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* 5 Myths About Sick Old Europe - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* Ron Paul... - 10 messages, 7 authors
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TOPIC: 5 Myths About Sick Old Europe
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:06 pm
From: Don S

Joe wrote:
> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
> rich.
> Read about it at http://Muvy.org
>
I have been to Italy, France and Spain and I will take the U.S.A. over
them all, any day.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
> <blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>
>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>> rich.
>>
>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>
> Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is 20
> times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.

Or it might just be a hell of a lot easier for those who move there to get in there.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:19 pm
From: Don S

Rod Speed wrote:

> Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
>><blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>>>rich.
>>>
>>>AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>>>The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>>
>>Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is 20
>>times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.
>
>
> Or it might just be a hell of a lot easier for those who move there to get in there.
>
>
No its the terrorist from Iran moving in to try to take over the country.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:56 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don S <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
>>> <blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not
>>>>> filthy rich.
>>>>
>>>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>>>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>>>
>>> Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is
>>> 20 times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.
>>
>>
>> Or it might just be a hell of a lot easier for those who move there
>> to get in there.
> No

Yep. Much easier for most of those in adjacent countrys
to get into Syria than for anyone to get into the US.

> its the terrorist from Iran moving in to try to take over the country.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:21 pm
From: "Herb Kauhry"

Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
20% of the things he should have.

<aaaaaaaadftdfgdfgdfgdfgdgdf@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1191576007.176964.324420@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Has never voted to raise taxes.
> Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> Has never taken a government-paid junket.
> Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
> Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
> Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> U.S. treasury every year.
> Voted against the Patriot Act.
> Voted against the Iraq war.
>
> http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
>

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:35 pm
From: George Grapman

Herb Kauhry wrote:
> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in all.
> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
> 20% of the things he should have.
>

Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:01 pm
From: "Leon Baker"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in
>> all.
>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
>> on
>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>
>
>
> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
> Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
business???

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:15 pm
From: John McWilliams

Leon Baker wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in
>>> all.
>>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
>>> on
>>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>>
>>
>> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
>> Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
>
>
> Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
> business???
>

Debatable. fu set.

--
lsmft

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:23 pm
From: George Grapman

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:46 pm
From: John McWilliams

George Grapman wrote:
> Leon Baker wrote:
>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>>>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/

>>>> in all.
>>>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
>>>> ALL on
>>>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
>>> allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
>>
>>
>> Could that be because the government has no business being in the
>> healthcare business???
>>
> That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
> negotiated prices, it works for the VA
> By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

Somewhat.

lsmft

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:48 pm
From: George Grapman

John McWilliams wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>> Leon Baker wrote:
>>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>>>>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/

>>>>> in all.
>>>>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
>>>>> ALL on
>>>>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
>>>> allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could that be because the government has no business being in the
>>> healthcare business???
>>>
>> That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
>> negotiated prices, it works for the VA
>> By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?
>
> Somewhat.
>
Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:01 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <H%fOi.5108$4V6.4006@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
>private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
>one can assume the government paid for your education.

Nonsense. "The government" never paid a dime for his education, or yours, or
mine, or anyone else's. The *taxpayers* paid for it.

"Government money" is a myth.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:06 pm
From: rdadams@panix.com (Dick Adams)

< Ron Paul gibberish snipped )

I am a conservative Republican and have always voted as one.
If Ron Paul were elected President, my advice is to sell all
of your equity securities (stocks) and invest everything in
debt securities (bonds) because the stock market will drop
and interest rates will rise. IMRHO this guy is several
fries short of a Happy Meal.

Dick

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:18 pm
From: gfretwell@aol.com

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:48:23 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
>private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
>one can assume the government paid for your education.

In fact I did go to a private school that received no public funding
and my parents still had to pay school taxes.
I have no real problem with public funding of education, it is the
government operation of the schools itself that is the problem

Lee County Florida public school system is taxing us $20,000 a student
(annual budget 1.7 billion) for a school system that still produces
mediocre results. The best private school in town is cheaper. The main
problem with the public school system, and education in general in the
US, is it is run by people who went to school at 4 or 5 years old and
never left.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:25 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <johfg3h5siilln5pn7gltmtu5gup38hcit@4ax.com>,
Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob@aol.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:04:28 -0400, Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >> much less the ICC or the UN, when it happens
> >
> > Who cares what the ICC or the UN think? An organization that
> > puts Syria on its Human Rights committee has no credibility.
>
> Actually, that (and the simultaneous removal of the US from the HRC)
> were deliberate and entirely justified snubs of the US in which the UN
> says, "Despite Syria's obvious shortcomings, it's more moral on the
> subject of Human Rights than the US is."

Like I said, they have no credibility.

Do we execute people for not following a state religion?

No.

Do we systematically and throughout all levels of society impose social,
political and sexual oppression on women merely because they are women?

No.

And that's just two examples. The U.S. may have its shortcomings
(there's not a country on the planet that doesn't) but to say that Syria
is actually *better* is outright idiocy.

The United Nations is so corrupt, it makes our Congress look like a
choirboy convention. Nothing they say or do has any credibility
whatsoever.

> >> -- the Cheney Hegemony has clearly committed war crimes. And
> >> frankly, when they come for the Shrub, Cheney, Rumsfeld and
> >> Gonzales, nobody but the Faux Noisehounds will even attempt
> >> to stick up for them.

> > There will be a helluva lot more than a news network
> > standing against them if foreign military or law enforcement
> > personnel attempt to operate on US soil.

> Which won't happen. I think they'll be handed over to the
> ICC on a silver platter.

Please elaborate on how you see this occurring.

And note that if the USA doesn't participate in the ICC, the ICC has no
legal jurisdiction over its citizens.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:28 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <bearclaw-4F269D.10511206102007@news.supernews.com>,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

> As long as you can hate 'em and hurt 'em right? That's all that gives
> your worthless life meaning, after all.

"Aaaahhhhh! Look! There's racists everywhere. Everyone's a racist but
me!"

You're a cartoon.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:36 pm
From: New Leaf

On Oct 7, 7:19 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
> > Dawn <lin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
>
> > You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
> > Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.
>
> They could also bring a book, perhaps even from the library. This
> would be for those who take things literary. There are also MP3
> players that can be found for less than $30 and audio books or
> lectures. There are also portable video or dvd players, for folks
> who prefer to just rent the movie.
>
> I've found one of the more interesting ways to spend a little time
> is striking up conversations with strangers.
>
> Anthony

Speaking of creative ways to spend time and not waste money.... I
found that the cheapest place to get an oil change on DH's old BMW is
at the dealership. I wait until I have an appointment for the doctor
or financial guy or whatever in City X, about 90 minutes away. Parking
in City X is hard to find and very expensive. I make an appointment at
the dealership for about an hour before my appointment. I go to the
dealership, use their beautifully clean bathroom, book the car in,
make myself a latte from their high-end self-serve machine, get my
niece a hot chocolate if she's with me, and then have their shuttle
take me to my appointment. Afterwards, I have them pick me up to go
back to the dealership, and there's my car, all clean and shiny on the
outside from their complimentary carwash, all tidy on the inside from
the free vacuuming service, a nice cool bottle of free water in the
cup-holder. The cost, $29.95 + tax, is about the same as a day of
parking in City X. I take a look at the new BMW models, get a couple
of free Post-It pads from the sales area, have another latte, and head
home. They treat me like gold there. Once they found a burned out bulb
in the headlight and suggested new windshield wipers, but mostly, I'm
out of there for about $35.

Viv

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:03 pm
From: George Grapman

New Leaf wrote:
> On Oct 7, 7:19 pm, Anthony Matonak
> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> Dawn <lin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
>>> You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
>>> Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.
>> They could also bring a book, perhaps even from the library. This
>> would be for those who take things literary. There are also MP3
>> players that can be found for less than $30 and audio books or
>> lectures. There are also portable video or dvd players, for folks
>> who prefer to just rent the movie.
>>
>> I've found one of the more interesting ways to spend a little time
>> is striking up conversations with strangers.
>>
>> Anthony
>
> Speaking of creative ways to spend time and not waste money.... I
> found that the cheapest place to get an oil change on DH's old BMW is
> at the dealership. I wait until I have an appointment for the doctor
> or financial guy or whatever in City X, about 90 minutes away. Parking
> in City X is hard to find and very expensive. I make an appointment at
> the dealership for about an hour before my appointment. I go to the
> dealership, use their beautifully clean bathroom, book the car in,
> make myself a latte from their high-end self-serve machine, get my
> niece a hot chocolate if she's with me, and then have their shuttle
> take me to my appointment. Afterwards, I have them pick me up to go
> back to the dealership, and there's my car, all clean and shiny on the
> outside from their complimentary carwash, all tidy on the inside from
> the free vacuuming service, a nice cool bottle of free water in the
> cup-holder. The cost, $29.95 + tax, is about the same as a day of
> parking in City X. I take a look at the new BMW models, get a couple
> of free Post-It pads from the sales area, have another latte, and head
> home. They treat me like gold there. Once they found a burned out bulb
> in the headlight and suggested new windshield wipers, but mostly, I'm
> out of there for about $35.
>
> Viv
>
I used to work in Sausalito, just over the Golden Gate Bridge from
SF. My office was north of the downtown area, In the summer parking
could be very hard. My bank gave 30 minutes of validated parking for
just walking in and showing them my ATM card.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:36 pm
From: missussex

On Oct 7, 11:29 am, Dawn <lin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So in the name of
> frugality and all that is good for me I have started taking walks
> during that timeframe.
> Dawn, frugal and hopefully healthier.

Good for you, Dawn! Walking is doubly frugal, because you'll stay
healthier and require fewer medical services. You go, girl!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:41 pm
From: New Leaf

On Oct 2, 9:53 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Just curious - does anyone know the going rate these days for doing
> freelance writing for magazines?
>
> For 6 years, I had a monthly software and peripherals review column in a
> computer focused magazine. I also did freelance work for a newspaper.
> However, then I became a stay at home Dad when we had two kids within 12
> months.
>
> I can't really compare to what I made before, because both of those were
> "get your foot in the door to get some experience" sort of jobs. One was
> also for a nonprofit group. Like I said, I got a lot of experience, a free
> Internet connection for a few years, and some $. Hopefully this time
> around, I can get more of the latter.
>
> Now that they are finally both out of diapers, and I have made some
> progress on fixing up our double, I'd like to devote some time to writing
> again.
>
> However, I have no idea what a fair rate is these days. I don't want to
> hold out for too much, and lose work, but I also don't want to be getting
> less than the other folks. I'd like to put most of what I make into my ROTH
> IRA, which is sorely underfunded at this point.
>
> Anyone have a general idea?

There are so many people trying to work at home via the internet right
now that a lot of writers and aspiring writers are working for peanuts
and the market has really fallen apart for those who don't have
regular clients. I'm talking people working 50 hour weeks for $10,000
a year. Take a look at one of the online freelance writing sites. You
can bid for jobs and get a good idea of what is being offered. Some
people I know use

http://www.ifreelance.com/

I'm lucky to have a couple of regular clients in addition to my main
contract work, so I've never used the bidding sites, but if you have
time to polish your portfolio and spend some time working for very
litte, it might be a way to start.

Viv

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