Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 13 topics

Tuesday, November 6, 2007

25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 1:27 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

pcbuilder98 wrote:
> "Bear Bottoms" <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote in message
> news:op.t1bf2qnhjo4m88@bwwlxc1...
> > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:32:45 -0600, notaguru <notaguru-obvious@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm enjoying these valuable comments and taking notes --- this is a
> > > great thread!
> > >
> > > As a TBird and Firefox user, I back up the Profile folder for each. That
> > > eliminates the need for re-installing various gadgets and plugins.
> > >
> > > By the way, what is the best freeware uninstaller (for Vista)? I've been
> > > using Your Uninstaller ($) but welcome other ideas.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Gurus
> >
> > RevoUninstaller for general purpose (it's great)
> > http://www.revouninstaller.com/
> >
> > For snapshot before and after (occassionally)
> > http://www.zsoft.dk/index/software_details/4

> Uninstaller for Vista? Are you saying Vista the king of bloatware has no
> built in facility to remove software? YIKES!
> pcbuilder98

The win-all built in installer just links to the uninst file that
comes
with each app. In some cases these do what they say, but often
they dont. You need a proper before and after snapshot uninstaller
if you want to stop your registry becoming a disaster zone. Total
Uninstall 2 does the job pretty well (though the UI isnt too hot)

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 1:44 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

Erica Eshoo wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:24:28 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

> This is FANTASTIC!
>
>
> http://www.freewaregenius.com/2007/10/29/reinstall-windows-and-outfit-your-system-with-all-freeware-programs/

some nice ones there. It brings up the question of launchers
though. IMLE with them, I find the win start menu is the best one
yet, if and only if you sort out the total mess it always starts out
as.
Create folders with category names such as words, security, dump,
system tools, graphics, net, media, search, file managers, and put
the useful shortcuts into them. Put all the other crp into 'dump.'
And there is a whole lot of it.

Having said that, winxp start menu is a real mess compared to the
win-dos one.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 3:05 am
From: throwitout

On Nov 6, 5:44 am, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> Erica Eshoo wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:24:28 -0800, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> > This is FANTASTIC!
>
> >http://www.freewaregenius.com/2007/10/29/reinstall-windows-and-outfit...
>
> some nice ones there. It brings up the question of launchers
> though. IMLE with them, I find the win start menu is the best one
> yet, if and only if you sort out the total mess it always starts out
> as.
> Create folders with category names such as words, security, dump,
> system tools, graphics, net, media, search, file managers, and put
> the useful shortcuts into them. Put all the other crp into 'dump.'
> And there is a whole lot of it.
>
> Having said that, winxp start menu is a real mess compared to the
> win-dos one.
>
> NT

By Win-dos do you mean 9x? How is the Winxp menu any worse?

The Vista one is actually an improvement, and The Win3.1 program
manager was just a disaster.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:07 am
From: "wasbit"

Frank McCoy wrote :

> snip >

> However, if you have a license for WinZip, I think the
> same license will get you WinRar.

> big snip >

That's the first time I've ever heard that and I can't really believe it. Do you have any evidence to back up that
thought please?

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:11 am
From: "wasbit"

Erica Eshoo wrote :

> I don't think I like Bazooka.
> It installed easily into c:\Added Programs\Spyware Removers\Bazooka but it
> says the database is 123 days old no matter how many times I hit the update
> button. When I press update, it says the database is already up to date yet
> it clearly says on the same screen the database is 123 days old.

> When I scan, it runs to completion in about 3 seconds (literally).
> Something is fishy in bazooka.

Bazooka - http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/index.html

Just ran mine (only do it when I remember) with no problems and yes it is so quick that you think that it hasn't done
anything (also see the faq - says 1 second with a Celeron 400Mhz/128mb ram). Get it to generate a log and scan again,
then you'll see what it has checked.
I seem to recall having the same update problem but can't remember how I resolved it. Either it was my firewall or I
downloaded a new copy and reinstalled after deleting the old - contrary to what it says on site, it doesn't show up in
my 'add or remove programmes' so I just deleted the containing folder.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:12 am
From: "wasbit"

Just to add another to your collection,

Regscrub XP - http://www.majorgeeks.com/Lexun_RegScrubXP_d2048.html

- Original site seems to no longer exist. Easy to use.
IMO, unlike some, causes no problems using the default settings. Better than the registry tool built into Ccleaner (

http://www.ccleaner.com ) but not as intensive as the more specialised registry cleaners.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 6:41 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:44:20 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:
> Having said that, winxp start menu is a real mess

The problem, IMHO, with Windows defaults are they are set by Microsoft and
idiots (including almost all, if not all, the manufacturers of software)
organize by the idiocy of company names.

Worse yet, everyone wants to be at the top level, whether it be your
desktop or your start menu.

Idiocy, sheer idiocy.

My solution is elegant, works well, and doesn't fight with the
company-name-at-the-top-level mess already set up by Microsoft by default.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 6:48 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:05:41 -0800, throwitout wrote:
> The Vista menu is actually an improvement, and The Win3.1 program
> manager was just a disaster.

I don't know anything about Vista.
How are the menus better?

What I do to combat Company-Name-At-The-Top-Level menus is the following
organizational scheme which works perfectly for me (but not as well for my
kids as they have to "buy into" my two-level hierarchy).

So, to simplify, the rule for my kids is "never put anything in a directory
that has spaces in the name". That effectively keeps them out of the
Microsoft-mandated mess in "Program Files", "My Documents", etc.

Then, I use that two-level hierarchy in four places:
a. Menus
b. Programs
c. Installers
d. SendTo

Does Vista help here?
In Vista, are there any directories-with-spaces-in-the-name which Microsoft
and other programs "put stuff"? If so, then they are useless. They will be
filled with crap no sooner than you first start using them.

What we need is a directory tree where only WE put the crap in them.
Then, and only then, will we have a hierarchy that makes sense, to us.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 6:54 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:27:02 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

> Total Uninstall 2 does the job pretty well (though the UI isnt too hot)

I researched uninstallers just now and it seems these are the conclusions
(YMMV). Does Vista help with this?

Tentative googling Conclusion 1:
- Most uninstallers need to actively manage the install first.
- The only uninstaller that works after the fact is McAffee (not freeware)
- That means there is no freeware uninstaller that works after the install

Pensive googling Conclusion 2:
- Some recommend only install using the Windows Add/Install Wizard
- Most recommend using the program-supplied uninstall capability
- Then, after the uninstall, clean up the crap with CCleaner freeware or
similar

So, the question then becomes, assuming my googling has been correct:

WHAT are the best two or three (max) freeware registry and file crap
cleaners out there besides ccleaner freeware?

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 6:58 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:40:41 -0600, Frank McCoy wrote:
>>I thought WinRar wasn't freeware?
> It isn't free. However, if you have a license for WinZip ...

WinRar and WinZip are not free, but they are widely used.

This has always bothered me from a logical standpoint - but I don't know
enough to answer my own question (sad person that I am)...

May I ask:
What does either WinRar or WinZip payware do that IZArc freeware doesn't?

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:08 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:11:28 -0000, wasbit wrote:
> Bazooka - http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/index.html
> Just ran mine with no problems and yes it is so quick

I downloaded from the site you suggested.
This time, it seemed to update something because it started off saying the
database was 972 days old and now, after updating, it says the database is
current but in the window it says it's 124 days old. This is progress so
your version of bazooka you pointed me to works BETTER than wherever I got
it from initially.

Still, am I to infer that the "current" database is actually 124 days old?
Maybe I'm reading the information wrong.

****************************************
Bazooka Scanner v1.13.03
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/library/
support@kephyr.com
Log created 07:04:34.
OS: Windows NT 5.1
Database version: 2.730000
Database format version: 1.020000
Database date: 20050314
Current date: 2007-11-06 07:01

****************************************
Result when scanning:

No threats found.
****************************************

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TOPIC: Supply basketball shoe, football shoes, clothes, hat and so on
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Hymiewood Propagandists Want More $$$$
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 3:54 am
From: greg3347

On Nov 6, 12:11 am, Atak <jr89foo17...@hotblast.e4ward.com> wrote:
> Many of these television writers are both Jews and fags. What
> an amalgam - a combination of two subcultures which are
> rabidly hostile to mainstream, traditional America. The result
> is a perfect storm of poisonous agitprop and pornographic
> degeneracy.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Nov 5, 2007
>
> Script Writers Want To Be Paid More To Condition And Destroy
> America
>
> Students of Jewish media control in America might be interested
> in this story out of Hollywood as it shows that even though it is
> an undeniable fact that the media Jews' number one objective is
> to condition America to accept their anti-White agenda, these
> Jews occasionally will spat among themselves about secondary
> issues like money. Show-business writers will go on strike early
> Monday after their negotiating team recommended a walkout over
> royalties that could immediately pinch late-night TV shows.
>
> The Writers Guild of America board voted unanimously to strike as
> of 12:01a.m. Monday. The walkout will be the first in 20 years.
> The labor impasse is over royalties from DVD sales -- last
> negotiated in 1988. "The future of TV is not going to look like
> what it's been for the last 30 years," said Jewish TV writer Dave
> Schiff, who has penned scripts for the show "King of the Hill"
> (which belittles the traditional White Texan) and "That 70's
> Show".
>
> While it is probably overly optimistic to predict that any of the
> millions of lemmings that stay glued to their TV's while our
> civilization goes to hell will be any more reachable during the
> strike than normal, networks will have to resort to reruns, news
> programs and reality shows to fill the schedule in 2008 if a
> strike were to drag on and some of the lemmings might have their
> attention distracted for a time and might think about something
> other than the Jews' trash TV programs. The union's most recent
> strike, in 1988, lasted 5 1/2 months. Industry estimates say a
> half-billion was lost because of that walkout.

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TOPIC: Offering a part-time job
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TOPIC: Frugal BBQ Grill
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 4:53 am
From: "Bill"

I bought a BBQ at walmart which has a very deep area inside it for charcoal.
Almost a foot deep from inside bottom to rack! (Many of the BBQ's have a
very shallow area for charcoal, but there is one model which is this deep.)

But I do not use charcoal in my BBQ grill. Instead I use firewood. And since
I have a wood stove, I have plenty of firewood.

The best part of my BBQ and cooking with wood is the flavor. Very good!
(Don't use used construction wood like pressure treated as this wood has
nasty chemicals in it.)

The best time to buy a BBQ at Walmart is in the winter just before spring.
They always seem to have the summer stuff in the winter and the winter stuff
in the summer...

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Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:08 am
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TOPIC: rarities_4Xmas_Beatles
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:24 am
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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:33 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

lee h wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or
>> King sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a bit
>> too pricey.
>
> I recommend an electric matress cover rather than a blanket.
> Used to use the blankets, but having the matress nice and
> warm is much better.
>
> I picked one up at the local DAV thriftshop. Fourteen
> dollars for a like new queen size with dual controls.
> Call your local Goodwill, Salvation Army thrift stores
> and see what they have.

However, you don't know what condition the electrical system is in when
you buy one used, and given that you're going to be sleeping on/under
it, maybe the piece of mind is worth a few dollars more. if not, at
least run it for a few hours while you're awake in case there are any
problems.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 6:54 am
From: Jeff

A Veteran wrote:
> In article <YAQXi.2856$yV6.856@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>>OhioGuy wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased a twin sized electric blanket about 8 years ago at Odd Lots
>>>(now Big Lots) for $19.95, and used it up until last year. It had some
>>>issues, so we threw it away.
>>>
>>> This year, I'd like to get a new one, but we now have a King size bed,
>>> and
>>>my wife informed me that the electric blanket at Meijer was $75!
>>>
>>> I had no idea - I figured it might be $30 to $40.
>>>
>>> I'd like to use it because often we lay on the bed to read, and it would
>>>be cheaper to heat the bed for sleeping than to keep the whole room warmer,
>>>which is what we currently do.
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or King
>>>sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a bit too
>>>pricey.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A few years ago I priced a dual control blanket at Macy's for around
>>$70. Exact same was $35 at Target .
>
>
> I've heard that they are not healthy for you. Maybe a down comforter?

There used to be concerns about electric fields but the way they
make them now, the fields are minimal (that has to do with the wiring
pattern).

Jeff
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 5:57 am
From: coldsugar

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TOPIC: Frugal Data Recovery
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:01 am
From: Jeff

dale randall wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
>
>> I'll need to recover some files off a hard disk that has lost or
>> corrupted it's directory. (win 2000, NTFS I think. Chkdsk won't run.)
>>
>> Any recommendations for a frugal but good data recovery program?
>> The mass of commercial programs out there is a bit much for me to sort
>> through.
>>
>> This may not be strictly on topic here, but this is a very diverse
>> and intelligent group and I don't think this will be the days worst
>> topic!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> Here is a free program That I used to recover info from and old hd that
> I had changed formats from fat to the later format and it wouldn't read
> anything .

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

That seems to be the program.

NTFS has caused me problems from time to time. This time I believe I
hit the 137 meg limit (my bios and WIN2000 SP4 both support larger) and
the disk lunched. Some days, I'm surprised Bill Gates is still alive!

I've got about two weeks that I don't have backed up....

Jeff

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:14 am
From: Brian Elfert

Derald <derald@invalid.net> writes:

>himself, after a fashion, in such manner. I went to the W3 site ready to
>buy but, unfortunately, they don't mail to P.O boxes and APO/FPO
>addresses, regardless of whether Paypal confirmed. I can't do business
>with them because my confirmed address is a P.O. box and, apparently,
>they lack the experience to know that they're using the wrong shipper if
>they can't deliver to every address in the U.S.A. Perhaps, they may have
>reasons for restricting direct sales but, I ask, "Why would a merchant
>choose to loose(sic) sales like that?"

The only carrier that can deliver to a US Postal service PO box is the
USPS.

Apparently this merchant has decided that the cost of adding USPS as a
delivery option outweighs the number of sales lost to customers with PO
boxes.

Also, a lot of merchants have signed exclusive deals with one shipper to
get better rates. In the past, the USPS was not allowed to offer volume
discounts like this. (Maybe this has changed.)

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