Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Thursday, October 18, 2007

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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TOPIC: SMS to email and back gateway?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/05164fc5bbf659c1?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 9:58 am
From: me@privacy.net

>The better cellphones have an independant reminder system.

Agree

>And I find I need a pretty sophisticated reminder system
>myself, particularly with the more unusual recurrences like
>just week days and not weekend days, first monday in the
>month every second month etc. I need something with the
>power of Outlook on that and emails and sms doesnt have that.

I was thinking of using Google calendar for this.... it
can send reminders via sms (to your phone).... that way
can use any cheap phone

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 11:33 am
From: me@privacy.net

>My data plan just involves payment for the data
>I actually use, no fixed charge per month involved.

has the pay-as-you-go system worked pretty well for
data?

I would think that data would be one area where you
might NOT want pay as you go. No?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> The better cellphones have an independant reminder system.

> Agree

>> And I find I need a pretty sophisticated reminder system
>> myself, particularly with the more unusual recurrences like
>> just week days and not weekend days, first monday in the
>> month every second month etc. I need something with the
>> power of Outlook on that and emails and sms doesnt have that.

> I was thinking of using Google calendar for this....

Yeah, it should be quite adequate with the proviso that SMS
reliability isnt guaranteed like the reminder in the phone is.

> it can send reminders via sms (to your phone)....
> that way can use any cheap phone

I no longer need to be able to use a cheap phone, in fact I need a
fairly decent phone so I can use google maps on the odd occasion
that the GPS cant find a new street in my town for garage sales etc.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> My data plan just involves payment for the data
>> I actually use, no fixed charge per month involved.

> has the pay-as-you-go system worked pretty well for data?

Yeah, perfect.

> I would think that data would be one area
> where you might NOT want pay as you go. No?

I use it very selectively, bearing in mind what its costing.
I dont use it enough to be able to justify the $30/month
class fixed costs for data.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:36 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>> it can send reminders via sms (to your phone)....
>> that way can use any cheap phone
>
>I no longer need to be able to use a cheap phone, in fact I need a
>fairly decent phone so I can use google maps on the odd occasion
>that the GPS cant find a new street in my town for garage sales etc.

OK...what brand/model phone you using now days?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> it can send reminders via sms (to your phone)....
>>> that way can use any cheap phone

>> I no longer need to be able to use a cheap phone, in fact I need a
>> fairly decent phone so I can use google maps on the odd occasion
>> that the GPS cant find a new street in my town for garage sales etc.
>
> OK...what brand/model phone you using now days?

Nokia, about to change to an N95 but I keep looking at the price and havent actually done that yet.

The damned thing costs about the same as a cheap laptop
and I keep looking at that and shaking my head at the price.

Bit silly really given that I am rolling in it and the price is irrelevant.

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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f941e4a655a77d3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 10:25 am
From: yassahmassa

In article <TL6dnR69KeqYuYranZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:

> Where's the fence?

Gobachev tore it down you fucking commie

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 11:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Don <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura wrote

>>>> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem.

>>> Can you accurately describe the problem?

>> Yep, that there are illegals in the country who arent allowed to be there.

>>> You see, in order to solve a problem you must first define it precisely.

>> Depends on the problem, that isnt necessary with most problems.

>>> Its not possible to solve an undefined problem.

>> Wrong again, some problems fix themselves. One obvious example of that is people having too many kids. Thats fixes
>> itself in all modern first world countrys without any public policy, let alone actually defining the problem.

> They're bankrupting out hospitals for one and over crowding our prisons for another and ripping of the American
> taxpayer.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed, whether only defined problems can be fixed.

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TOPIC: dishtv programmable remote (channel timer) for std receiver/tuner?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7f77cea4f7dff215?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 10:56 am
From: Dennis

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:22:02 -0700, patrick <patm31751@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hello; The std tuner/receivers for the dsh tv system (model #311/322)
>don't appear to have timer/channel programability function . In order
>to use the vcr for recording, you have to lleave the receier to one
>channel, set the vcr to that channel then program the vcr to record at
>a particular time. There's no program for time and channel change.
>Do any of the more intelligent universal remotes have the capability
>to enter all the stuff re the channel and time to change then trip
>the dishtv receiver to do the deed? That would keep the cost down a
>bit as it would keep me from buying the dvr that would allow that in
>addition to the monthly fee for the privelege of having a dvr! Thanks

I don't know about the newer models, but my older Dish receiver could
be set up to start and stop the VCR via a built-in IR blaster to
record satellite programs. I don't recall if it would change the
channel on the VCR.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

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TOPIC: LCD power consumption
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b7795a2be395a19a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 11:49 am
From: me@privacy.net

>On Oct 17, 1:18 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> >A newer LCD computer monitor is superior for TV use but it usually
>> >costs more because of its higher resolution.
>
>> OK but a BIG LCD computer monitor..... one big enough
>> for TV watching form a distance.... is very expensive.
>
>The Apple 23" monitor lists for $900 and the 30" lists for $1800.
>
>It would be less expensive to buy a Sony HD LCD TV. But, if you need
>a computer anyway, why not forget the TV and just buy a HD tuner?

Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?

I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
keep me form doing it1

Am I missing something here?

Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
$500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
costs $1800!! How come??

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> On Oct 17, 1:18 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>> A newer LCD computer monitor is superior for TV use but it usually
>>>> costs more because of its higher resolution.
>>
>>> OK but a BIG LCD computer monitor..... one big enough
>>> for TV watching form a distance.... is very expensive.
>>
>> The Apple 23" monitor lists for $900 and the 30" lists for $1800.
>>
>> It would be less expensive to buy a Sony HD LCD TV. But, if you need
>> a computer anyway, why not forget the TV and just buy a HD tuner?
>
> Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
> a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
> that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
> out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?
>
> I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
> as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
> keep me form doing it1
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
> $500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
> costs $1800!! How come??

Essentially because a computer monitor is harder to do
than a TV, the volume is much lower with 30" monitors,
and you are comparing apples and oranges brand wise too.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:28 pm
From: Dennis

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:49:33 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>>On Oct 17, 1:18 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>> >A newer LCD computer monitor is superior for TV use but it usually
>>> >costs more because of its higher resolution.
>>
>>> OK but a BIG LCD computer monitor..... one big enough
>>> for TV watching form a distance.... is very expensive.
>>
>>The Apple 23" monitor lists for $900 and the 30" lists for $1800.
>>
>>It would be less expensive to buy a Sony HD LCD TV. But, if you need
>>a computer anyway, why not forget the TV and just buy a HD tuner?
>
>Well I WOULD just buy an HD tuner for a PC.... but need
>a screen big enough to set back say 8 feet from. Given
>that it appears a 30" computer monitor ONLY screen far
>out costs a dedicated LCD HDTV. See what I mean?
>
>I'd LOVE to have a computer only in my front room and
>as a TV.....but the high monitor costs (in size I need)
>keep me form doing it1

IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
_want_ a bigger screen?

>Am I missing something here?
>
>Like I said..... I can buy a 32" Vizio LCD HDTV for abt
>$500 from Costco..... but the 30" Apple monitor only
>costs $1800!! How come??

Higher resolution on the Apple, plus a premium for the brand name.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:11 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
>Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
>_want_ a bigger screen?

Could be.... that I just assumed I needed bigger

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> IMO, a 20" screen is perfectly comfortable for watching TV at 8 feet.
>> Why do you think you need a bigger screen? Or is it that you just
>> _want_ a bigger screen?
>
> Could be.... that I just assumed I needed bigger

You dont need it, but I havent regretted the 35" widescreen HDTV at that distance.

I'd never return to those smaller screens again and I did have a 20" previously.

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TOPIC: Lithium Ion or NiMH power tool "systems": Which one?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a98c39c7645880f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>> The NiCad is widely used for power tools. It's safe, simple, and the
>> longest lasting. It thrives on fast charges and fast discharges.
>> NiMH his a higher power density but won't tolerate fast charges as
>> well. More can go wrong with charging and the self-discharge is faster.

>> Li-Ion are expensive for a given capacity. The available current is
>> limited because high current can cause them to catch fire.

> So bottom line Ni-Cad still has the edge for current delivery?

Yep, thats why they are still available even tho they have other downsides.

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TOPIC: Use flat bed sheets only?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/11daf24d12dfd175?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?

>> Nope.

>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?

>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.

> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?

Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much longer than the 'correct' size.

I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with a better mechanism
for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing anything yet.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:20 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>
>>> Nope.
>
>>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>
>>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>
>> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
>> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?
>
>Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much longer than the 'correct' size.
>
>I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with a better mechanism
>for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing anything yet.
>

OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
all together and using only a comforter over top of
you?

I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
lets you remove and wash separately.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:02 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>>>> Nope.
>>>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>>>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>>> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
>>> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?
>> Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much longer than the 'correct' size.
>>
>> I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with a better mechanism
>> for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing anything yet.
>>
>
> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
> all together and using only a comforter over top of
> you?
>
> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.

Unfortunately, comforter covers seem to be outrageously expensive for
what you get. Frugally speaking, using a top sheet is much cheaper.

And one reason for buying top and bottom sheets the same size is that
it's a lot easier to make the bed if you don't have to figure out which
of two identical-looking sheets is the bottom one and which the top.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:14 pm
From: "Chloe"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bccfh3tdpq2r579qm4j7r5khef0nae5ku7@4ax.com...
> >me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet
> all together and using only a comforter over top of
> you?
>
> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.

You either end up washing the comforter frequently--a huge hassle--or having
to wrestle the thing back into its cover every time you need to launder the
bedding. I tried the duvet cover route and found it a lot more trouble than
just putting on a top sheet.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>>
>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>>
>>>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>>
>>> Ahh...so Rod you use Queen sheets for BOTH
>>> top and bottom even on full size mattress. yes?
>>
>> Yep, so there is more to tuck in and so it stays tucked in much
>> longer than the 'correct' size.
>>
>> I have toyed with the idea of making my own fitted bottom sheet with
>> a better mechanism
>> for staying on the matress, but havent gotten around to doing
>> anything yet.

> OK..what abt the idea of just eliminating a top sheet all
> together and using only a comforter over top of you?

I prefer to have more variability in the top cover with the weather.

> I've read abt others doing that. Means you only need
> one sheet per bed. Some even put the comforter in a
> removable cover that will protect it form body oils and
> lets you remove and wash separately.

Sure, that will certainly work mechanically, but IMO
doesnt allow enough variability with the weather.

And in the hottest weather I dont even use the top sheet,
and use the top sheet when its a little cooler than that.
And then add a blanket when its a bit cooler again etc.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:27 pm
From: me@privacy.net

> I tried the duvet cover route and found it a lot more trouble than
>just putting on a top sheet.

Point taken

Thanks!

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TOPIC: free search engine?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db0014d235679823?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:23 pm
From: "J. Davidson"

pepita@prodigy.net <scrapquilter@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192662960.647339.323560@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 17, 5:49 pm, "J. Davidson" <fredjacquel...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > Are there any search engines which are free anymore?
> > Jackie
>
> Google and Yahoo are free. Ask.com is free, etc. etc. etc. Which
> ones AREN'T free?
>

I was looking for a person, and using zabasearch.com. If I remember right
there is a cost to it, to find out more than name. I will try the others,
thanks.
Jackie

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TOPIC: Frugal catalog case?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/eba96473cc85fcec?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 12:42 pm
From: me@privacy.net

I'm a full time student....carry big books to class

I've tried the backpack route but its really hard on my
expensive books as they flop around in the odd shaped
backpack a lot..... lots of wear on books

I've decide a catalog case or even big laptop case
would work better since its rectangular shaped.... like
the books. I even think a catalog case makes more
sense..... since in essence thick books are like thick
'catalogs".

any advice on decent brands catalog cases? Id prefer
ballistic nylon over leather as its lighter in weight.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:06 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

me@privacy.net wrote:
> I'm a full time student....carry big books to class
>
> I've tried the backpack route but its really hard on my
> expensive books as they flop around in the odd shaped
> backpack a lot..... lots of wear on books
>
> I've decide a catalog case or even big laptop case
> would work better since its rectangular shaped.... like
> the books. I even think a catalog case makes more
> sense..... since in essence thick books are like thick
> 'catalogs".
>
> any advice on decent brands catalog cases? Id prefer
> ballistic nylon over leather as its lighter in weight.

Get a rectangular backpack. It is a *lot* easier to carry those heavy
books in a backpack than in a catalog case (unless you get a wheeled
one, and then you still have the stairs problem).

And bear in mind that those expensive books will have lost most of their
re-sale value by the end of the year anyway, because there will be new
editions out by then. :-)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

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TOPIC: <<< Acheter Acomplia >>>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4019c15cc64168a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 18 2007 1:16 pm
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