Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 11 topics

Saturday, November 3, 2007

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TOPIC: Energizer Rechargable "D" Battery Exposed
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:28 pm
From: Jeff

George wrote:

> Logan Shaw wrote:
>
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>>> A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D"
>>> Rechargeable batteries are no more powerful than common "AA"
>>> rechargeable batteries. In fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D"
>>> rechargeable battery is actually made of a much smaller AA-capacity
>>> battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder with air gaps, designed
>>> to make it appear physically like a "D" battery while only delivering
>>> the performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).
>>
>>
>> I don't see anything wrong with that. It'd designed to appear physically
>> like a "D" battery because it needs to physically *be* a "D" battery.
>> Some devices exist which require "D" batteries, and you can't put an "A"
>> battery in those devices because it will fall out of place.
>>
>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>> to their web site here:
>>
>>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>>
>> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
>> are for the various sizes of batteries. It even has a paragraph
>> explaining what a mAh rating means in case you don't already know.
>>
>> - Logan
>
>
> They certainly give the mAh rating of their batteries but I doubt the
> average person would know that their Mickey Mouse "D cell size
> replacement" only has 12% of the energy of an alkaline D cell which is
> nominally 20,500 mAh.

What do you take the Ahrs of a AA alkaline?

Jeff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:21 pm
From:

In article <IZ0Xi.844$sN.478@trndny02>, derjda@hotmail.com says...
> A NewsTarget photo investigation reveals that Energizer "D" Rechargeable
> batteries are no more powerful than common "AA" rechargeable batteries. In
> fact, an off-the-shelf Energizer "D" rechargeable battery is actually made
> of a much smaller AA-capacity battery wrapped in a cheap plastic cylinder
> with air gaps, designed to make it appear physically like a "D" battery
> while only delivering the performance of an "AA" battery (2500 mAh).

This has been true of many D-size rechargeable batteries for decades.
It was true of GE-branded NiCads back in the 1970s, for example.

Ray-O-Vac D-cells are 2200 mAh NiMH, actually lower capacity than many
AA NiMH cells.

GP D-cells are, if I remember correctly, a C-cell with spacers, 4500
mAh.

There are a few brands of 1 Ah NiMH D-cells available from electronics
suppliers, but they're the exception rather than the rule in consumer-
oriented rechargeable Ds. Indeed, some places don't even bother
sticking a battery in the spacer, you can buy D-cell jackets for your AA
cells so you don't need a second charger for bigger batteries.

--
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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:20 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> In news:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com Logan Shaw wrote:
>>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>>> to their web site here:
>>>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
>>> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
>>> are for the various sizes of batteries.
>>
>> If that info is also "quite prominently" listed on the retail package,
>> then you're right.
>
> It's displayed on the packaging but it won't mean anything to you
> unless you know what what mAh means and the capacity of comparable
> batteries.

Well, if you don't, you don't really have any basis on which to make
choice between batteries. It would be sort of like buying a car (to
use the analogy in the original article) and not knowing what "horsepower"
means. Of course, a car is a bigger decision worthy of investing more
effort, but if you put too little effort into your purchasing decisions,
you're going to get bad results.

For what it's worth, I went browsing for info about "D" NiMH batteries
and going prices on them over at amazon.com, and I found that the
aforementioned 2500 mAh Energizer ones were going for $10.12. Several
other companies also sold "D" batteries of similar capacity for similar
prices. MAHA PowerEx had some with a much higher rating of 11000 mAh,
but the price on those was $35.95. The capacity is over 4 times as
high, but the price is about 3.5 times as high as well.

I think what's really going on here is that a lot of devices are built
with "D" batteries in mind, but making a NiMH "D" cell in the obvious
way is expensive and in many cases unnecessary. So manufacturers are
doing both, and offering the cheaper ones as an alternative that is
still compatible with the gear that requires batteries of that size but
doesn't cost $35 for two batteries. This is violating the assumption
that a lot of people have that a "D" battery is supposed to be able to
store more energy than a "AA" battery. But that's just an assumption.
The only real rule is that a battery should work in the equipment it
needs to power and provide the amount of energy that the user needs.
Well, and that manufacturers shouldn't be deceptive, but I don't think
they're being deceptive in this case.

- Logan

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:23 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com Logan Shaw
> <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
>> to their web site here:
>>
>>

It's pretty easy to spot in this version of the retail packaging:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Nv85Umu3L._AA240_.jpg

- Logan

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:02 am
From: larry

We're still using six GE GC3 1.2AH D Nicads (black jacket)
in our 2 cell flashlights. Still have the "12/83" paper
labels I marked them with when first put in service!
Recharge them about once a month in the original 16hr GE
"wall wart" charger, which I attribute to why they lasted
this long. And these are the smaller C cell in a D case.

Did change the flashlight bulbs to kryptons, but these
nicads still will outlast a set of carbon/zincs. Originally
bought 12 cells, but the other six died from nichrome
"wisker" shorts within five years. The nicads don't self
discharge in a month like the newer NiMHs do. Important for
the flashlights in the vehicles.

I don't think it makes much sense to use high AH cells in a
flashlight. These match the load and have saved a lot of
carbon/zincs over the years. I CAN see using high AH in
digital cameras, ours can't make it thru 2 hours with
2600mAH NiMH AA's ;-)

With the new high power/fast smart chargers and batteries,
we're lucky to get three years use out of the new storage
technology. Be it alarm system, ups, cellphone, or laptop.

-larry / dallas

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
>>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
>>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
>>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
>>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
>>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
>>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
>>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
>>> I am resgined to my fate.
>>
>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> prescription.
> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> blood removed.

That was just the placebo effect.

Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:51 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
> >>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
> >>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
> >>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> >>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> >>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
> >>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
> >>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
> >>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
> >>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
> >>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
> >>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
> >>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
> >>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
> >>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
> >>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
> >>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
> >>> I am resgined to my fate.
>
> >> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> >> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> >> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
> >> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> > prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> > change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> > haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> > prescription.
> > If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> > donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> > people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> > blood removed.
>
> That was just the placebo effect.
>
> Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
> 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,and that
the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan was done
after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.
Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons I'm
reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now, but
the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few money
notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought into the
world,just so that I can pay off my debts?
Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation making it
possible for children conceived via sperm donation to track down their
fathers,and even get financial support from them. This also puts me
off becoming a sperm donator.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:00 pm
From: Charles

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:40:03 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
>>>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
>>>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
>>>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
>>>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
>>>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
>>>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
>>>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
>>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
>>>> I am resgined to my fate.
>>>
>>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
>> prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
>> change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
>> haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
>> prescription.
>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
>> people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
>> blood removed.
>
>That was just the placebo effect.
>
>Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
>'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.
>

Unless the person has polycythemia.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000589.htm#Treatment

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to
>>>>> give me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as
>>>>> a male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my
>>>>> doctor refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter
>>>>> what. This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people
>>>>> leading miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the
>>>>> NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that
>>>>> I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS
>>>>> auditors.
>>>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of
>>>>> birmingham,England, I am resgined to my fate.
>>
>>>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>>>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>>>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>>>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he
>>> can prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your
>>> GP can change you to a different set of antidepressant pills.
>>> However,I haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my
>>> Psychiatrists prescription.
>>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>>> having blood removed.
>>
>> That was just the placebo effect.
>>
>> Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
>> 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.-

> Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
> mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,
> and that the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan
> was done after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.

> Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
> to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons
> I'm reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now,
> but the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few
> money notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought
> into the world,just so that I can pay off my debts?

And when your problem could well have a genetic component too.

> Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation
> making it possible for children conceived via sperm donation
> to track down their fathers,and even get financial support
> from them. This also puts me off becoming a sperm donator.

Prostitution has always been one quick money route some have chosen to go.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:40:03 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to
>>>>> give me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
>>>>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
>>>>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as
>>>>> a male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
>>>>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
>>>>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
>>>>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
>>>>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
>>>>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
>>>>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my
>>>>> doctor refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter
>>>>> what. This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people
>>>>> leading miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the
>>>>> NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that
>>>>> I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS
>>>>> auditors.
>>>>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of
>>>>> birmingham,England, I am resgined to my fate.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
>>>> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
>>>> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
>>>> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he
>>> can prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your
>>> GP can change you to a different set of antidepressant pills.
>>> However,I haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my
>>> Psychiatrists prescription.
>>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>>> having blood removed.
>>
>> That was just the placebo effect.
>>
>> Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
>> 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.

> Unless the person has polycythemia.

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000589.htm#Treatment

That wouldnt necessarily make them feel better after the donation.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:26 pm
From: "%"

LETS DO THE CROSSPOST AGAIN

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:56 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:51:41 -0700, zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

>Back to the topic of making quick money,

I had the telly on and somehow this topic came up. House Sitter.
People who go on extended holidays need someone to do simple chores in
their empty house - such as watering the house plants, feed the pets,
walk the dogs, clear the mailbox, mow the lawn or clear the snow,
phone forwarding, have someone to phone to to ask about the empty
house, etc. I don't know what the pay rate is though. I am very
lucky to have a friendly and helpful neighbor who waters my house
plants, no pets, clear the mail and clear the snow (gas snow thrower).

On your shrink's pill prescription one of the characteristics of CFS
is that all medications, except antibiotics, are ineffective. The
first dose works. The body quickly adapts and the rest of the
prescription is as good as useless. My personal doc, and he is a good
friend, doesn't believe there is even such a thing as CFS in the first
place. Your shrink is probably one of those. If he can't figure out
what makes you sick you are not sick.

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Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:36 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <13iq0h8epmuc446@corp.supernews.com>,
Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:
> I'll need to recover some files off a hard disk that has lost or
>corrupted it's directory. (win 2000, NTFS I think. Chkdsk won't run.)

> Any recommendations for a frugal but good data recovery program? The
>mass of commercial programs out there is a bit much for me to sort through.

There are some tools on the Ultimate Boot CD that may be of use to you;
I was able to recover a system which lost its' MBR, thanks to it.

http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

A good set of tools.

> This may not be strictly on topic here, but this is a very diverse
>and intelligent group and I don't think this will be the days worst topic!

Hope you can recover your system.

Gary

--
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http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
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--
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:42 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <1193732804.121350.241740@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
aesthete8@hotmail.com wrote:

>What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>lights?

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- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:44 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <Xns99D9105F95A47TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108>, Greggie Gibson wrote:
>"aesthete8@hotmail.com" <aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:1193732804.121350.241740@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>> lights?
>
>Get a better CFL or better yet get an LED light which is even more
>efficient.

Sorry, most LED lights on the market now are less efficient than
the vast majority of CFLs. Most white LED lights also have an icy
cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:47 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <13iesceksfv5j78@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff wrote:
>John Weiss wrote:
>> <aesthete8@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>
>>>What about those of us who get eyestrain headaches from flourescent
>>>lights?
>>
>>
>> For some uses, you can now buy LED lights, which are as efficient (or
>> better) as CFLs.
>
>Really? Last I checked, which wasn't long ago, was that the best
>commercially available LEDs were somewhat less efficient.

There are now a few LEDs on the market that are a little more efficient
then CFLs. I have yet to see an LED light on store shelves (not even
a flashlight or a bicycle light) that has such efficient LEDs.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 8:54 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <slrnfiqg1l.8tm.don@manx.misty.com>, Don Klipstein wrote:

> Sorry, most LED lights on the market now are less efficient than
>the vast majority of CFLs. Most white LED lights also have an icy
>cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.

> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Just to clarify, I was talking about 120V screw-base lights.

I am aware of a few higher end LED flashlights and a couple LED work
lights with LEDs that have fluorescent-like efficiency. None of these has
been around long. I am an LED nut and I first got my hands on LEDs with
fluorescent-like efficiency in April 2006. One of these has
warmer-than-usual-white-LED color, but is still "cool white".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:58 pm
From: The Real Bev

Jon v Leipzig wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> It makes more sense to just ignore the spam. It isnt hard to work out
>>> what is spam.
>>
>> Of course not, but if you've skipped your usenet obligations for a few
>> weeks, the sheer quantity is annoying.
>
> Your own fault. Who authorized your three week absence, anyway...???

I'm sorry, I forgot to get your permission. Next time I'll be sure to check
with you at least a month in advance.

> Hey, we finally got a Trader Joe's here, intown, even!! It should be
> quieted down by now, I missed the Grand opening.
>
> Never been to one...got any suggestions,..,,what to buy or to avoid...??

Buy anything that appeals to you. Don't buy anything that doesn't look
good. That about covers it.

Long ago I bought some Brie that had a strong ammonia smell/taste. They
cheerfully refunded my money. Recently I tried a sample of their 'Mojito'
(non-alcoholic) stuff -- the first TJ thing I've ever found to be absolutely
revolting.

Their ordinary corn tortillas are the best machine-made tortillas I've ever
eaten except for the ones we bought still hot from a place in Mexico. The
hand-made ones are bigger, but not all that different. Their plain
cheesecake is excellent. Cut it into serving-size pieces and freeze it in
the box it came in.

Wine people say that their "Two buck Chuck" is drinkable. I've never tasted
wine better than plain old Welch's grape juice, so I'll have to take their
word for it. Lots of other wine if that's your thing. Good cheese. Good
chicken+cranberry+pecan salad like the stuff that Costco sells, but in
smaller quantities.

There are only three places I actually like to shop: Costco, TJ's and the
99-Cents-Only Store, not necessarily in that order. And the ethnic produce
stores too. FIVE places I like to shop...

--
Cheers, Bev
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Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:59 pm
From: timeOday

Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
to shop.

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