Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 13 topics

Tuesday, November 13, 2007

24 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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TOPIC: how to chop wood
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 9:23 am
From: Derald

A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>Would you like to share recommendations for chopping wood?
Don't put too much faith in that article.
I'm a charter subscriber to TMEN and it seems to me that your
citation is exemplary of why I (regretfully but finally) stopped reading
her in the mid-'80's.
Throughout the year, I collect and split my household's supply of
firewood. For me, the gathering and splitting of firewood is a
continuing process instead of annual event. Using a fairly heavy axe, I
routinely split "Turkey" (Quercus laevis), "Live" (Q. virginiana), and
"White" (Q. alba, AFAIK), as well as (but less often), the occasional
laurel and water oaks. Each of those woods, as well as the (FL) native
maple, splits far more easily when freshly cut than when dried. Most
straight, and/or open-grained woods with a strong tendency to check may
be split dry but a AWG with an axe doesn't stand a chance against live
oak or white oak or any other specie with tightly-bound twisted grain
structure or against any maple (excepting, maybe, those little
wet-footed swamp dwellers). Few occurrences are more demoralizing than
watching ones strike simply bounce off....
The whole argument is irrelevant, anyway, because (in the humid
Eastern U.S.A., at least), in order for firewood to properly "season",
it must be debarked or split reasonably soon after harvesting.
Immediately is best. Tree bark is waterproof (and, essentially, water
vapor proof, too). Intact, bark-on rounds lose water only through their
end-grain, a slow process that allows incipient fungii and wood-mining
insects to flourish. Each of those costs you calories; the losses to
residual moisture and to fungii can be significant.
>
>A large stump usually works well for a chopping block.
Well, "Yes, it do", but.... Try this: Use your axe to hew one side
of a large round flat and lay the round down, flat side up, in a slight
depression. Obviously, you place the stock on the flat surface; then
position yourself so that your splitting blow comes down across the long
grain. A properly dressed splitting axe will bounce off the "chopping
block" instead of sticking, as it does into end grain.
>
>Not every stroke will be successful,
Indeed. That is why one keeps a 10-12# sledge hammer, maul,
whatever, ready-to-hand in order to dislodge stuck-on stock. Never, for
any reason, strike the axe with a metal implement: Aside from the
possibility of damaging the tool, pissing her off is the very last thing
you want to do....
I have a few more tips viz. woodslitting that you may find helpful
but I have to go get another beer now and will likely have forgot or
won't give a rat's ass when I get back (Face it, the fridge _is_ 4'
distant the computer -- bad planning). A six-pack, three "probiotic
culture" caps and four Hershey's Kisses sure-as-hell are, too, a
balanced breakfast, my friend.
--
A Veteran, too, but I sure-as-hell don't go around telling everybody
about it as if it is some kind of badge of honor.
Derald

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TOPIC: Dollar Crisis: None dare call it 'conspiracy'
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 9:33 am
From: clams casino

The Trucker wrote:

>Why all the drama? Some people just MUST have boogermans and
>eeeeeeevvviiiieee lurking everywhere.
>

It's the method of GW's leadership (much like the stereotypical Baptist
minister) - Unless you agree 100% with GW, you will be going straight
to hell.

GW is here to protect you. If something goes wrong, it's all the
democrat's fault. If you vote / express disbelief against GW, the sky
will cave in, the stock market will crash and the world will come to and
end.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:05 am
From: "Bill"

British P.M. Gordon Brown said yesterday in his foreign policy speech ...

"...And in the years ahead - notwithstanding the huge shifts in economic
influence underway - I believe that Europe and America have the best chance
for many decades to achieve historic progress - working ever more closely
together on the project of building a global society..."

Full text of his speech...
http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200711/e452ff55-1fe6-4a7b-92ef-acf893ce002c.htm

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:27 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bill <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> British P.M. Gordon Brown said yesterday in his foreign policy speech
> ...

> "...And in the years ahead - notwithstanding the huge shifts in economic influence underway - I believe that Europe
> and America have the best chance for many decades to achieve historic progress - working ever more closely together on
> the project of building a global society..."

Then he's a fool. The invasion of Iraq has eliminated that possibility for quite a while now.

> Full text of his speech...
> http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200711/e452ff55-1fe6-4a7b-92ef-acf893ce002c.htm

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:55 am
From: The Trucker

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:05:48 -0800, Bill wrote:

> British P.M. Gordon Brown said yesterday in his foreign policy speech ...
>
> "...And in the years ahead - notwithstanding the huge shifts in economic
> influence underway - I believe that Europe and America have the best chance
> for many decades to achieve historic progress - working ever more closely
> together on the project of building a global society..."
>
> Full text of his speech...
> http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200711/e452ff55-1fe6-4a7b-92ef-acf893ce002c.htm

I didn't read all of it, but I think I got the big picture. What I can't
understand is why rightarded American Republican assholes can't seem to
understand stuff like this. Why they will take pieces out of
context and attempt to declare some sort of threat to America. America
was not designed for nor or we desirous of imperialism. The constant
denigration of the UN is just the tip of the rightarded iceberg. The
rightarded self serving brain dead tunnel-vision blindered mentality of
the Republican order is amplified ignorance and stupidity on steroids.
And until we get rid of His Assholiness and his "legacy" America will be
nothing less than a drain on the entire world.

--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 12:14 pm
From: "231" <231@alok.com>

The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:05:48 -0800, Bill wrote:

>> British P.M. Gordon Brown said yesterday in his foreign policy speech ...
>>
>> "...And in the years ahead - notwithstanding the huge shifts in
>> economic influence underway - I believe that Europe and America have
>> the best chance for many decades to achieve historic progress -
>> working ever more closely together on the project of building a
>> global society..."

>> Full text of his speech...
>> http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200711/e452ff55-1fe6-4a7b-92ef-acf893ce002c.htm

> I didn't read all of it, but I think I got the big picture.

Nope, you didnt.

> What I can't understand is why rightarded American
> Republican assholes can't seem to understand stuff like this.

Its clear that fools like Brown dont understand anything at all.

Least of all the fact that post Iraq what he wants
to see aint gunna happen, BECAUSE of Iraq.

> Why they will take pieces out of context and
> attempt to declare some sort of threat to America.

Corse there is some sort of threat to America. You did noticed 9/11 didnt you ?

> America was not designed for nor or we desirous of imperialism.

Have fun explaining the Philipines.

> The constant denigration of the UN is just the tip of the rightarded iceberg.
> The rightarded self serving brain dead tunnel-vision blindered mentality of
> the Republican order is amplified ignorance and stupidity on steroids.

Corse there never ever is anything like that anywhere else, eh ?

> And until we get rid of His Assholiness

Thats going to happen without anything being
done, he passes his useby date in about a year.

> and his "legacy" America will be nothing less than a drain on the entire world.

It aint draining the entire world. If anything its benefitting the world as the USD sinks beneath the waves.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 12:35 pm
From: tim <@can.not>

The Trucker wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:05:48 -0800, Bill wrote:
>
>> British P.M. Gordon Brown said yesterday in his foreign policy speech ...
>>
>> "...And in the years ahead - notwithstanding the huge shifts in economic
>> influence underway - I believe that Europe and America have the best chance
>> for many decades to achieve historic progress - working ever more closely
>> together on the project of building a global society..."
>>
>> Full text of his speech...
>> http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200711/e452ff55-1fe6-4a7b-92ef-acf893ce002c.htm
>
> I didn't read all of it, but I think I got the big picture. What I can't
> understand is why rightarded American Republican assholes can't seem to
> understand stuff like this. Why they will take pieces out of
> context and attempt to declare some sort of threat to America. America
> was not designed for nor or we desirous of imperialism. The constant
> denigration of the UN is just the tip of the rightarded iceberg. The
> rightarded self serving brain dead tunnel-vision blindered mentality of
> the Republican order is amplified ignorance and stupidity on steroids.
> And until we get rid of His Assholiness and his "legacy" America will be
> nothing less than a drain on the entire world.
>
There are pieces of "way out there" in the piece. Some basic premises
are the truth, though.

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TOPIC: check fraud
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 9:58 am
From: Derald

Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:

>I do have a commercial account with another local credit union
If "commercial" in this context means "business", then I'm afraid
that I don't quite understand how a credit union can have commercial
accounts. The notion is oxymoronic; that's not what they're "for".
Credit unions are not banks; AFAIK, credit unions remain pari-mutuel
organisations more akin to S&Ls than to banks and definitely -not to be
trusted with ones assets.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:23 am
From: val189

On Nov 12, 10:08 am, "unreelis...@aol.com" <user132...@aol.com> wrote:

> a check from another credit union member that got taken out of MY
> account by mistake !!

I'd want to know more details - who made the mistake and what are they
doing to prevent its happening in the future. Did the other person's
check have his correct routing and account number on it?

I thought things were automated now to the point where this 'couldn't
' happen. Scary. Good thing you checked - I call mine every day just
to keep tabs on it. I can also go online to see the actual payee's
name.
Just curious -what prompted you to call in the first place?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:35 am
From: "231" <231@alok.com>

Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
> Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:

>> I do have a commercial account with another local credit union

> If "commercial" in this context means "business", then I'm afraid
> that I don't quite understand how a credit union can have commercial
> accounts. The notion is oxymoronic; that's not what they're "for".

Wrong, they can be for business accounts or personal accounts.

> Credit unions are not banks;

Irrelevant to whether they can have business accounts.

> AFAIK, credit unions remain pari-mutuel organisations more akin to
> S&Ls than to banks and definitely -not to be trusted with ones assets.

Many business accounts dont involve assets, what they want is a basic transaction account.

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TOPIC: Bone Metastases & Cancer Informational Guide
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Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:05 am
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TOPIC: Tips for Thanksgiving on a Budget
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Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:14 am
From: frugal fanny

Hosting a Thanksgiving dinner can be a stressful and expensive
activity, but with a little foresight and planning it can also be one
of the most rewarding and budget-friendly holidays of the year. I'm
tackling the daunting tasks of grocery shopping, cooking, serving, and
cleaning up - all on a budget.

Shopping

This is where you can really kill your budget. The trick is to buy the
proper amount of food for the number of people coming. It's easy to go
overboard for a holiday that's historically all about tables laden
with food.... for the rest of the article please visit
http://frugal-fanny.blogspot.com/2007/11/food-thanksgiving-on-budget.html

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TOPIC: I'm a Cuckoo and I love it!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:23 am
From: "joyangel123@gmail.com"

Laughter is good for the heart. Being silly and admitting to your
quirks frees the soul and liberates the mind make you full of life and
bursting energy and life. See what happens to you when a cow admits
she's a Cuckoo!
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TOPIC: Talk of Worst Recession Since the 1930s
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:26 am
From: "Rod Speed"

nick hull <nhull@isp.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> YTR <zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote

>>> Talk of Worst Recession Since the 1930s

>> Plenty have run that mindless claim before.

>> Plenty have mindlessly claimed that the world will end too.

> But yet there was a depression in the 30s

There were lots in the century before that too. And not one since. Funny that.

> and history will repeat eventually ;)

Nope, we wont see a return to absolute monarchys
or the US and Canada at war with each other either
or slavery in the first world either.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:37 am
From: nicole

Many are familiar with the work of the Dollar Stretcher and the Tightwad
Gazette, but not my work - "Cheapo Groovo". I believe their work is
groundbreaking stuff. I'm trying to take what they have done to the next
level.

Here are the ways I have tried to improve on their work and all the
other "money" blogs::
1. Income and investing posts as well as frugal posts
2. Focusing on universal money saving ideas, no matter your life
stage
3. Easy to read posts that can be read and absorbed in seconds
4. Multimedia presentations - audio, video, photos
5. Eliminate information overload - no more than 15 new posts per
month
6. An actual M.B.A. is behind the posts not a "want to be"

Please understand that I'm not saying to ignore discussion boards or
other web sites. Other folks do a much better job at recipes, raising
kids cheaply, or how to change your psychological makeup so you become a
frugal zealot.

Peace

http://cheapogroovo.vox.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 1:30 pm
From: Al Bundy

nicole wrote:
> Many are familiar with the work of the Dollar Stretcher and the Tightwad
> Gazette, but not my work - "Cheapo Groovo". I believe their work is
> groundbreaking stuff. I'm trying to take what they have done to the next
> level.
>
> Here are the ways I have tried to improve on their work and all the
> other "money" blogs::
> 1. Income and investing posts as well as frugal posts
> 2. Focusing on universal money saving ideas, no matter your life
> stage
> 3. Easy to read posts that can be read and absorbed in seconds
> 4. Multimedia presentations - audio, video, photos
> 5. Eliminate information overload - no more than 15 new posts per
> month
> 6. An actual M.B.A. is behind the posts not a "want to be"
>
> Please understand that I'm not saying to ignore discussion boards or
> other web sites. Other folks do a much better job at recipes, raising
> kids cheaply, or how to change your psychological makeup so you become a
> frugal zealot.
>
> Peace
Nothing special there and it took 125 seconds to load with a fast dial-
up so that's enough info for me.
Plus that request for a $3 donation! Sheesh.

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TOPIC: need financial advice badly
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:40 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG wrote:
> jb@www.com says...
>> nospam@nospam.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:25:30 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
>>> Jon v Leipzig <JVL@myday.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the
>>>>>
>>>>> schitozphenia??
>>>>>
>>>> think he means;
>>>>
>>>> Schizophrenia,
>>>> from the Greek roots schizein (???????, "to split") and phre-n,
>>>> phren- (????, ????-, "mind"),
>>>>
>>>> is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness
>>>> characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of
>>>> reality, most commonly manifesting as auditory hallucinations,
>>>> paranoid or bizarre delusions or disorganized speech and thinking
>>>> in the context of significant social or occupational dysfunction.
>>>>
>>>> Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and
>>>> observed behavior. No laboratory test for schizophrenia exists.
>>
>>> No lab tests exist for any metal disorder
>>
>> Wrong, there is for those that are due to other medical problems.
>>
>>> and many are mis-diagnosed
>>
>> Some are, not many.
>>
>>> and then drugged for life.
>>
>> No one is ever drugged for life.
>>
>>> The drugs cause brain damage and psychosis.

>> Mindless pig ignorant drivel.

> But, anyway... On a more serious note, head-pshrinkers
> most definitely DO want people to be "drugged for life."

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> That is part of the whole antidepressant scam.

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

The reality is that depression is a serious problem for a relatively small
subset of society and there are useful treatments for that condition.

> Like any other drug dealer, they need for their customers
> to feel totally dependent. And to keep coming back, month
> after month, to pay some more money for the magical fix.

They'd much prefer a permanent fix that doesnt involve long term use
of a particular product, like we have seen with vaccination and antibiotics.
The problem is that that hasnt been found yet for depression.

> A head-pshrinker wants to see your problems resolved about as
> much as a street-corner heroin dealer wants to see you stay clean.

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

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TOPIC: Discount item scalping
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:48 am
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 13, 7:42 am, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 11:46 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2:09 pm, BrotherSandMonkey <blin...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
> > > dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
> > > discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
> > > stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
> > > expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
> > > also higher in price but that is understood.).
>
> > Yes it's fair. And you can also find items that were in Dollar Tree
> > or the 99¢ Only store at flea markets as well as the aforementioned
> > ethnic stores. I've often seen items at 99¢ Only store that could be
> > repackaged/repurposed and sold for higher prices (if I had that
> > initiative, that is). Last, around Christmas just take a look at the
> > local want ads or eBay...you'll see the "hot toy/gadget" going for
> > much higher than what it originally sold for. This is the root of
> > capitalism, right? Those sellers are counting on people who aren't
> > savvy enough to find the items when they were cheap or are perhaps
> > "wheel challenged" (hence the mom/pop grocery stores in the inner
> > cities).
>
> Lets be realistic.
>
> Grocery stores work on volume. Most food items have a markup of a
> couple of percent. (non groceries may be much much higher) Loss
> leaders may be so far below wholesale prices it makes them attractive.
>
> A mom and pop convenience store has to make a much higher markup just
> to break even - their relative costs are higher. They don't buy in the
> same quantities that grocery chains do.
>
> Such a law would foce these places out of business, and we would all
> be poorer for it.
>
> James- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have no problem with the practice of buying from one store and
selling in another; it was the OP who was using the veiled argument
about fairness (when it was really something completely different but
I think we all did a pretty good job at ignoring it).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 10:55 am
From: James

On Nov 13, 1:48 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 7:42 am, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 12, 11:46 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 10, 2:09 pm, BrotherSandMonkey <blin...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
> > > > dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
> > > > discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
> > > > stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
> > > > expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
> > > > also higher in price but that is understood.).
>
> > > Yes it's fair. And you can also find items that were in Dollar Tree
> > > or the 99¢ Only store at flea markets as well as the aforementioned
> > > ethnic stores. I've often seen items at 99¢ Only store that could be
> > > repackaged/repurposed and sold for higher prices (if I had that
> > > initiative, that is). Last, around Christmas just take a look at the
> > > local want ads or eBay...you'll see the "hot toy/gadget" going for
> > > much higher than what it originally sold for. This is the root of
> > > capitalism, right? Those sellers are counting on people who aren't
> > > savvy enough to find the items when they were cheap or are perhaps
> > > "wheel challenged" (hence the mom/pop grocery stores in the inner
> > > cities).
>
> > Lets be realistic.
>
> > Grocery stores work on volume. Most food items have a markup of a
> > couple of percent. (non groceries may be much much higher) Loss
> > leaders may be so far below wholesale prices it makes them attractive.
>
> > A mom and pop convenience store has to make a much higher markup just
> > to break even - their relative costs are higher. They don't buy in the
> > same quantities that grocery chains do.
>
> > Such a law would foce these places out of business, and we would all
> > be poorer for it.
>
> > James- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have no problem with the practice of buying from one store and
> selling in another; it was the OP who was using the veiled argument
> about fairness (when it was really something completely different but
> I think we all did a pretty good job at ignoring it).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not arguing with you, agreeing....

James

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TOPIC: 2.3 million US Soldiers vs 11.7 million Iranian Soldiers = DRAFT
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 12:20 pm
From: "127.0.0.1"

2.3 million US Soldiers vs 11.7 million Iranian Soldiers = DRAFT

The Truth Will Set You Free | November 12, 2007

Some sobering advice from a fellow blogger at reigngame.com:

Alright, I know 90% of you guys follow politics so you've undoubtably
read and/or heard about the current Iran situation. I'd like to
briefly talk about the figurative war with Iran. For the sake of
discussion, let's begin with the questionably optimistic assumption
that no major country would forcefully oppose (economically or
militarily) full-scale US military operations in Iran. Nevermind
Iran's 12% imports with Germany and 10% imports with China - I'm sure
Germany and China's economies don't want Iran's money anyway, right?
Nevermind the fact that Iran exports 2,836,000 barrels of oil per day
to various nations that depend on that oil.

We can all just ride bikes until the 2 month war is over! As to the
Iranians themselves, I'm sure they're just dying (no pun intended) to
be invaded, er, `liberated` by Americans, considering the `horrid` 70%
approval rating of Ahmadinejad and the `devastating` $8,700 gross
domestic product per capita (8.6% better than China). I'm sure we'll
be "welcomed in the streets" after we "shock and awe" all important
looking buildings to Jahannum and back.

With a little help from the boys at GFP, I did some exploring into the
military systems of America and Iran and what I found was
alarming . . .

2,369,239 US Soldiers vs 11,770,000 Iranian Soldiers = DRAFT
The United States of America has 2.37 million soldiers capable of
combat and available for mobilization. Let's compare with little ol'
Iran! Iran has THE MOST military personnel available for combat in the
entire world. In fact, Iran has more combat-ready military personnel
than China and Russia combined. 11.7 million guerillas - Talk about
hell. The bottom line is, America can't even handle Iraq. At one
point, we thought we would rush in, smite some nubs with dirks and
bubble hearth back home in time for American Idol. Not quite. And with
Iran, reality is going to hurt a lot more.
America is War Stomping on Artificial Ice Above the Pit of Sparta

At the risk of loosing all my credibility, allow my concern to
manifest itself in a less than mature way: Our economy is &%$#ed. We
have a -862,300,000,000 dollar cash balance. That puts us LAST in the
world for cash balance of our own currency. This is what people are
talking about when they say deficit. But this is more than a deficit;
this is an abandonment of the dollar. The conclusion? Changes. And not
the type of changes 2Pac wanted. Big changes that will crash into the
hull of the United States.
Nerf Executive Branch

America is tipping back way too far in her easy chair - something is
about to happen. This upcoming 2008 election is extremely pivotal. I'm
not going to name any candidates because this isn't that type of
article. But let the point of this entire post clear: If you think
times are boring, think again. If you think the future is predictable,
think again. My advice to everyone who reads this is to be thoughtful,
be skeptical, be wise. Learn, test what you learn and share it. The
future of your family tree is in the balance.

http://infowars.com/articles/ww3/iran_2_million_soldiers_vs_11_million_iranian_soldiers.htm

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TOPIC: Fast food lost leaders.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 12:53 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:45:21 -0800, James <j0069bond@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I hear the MacDonald's double cheese burger is one. The regular
>cheeseburger is 99 cents and the double is $1.
>
>What lost other leaders do you know?

Does George W. count?
(Only to ten, Mudhead.)

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 12:59 pm
From: George Grapman

Dennis wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:45:21 -0800, James <j0069bond@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I hear the MacDonald's double cheese burger is one. The regular
>> cheeseburger is 99 cents and the double is $1.

I once read a book about McDonald's. It said that the basic burger
was a break even proposition. They made the money on the soda and/or the
fries.
At least one McDonald's here in SF does not take part in the $1
promos as corporate can not force prices on franchisees.
The same book also said that soda is a huge profit. Coke is willing
to sell syrup to them at a very low price do to the volume of
sales,advertising featuring Coke and fear of losing them to Pepsi.
>>
>> What lost other leaders do you know?
>
> Does George W. count?
> (Only to ten, Mudhead.)
>
> Dennis (evil)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 13 2007 1:51 pm
From: James

On Nov 13, 3:59 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Dennis wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:45:21 -0800, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I hear the MacDonald's double cheese burger is one. The regular
> >> cheeseburger is 99 cents and the double is $1.
>
> I once read a book about McDonald's. It said that the basic burger
> was a break even proposition. They made the money on the soda and/or the
> fries.
> At least one McDonald's here in SF does not take part in the $1
> promos as corporate can not force prices on franchisees.
> The same book also said that soda is a huge profit. Coke is willing
> to sell syrup to them at a very low price do to the volume of
> sales,advertising featuring Coke and fear of losing them to Pepsi.
>
Correct. Selling a canister of syrup is relatively cheap - much
cheaper to ship than bottles of cans because of the weight of the
water. The syrup costs pennies a cup. Water comes from the
municipality, water filters are cheap, and CO2 isn't expensive either.
The cups, lids and straws are cheap in massive volume.

The burgers are there to get you to buy pop and fries.

Similarly in movie theatres, the entrance fee in the budget ones just
covers the costs, but they rake in big bucks on the consessions.

James

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