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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko fjwerfijif[
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:46 am
From: Ludi Duke

Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Police fired tear gas and clubbed thousands of
lawyers protesting President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's decision to
impose emergency rule, as Western allies threatened to review aid to
the troubled Muslim nation. Opposition groups put the number of
arrests at 3,500, although the government reported half that.

Musharraf, who took power in a 1999 coup and is also head of
Pakistan's army, suspended the constitution on Saturday ahead of a
Supreme Court ruling on whether his recent re-election as president
was legal. He ousted independent-minded judges, put a stranglehold on
independent media and granted sweeping powers to authorities to crush
dissent.

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

Under intense pressure from the United States and other Western allies
to hold elections as scheduled in January, Musharraf said Monday he
would relinquish control of the military and return the country to
"the same track as we were moving" but he gave no indication when the
vote would take place.

"I am determined to remove my uniform once we correct these pillars -
the judiciary, the executive, and the parliament," Musharraf was
quoted by state-run Pakistan Television as telling foreign ambassadors
Monday.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

Public anger was mounting in the nation of 160 million people, which
has been under military rule for much of its 60-year history, but
demonstrations so far have been limited largely to activists, rights
workers and lawyers - angered by his attacks on the judiciary. All
have been quickly and sometimes brutally stamped out.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Washington was reviewing its
assistance to Pakistan, which has received billions of dollars in aid
since Musharraf threw his support behind the U.S.-led war on terror
after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

"I want to be very clear," she said, as a team of U.S. defense
officials postponed plans to travel to Islamabad for talks Tuesday
because of the crisis. "We believe that the best path for Pakistan is
to quickly return to a constitutional path and then to hold
elections."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates suggested that military aid may not be
affected because the Bush administration does not want to disrupt its
partnership with Pakistan in fighting al-Qaida and other militants.
The country has been hit by a string of suicide bombings in recent
weeks blamed on extremists.

Britain said it had no current plans to change the $493 million it has
budgeted in aid to Pakistan over three years. However, "the whole
world will be watching to see how the transition to democracy that is
so important for our own security ... and the security and stability
of Pakistan itself is re-established," said Foreign Secretary David
Milliband.

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Aziz left open the possibility that the vote would not be held in
January, telling journalists "the next general elections will be held
according to the schedule or a program that will be finalized after
consultation with all the stakeholders."

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

His leadership is threatened by the Islamic militant movement that has
spread from border regions to the capital, the reemergence of
political rival and former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, and an
increasingly defiant Supreme Court, which has been virtually decimated
in the last two days.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:47 am
From: Ludi Duke

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:48 am
From: Filaret

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:49 am
From: Filaret

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:49 am
From: Filaret

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:50 am
From: kiovva

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:51 am
From: kiovva

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 11:51 am
From: kiovva

Milenko Kindl

The attorney general called Monday for the polls to be held on time,
but Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz left open the possibility for a delay.

"I can assure you there will be harmony ... confidence will come back
into the government, into law enforcement agencies and Pakistan will
start moving again on the same track as we were moving."

At a news conference in the West Bank on Monday, she urged the army
chief to follow through on past promises to "take off his uniform."

The Dutch government suspended development assistance, becoming the
first country to do so.

Critics say Musharraf imposed emergency rule in a last-ditch attempt
to cling to power.

Since late Saturday, between 1,500 and 1,800 people have been detained
nationwide, an Interior Ministry official said on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 12:02 pm
From: "jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk"

Erica Eshoo wrote:

> On 04 Nov 2007 23:17:51 GMT, jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > I prefer Xananews as a news client. I prefer it to Forte for
> > example, which somebody mentioned.
>
> http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm
>
> I appreciate the Xanews suggestion as I'm not as happy with my
> freeware nntp newsreader as I am with other programs such as
> IrfanView, DVDFlick, Firefox, etc.
>
> Based on this thread, I created a new directory:
> c:\My Installers\My NNTP Clients\
> and downloaded Xananews into it along with a copy of the HTML page
> (for reference) where I obtained it (I used wget freeware to archive
> the web page along with the executable).
>
> Thanks!

it`s very good, the only news reader that hasn`t pissed me off.

I can tap M and it gets the next message that somebody else has written
in response to me, but which I have not replied to.
This is the key feature i always wanted in a newsreader.

It also colour codes my posts.

To speed up download I just tell it to "get headers" and if I am
interested in a thread, I download the thread or just individual
messages.

I think after downloading from a newsgroup, it colour codes the
newsgroup if it has new posts in reply to mine. I just tap M and it
hones in on them.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:18 pm
From: "badgolferman"

jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk, 11/5/2007,3:02:58 PM, wrote:

> Erica Eshoo wrote:
>
> > On 04 Nov 2007 23:17:51 GMT, jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > I prefer Xananews as a news client. I prefer it to Forte for
> > > example, which somebody mentioned.
> >
> > http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm
> >
> > I appreciate the Xanews suggestion as I'm not as happy with my
> > freeware nntp newsreader as I am with other programs such as
> > IrfanView, DVDFlick, Firefox, etc.
> >
> > Based on this thread, I created a new directory:
> > c:\My Installers\My NNTP Clients\
> > and downloaded Xananews into it along with a copy of the HTML page
> > (for reference) where I obtained it (I used wget freeware to archive
> > the web page along with the executable).
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> it`s very good, the only news reader that hasn`t pissed me off.
>
> I can tap M and it gets the next message that somebody else has
> written in response to me, but which I have not replied to.
> This is the key feature i always wanted in a newsreader.
>
> It also colour codes my posts.
>
> To speed up download I just tell it to "get headers" and if I am
> interested in a thread, I download the thread or just individual
> messages.
>
> I think after downloading from a newsgroup, it colour codes the
> newsgroup if it has new posts in reply to mine. I just tap M and it
> hones in on them.

You know you can change all those keyboard shortcuts to whatever you
want, right? I have made mine the Function keys which makes more sense
to me.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 3:40 pm
From: Frank McCoy

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Erica Eshoo <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:11:20 -0600, Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>- Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
>> I use WinRar instead of WinZip
>
>I thought WinRar wasn't freeware? IZArc is freeware and is almost as good
>as WinRar in my humble opinion.
>
It isn't free. However, if you have a license for WinZip, I think the
same license will get you WinRar. Which makes me wonder why anybody
gets WinZip at all, or why WinZip doesn't have the same functionality as
WinRar?

>>>- Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
>> What's wrong with PGP?
>
>IMHO, in the olden days, PGP was fine; but nowadays - PGP tries to make you
>buy it so most of the stuff doesn't even work except the critical stuff.
>I'm tired of having an entire PGP Desktop program that has most of the
>buttons shut off. TrueCrypt has none of that and is truly freeware.
>
You can't get the older version?

>
>>>- Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
>> Agent or FreeAgent. MUCH better.
>Agent is a classic - but I thought it wasn't free any more. Is Agent free?
>And FreeAgent, I thought was advertiseware; so that's why I didn't install
>it myself. I must admit this list was from memory as I haven't tested the
>best freeware in a long time.
>
Agent and FreeAgent are now folded into one.
FreeAgent isn't just advertiseware, it's a complete and usable package.
It just doesn't have some of the *nicer* function of Agent.
Things like filters and less common encode/decode methods for binaries.

They distribute Agent; but when installing you can select FreeAgent; and
some of the more esoteric and less-used (but nice) functions don't work.

However, the main advantage of Agent or FreeAgent isn't those functions,
but the overall way the program runs. After using either for a while,
you begin to realize how CLUMSY all the others are in comparison.
That's why they distribute FreeAgent. After a while of using the thing,
a large portion of people decide they'd like the extras as well; but the
other free newsreaders just aren't as good as FreeAgent WITHOUT the
extras.

I'd rather run FreeAgent than about any of the other "completely free"
newsreaders, just for the way it handles multitasking. I don't have to
WAIT while the program get posts, downloads files, or does about 90% of
the other tasks in the background while I read and respond to other
stuff. I don't even have to *think* about such things if I set up my
default preferences right.
>>>- Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
>> Except for the price, AVS really covers that better than anybody else
>> I've found ... and believe me I *looked* really hard!
>
>I love DVDFlick. And, it's freeware. I do not know about AVS but all I do
>is slide an AVI file onto DVDFlick and it converts that AVI file to a
>properly sized DVD image and then burns that image to a DVD single-layer
>disk. IMHO, DVDFlick is a great piece of freeware!
>
With AVS video-converter I can read just about *any* supported video
file type, DivX, MPEG 1-4, AVI, Quicktime, or other format, and CONVERT
it to any of the others; either specifying the desired image-size, or
*keeping* the original size; and the same thing with the frame-rate! I
can cut-and-paste any part of the original picture to put in the new
one.

With their AVS video-editor or video-remaker (two separate programs that
do similar things with various changes in their user interfaces) I can
take not just one movie, but many, and combine them seamlessly into a
new whole; cutting and pasting and having the program automatically scan
for scene-changes ... the place where original cuts and splices cause
the most problems. This is *especially* helpful when you get something
like a movie from TV with commercials, or one already patched together
from several other pictures.

But it's the complete ability to read and convert *any* video format to
*any* other, not just AVI files, that makes it invaluable. Many
programs, including the "free" shit you get from Microsoft will handle
AVI files and write them to DVD ... But what if the stuff you get is in
DIVX or MPEG-4 format ... Or something even stranger like Iv5?

I have yet to find a format that I can get my system to read that AVS
converter won't fix so other programs will read and handle it.

My only complaint is that it's a bit pricey.
OTOH, being the *ONLY* software I've found so far that does the job ....

Well, I finally broke down, screamed fit to shake the house down, and
bought a copy. They also include the *whole* package, including gobs
and piles of useful stuff I never use (but you might) at the same price.

(One price fits all: You get *everything* for the same basic price.
However, they have *two* prices: One you get what you get. Two [higher]
you get free upgrades and stuff from then on. I got the slightly more
expensive one; though my first works *just fine*.)

>>>- AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
>> Get Bazooka Adware scanner to add to those.
>
>I never heard of Bazooka. I'll check it out. I use TrendMicro HouseCall
>most of the time as it catches at least one or two infections a week that
>the other guys don't.
>
As does Bazooka, I've found.
They don't upgrade as often and don't catch as many; but they *do* get
some others miss.

>> DivX and XVID, Aptiva Toolbox, BCwipe, CPU-Z, Memtest86+,
>> fonts, Xcalc or Xcalibur-32-bit, Rgh Extensions to Windows
>> Synctoy, TweakUI, Nistime-32bit, V (or V8) file-viewer
>> VIA 4-in-1 installer, Realtek AC-97 sound driver, DirectX installer
>> Having them ALL on a CD-ROM, and not having to spend *hours* downloading
>> them from the net, saves *so much* time!
>
>I love the idea of a separate install directory with a CDROM
>backup every once in a while. That would have saved LOTS of time
>for me.
>
>I'm not sure what some of your suggested programs are, so I'm going to
>have to study them ... especially "rgh", "synctoy", "realtek", "VIA",
>and "Aptiva".

Rgh additions, are useful extensions to the Windows Explorer. Missing
things like jumping to a directory or printing directory contents.

Synctoy is great for keeping directories synchronized.
I use it for backup. With that, a backup directory not only gets new
files, but old ones deleted or renamed as appropriate so the directories
match. You can do it one-way, both ways, or various controls placed on
who does what to whom. VERY useful.

The Via and Realtek drivers are if you have a VIA-chip based
motherboard. A large percentage of motherboards these days are.

The Aptiva Toolbox is a set of various programs.
I like Enditall; a *much* more convenient way of killing running
programs than Task Manager. You want Enditall-2.
I also like Startman.exe
It allows *much* more complete and useful control of what programs
automatically run on startup. The Aptiva Toolbox has several of those
programs; but as I said, I prefer startman. It provides the most
control at the expense of not having quite so slick an interface as some
of the others. With startman, you can disable a program on startup
temporarily or completely remove it. It automatically handles programs
started by the startup group, the various windows .INI files, and also
any in the registry startup keys; letting you know where they are
located, what they *say* they do, and where the actual program being run
is. You can then disable them temporarily; and if that seems OK after
several reboots, then remove them completely with all the editing being
done properly for you.

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:24 pm
From: meow2222@care2.com

PeterC wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:10:44 -0800, Erica Eshoo wrote:
>
> >>> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat

> >> Foxit to replace Acrobat reader.
> >
> > GREAT CATCH! I was wondering what to use to read the PDFs I created.
>
> I used to use Foxit (and still do for reading PDFs down;oaded via Opera,
> where I want justa quick view), but recently started using PDF-XChange
> Viewer as it can do a lot more and has tabs rathet than the new instances.
> It's a bit slower to open, but only abou 2 - 3s.

A lot's been said already, but a few more that have gotten little
mention so far:
* A decent txt editor: win32pad. It has colour schemes, making for
much more comfortable eyes.
* File manager: xplorer squared.
* Also MTexplorer: its horribly buggy, but 6 simultaneous panes can
be useful occasionally. But only occasionally, its a mess otherwise.
* 2 media players, one heavy, one light.
* LS to create a text file listing every file on the machine. Makes
for
ultrafast simple searches.
* Easymessage is simple lean no nonsense multiprotocol IM client.
BUT there is only one version that should be used, 2.3.663, others
are bad bad news.
* Spacemonger
* Crackup fragmentation reporter (dont remember if this does winnt
as well)
* Autoruns (sysinternals)
* "Unknown Devices" if you need drivers for pci devices
* Total Uninstall 2 is a must! Not 3 tho, thats $ware.

Theres plenty more, but those are the key ones.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 12:11 pm
From: barbie gee

> schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the

schitozphenia??

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:09 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 5 Nov, 16:26, Zuke <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
>
> I would suggest going out and volunteering to help other people.
> I have found most depressed people (I know it's a serious illness)
> spend way too much time thinking about themselves.
>
> Also make sure you get your exercise daily like a long walk or a
> swim.
>
> Once you start feeling a bit better maybe you can go on to the next
> step to be together enough to start filling out resumes, going
> back to school, etc.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to help little old me.
I have taken the plunge and applied for some pharmaceutical drugs
trials. they'll get back to me with the date and times of the actual
trials.
I'm still very suspicious that the drugs will cause some damage to my
body,but,nowadays chemicals are found in all manner of stuff like
deoderants and toothpaste,that I might as well take the risk with the
pharmacuetical companies.
Thanks everyone for all the advice,good tips Zuke.
Especially like to thank Michelle for her tips laced with her quirky
sense of humor.
Bye friends.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:25 pm
From: Jon v Leipzig

barbie gee wrote:
>
>> schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the
>
> schitozphenia??
>
think he means;

Schizophrenia,
from the Greek roots schizein (???????, "to split") and phre-n, phren-
(????, ????-, "mind"),

is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness characterized
by impairments in the perception or expression of reality, most commonly
manifesting as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions or
disorganized speech and thinking in the context of significant social or
occupational dysfunction.

Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and
observed behavior. No laboratory test for schizophrenia exists.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:35 pm
From: nospam@nospam.com

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:25:30 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Jon v
Leipzig <JVL@myday.com> wrote:

>barbie gee wrote:
>>
>>> schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the
>>
>> schitozphenia??
>>
>think he means;
>
>Schizophrenia,
>from the Greek roots schizein (???????, "to split") and phre-n, phren-
>(????, ????-, "mind"),
>
>is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness characterized
>by impairments in the perception or expression of reality, most commonly
>manifesting as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions or
>disorganized speech and thinking in the context of significant social or
>occupational dysfunction.
>
> Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and
>observed behavior. No laboratory test for schizophrenia exists.

No lab tests exist for any metal disorder and many are mis-diagnosed and then
drugged for life. The drugs cause brain damage and psychosis.

--
DSM IV is the fabrication upon which
psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine
in general. Insiders know it is more
a political than scientific document.
To its credit it says so

--Loren R. Mosher, M.D.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:00 pm
From: "joe brown"

nospam@nospam.com wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:25:30 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Jon v Leipzig <JVL@myday.com> wrote:
>
>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>
>>>> schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the
>>>
>>> schitozphenia??
>>>
>> think he means;
>>
>> Schizophrenia,
>> from the Greek roots schizein (???????, "to split") and phre-n,
>> phren- (????, ????-, "mind"),
>>
>> is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness
>> characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of
>> reality, most commonly manifesting as auditory hallucinations,
>> paranoid or bizarre delusions or disorganized speech and thinking in
>> the context of significant social or occupational dysfunction.
>>
>> Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and
>> observed behavior. No laboratory test for schizophrenia exists.

> No lab tests exist for any metal disorder

Wrong, there is for those that are due to other medical problems.

> and many are mis-diagnosed

Some are, not many.

> and then drugged for life.

No one is ever drugged for life.

> The drugs cause brain damage and psychosis.

Mindless pig ignorant drivel.

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TOPIC: Cargill recalls 1 million pounds ground beef in U.S. due to e-coli -
China beware!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d9f415a332be8af9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 12:33 pm
From: david_huang2007@hotmail.com

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0318729020071104

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Agricultural giant Cargill Inc said on Saturday it
was recalling more than 1 million pounds of ground beef distributed in
the United States because of possible E. coli contamination.

Cargill Meat Solutions said the 1.084 million pounds (491,700 kg) of
ground beef was produced at the Wyalusing, Pennsylvania, facility
between October 8 and October 11, and distributed to retailers across
the country.

The retail chains that sold the beef include Giant, Shop Rite, Stop &
Shop, Wegmans and Weis.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture returned a confirmed positive for
the E. coli bacteria on a sample produced on October 8, the privately
owned company said.

The USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service said the problem was
discovered through follow-up investigation and sampling after a
positive E. coli test at another federal establishment.

Symptoms of E. coli 0157:H7 illness, the strain associated with the
recall, include potentially severe stomach cramps, diarrhea and
dehydration. Children, the elderly and people with poor immune systems
are the must vulnerable.

"No illnesses have been associated with this product," John Keating,
president of Cargill Regional Beef, said in a statement. "We are
working closely with the USDA to remove the product from the
marketplace."

Rep. Bart Stupak, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce
Committee's subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, said Cargill
CEO Greg Page had been asked to testify on November 13 at a committee
hearing on food safety.

"This latest recall of more than a million pounds of beef is of great
concern," Stupak, a Michigan Democrat, said in a statement.
_____________________________

So, in light of all the ongoing China bashing in the mainstream US
media, what do you think is worse? Buying (allegedly) lead-paint
contained toys from China (even though Mattel has already admitted
it's mainly their own fault), or eating a dangerous level on a daily
basis and on a mass-scale of US-made, slaughtered beef by Cargill, a
US-based company?

David Huang

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:03 pm
From: baldeagle

On Nov 6, 4:33 am, david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0318729020071104
>
> CHICAGO (Reuters) - Agricultural giant Cargill Inc said on Saturday it
> was recalling more than 1 million pounds of ground beef distributed in
> the United States because of E. coli contamination.
>
> The USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service said the problem was
> discovered through follow-up investigation//

>
> So, in light of all the ongoing China bashing in the mainstream US
> media, what do you think is worse?

On million pounds of beef unfit for human consumption !
Recall of American food product is very common and is not
considered a major issue..by US media.
For the past 6 months, there were more than a dozen
Federal cases of recall on tainted food products in the
USA.

The recall of toys from China ...is a different ball game.
It is a politcal tool to damage the good image of Chinese
products....to discourage Americans from buying China-
made products.

Most Americans just ignore the media hype...they continue
to buy China-made goods ...They know better...what
is good value for money.
Look at the trade gap between China and the USA...it is growing
much bigger.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fsis_Recalls/Open_Federal_Cases/index.asp
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2007/NEW01670.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-beefrecall4nov04,1,5193823.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true

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TOPIC: $19.99 kill-a-watt again (3 days)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e56e498aa9648372?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 3:44 pm
From: Warren Block

larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> www.SuperMediaStore.com for 3 days.
>
> P3 P4400 Kill A Watt Free Shipping Help to Reduce Your Power
> Bill.
>
> Use mine all the time, bought a second one from Supermedia
> last year when they had free shipping.

Newegg has them for a dollar more:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001

--
Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota * USA

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:47 pm
From: Derald

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>If it is the post office private carriers can not deliver there.
Well:
http://www.dhl-usa.com/USSvcs/detail/athome.asp?nav=dhlExp/DDeliveryServices/AtHome

http://www.dhl-usa.com/USSvcs/detail/mmathome.asp?nav=USServices/DDeliveryServices/MMAtHome

http://www.dhl-usa.com/USSvcs/detail/smartmail.asp?nav=dhlExp/DDeliveryServices/GblMail

but it might be a bit pricey. OTOH, USPS is competitive up to 70-or-so
pounds and offers identical service, except for reliable overnight
delivery.

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TOPIC: Barn Owl nest plans?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/67e6ca52757fb94d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:21 pm
From: A Veteran

I'm looking for Plans to build a nesting box for Barn Owls.
any ideas? URL's ?
TIA g.

--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.

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TOPIC: Free Credit Report
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:08 pm
From: Gordon

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TOPIC: Could you use some extra holiday spending money??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2dcdd7794a67bb18?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:04 pm
From: "Tockk"

No, not really.

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:16 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

I purchased a twin sized electric blanket about 8 years ago at Odd Lots
(now Big Lots) for $19.95, and used it up until last year. It had some
issues, so we threw it away.

This year, I'd like to get a new one, but we now have a King size bed, and
my wife informed me that the electric blanket at Meijer was $75!

I had no idea - I figured it might be $30 to $40.

I'd like to use it because often we lay on the bed to read, and it would
be cheaper to heat the bed for sleeping than to keep the whole room warmer,
which is what we currently do.

Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or King
sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a bit too pricey.

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