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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:43 am
From: Frank McCoy

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "wasbit" <wasbit@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Frank McCoy wrote :
>
>> snip >
>
>> However, if you have a license for WinZip, I think the
>> same license will get you WinRar.
>
>> big snip >
>
>That's the first time I've ever heard that and I can't really believe it. Do you have any evidence to back up that
>thought please?
>
Generally, if you have the licence for either, it's a key-file in a ZIP
or RAR file. While running WinZip or WinRar, you click on either the
key file or the compressed file containing the key file.

If you don't have that key file on your drive somewhere, then you might
not be properly licensed. If you *lost* the key file, then contacting
winrar or winzip will get you a replacement.

(For WinRar, it's rarkey.rar containing rarreg.key)
I presume from that, that WinZip would have zipkey.zip containing
zipreg.key I guess you'd have to try doing one with the other.

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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:48 am
From: "pcbuilder98"

<meow2222@care2.com> wrote in message
news:1194341222.553405.21850@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> pcbuilder98 wrote:
> > "Bear Bottoms" <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote in message
> > news:op.t1bf2qnhjo4m88@bwwlxc1...
> > > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:32:45 -0600, notaguru
<notaguru-obvious@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm enjoying these valuable comments and taking notes --- this is a
> > > > great thread!
> > > >
> > > > As a TBird and Firefox user, I back up the Profile folder for each.
That
> > > > eliminates the need for re-installing various gadgets and plugins.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, what is the best freeware uninstaller (for Vista)? I've
been
> > > > using Your Uninstaller ($) but welcome other ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Gurus
> > >
> > > RevoUninstaller for general purpose (it's great)
> > > http://www.revouninstaller.com/
> > >
> > > For snapshot before and after (occassionally)
> > > http://www.zsoft.dk/index/software_details/4
>
>
> > Uninstaller for Vista? Are you saying Vista the king of bloatware has no
> > built in facility to remove software? YIKES!
> > pcbuilder98
>
> The win-all built in installer just links to the uninst file that
> comes
> with each app. In some cases these do what they say, but often
> they dont. You need a proper before and after snapshot uninstaller
> if you want to stop your registry becoming a disaster zone. Total
> Uninstall 2 does the job pretty well (though the UI isnt too hot)
>
>
> NT
>

I agree. The fault lies with the uninstall file provided by the software.
RevoUninstaller is worth trying. I just couldn't resist kicking Vista.
pcbuilder98

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:55 am
From: "pcbuilder98"

"Erica Eshoo" <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Nf%Xi.2579$RR6.352@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:27:02 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>
> > Total Uninstall 2 does the job pretty well (though the UI isnt too hot)
>
> I researched uninstallers just now and it seems these are the conclusions
> (YMMV). Does Vista help with this?
>
> Tentative googling Conclusion 1:
> - Most uninstallers need to actively manage the install first.
> - The only uninstaller that works after the fact is McAffee (not freeware)
> - That means there is no freeware uninstaller that works after the install
>
> Pensive googling Conclusion 2:
> - Some recommend only install using the Windows Add/Install Wizard
> - Most recommend using the program-supplied uninstall capability
> - Then, after the uninstall, clean up the crap with CCleaner freeware or
> similar
>
> So, the question then becomes, assuming my googling has been correct:
>
> WHAT are the best two or three (max) freeware registry and file crap
> cleaners out there besides ccleaner freeware?

The best path is to fully research software before you install it and then
only install those programs you are certain you will use and keep. Trying
everything you find is a sure fire way to make your PC a disease infested
flea bag.
pcbuilder98

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 8:32 am
From: PeterC

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:58:05 -0800, Erica Eshoo wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:40:41 -0600, Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>I thought WinRar wasn't freeware?
>> It isn't free. However, if you have a license for WinZip ...
>
> WinRar and WinZip are not free, but they are widely used.
>
> This has always bothered me from a logical standpoint - but I don't know
> enough to answer my own question (sad person that I am)...
>
> May I ask:
> What does either WinRar or WinZip payware do that IZArc freeware doesn't?

For zips, RARs etc. I use Universal Extractor. It's free and, by
experiment, I've found that it can extract to a sub-directory a working
app. Won't do this for MSI exes, but I'm running several things that were
installers of various sorts but I didn't 'install'. 'Uninstalling' is then,
in most cases, just deleting the directory. Worth checking the Reg. and
Docs and Settings.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 8:36 am
From: Franklin

On Tue 06 Nov 2007 15:43:47, Frank McCoy <mccoyf@millcomm.com> wrote:

> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "wasbit" <wasbit@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Frank McCoy wrote :
>>
>>> snip >
>>
>>> However, if you have a license for WinZip, I think the
>>> same license will get you WinRar.
>>
>>> big snip >
>>
>>That's the first time I've ever heard that and I can't really
>>believe it. Do you have any evidence to back up that thought
>>please?
>>
> Generally, if you have the licence for either, it's a key-file in a
> ZIP or RAR file. While running WinZip or WinRar, you click on
> either the key file or the compressed file containing the key file.
>
> If you don't have that key file on your drive somewhere, then you
> might not be properly licensed. If you *lost* the key file, then
> contacting winrar or winzip will get you a replacement.
>
> (For WinRar, it's rarkey.rar containing rarreg.key)
> I presume from that, that WinZip would have zipkey.zip containing
> zipreg.key I guess you'd have to try doing one with the other.
>

A very good example of some very poor thinking.

There must be about 10 errors in that short posting.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 2:38 pm
From: meow2222@care2.com

Erica Eshoo wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:40:41 -0600, Frank McCoy wrote:

> >>I thought WinRar wasn't freeware?
> > It isn't free. However, if you have a license for WinZip ...
>
> WinRar and WinZip are not free, but they are widely used.
>
> This has always bothered me from a logical standpoint - but I don't know
> enough to answer my own question (sad person that I am)...
>
> May I ask:
> What does either WinRar or WinZip payware do that IZArc freeware doesn't?

Winzip was once in common use and is well known, however
freeware like 7-zip does it all, does it better, and with a much
better
UI.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 2:49 pm
From: meow2222@care2.com

Erica Eshoo wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:27:02 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>
> > Total Uninstall 2 does the job pretty well (though the UI isnt too hot)

> I researched uninstallers just now and it seems these are the conclusions
> (YMMV). Does Vista help with this?

Theres no way windows can unless an automated before/after snapshot
system becomes part of win one day.

> Tentative googling Conclusion 1:
> - Most uninstallers need to actively manage the install first.
> - The only uninstaller that works after the fact is McAffee (not freeware)
> - That means there is no freeware uninstaller that works after the install

> Pensive googling Conclusion 2:
> - Some recommend only install using the Windows Add/Install Wizard
> - Most recommend using the program-supplied uninstall capability
> - Then, after the uninstall, clean up the crap with CCleaner freeware or
> similar
>
> So, the question then becomes, assuming my googling has been correct:

Snapshot uninstallers and afterwards uninstallers are 2 quite
different things. To imagine that all software comes with uninstall
utils that really do remove everything woul be wildly optimstic. Once
these 2 points are understood you'll see why there's no possible
way an afterwards only uninstaller of any kind can be safe or
effective.

> WHAT are the best two or three (max) freeware registry and file crap
> cleaners out there besides ccleaner freeware?

...hence this is a moot question.

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>Derald <derald@invalid.net> writes:
>
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>>
>>
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>
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>
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Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 9:37 am
From: "shopbb.com"

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 10:20 am
From: "joe brown"

nospam@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:00:13 +1100, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> "joe brown" <jb@www.com> wrote:

>>> No lab tests exist for any metal disorder

>> Wrong, there is for those that are due to other medical problems.

> Yes, those are physical disorders and they are not treated by psychiatrists.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim at the top.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 10:45 am
From: clams casino

joe brown wrote:

>Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim at the top.
>
>
>
>
OK not-so-up-to-speed Rod - enough with the pig comments.

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TOPIC: Cargill recalls 1 million pounds ground beef in U.S. due to e-coli -
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 11:01 am
From: Barry Bean

david_huang2007@hotmail.com wrote in news:1194294804.886667.137870
@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> So, in light of all the ongoing China bashing in the mainstream US
> media, what do you think is worse? Buying (allegedly) lead-paint
> contained toys from China (even though Mattel has already admitted
> it's mainly their own fault), or eating a dangerous level on a daily
> basis and on a mass-scale of US-made, slaughtered beef by Cargill, a
> US-based company?

Lessee, who do I trust more - A US based company buying US agricultural
products under USDA inspection and subject to US law and working with
consumers, producers, and merchants to minimize impact, or a Chinese
company not subject to US law who uses poisonous products as a matter of
course, and is answerable to a country that has been aggressively
attacking the US economy for the past 3 decades.

I'll take my chances with Cargill any day of the week.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 11:07 am
From: Bill Rider

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> lee h wrote:
>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>> Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or
>>> King sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a bit
>>> too pricey.
>>
>> I recommend an electric matress cover rather than a blanket.
>> Used to use the blankets, but having the matress nice and
>> warm is much better.
>>
>> I picked one up at the local DAV thriftshop. Fourteen
>> dollars for a like new queen size with dual controls.
>> Call your local Goodwill, Salvation Army thrift stores
>> and see what they have.
>
> maybe the piece of mind is worth a few dollars more.
>

I'll give you a piece of my mind for free!

My parents once liked electric blankets. They tried an electric
mattress pad and liked it better. They also found inexpensive
non-powered mattress pads worthwhile. Insulation under you can be more
important than insulation over you. When bedrooms weren't heated at
night, sleeping on insulating material was important.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 11:28 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Bill Rider wrote:
> Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
>> lee h wrote:
>>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>>> Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or
>>>> King sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a bit
>>>> too pricey.
>>>
>>> I recommend an electric matress cover rather than a blanket.
>>> Used to use the blankets, but having the matress nice and
>>> warm is much better.
>>>
>>> I picked one up at the local DAV thriftshop. Fourteen
>>> dollars for a like new queen size with dual controls.
>>> Call your local Goodwill, Salvation Army thrift stores
>>> and see what they have.
>>
>> maybe the piece of mind is worth a few dollars more.
>
> I'll give you a piece of my mind for free!

I can't believe I didn't catch that typo!

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:02 am
From: "Melissa"

"Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
news:uX2Yi.28486$N7.26539@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> > lee h wrote:
> >> OhioGuy wrote:
> >>> Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or
> >>> King sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a bit
> >>> too pricey.
> >>
> >> I recommend an electric matress cover rather than a blanket.
> >> Used to use the blankets, but having the matress nice and
> >> warm is much better.
> >>
> >> I picked one up at the local DAV thriftshop. Fourteen
> >> dollars for a like new queen size with dual controls.
> >> Call your local Goodwill, Salvation Army thrift stores
> >> and see what they have.
> >
> > maybe the piece of mind is worth a few dollars more.
> >
>
> I'll give you a piece of my mind for free!
>
> My parents once liked electric blankets. They tried an electric
> mattress pad and liked it better. They also found inexpensive
> non-powered mattress pads worthwhile. Insulation under you can be more
> important than insulation over you. When bedrooms weren't heated at
> night, sleeping on insulating material was important.

We use a heated mattress pad with dual controls. Our bedroom is very chilly
due to badly run duct work on an addition to our house. We warm the bed up
before going to bed, then I shut mine off. Hubby sometimes leaves his on on
low all night when it's really cold. It's cheaper and safer than running a
space heater.

We use a microfiber down comforter as well which is very light but very
warm, but prefer having the bed warmed instead of having another blanket on
top. I don't scrimp on the price for something like this. After all, we
spend 1/3 of our lives in bed.

Melissa

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 2:49 pm
From: Mark Anderson

In article This@AddressIs.invalid says...
> I picked one up at the local DAV thriftshop. Fourteen
> dollars for a like new queen size with dual controls.
> Call your local Goodwill, Salvation Army thrift stores
> and see what they have.

Ughh. Never ever buy a mattress used. You have no idea who had that
mattress before you and what nasty germs and bugs still reside in it.
No matter how well they're cleaned, mattresses will also carry odor
residue from the last owner and the thrift store where it was stored.
Do you want your bedroom to smell like the thrift store or the last old
person who passed away in it? Yuck! I'd rather sleep on the cold
floor.

The problem with buying a new electric mattress is that the electronics
will eventually wear out far earlier than the mattress will. Also,
your good quality expensive mattresses don't usually come with electric
heaters. With an electric blanket you're not out that much money when
its electronics fails. You can turn on your electric blanket a half
hour before going to bed and it will heat up the mattress too. Electric
mattresses make no sense IMHO.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 3:28 pm
From: "Don K"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47300781$0$11449$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Anthony Matonak wrote:
>> You can get a down comforter for $50. No power required.
>> http://www.lnt.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2417838
>>
>> Add some flannel sheets, a warm spouse, three dogs...
>
> Are you saying the best way to keep warm is to have a three dog night?
> That doesn't work as well for single people like myself who have no
> pets or spouse, but then again one *is* the loneliest number...
>

Don't feel bad, a recent study indicates that only half the spouse heaters
work as intended, anyway. If your spouse feels warm to you, then
you will feel cold to her, and vice-versa. After all, you're dealing
with relative heat flow here.

Also some spouse heaters might operate either AC or DC, which
could cause quite a shock to the unaware.

Fortunately for me, I've married a hottie, so I don't need to shop around
for a spouse heater or electric blanket anymore, and the dog can
continue to sleep downstairs on the couch.

Don

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