Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

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TOPIC: What happened to surface mail shipping overseas?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e3751aa3d845f2e1?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 11:22 am
From: clams casino

OhioGuy wrote:

>>It does, your illegally uses media mail to ship comics, >that why there is
>>such a large discrepancy between the >two numbers, compare priority mail
>>with international >priority mail.
>>
>>
>
> Media mail is perfectly legal for comics.
>

Obviously, you've convinced yourself.

Just because you've been able to cheat the system, doesn't mean it's
correct.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 11:38 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Brian Elfert wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> writes:
>
>> I do not support airmail. Sure, it is fast, but it is also a very
>> polluting and inefficient way to get things from place to place. You have
>> to expend fuel negating the force of gravity the whole way. A ship
>> overcomes gravity naturally, just because it weighs less than the water it
>> displaces. Ships also use Diesel fuel, which has 40% more energy per
>> gallon, and thereby pollutes less per mile travelled. Of course, the
>> environmental impact is only the lesser part of my frustration.
>
> Any plane delivering mail would have jet engines. Jet fuel is a less
> refined version of diesel. Jet fuel can be used in most diesel engines.
>
> A ship is certainly more efficient than a plane, but not simply because
> they use diesel fuel. A lot of ships actually use fuel oil and a fairly
> thick fuel oil at that.
>
> This is kinda like when I asked UPS about ground shipping to Hawaii and
> they basically laughed at me. I assumed they could use a ship to do
> ground shipments, but no, they only offer air shipping to Hawaii.

"Ground shipping" is probably more accurately termed "surface shipping"
or "surface mail".

We ordered a book from Nepal once, sent surface mail. It took five months.

Remember when you had to pay extra for air mail for regular letters?
You don't? Oh, well, now I feel old. :-) (It was 1973, by the way.)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 12:16 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:RL8Pi.12839$bM6.7891@newsfe20.lga...
> OhioGuy wrote:
>
>>>It does, your illegally uses media mail to ship comics, >that why there
>>>is such a large discrepancy between the >two numbers, compare priority
>>>mail with international >priority mail.
>>>
>>
>> Media mail is perfectly legal for comics.
>
>
> Obviously, you've convinced yourself.
>
> Just because you've been able to cheat the system, doesn't mean it's
> correct.

so movies these days doesn't contain advertising for upcoming movies or
advertising disguised as product placement? advertising is advertising.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:44 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:470d34bb$0$26407$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
> news:RL8Pi.12839$bM6.7891@newsfe20.lga...
>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>
>>>>It does, your illegally uses media mail to ship comics, >that why there
>>>>is such a large discrepancy between the >two numbers, compare priority
>>>>mail with international >priority mail.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Media mail is perfectly legal for comics.
>>
>>
>> Obviously, you've convinced yourself.
>>
>> Just because you've been able to cheat the system, doesn't mean it's
>> correct.
>
> I don't understand why comic books wouldn't fit the media mail criteria.
> Could you please explain?

i think comics contain ads in the pages.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:52 pm
From: clams casino

Chloe wrote:

>"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>news:RL8Pi.12839$bM6.7891@newsfe20.lga...
>
>
>>OhioGuy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>It does, your illegally uses media mail to ship comics, >that why there
>>>>is such a large discrepancy between the >two numbers, compare priority
>>>>mail with international >priority mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Media mail is perfectly legal for comics.
>>>
>>>
>>Obviously, you've convinced yourself.
>>
>>Just because you've been able to cheat the system, doesn't mean it's
>>correct.
>>
>>
>
>I don't understand why comic books wouldn't fit the media mail criteria.
>Could you please explain?
>
>
>
>
Comic books typically have more than incidental advertising.

" Media Mail(r) service is a cost efficient way to mail books, sound
recordings, recorded video tapes, printed music, and recorded
computer-readable media (such as CDs, DVDs, and diskettes). Media Mail
can not contain advertising except for incidental announcements of books."

"Bound Printed Matter is material that consists of advertising,
promotional, directory, or editorial material that is securely bound
(not loose-leaf binders), consists of sheets of which at least 90
percent are imprinted by a process other than handwriting or
typewriting, contains no personal correspondence and is not stationery
(such as pads of blank printed forms)."

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:57 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:38:11 -0400, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
<eleeper@optonline.net> wrote:

>Remember when you had to pay extra for air mail for regular letters?
>You don't? Oh, well, now I feel old. :-) (It was 1973, by the way.)

I remember red white and blue envelopes that said "Par Avon" on them.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 3:27 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:gYaPi.340110$dA7.257130@newsfe16.lga...
> Chloe wrote:
>
>>I don't understand why comic books wouldn't fit the media mail criteria.
>>Could you please explain?

> Comic books typically have more than incidental advertising.
>
did you contact the usps to verify that comic books cannot be sent media
mail before posting? you're the one claiming he's cheating. maybe he
contacted them and was told it was fine.

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TOPIC: Dollars Stores and Liquid Soap
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f0bed274e0c47e99?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 11:31 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

larry wrote:
> Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
>> Just another note on liquid soaps in dollar stores: Not only is it
>> cheaper than at the grocery (even if you are buying large refill
>> containers), but you can get "ordinary" soap (i.e., not
>> anti-bacterial). For people who think that using anti-bacterial soap
>> all the time is a bad time, this is useful to know.
>
> Watch prices carefully at Dollar General. After their buyout, nothing
> but another cashcow raid by KKR, they changed a lot of suppliers and
> jacked up prices by about 30%!!!

I don't even go to Dollar General or Family Dollar. In my opinion, they
are mis-using the word "dollar" in their names. (Heck, I don't even
like the dollar stores that have only two or three items priced more
than a dollar!)

Dollar Tree is probably the best chain, but we have mom-and-pop ones as
well around here (central NJ) that are pretty good.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

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TOPIC: 5 Myths About Sick Old Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef3efcef81294249?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 11:47 am
From: Mike

Blash wrote:
> in article feitdk$l00$1@news04.infoave.net, Mike at prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com
> wrote on 10/10/07 12:08 PM:
>
>> Blash wrote:
>>> in article feb1vf$hr7$1@news04.infoave.net, Mike at prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com
>>> wrote on 10/7/07 12:37 PM:
>>>
>>>> Blash wrote:
>>>>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>>>>> rich.
>>>>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>>>>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>>>> The border patrol is keeping EUROPEANS out???
>>> Read it again S L O W L Y ! ! !
>> You, apparently, need to "[r]ead it again S L O W L Y ! ! !" The
>> original post was about Europeans and how they actually are better off
>> than Americans. YOU then started talking about the border patrol (who
>> basically cover the border between us and Mexico/Canada.) There IS no
>> "border" between us and Europe and thus the border patrol doesn't stop
>> THEM from entering and your "AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying
>> to get in the U.S." made no sense as a response to the "[Europeans are]
>> better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy rich."
>>
>>
>
> Are all those who feel the overwhelming need to cross-post mentally
> challenged???

Noting how you xposted your response in this thread before I replied to
you, then I would say "yes, apparently, you are mentally challenged if
anyone is."

I also note how you couldn't respond to either of my posts other than to
make an ad-hom attack.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:30 pm
From: Blash

Mike at prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote to:
misc.invest.stocks,
alt.military,
talk.atheism,
misc.consumers.
frugal-living,
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

> I also note how you couldn't respond to either of my posts other than to
> make an ad-hom attack.

Try posting to ONE N/G where you MAY be on topic....
Then, maybe you'll find someone who may care about your whining......
If you're just looking for sympathetic responses, call Dr. Phil.......

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TOPIC: They turned my electricity off! Geez . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c205655129881297?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 12:03 pm
From: USA1st

On Oct 10, 6:26 am, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> Tockk wrote:
> > I went home tonight, and lo and behold, the power is off to my humble
> > domicile. The adjacent apartments have power, so something's up.
>
> > Sheesh . . .
>
> Utilities generally let you go for a couple of months before they take
> any action. It would be unualy for a disconnection after one month.
>
>
>
> > As far as I can remember, I've paid my bills . . . so, I went to the Texas
> > Public Utility Commission website, and buried deep within its pages is this
> > little blurb under the heading "Disconnections:"
>
> A little advice if you want it.
>
> Call them tomorrow and be nice, don't go quoting disconnect terms
> off the bat.
>
> Ask the agent for help. Tell him/her that your power was disconnected
> and you don't know why. Ask them to look into this and see what they can do.
>
> They will want to help you if you ask for it and don't agravate them.
> They get a lot of agravation and they have boiler plate ways of dealing
> with that.
>
> Now as far as your email, I've never found that emailing any company
> does much of any good, let alone emailing a utility!
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----------------
> > Prior to disconnecting your service, your REP must provide you with a
> > written Disconnection Notice. This notice must be mailed to you separately
> > (or hand-delivered) no earlier than the first day after the date your bill
> > is due. The disconnection date must be 10 days from the date the notice is
> > issued and may not fall on a holiday or weekend (or the day preceding)
> > unless the REP's personnel are available to take payments and service can be
> > reconnected.
> > -----------------
>
> > I sure didn't get any kind of disconection notice from these people . . .
>
> > Ugh!
>
> > Well, I just got through firing off an e-mail to the electric company (Green
> > Mountain), and you can bet I'll be talking to them first thing in the
> > morning, too.
>
> > Anyone ever in a similar situation? Were you tempted to shoot anyone?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They don't let you go here. They send a bill with a payment due
date. If you don't pay it they send a disconnect notice and they cut
it off that day.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:30 pm
From: "cal2neb@gmail.com"

> My guess is that if the power company disconnected, it meant to
> disconnect someone else in the complex and got the wrong apartment.

This happens. I got my water turned off once when the utility meant
to turn off the neighbor's water. The valves were poorly marked.
Mistakes happen.

If you're cool with the power co. they'll be cool to you. If you come
in guns blazing, they'll hunker low and make sure you have an
experience worthy of your reaction.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 2:07 pm
From: "TKM"

"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:GRZOi.2221$lD6.919@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>I went home tonight, and lo and behold, the power is off to my humble
>domicile. The adjacent apartments have power, so something's up.
>
> Sheesh . . .
>
> As far as I can remember, I've paid my bills . . . so, I went to the Texas
> Public Utility Commission website, and buried deep within its pages is
> this little blurb under the heading "Disconnections:"
>
> -----------------
> Prior to disconnecting your service, your REP must provide you with a
> written Disconnection Notice. This notice must be mailed to you separately
> (or hand-delivered) no earlier than the first day after the date your bill
> is due. The disconnection date must be 10 days from the date the notice is
> issued and may not fall on a holiday or weekend (or the day preceding)
> unless the REP's personnel are available to take payments and service can
> be reconnected.
> -----------------
>
> I sure didn't get any kind of disconection notice from these people . . .
>
> Ugh!
>
> Well, I just got through firing off an e-mail to the electric company
> (Green Mountain), and you can bet I'll be talking to them first thing in
> the morning, too.
>
> Anyone ever in a similar situation? Were you tempted to shoot anyone?

Sounds like a tripped breaker or other technical problem to me too.

Find your electric meter. Put your ear on the glass. Most types make a
buzzing or humming noise if there is power at the meter. If not, the
problem could be a bad connection in the feed lines. I've had that
experience and once waited half a day thinking the power was off when it was
just a fault in my service line. Of course, check fuse box/breakers too as
others have said.

TKM

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 2:07 pm
From: Meghan Noecker

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:55:00 -0400, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>Tockk wrote:
>
>>I went home tonight, and lo and behold, the power is off to my humble
>>domicile. The adjacent apartments have power, so something's up.
>>
>>
>>Anyone ever in a similar situation? Were you tempted to shoot anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>We once came home from a week's vacation, only to find we had no power.
>Our neighbors had no problems and the street light our front was glowing.
>
>Something ate through the overhead power line leading to the house. We
>were told it was likely a squirrel.

I had a similar experience with my phone line. It suddenly quit, and I
h ad no idea why. My bill was fine, and my parents' phone line worked
fine. My dad said to call teh phone company and complain, but I didn't
want to risk a bill for repair if the problem was inside the house.
So, I asked him to check the line outside first, and we confirmed that
the line was working. So, we started tracing the wires. Turns out
there was a wire going to a phone jack that wasn't being used, and my
dad had accidentally cut it a few days earlier when working on
something else in the ceilling. It had taken that long for the wires
to cross and short out., Once he unhooked that wire, my phone line was
working.

Sometimes, the problem is not a company problem, but some freak
occurence inside the house.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 2:52 pm
From: "Don K"

Don't jump to the conclusion that it's disconnected.
1. Check the circuit breaker panel, if any, inside your apartment.
2. Call the utility and tell them you have no power.
3. Notify the apartment management you have no power.

It's not likely an administrative problem.

Don

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TOPIC: Turn your computer into a cash machine!!!
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TOPIC: Ron Paul...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:45 pm
From: Rico Yungblud

On Oct 7, 9:06 pm, rdad...@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
> < Ron Paul gibberish snipped )
>
> I am a conservative Republican and have always voted as one.
> If Ron Paul were elected President, my advice is to sell all
> of your equity securities (stocks) and invest everything in
> debt securities (bonds) because the stock market will drop
> and interest rates will rise. IMRHO this guy is several
> fries short of a Happy Meal.
>
> Dick

Yeah, only a loon would actually promise to keep his oath of office
instead of doing the opposite.

I predict that no matter who is elected, at some point the stop market
will drop and interest rates will rise.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 2:26 pm
From: "Dennis"

I have no idea how I came up with that, correct answer would be around 33
gpm.

(New calculator, still have figured the blasted thing out. Somehow it took
16 and squared it, when 16 was already a square. Everything seems backward -
best excuse I can think of....)

The Dewalt formula is simply listed as gallons per minute through a pipe. It
doesn't give the type of pipe (roughness or corrosion) so I would tend to
believe that the .0408 takes the worst case into consideration which would
correlate to the low figure being generated.

> 500 gpm seems like a rather high flow rate for gravity flow in a 4"
> plastic pipe with a drop of 1/4" per foot.
>
> If my calcs are correct....500 gpm thru a 4" pipe yields about 12 ft/
> sec not 2 ft/sec
>
> at 2 ft/sec, completely full, the 4" pipe, the pipe will flow ~80
> gpm....
>
> I haven't done the gravity flow calcs for a 4" pipe at 1/4" per ft but
> I'm guessing its more like 50 gpm max (just a WAG).
>
> Like I said, I haven't done the calcs, but my 3" drainline with ~1/4"
> per foot drop easily handles the ~15 gpm output of a garden hose but I
> doubt if it would handle 15x that flow.
>
> After a lot of searching I found
>
> http://vylonpipe.com/brochures/plasticpipe.pdf
>
> page 15 gives the Manning formula for gravity flow......stumbling
> through the calcs at midnight, I got
>
> ~70 gpm for a 4" PVC line with a 1/4" drop per foot
>
> somebody please double check these numbers?
>
> cheers
> Bob
>
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 2:54 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>The KWorld box looks like it has a built-in speaker. Of course, some
>monitors also have built-in speakers, and the TV tuner boxes also switch
>that signal depending on whether you're viewing the TV or computer.

Wouldn't it be better to use a LCD HDTV as a computer
monitor than a computer monitor as a TV?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 10 2007 2:46 pm
From: "Don K"

"turtlelover" <turtlelover@DONOTenter.net> wrote in message
news:470d154b$0$7218$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
> Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
>> turtlelover wrote:
>>
>> You might try asking in your local Freecycle group--people may have them lying around
>> because they don't use anything that small anymore.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I've already tried Freecycle. I guess it wouldn't hurt
> to try again!

I set up the local freecycle to forward everything as email, and set up a message rule
to put it all into a freecycle folder.

When I'm looking for something-in-particular from freecycle I insert another
message rule that will execute first and put it into a freecycle-look folder.
You would do this by searching for keywords in the subject line such as
64MB or card or Olympus, etc.

I most recently did this when my daughter needed to replace her dryer. It took
about 3 months, but one eventually showed up. Actually a whole bunch of
dryers started showing up all at once, but she only needed the one.!

Don

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Wednesday, October 10, 2007

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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