% is actually 27% off....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 6:22 am
From: Bill Rider

OhioGuy wrote:

> I believe that large stores like this often mark things incorrectly on
> purpose to mislead and get higher profit margins from customers. The "right
> price or it's free" policy is put there by corporate headquarters as a check
> on this - one that can be enacted by consumers who are paying attention.
>
> At the same store, my wife finds on average that 10% of the time, they try
> to overcharge on at least one item.
>
When it was becoming common for grocery stores not to put stickers on
items, Consumer Reports said 90% of the time, errors were in stores'
favor. At the local $ General, sometimes prices aren't posted even on
a shelf. If I ask a clerk, she'll say the only way to find the price is
to have it scanned at the register.

Modern supermarkets need an awful lot of shelf space to offer a bigger
variety (of sizes, for example) than the customer wants. It increases
overhead and makes shopping a bigger chore. I believe the purpose is to
make it harder for customers to remember what's a good price.

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TOPIC: Good AM/FM Radios?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:36 am
From: Bill Rider

Don K wrote:
> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
> news:6ZrVi.41086$b9.1289@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> Don K wrote:
>>> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
>>> news:ScpVi.11679$ho4.867@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Don K wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For me, a good radio would have to have digital tuning, a half-way decent
>>>>> speaker (but not be a ridiculous boom-box),
>>>> Are all boom-boxes ridiculous?
>>> Pretty-much by definition.
>> The audio/speaker of my $300 radio isn't very good. A $50 boom box can be clearer and
>> easier to listen to.
>
> The boombox design concept is ridiculous, IMO.
>
> A boombox can be clearer than a radio with a tiny speaker, but it's usually
> in a ridiculously oversized box. And yet the stereo speakers are either too close
> together to provide much benefit, or too cumbersome for portable operation
> if they're moveable. Better to just have a decent mono speaker, IMO.
>
> Don
>
>

For many years about 1970 I had two AC/DC tabletop radios. One was a
very good name-brand model that was very heavy and took up about 60
cubic inches. The other was a no-name brand that took up about 250
cubic inches and was almost as light as styrofoam. It sounded better
because the box was big enough to get a good speaker response. The only
advantage to the expensive one was that it would fit in a jacket pocket.

My shortwave radio is like that expensive pocket radio: nearly 4 pounds
and 125 cubic inches. There's not enough air in that box for a good
response from the 3" speaker.

I got an improvement when I built an external speaker. I bought a
midrange and a 4" woofer. After finding the woofer's free-air
resonance, I calculated that I would need a box of 800 cubic inches.

For twenty years I've had a plastic boombox that now I use on my desk to
play music from my computer. I have the speakers nearly four feet
apart. The cones are 3" and the boxes 180 cubic inches. The response
is smooth with a gradual roll-off about 100 Hz.

I used to have two good boomboxes. I gave one to a teenaged niece
because the boombox she got for Christmas had a horrible resonance. Not
all boomboxes sound good. One problem with hers was that the speaker
boxes weren't big enough.

Relatives are very proud of their $1000 stereo with two tiny satellite
speakers and one woofer. To me, it doesn't sound as good as a $100
conventional system. I think it's because the satellite speakers are
too small to handle the required frequencies well.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:54 am
From: rick++

Why is the "t" silent?

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TOPIC: Be Aware of Third World Batteries
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 7:56 am
From: clams casino

sara shh wrote:

>How will you extend the life of the battery for longer? Consider the
>following recommendations...
>
>
>
>

I'm confused. Exactly how does reading SPAM from Pakistan extend the
life of batteries?

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TOPIC: wireless Keyboards
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:14 am
From: me@privacy.net

>Only real downside is that I have a hard floor, not carpet, and it isnt
>hard to drop the mouse on the floor occasionally. Hasnt killed it yet tho.

Does anyone know if a keyboard with built in trackball
might be better...a wireless unit that is?

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TOPIC: Rechargeable Batteries
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:37 am
From: Bill Rider

Pan wrote:
> Can some give some info on rechargeable batteries?
> 1) What's better, NiCd or NiMh. Or are they meant for
> different kind of usage.

In 1981, my first set of NiCads lasted only a year. Ten years ago I
bought 8 NiMH that are still in daily use. I thought they were better.

I was wrong. The big secret is fast charging. Slow charging allows
crystals to grow, and they cause internal shorts. Soon your battery
won't hold a charge long. Then it won't charge at all.

Two drawbacks to NiCads are that a given size probably won't hold as
much charge as NiMH and the cadmium is toxic. Advantages are that a
fast charger can charge NiCad more reliably than NiMH, NiCad will hold a
charge more weeks, and NiCad will last more cycles.

> 2) Batteries have stuff like 1000 mAh, 2000 mAh etc
> written on them - i would assume that this is the amount of
> charge they hold - i.e. how long they would last on a single
> charge for a particular kind of use. For comparison, does
> anyone know who much charge that a regular non-rechargeable
> Duracell hold - so that I can figure out what mAh rechargeables
> I would need?

It depends on how much power you draw. An alkaline cell has more energy
than a rechargeable, but you can't get all the energy out because
internal resistance increases as the battery drains. An alkaline won't
supply as much energy to a 5-amp load as to a 1-amp load. If you let
the alkaline rest, resistance will drop and you can get some more energy
out of it. So it's complicated.

> 3) What is the highest mAh available in the market?

I don't pay attention to that. It's easier to keep charged cells handy.
I'm afraid the ones with the highest capacity may have layers too
thin to last long.

> 4) Are there good & bad brands for the rechareable batteries &
> the chargers?

I'd look for a charger that has a light for each cell. I think most
have a light for each pair of cells. I don't like that. When you have
a light for each cell, the microprocessor knows when that cell is charged.

> 5) Let's say I buy a charger & 2000 mAh batteries & tommorow
> I decide to get 2500 mAh battereries, would I have to buy a new
> charger or can the same old one charge the 2500 mAh batteries
> also.

No problem. There may be a problem between NiCad and NiMH. I have a
charger that will charge four NiMH on four circuits in 20 minutes or so.
It warns against charging NiCad. I have a slower fast charger that
will work for either.

> 6) I would mainly be requiring AAA but can the same charger charge
> both AA & AAA cells?
>
>
AA is supposed to be the ideal size for NiCad or NiMH. For remotes I
stick to alkaline AAA because alkalines hold their charge a lot longer.

I got an MP3 player that uses 1 AAA. I wish it used AA. Instead of
fooling with AAA rechargeables, I'll buy a new player. I got an LED
flashlight that uses 3 AAAs. I'll use it as little as possible. Maybe
I ought to look into the feasibility of AAA rechargeables.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:46 am
From: skarkada@gmail.com

Pan,

I think you should seriously consider hybrid rechargeable batteries.
One added advantage with these batteries is that, once charged, they
hold the charge for a long time (better shelf life).

Regular rechargeable batteries slowly lose their charge (even when not
used) and have no juice in them when you really need them.

Wal-Mart used to sell them (I don't recall the brand) for much cheaper
than online price. Use the keywords "hybrid" and "rechargeable" on
Amazon to find those batteries.

I bought 8 of those batteries at Wal-Mart last year for use in my S2-
IS camera and I am extremely happy with them. I used to have plain old
NiMH rechargeables before and had bad experience (no energy when I
needed them).

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TOPIC: CFL's
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 30 2007 8:47 am
From: Anthony Matonak

aesthete8@hotmail.com wrote:
> What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
> lights?

a) See a Doctor.
b) Don't use CFLs.
c) Find a better bridge to hide under.

Anthony

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