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Thursday, October 11, 2007

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TOPIC: Free Hypoallergenic Pillowcase
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Life Insurance - A Boon
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 3:24 am
From: InsurInfo

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 4:36 am
From: Anthony Matonak

InsurInfo wrote:
> We are living in a hefty world of pain.

"Oh, The Pain, The Pain." Dr. Smith

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"There is purpose in pain, Otherwise it were devilish." Owen Meredith
"The mark of rank in nature is capacity for pain" Sarah Williams
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"Pain is life--the sharper, the more evidence of life." Charles Lamb

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> Who knows what will happen to us next?.

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> Imagine, What will happen to our family after we pass out?

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TOPIC: Restaurant coupon issue - how SHOULD I have reacted?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 3:31 am
From: "OhioGuy"

Yesterday my wife and I went out to eat and used a coupon, which wasn't
entirely accepted properly. Here's what happened:

My wife knew we'd be a bit pressed for time after she got home from work,
so I called up in the early afternoon and made reservations for the food to
be ready at 5:50.

We have one of those GM Motor Club cards, which also comes with the
Entertainment Coupons online. I got on there and printed out a coupon for
Las Piramides Mexican restaurant. It said buy one of the combo meals, get
one free. Simple enough, right? My wife was demanding enough to just tell
me she wanted something with meat.

When I called to make the reservation, I explained up front that I needed
two of the combo meals, and then asked what the combinations were. The guy
I talked to could speak English, but I wasn't sure from his responses if he
entirely understood me completely. At the end of the conversation, he did
repeat my reservation for 2, the time, and the meals, though.

Anyway, when we got to the restaurant, I made sure to show them the coupon
up front, just like it said to.

The food was good. I had a Chile Relleno, some sort of salad with
quacamole on a tostada, plus rice and refried beans. My wife had chicken
quesadillas with a salad, rice and refried beans. The combo meals were all
supposed to be $8. I left a decent tip for what the full price would
normally be.

When they brought the bill, I noticed that my wife's meal was $12.95,
while mine was $8.95. Ok, I could see the $8.95 - prices had evidently gone
up a bit. I went up to pay, expecting to get the lesser of the two for
free. I explained that I had expected to only pay around $9, because I had
asked on the phone for two combo meals. She told me sorry - but the second
meal was not a combo meal - it was essentially a combo meal with the
addition of the chicken quesadillas.

Because the second meal was not a combo meal, she told me that the coupon
was not valid. At first she said I'd have to pay the full price of about
$22. I told them no way was I going to do that when I clearly asked for 2
combo meals over the phone, and expected to only pay about $8.

She then countered by saying she could take $5 off for the coupon, but
that it would not be "buy one, get one free" like the coupon stated, and
that they were just "being nice" since the second meal didn't qualify under
the terms of the coupon.

I grudgingly ended up paying $17 for the 2 meals - more than twice what I
had expected to. I'm not saying that the food wasn't worth it - it was
good. However, the whole issue was caused by a person on the phone who
evidently did not understand me completely.

When my wife got out to the car and we talked about it, she said her
Father never would have paid that much. Evidently her Father was well known
for paying cash, and paying only exactly what he expected to pay, then
walking out. She said I should have at least argued and negotiated with
them until they either accepted the payment I expected, or I should have
just laid down cash and walked out, saying that if it wasn't ok, then I
would never be back, and clearly laying the blame for the whole issue with
the fact that they have people on the phone who don't completely understand
English.

I'm not a confrontational person - but maybe my wife is right. Perhaps I
let people walk all over me too much.

Should I have done what my wife suggested - simply laid down a 10 spot and
walked out - explaining that they need to honor what I was told on the
phone, or I'd never set foot in their door again?

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 3:50 am
From: Al Bundy

OhioGuy wrote:

>
> When my wife got out to the car and we talked about it, she said her
> Father never would have paid that much. Evidently her Father was well known
> for paying cash, and paying only exactly what he expected to pay, then
> walking out. She said I should have at least argued and negotiated with
> them until they either accepted the payment I expected, or I should have
> just laid down cash and walked out, saying that if it wasn't ok, then I
> would never be back, and clearly laying the blame for the whole issue with
> the fact that they have people on the phone who don't completely understand
> English.
>
> I'm not a confrontational person - but maybe my wife is right. Perhaps I
> let people walk all over me too much.
>
> Should I have done what my wife suggested - simply laid down a 10 spot and
> walked out - explaining that they need to honor what I was told on the
> phone, or I'd never set foot in their door again?

You should check deep in the pocket of your wife's purse and retrieve
your testicles, but be sure to ask her permission first or she will
dope slap you.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 4:03 am
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 11, 6:31 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Yesterday my wife and I went out to eat and used a coupon, which wasn't
> entirely accepted properly. Here's what happened:
>
> My wife knew we'd be a bit pressed for time after she got home from work,
> so I called up in the early afternoon and made reservations for the food to
> be ready at 5:50.
>
> We have one of those GM Motor Club cards, which also comes with the
> Entertainment Coupons online. I got on there and printed out a coupon for
> Las Piramides Mexican restaurant. It said buy one of the combo meals, get
> one free. Simple enough, right? My wife was demanding enough to just tell
> me she wanted something with meat.
>
> When I called to make the reservation, I explained up front that I needed
> two of the combo meals, and then asked what the combinations were. The guy
> I talked to could speak English, but I wasn't sure from his responses if he
> entirely understood me completely. At the end of the conversation, he did
> repeat my reservation for 2, the time, and the meals, though.
>
> Anyway, when we got to the restaurant, I made sure to show them the coupon
> up front, just like it said to.
>
> The food was good. I had a Chile Relleno, some sort of salad with
> quacamole on a tostada, plus rice and refried beans. My wife had chicken
> quesadillas with a salad, rice and refried beans. The combo meals were all
> supposed to be $8. I left a decent tip for what the full price would
> normally be.
>
> When they brought the bill, I noticed that my wife's meal was $12.95,
> while mine was $8.95. Ok, I could see the $8.95 - prices had evidently gone
> up a bit. I went up to pay, expecting to get the lesser of the two for
> free. I explained that I had expected to only pay around $9, because I had
> asked on the phone for two combo meals. She told me sorry - but the second
> meal was not a combo meal - it was essentially a combo meal with the
> addition of the chicken quesadillas.
>
> Because the second meal was not a combo meal, she told me that the coupon
> was not valid. At first she said I'd have to pay the full price of about
> $22. I told them no way was I going to do that when I clearly asked for 2
> combo meals over the phone, and expected to only pay about $8.
>
> She then countered by saying she could take $5 off for the coupon, but
> that it would not be "buy one, get one free" like the coupon stated, and
> that they were just "being nice" since the second meal didn't qualify under
> the terms of the coupon.
>
> I grudgingly ended up paying $17 for the 2 meals - more than twice what I
> had expected to. I'm not saying that the food wasn't worth it - it was
> good. However, the whole issue was caused by a person on the phone who
> evidently did not understand me completely.
>
> When my wife got out to the car and we talked about it, she said her
> Father never would have paid that much. Evidently her Father was well known
> for paying cash, and paying only exactly what he expected to pay, then
> walking out. She said I should have at least argued and negotiated with
> them until they either accepted the payment I expected, or I should have
> just laid down cash and walked out, saying that if it wasn't ok, then I
> would never be back, and clearly laying the blame for the whole issue with
> the fact that they have people on the phone who don't completely understand
> English.
>
> I'm not a confrontational person - but maybe my wife is right. Perhaps I
> let people walk all over me too much.
>
> Should I have done what my wife suggested - simply laid down a 10 spot and
> walked out - explaining that they need to honor what I was told on the
> phone, or I'd never set foot in their door again?

Since you said you were not sure if the person on the phone entirely
understood
you, you should have made sure someone else did when you arrived
at the restaurant BEFORE you got your food, not after you ate it.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 4:09 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <feku21$h1v$1@aioe.org>, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> Should I have done what my wife suggested - simply laid down a 10 spot and
> walked out - explaining that they need to honor what I was told on the
> phone, or I'd never set foot in their door again?

I would have asked to speak with a manager. I would also report this
incident in writing to the publisher of that coupon book to let them
know their coupons are not being honored by that establishment.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 5:03 am
From: "Don K"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:feku21$h1v$1@aioe.org...
> I grudgingly ended up paying $17 for the 2 meals - more than twice what I had expected
> to. I'm not saying that the food wasn't worth it - it was good. However, the whole
> issue was caused by a person on the phone who evidently did not understand me
> completely.

No the issue was caused by you. Your coupon said 2 combo meals. You
ordered something else. You can't negotiate for something different over
the phone with someone who does not fully understand what you're talking
about.

When you got to the restaurant you should have clarified whether the coupon
would still apply even with the substitutions, before you ordered. Then
you would have a case if they didn't do what they agreed to

IMO, be thankful you didn't overreact and make a fool of yourself.

Don

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 6:58 am
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 11, 8:03 am, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote in messagenews:feku21$h1v$1@aioe.org...
> > I grudgingly ended up paying $17 for the 2 meals - more than twice what I had expected
> > to. I'm not saying that the food wasn't worth it - it was good. However, the whole
> > issue was caused by a person on the phone who evidently did not understand me
> > completely.
>
> No the issue was caused by you. Your coupon said 2 combo meals. You
> ordered something else. You can't negotiate for something different over
> the phone with someone who does not fully understand what you're talking
> about.
>
> When you got to the restaurant you should have clarified whether the coupon
> would still apply even with the substitutions, before you ordered. Then
> you would have a case if they didn't do what they agreed to
>
> IMO, be thankful you didn't overreact and make a fool of yourself.
>
> Don

Don, it's fun to talk about, but to some extent we may be wasting our
time. Ohio Guy is either a world class troller on this group or dumb
as a rock. He's always asking for us to find him potato chips for 1¢
an ounce like he saw somewhere or some other foolishness. I replied to
his post about writing articles for money that he could make plenty of
money just writing about his life honestly because it surely must be a
trip. The deeper he goes into his lifestyle, the better it gets. Soon
it will be enough for a novel.
Don't stop, Ohio Guy. It's fun reading no matter what.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 7:26 am
From: Zuke

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Siskuwihane wrote:

> On Oct 11, 6:31 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday my wife and I went out to eat and used a coupon, which wasn't
>> entirely accepted properly. Here's what happened:
>>
>> My wife knew we'd be a bit pressed for time after she got home from work,
>> so I called up in the early afternoon and made reservations for the food to
>> be ready at 5:50.
>>
>> We have one of those GM Motor Club cards, which also comes with the
>> Entertainment Coupons online. I got on there and printed out a coupon for
>> Las Piramides Mexican restaurant. It said buy one of the combo meals, get
>> one free. Simple enough, right? My wife was demanding enough to just tell
>> me she wanted something with meat.
>>
>> When I called to make the reservation, I explained up front that I needed
>> two of the combo meals, and then asked what the combinations were. The guy
>> I talked to could speak English, but I wasn't sure from his responses if he
>> entirely understood me completely. At the end of the conversation, he did
>> repeat my reservation for 2, the time, and the meals, though.
>>
>> Anyway, when we got to the restaurant, I made sure to show them the coupon
>> up front, just like it said to.
>>
>> The food was good. I had a Chile Relleno, some sort of salad with
>> quacamole on a tostada, plus rice and refried beans. My wife had chicken
>> quesadillas with a salad, rice and refried beans. The combo meals were all
>> supposed to be $8. I left a decent tip for what the full price would
>> normally be.
>>
>> When they brought the bill, I noticed that my wife's meal was $12.95,
>> while mine was $8.95. Ok, I could see the $8.95 - prices had evidently gone
>> up a bit. I went up to pay, expecting to get the lesser of the two for
>> free. I explained that I had expected to only pay around $9, because I had
>> asked on the phone for two combo meals. She told me sorry - but the second
>> meal was not a combo meal - it was essentially a combo meal with the
>> addition of the chicken quesadillas.
>>
>> Because the second meal was not a combo meal, she told me that the coupon
>> was not valid. At first she said I'd have to pay the full price of about
>> $22. I told them no way was I going to do that when I clearly asked for 2
>> combo meals over the phone, and expected to only pay about $8.
>>
>> She then countered by saying she could take $5 off for the coupon, but
>> that it would not be "buy one, get one free" like the coupon stated, and
>> that they were just "being nice" since the second meal didn't qualify under
>> the terms of the coupon.
>>
>> I grudgingly ended up paying $17 for the 2 meals - more than twice what I
>> had expected to. I'm not saying that the food wasn't worth it - it was
>> good. However, the whole issue was caused by a person on the phone who
>> evidently did not understand me completely.
>>
>> When my wife got out to the car and we talked about it, she said her
>> Father never would have paid that much. Evidently her Father was well known
>> for paying cash, and paying only exactly what he expected to pay, then
>> walking out. She said I should have at least argued and negotiated with
>> them until they either accepted the payment I expected, or I should have
>> just laid down cash and walked out, saying that if it wasn't ok, then I
>> would never be back, and clearly laying the blame for the whole issue with
>> the fact that they have people on the phone who don't completely understand
>> English.
>>
>> I'm not a confrontational person - but maybe my wife is right. Perhaps I
>> let people walk all over me too much.
>>
>> Should I have done what my wife suggested - simply laid down a 10 spot and
>> walked out - explaining that they need to honor what I was told on the
>> phone, or I'd never set foot in their door again?
>
> If you were note sure if the person on the phone entirely understood
> you then you should have made sure someones else did when you arrived
> at the restaurant BEFORE you got your food, not after you ate it.
>
>

You have lost the battle but not the war my friend. Find out their
busiest time. Sit yourself down at their best table. Order their
best steak. Eat 90% of
the meal. Find out your steak is not as you ordered it. Make a
scene out of the worst of the prison movie meal riot scenes.
Speak in a loud out of control voice, wave your arms frantically,
leap out of your chair, lose your balance and fall into a table
of eight upsetting all of their dinners. Restaurants love this type
of scene, it does wonder for the the enjoyment of their other
customers. Normally I wouldn't suggest such behavior but the
way your were mistreated gives you carte blanc in my opinion.
They are the ones who printed up those coupons, they were the ones
who misordered.

Was somebody holding down your wife so she couldn't
speak up? Point out to your wife that she lives in OHIO and not
AFGHANASTAN.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 8:10 am
From: George Grapman

On a related note I never buy into deals that require me to show the
coupon when the meal is ordered. If you are truly getting two for one
they should not need to know you have it before it is prepared.
For a few years we had something here called the Gusto Card. The card
was given to anyone with automatic credit card billing for the San
Francisco Chronicle. At first it was linked to your credit card and
later could be used with cash payment. It was accepted at places ranging
from a high end French restaurant to a local taco place.
The cards expired every 6 months and it took repeated calls to get a
new one. Finally it was discontinued, seems too many places instead of
getting new business were just giving discounts to regulars.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 5:07 am
From: Mike

Blash wrote:
> Mike at prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote to:
> misc.invest.stocks,
> alt.military,
> talk.atheism,
> misc.consumers.
> frugal-living,
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
>> I also note how you couldn't respond to either of my posts other than to
>> make an ad-hom attack.
>
> Try posting to ONE N/G where you MAY be on topic....
> Then, maybe you'll find someone who may care about your whining......
> If you're just looking for sympathetic responses, call Dr. Phil.......

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Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 5:50 am
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>news:gYaPi.340110$dA7.257130@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>>Chloe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I don't understand why comic books wouldn't fit the media mail criteria.
>>>Could you please explain?
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>Comic books typically have more than incidental advertising.
>>
>>
>>
>did you contact the usps to verify that comic books cannot be sent media
>mail before posting? you're the one claiming he's cheating. maybe he
>contacted them and was told it was fine.
>
>
>
>

did you contact the usps to verify that comic books can be sent media
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 5:52 am
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joe brown wrote:

>clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Chloe wrote:
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>>
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>>>"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>OhioGuy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It does, your illegally uses media mail to ship comics, >that why
>>>>>>there is such a large discrepancy between the >two numbers,
>>>>>>compare priority mail with international >priority mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Media mail is perfectly legal for comics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Obviously, you've convinced yourself.
>>>>
>>>>Just because you've been able to cheat the system, doesn't mean it's
>>>>correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I don't understand why comic books wouldn't fit the media mail
>>>criteria. Could you please explain?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Comic books typically have more than incidental advertising.
>>
>>
>>" Media Mail(r) service is a cost efficient way to mail books, sound
>>recordings, recorded video tapes, printed music, and recorded
>>computer-readable media (such as CDs, DVDs, and diskettes). Media Mail
>>can not contain advertising except for incidental announcements of
>>books."
>>
>>"Bound Printed Matter is material that consists of advertising,
>>promotional, directory, or editorial material that is securely bound
>>(not loose-leaf binders), consists of sheets of which at least 90
>>percent are imprinted by a process other than handwriting or
>>typewriting, contains no personal correspondence and is not stationery
>>(such as pads of blank printed forms)."
>>
>>
>
>Clearly comic books are included in the second one because
>advertising is fine when its bound and its clearly all printed.
>
>
>
>
books / reading material do NOT qualify for bound printed matter. That
is for "advertising, promotional, directory, or editorial material"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 5:56 am
From: Panda Wallop

On Oct 10, 10:47 pm, Alan Truism <alan.tru...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm all for water conservation, but I don't really care to get his piss on
> me from urinal splash back.

Urinal splash back?

That's some powerful stream you have there, son. Either that, or
you're doing it wrong.

"Yeah, and it's deep, too!"

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TOPIC: Ciggerates Online
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TOPIC: Half & Half frozen?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 7:10 am
From: Boothbay

Can it be frozen as an unopened carton? If so, would it be any good?
Going on vacation and have no use for it now.

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TOPIC: I found out why they turned off my power . . . Ugh . . .
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 7:23 am
From: "Chloe"

"Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
news:ct7rg31v8apr5b537ii1m6v448vl201pbq@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:44:09 GMT, "Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Oh ya, I forgot one thing . . .
>>
>>It seems that here in Texas, they can't turn your power off until they
>>tell
>>you, in writing, what they're about to do. Since the post office sent
>>the
>>mail back, of course I didn't get their message, and it seems to me that
>>they didn't comply with Texas law on that. Could they have? Sure, they
>>managed to get the power shut off on the right apartment.
>>
>>
>
>
> They can show that they tried to contact you. Can you show that you
> tried to pay them? Did you bother to check into why you weren't
> receiving bills?
>
> Does that law state anywhere that they must have a signed reciept from
> you? How long are they supposed to go without payment. If that law is
> strictly enforced, as stated, then people can simply return their mail
> unopened and state incorrect address and have free power for years on
> end.
>
> You were 3 months behind on your bill. Be happy if they split the
> difference with you.

Just as a caution, I had a related type of problem a few years ago with a
property tax bill. I'd taken over all the bill-paying duties for an elderly
aunt who lived in a different city, and had put a forwarding order on all
her mail, because she didn't want to receive any of it. Unfortunately I
didn't know that the property tax office has a "do not forward" order on
their bills. Furthermore, I didn't know when the bills were mailed or
due--they publish a backup newspaper notice but that didn't reach me. They
sent some kind of delinquent notice which *was* forwarded, and when I called
to explain the situation were nice about waiving the delinquent fee. It
probably didn't hurt that it was the first time the payment was late in 40
years <g>.

Watch out for Sam's Club, too. In all the upheaval of moving the last time,
I failed to notice I hadn't received their bill. They also do not forward
and although the PO notified them of our correct new address, they input it
into their computer incorrectly. It was really fun trying to get all this
straightened out with the guy at the call center in India.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 7:41 am
From: me@privacy.net

>Depends on the resolution capabilities of the HDTV. A large screen
>with 720p isn't great for working with text on a PC. HDTVs capable of
>1080p are more generally expensive.

I see

So typically LCD HDTV's do NOT have enough resolution
capability to make a decent external monitor...say for
a laptop or something?

I ask this question for myself as I'm wanting to buy
14" laptop but would occasionally also like to use an
external monitor with it. And since I'm in market for a
TV (don't own one right now) have considered using an
LCD TV as the external monitor.

So are you telling me I might be better served getting
a decent size computer monitor (24") and an external TV
tuner?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 8:12 am
From: Jeff

me@privacy.net wrote:
>>Depends on the resolution capabilities of the HDTV. A large screen
>>with 720p isn't great for working with text on a PC. HDTVs capable of
>>1080p are more generally expensive.
>
>
> I see
>
> So typically LCD HDTV's do NOT have enough resolution
> capability to make a decent external monitor...say for
> a laptop or something?
>
> I ask this question for myself as I'm wanting to buy
> 14" laptop but would occasionally also like to use an
> external monitor with it. And since I'm in market for a
> TV (don't own one right now) have considered using an
> LCD TV as the external monitor.
>
> So are you telling me I might be better served getting
> a decent size computer monitor (24") and an external TV
> tuner?

Not necessarily. Note the post on viewing angle of monitors. Also
note the bit about televisions generally being brighter.

Typically monitors had higher resolutions (good for text) and
televisions had that sexy low pass filtering that was good for motion.
Now, technology has changed quite a bit but it still appears that most
televisions don't make good monitors.

Does a 1080 television have 1080 pixels, what happens when this is
rescanned down, or vice versa? LCDs have native resolutions, unlike CRTs
that are limited to what their flybacks can swing.

It's still a little confusing but I've learned a great deal here...

Jeff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 11 2007 8:24 am
From: me@privacy.net

> Not necessarily. Note the post on viewing angle of monitors. Also
>note the bit about televisions generally being brighter.

> Typically monitors had higher resolutions (good for text) and
>televisions had that sexy low pass filtering that was good for motion.
>Now, technology has changed quite a bit but it still appears that most
>televisions don't make good monitors.

> It's still a little confusing but I've learned a great deal here...

Me too

You would think it would be possible to make one kind
of display that is good for BOTH computer use and TV
use...so that people could only own one device

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