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TOPIC: The Windsor - Bush Bloodline (Or why George W. Bush is the favourite to
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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:38 pm
From: YTR

While President Bush's war policy is strongly opposed by the leaders
of Europe's largest republics, Germany, France, and Russia, he is
supported by those nations where royal families are still in power, or
close to it: Britain, Spain, The Netherlands, and Bulgaria. What the
U.S. mainstream media fails to mention is that he is actually related
to the royal families of those European states where his policy on
Iraq is supported.

As the media reported during the election of 2000, Bush is closely
related to every European monarch on and off the throne and has
kinship with every member of Britain's royal family, the House of
Windsor.

Saxe-Coburg Gotha is the true name of Britain's royal family, but the
name was changed to hide their German ancestry during the First World
War.

Bush has more ties to European royalty than other president to date,
having "blue blood" from both his paternal and maternal lines. His
mother, Barbara Pierce Bush, is related to European royalty through
the Pierce family, which also produced the fourteenth U.S. president,
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857).

Harold Brooks-Baker of London's Burke Peerage says Bush's royal
connections are startling. "Bush is closely related to every European
monarch both on and off the throne," Baker told American Free Press.

"They are cousins." Baker said when asked about the relationship
between Bush and the Bulgarian prime minister, Simeon Saxe-Coburg
Gotha, who visited the White House on Feb. 25. Gotha is the former
King of Bulgaria who was returned to power after decades spent in
exile.

About the apparent close relationship between Bush and the Spanish
king, Juan Carlos, Baker said: "They know they are related." Asked why
the media fails to report these family ties, Brooks-Baker said, "The
American public does not know who these kings are. Not one person in a
thousand has any idea who these people are."

"Mr. Gore and Mr. Bush have an unusually large number of royal and
noble descents," Baker said during the election campaign of 2000. "In
point of fact, never in the history of the United States have two
presidential candidates been as well endowed with royal alliances."

There has always been a significant "royalty factor" in those who
aspired to the White House, with Presidents George Washington, Thomas
Jefferson, Franklin and Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, among
some 30 other presidents, all boasting blue blood links.

Asked if the support of the European royals for Bush's war policy
could be attributed to the fact that these families are heavily
invested in the leading oil companies, Brooks-Baker said, "That's an
interesting question. Indeed, Royal Dutch Shell petroleum made Queen
Beatrix of Holland one of the richest women in the world. She owns
more land in New York and the United States than any other foreigner."

Queen Beatrix, the matriarch of the secretive Bilderberg group, is
like Queen Elisabeth of Britain and is not allowed to play a public
role in political matters. Behind the scenes, however, these monarchs
continue to exercise political influence.

Asked if he thought that kinship with the European royals was the
reason for their support of Bush's war policy, Brooks-Baker said: "I
don't think there is any question about it. These people are obsessed
with supporting relations. It has a great deal to do with it. They all
work together as one family."

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=553

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The Windsor-Bush Bloodline

Or why George W. Bush (is the favourite to be) President of the United
States in the year 2000!

by David Icke

I have recently been sent a series of genealogical charts which detail
a bloodline and its off shoots that will be highly relevant to the
readers of The Biggest Secret.

I had no idea of their existence when I wrote The Biggest Secret. Yet
it reads like an index of the book and most, if not all, of the major
players in the advancing agenda of global control over thousands of
years. These charts are stunning confirmation that the same bloodlines
have expanded their power out of the Near and Middle East of the
ancient world to control the planet today, precisely as detailed in
The Biggest Secret. For readers of The Biggest Secret the following
will prove extremely interesting:

This bloodline and its offshoots includes a long line of pharaohs in
ancient Egypt, including Rameses II (1295-1228 BC), who is considered
to be the greatest pharaoh of all. He was his country's master
architect (sacred geometry) and his name can be found on almost every
ancient shrine. The gold mines of Nubia made him rich beyond the
imagination. This bloodline also includes the extraterrestrial-human
hybrids who ruled Sumer, Babylon, Greece, and Troy, and which, today,
rule the world.

One common link in this bloodline is Philip of Macedonia
(382-336BC),who married Olympias, and their son was Alexander the
Great (356-323BC), a tyrant who plundered that key region of Greece,
Persia, Syria, Phoenicia, Egypt, Babylon, the former lands of Sumer,
and across into India before dying in Babylon at the age of 33. During
his rule of Egypt he founded the city of Alexandria, one the greatest
centers for esoteric knowledge in the ancient world. Alexander was
taught by the Greek philosopher, Aristotle, who in turn was taught by
Plato and he by Socrates. The bloodline and the hidden advanced
knowledge have always gone together.

This key bloodline comes down through the most famous Egyptian queen,
Cleopatra (60-30BC), who married the most famous Roman Emperor, Julius
Caesar, and bore him a son, who became Ptolemy XIV. She also bore
twins with Mark Anthony, who has his own connections to this line and
its many offshoots; this bloodline also connects to Herod the Great,
the "Herod" of the Jesus stories, and continues to the Roman Piso
family who, as I explain in The Biggest Secret, wrote the Gospel
stories and invented the mythical figure called Jesus!!; the same
bloodline includes Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who, in
325AD, turned Christianity, based on his ancestors' stories, into the
religion we know today, and King Ferdinand of Spain and Queen Isabella
of Castile, the sponsors of Christopher Columbus, who instigated the
horrific Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834) in which people were tortured
and burned at the stake for in any way questioning the basis of the
religion their various ancestors had created.

More than that, the most used version of the Bible was commissioned
and sponsored by another strand in the same bloodline, King James 1st
of England. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about! The line of
James, according to genealogy sources listed below, can be traced back
to 1550 BC and beyond and includes many Egyptian pharaohs, including
Rameses II.

The bloodline moved into France and northern Europe through the Franks
and Meroveus or Merovee, who gave his name to the Merovingian
bloodline, and it continues with the rest of the Merovingian clan like
Clovis and the Dagoberts who connect into the elite secret society,
the Priory of Sion and the Rennes-le-Chateau "mystery" in Languedoc
[Provence], Southern France. Many books have been written recently
which claim that the Merovingians are the bloodline of "Jesus".

Some of these authors have just been mistaken, others have blatantly
sought to confuse and mislead. The Merovingians are a key bloodline,
yes, but it has nothing to do with Jesus, who was invented by an
earlier family in the same line, the Pisos. Authors like Sir Laurence
Gardner (Bloodline of the Holy Grail and a favorite of Nexus Magazine
and its owner, Duncan Roads) MUST know this and yet they still connect
the Merovingians to "Jesus". Why??

The Merovingians were Goddess Diana worshippers, as are so many in
this line to the present day. They founded the city we call Paris and
on one of their former sites of Diana ritual, Princess Diana was
murdered in the Pont d'Alma tunnel (meaning "bridge or passage of the
Moon Goddess") on August 31st, 1997. As The Biggest Secret points out,
the Windsors, another Merovingian bloodline, were very much involved
in this ritual murder.

>From the Merovingians, this bloodline's connections to the present day
include: Charlemagne (742-814), who ruled as Emperor of the West in
the Holy Roman Empire; a stream of French kings, including Robert II,
Philip Ist, II and III, and Louis Ist, II, VI, VII, VIII, VIIII, XIII,
IX, XV, and XVI. The latter married Marie Antoinette of this same
bloodline and both were executed in the French Revolution. But they
produced the son who became Daniel Payseur, who, as The Biggest Secret
explains, was taken to the United States where he became the secret
force behind the Morgan and Carnegie empires and owned vast amounts of
real estate, banking, and industrial holdings.

This bloodline also connects to the de Medici family which supported
Christopher Columbus and produced Catherine de Medici, the Queen of
France who died in 1589. Her doctor was Nostradamus: It includes Rene
d'Anjou, Duke of Lorraine, and the House of Lorraine which employed
Nostradamus and Christopher Columbus. The bloodline relatives of the
de Medicis and the House of Lorraine, Queen Isabella of Castile and
King Ferdinand of Spain, were also sponsors of Columbus when he
"discovered" the Americas.

This bloodline also includes the Habsburgs, the most powerful family
in Europe under the Holy Roman Empire; Geoffrey Plantagenet and the
Plantagenet royal dynasty in England; King John, who signed the Magna
Carta; King Henry Ist, II, and III, who were extremely close to the
Knights Templar, as was King John; Mary Stuart and the Stuart Dynasty,
including King James Ist of England, sponsor of the King James version
of the Bible; King George Ist, II, and III; Edward Ist, II, and III,
Queen Victoria; Edward VII; George V and VI; Queen Elizabeth II;
Prince Charles and Elizabeth's other offspring, Anne, Andrew and
Edward; Princes William and Harry from Charles' "marriage" to Princess
Diana; US Presidents, George Washington, John Adams, John Quincy
Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and George Bush
are all named in the charts as strands of this bloodline; it was
passed on to the year 2000 US presidential favorite, George W. Bush
Jr., and his brother, Jeb Bush, the Governor of Florida.

In fact if you go deeply enough into the genealogical research you
will find that ALL the presidents are from this line. Genealogical
sources, like the New England Historical Genealogical Society and
Burkes Peerage, have shown that 33 of the 42 presidents to Clinton are
related to Charlemagne and 19 are related to England's Edward III,
both of whom are of this bloodline. A spokesman for Burkes Peerage,
the bible of royal and aristocratic genealogy based in London, has
said that every presidential election since and including George
Washington in 1789 has been won by the candidate with the most royal
genes. Now we can see how and why. United States presidents are not
chosen by ballot, they are chosen by blood!

This same bloodline also includes key Scottish families like the Lords
of Galloway and the Comyns; Marie-Louise of Austria, who married
Napoleon Bonaparte; Kaiser Wilhelm II, the king of Germany at the time
of the First World War; and Maximilian, the Habsburg emperor of
Mexico, who died in 1867. On and on it goes into country after
country. This bloodline connects into every surviving royal family in
Europe, including King Juan Carlos of Spain and the Dutch, Swedish,
and Danish royal lines.

And this is just ONE of the reptilian bloodlines and just SOME of its
offshoots.

There are others which connect with these names and span the same
period and beyond to thousands of years BC. Detailed family trees of
the above are available on the,

Piso Homepage

and on www.davidicke.com.
Piso-Bush Geneology- Click Here
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Above File in Text Format - Click Here

Our appreciation to the Totsie WebSite for this Genealogy File. The
Piso Homepage researchers tell me that the Totse charts, posted in
1992, are overwhelmingly accurate, but a few of the connections made
by the genealogical records at the Mormon centre in Salt Lake City
have proved to be less than 100%. However, there are so many
genealogical links between these bloodlines that the same connections
can be made via other routes. The Piso Homepage genealogy is the most
up to date in their research so far.Other genealogical sources include
the New England Historical Genealogy Society, Burkes Peerage, and a
genealogist in the United States, who has been studying and charting
the bloodlines of the elite families for 26 years. He wishes to remain
anonymous for obvious reasons.

ARE THERE ANY GENEALOGISTS OUT THERE WHO WANT TO WORK TO UNCOVER THESE
BLOODLINES WHICH HAVE HELD THE REIGNS OF POWER FOR SO LONG? IF SO,
PLEASE CONTACT ME.
David~

Article From: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/bushblood.html

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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:21 am
From: "-Lost"

Response from bluerhinoceros <bluerhinoceros@humanzoo.invalid>:

> PrevX CSI.
>
> http://www.prevx.com/freescan.asp

Since when is this freeware? Or is the online scan part actually free?

--
-Lost
Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
kidding. No I am not.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:38 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:11:20 -0600, Frank McCoy wrote:
>>- Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
> I use WinRar instead of WinZip

I thought WinRar wasn't freeware? IZArc is freeware and is almost as good
as WinRar in my humble opinion.

>>- Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
> What's wrong with PGP?

IMHO, in the olden days, PGP was fine; but nowadays - PGP tries to make you
buy it so most of the stuff doesn't even work except the critical stuff.
I'm tired of having an entire PGP Desktop program that has most of the
buttons shut off. TrueCrypt has none of that and is truly freeware.

>>- Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
> Agent or FreeAgent. MUCH better.
Agent is a classic - but I thought it wasn't free any more. Is Agent free?
And FreeAgent, I thought was advertiseware; so that's why I didn't install
it myself. I must admit this list was from memory as I haven't tested the
best freeware in a long time.

>>- Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
> Except for the price, AVS really covers that better than anybody else
> I've found ... and believe me I *looked* really hard!

I love DVDFlick. And, it's freeware. I do not know about AVS but all I do
is slide an AVI file onto DVDFlick and it converts that AVI file to a
properly sized DVD image and then burns that image to a DVD single-layer
disk. IMHO, DVDFlick is a great piece of freeware!

>>- AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
> Get Bazooka Adware scanner to add to those.

I never heard of Bazooka. I'll check it out. I use TrendMicro HouseCall
most of the time as it catches at least one or two infections a week that
the other guys don't.

> DivX and XVID, Aptiva Toolbox, BCwipe, CPU-Z, Memtest86+,
> fonts, Xcalc or Xcalibur-32-bit, Rgh Extensions to Windows
> Synctoy, TweakUI, Nistime-32bit, V (or V8) file-viewer
> VIA 4-in-1 installer, Realtek AC-97 sound driver, DirectX installer
> Having them ALL on a CD-ROM, and not having to spend *hours* downloading
> them from the net, saves *so much* time!

I love the idea of a separate install directory with a CDROM
backup every once in a while. That would have saved LOTS of time
for me.

I'm not sure what some of your suggested programs are, so I'm going to
have to study them ... especially "rgh", "synctoy", "realtek", "VIA",
and "Aptiva".

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:43 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:01:10 -0800, bluerhinoceros wrote:
> You may have taken it for granted and not mentioned it, but either
> Automatic Updates, or regular visits to Windows Update...

Good point! Yes, I did take autoupdate for granted, assuming most people
opt for that.

It's unfortunate that, even with automatic updates, you don't get WPA2
wireless-encryption support for XP until you download
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357 and or

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021

> DriveImage XML to avoid going through this again. :-)
If this is back up freeware - I MUST have a look see! :)

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:52 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On 04 Nov 2007 23:17:51 GMT, jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> I prefer Xananews as a news client. I prefer it to Forte for example,
> which somebody mentioned.

http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm

I appreciate the Xanews suggestion as I'm not as happy with my freeware
nntp newsreader as I am with other programs such as IrfanView, DVDFlick,
Firefox, etc.

Based on this thread, I created a new directory:
c:\My Installers\My NNTP Clients\
and downloaded Xananews into it along with a copy of the HTML page (for
reference) where I obtained it (I used wget freeware to archive the web
page along with the executable).

Thanks!

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:55 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:31 -0800, Ike wrote:
> Super is well-named.

After that post, I just had to look it up.

SUPER. Simplified Universal Player Encoder & Renderer
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_encoders/super.cfm

Wow. It apparently plays everything but the flute!
It's going to go into my new directory:
C:\My Installers\My Video Players

If you need a simple, yet very efficient tool to convert (encode) or play
any Multimedia file, without reading manuals or spending long hours
training, then SUPER is all you need. It is a Multimedia Encoder and a
Multimedia Player, easy-to-use with 1 simple click.

SUPER supports a wide variety of input/source file format to play or encode
(to & from) without any additional third party software:
Video format: 3gp/3g2(Nokia,Siemens,Sony,Ericsson) asf, avi
(DivX,H263,H263+,H264,Xvid,MPEG4,MSmpeg4 etc..), fli, flc, flv (used in
Flash), mpg (Mpeg I,Mpeg II), mov(H263,H263+,H264,MPEG4 etc..),
mp4(H263,H263+,H264,MPEG4), ogg, qt, rm, str (Play Station), swf (Flash),
viv, vob, wmv
Audio format: ac3, amr, mp2, mp3, mp4, ogg, ra, wma
AviSynth Script Files: avs. ALL Input/source files that fail to encode,
will be encoded without error when using AviSynth scripts.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 2:10 am
From: Erica Eshoo

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:50:11 -0800, throwitout wrote:
> I not only keep a list, but all the installers, since frequently good
> programs become hard to find in the future.

I now have C:\My Installers\My <type of program>\
And I'll keep the installer and a copy of the web pages with wget in each
directory so I know what it was that I downloaded and from whence.

>> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat
> Foxit to replace Acrobat reader.

GREAT CATCH! I was wondering what to use to read the PDFs I created.

>> - AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee
> Or AVG

Yes.

>> - Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp
> Microtorrent: http://www.utorrent.com/
> is the best Bit Torrent client.

I'm gonna switch to uTorrent afer reading up on it. Thanks!

>> - Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
>> - Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing
> iTunes is such a piece of garbage.
I agree. I like SharePod cuz I can move any song from anwhere and I don't
have to maintain a virgin disk hierarchy which rules the world.

>> - Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter
> Fab Decrypter for breaking the latest protection schemes, DVD-Shrink
> for re-compression.

I thought DVDFab Decrypter shrank things to the right size. I guess I'll
add DVDShrink to keep it on a single-layer dvd disc.

>> - Burn DVDs with ImgBurn
> InfraRecorder is really good for
> giving an environment similar to Nero or Easy CD creator.
> http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net

Another one for the C:\My Installers\My Hardware\My DVD directory!
I see InfraRecorder even saves the sound track to a MPEG file. That could
come in handy for the iPod!

> Sandboxie:
> http://sandboxie.com/
> although no iron wall protection, is useful for testing programs
> without committing changes to the system.
I like it. I'll try it.
C:\My Installers\My Protection

> Process explorer to replace Task manager:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/processexplorer.mspx
Another keeper!

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 2:25 am
From: throwitout

On Nov 5, 6:10 am, Erica Eshoo <evesunf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I thought DVDFab Decrypter shrank things to the right size. I guess I'll
> add DVDShrink to keep it on a single-layer dvd disc.

The Free version of Fab Decrypter only does 1:1 backups, most of the
advanced features are disabled.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 3:12 am
From: "Bear Bottoms"

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:32:45 -0600, notaguru <notaguru-obvious@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm enjoying these valuable comments and taking notes --- this is a
> great thread!
>
> As a TBird and Firefox user, I back up the Profile folder for each. That
> eliminates the need for re-installing various gadgets and plugins.
>
> By the way, what is the best freeware uninstaller (for Vista)? I've been
> using Your Uninstaller ($) but welcome other ideas.
>
> Thanks, Gurus

RevoUninstaller for general purpose (it's great)
http://www.revouninstaller.com/

For snapshot before and after (occassionally)
http://www.zsoft.dk/index/software_details/4

--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website

http://bearbottoms1.com

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:46 am
From: kurdi

This IS a great thread.
I recently had the same experience of reinstalling Windows and re-
loading my system with all the essential freeware afterwards.
It was an opportunity to write a posting about the expereince my blog,
entitled: "Reinstall Windows and outfit your system with all freeware
programs"

Of course many of my selections are the same as the ones already
mentioned in the thread.

check it out here:
http://www.freewaregenius.com/2007/10/29/reinstall-windows-and-outfit-your-system-with-all-freeware-programs/

--
Visit my freeware blog: www.freewaregenius.com

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:30 am
From: PeterC

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:10:44 -0800, Erica Eshoo wrote:

>>> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat

If you don't mind a line across the bottom of the page, PDF FactoryPro is
by far the most useable for this - I used it a lot over several years (Mine
doesn't print the line :-> ) and it's quick, makes small PDFs and
interfaces well with Eudora.

>> Foxit to replace Acrobat reader.
>
> GREAT CATCH! I was wondering what to use to read the PDFs I created.

I used to use Foxit (and still do for reading PDFs down;oaded via Opera,
where I want justa quick view), but recently started using PDF-XChange
Viewer as it can do a lot more and has tabs rathet than the new instances.
It's a bit slower to open, but only abou 2 - 3s.

--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 2:55 am
From: maithili

Work At Home EStore
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:59 am
From: George Grapman

maithili wrote:
> Work At Home EStore
> Everything you need to work from home successfully.
> Work at home jobs, advertising, software, ebooks, reseller packs and
> loads more.
> http://www.typeinternational.com/affil/ti12247.htmselect online store
>
The link is as valid as the claim.

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TOPIC: Frugal plaque fixing to the wall?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aef8bf1b16adbca1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 3:45 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1194234293.198697.12650@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
seekingnewhome@myway.com wrote:

> I bought today six plaques (likely made from plaster) for ten cents
> each, and they look real expensive, like from a castle. I want to put
> them in the house on a wooden painted wall. Problem is only that I
> don't want to mess up my wall with experiments and that Velcro is
> likely not strong enough to hold the plaques. Each weighs two pounds.
>
> Any idea how I can fix them to the wall without that I ruin my wall or
> without that they fall off?

Just get someone to hold them up against the wall briefly for you so you
can see if they look appropriate in the location where you want them.

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TOPIC: How to Buy A Used Car Using The Web
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:13 am
From: virig

...Before you even go looking for your car make sure you have a
general idea of how much cars of similar age and type go for second
hand...
http://careforcar.googlepages.com/buying_a_used_car_using_the_web

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TOPIC: US-made pizza recalled due to E. coli; maybe China should boycott all
US-made pizzas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9884cdeb97cd8332?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:12 am
From: david_huang2007@hotmail.com

On Nov 2, 3:29 pm, Siskuwihane <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 9:23 am, david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSWNAS984320071101
>
> > Totino's and Jeno'spizzarecalled due toE. coli
>
> > CHICAGO (Reuters) - Almost five million Totino's and Jeno's frozen
> > pizzas with pepperoni toppings are being recalled because the
> > pepperoni may be contaminated withE. coli, General Mills Inc said on
> > Thursday.
>
> > General Mills, which owns the Totino's and Jeno's brands, said the
> > recall affects about 414,000 cases ofpizzaproducts currently in
> > stores and all similarpizzaproducts that might be in consumers'
> > freezers. Each case contains 12 pizzas.
>
> > The possibleE. colicontamination was uncovered by state and federal
> > authorities investigating 21E. coli-related illnesses in 10 states.
>
> > General Mills said nine of the 21 people reported having eaten
> > Totino's or Jeno'spizzawith pepperoni topping at some point before
> > becoming ill.
>
> > The people became ill between July 20 and October 10, the USDA's Food
> > Safety and Inspection Service said, adding that all the patients
> > recovered.
>
> > The people did not have packages with dates codes or other information
> > General Mills needs to narrow down which pizzas might be affected,
> > General Mills spokesman Tom Forsythe said, adding that, for the same
> > reason, the company could not determine which of its suppliers
> > provided the pepperoni.
>
> >E.coliO157:H7 is a potentially deadly bacteria that can cause bloody
> > diarrhea and dehydration. The very young, seniors and persons with
> > compromised immune systems are the most vulnerable to food borne
> > disease.
>
> > The recall includes eight types of Totino's brand frozenpizzaand
> > three types of Jeno's brand frozenpizzawith pepperoni topping, or
> > pepperoni in combination with other toppings.
>
> > The frozen pizzas were produced in its Wellston, Ohio, plant and
> > distributed throughout the United States. The plant is currently
> > making other pizzas, but not with pepperoni, General Mills spokesman
> > Tom Forsythe said.
>
> > _______________________________________________
>
> > You get the message: US made products may be just as bad as Chinese
> > manufactured ones: So many products may be tainted withE-colilike
> > last fall's lettuce. Protectionism can go both ways. I'd rather not
> > have Pelosi and her protectionist congress dumping onChinajust
> > because their own consumers prefer Chinese stuff to their own
> > industry. The US should fix their own trade deficit rather than
> > picking onChinain vain.
>
> > David Huang
>
> E colihas nothing to do with the deliberate use of lead and
> diethylene glycol in products.

It doesn't matter whether it's deliberate or not: the result is the
same. The FDA is supposed to guard you from eating e-coli and other
germ-infested food, like last fall's contaminated lettuce from
California. And in case the contamination is *not* deliberate, it's
still classified as negligence in tort law. You can basically go and
sue the grower, the FDA, the distributer and your local supermarket
for failing to safeguard your health. You put your trust in them, so
it's a negligence and a breach of trust.

David Huang

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:27 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

<david_huang2007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194268378.928725.15410@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 3:29 pm, Siskuwihane <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 9:23 am, david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSWNAS984320071101
>>
>> > Totino's and Jeno'spizzarecalled due toE. coli
>>
>> > CHICAGO (Reuters) - Almost five million Totino's and Jeno's frozen
>> > pizzas with pepperoni toppings are being recalled because the
>> > pepperoni may be contaminated withE. coli, General Mills Inc said on
>> > Thursday.
>>
>> > General Mills, which owns the Totino's and Jeno's brands, said the
>> > recall affects about 414,000 cases ofpizzaproducts currently in
>> > stores and all similarpizzaproducts that might be in consumers'
>> > freezers. Each case contains 12 pizzas.
>>
>> > The possibleE. colicontamination was uncovered by state and federal
>> > authorities investigating 21E. coli-related illnesses in 10 states.
>>
>> > General Mills said nine of the 21 people reported having eaten
>> > Totino's or Jeno'spizzawith pepperoni topping at some point before
>> > becoming ill.
>>
>> > The people became ill between July 20 and October 10, the USDA's Food
>> > Safety and Inspection Service said, adding that all the patients
>> > recovered.
>>
>> > The people did not have packages with dates codes or other information
>> > General Mills needs to narrow down which pizzas might be affected,
>> > General Mills spokesman Tom Forsythe said, adding that, for the same
>> > reason, the company could not determine which of its suppliers
>> > provided the pepperoni.
>>
>> >E.coliO157:H7 is a potentially deadly bacteria that can cause bloody
>> > diarrhea and dehydration. The very young, seniors and persons with
>> > compromised immune systems are the most vulnerable to food borne
>> > disease.
>>
>> > The recall includes eight types of Totino's brand frozenpizzaand
>> > three types of Jeno's brand frozenpizzawith pepperoni topping, or
>> > pepperoni in combination with other toppings.
>>
>> > The frozen pizzas were produced in its Wellston, Ohio, plant and
>> > distributed throughout the United States. The plant is currently
>> > making other pizzas, but not with pepperoni, General Mills spokesman
>> > Tom Forsythe said.
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> > You get the message: US made products may be just as bad as Chinese
>> > manufactured ones: So many products may be tainted withE-colilike
>> > last fall's lettuce. Protectionism can go both ways. I'd rather not
>> > have Pelosi and her protectionist congress dumping onChinajust
>> > because their own consumers prefer Chinese stuff to their own
>> > industry. The US should fix their own trade deficit rather than
>> > picking onChinain vain.
>>
>> > David Huang
>>
>> E colihas nothing to do with the deliberate use of lead and
>> diethylene glycol in products.
>
> It doesn't matter whether it's deliberate or not: the result is the
> same. The FDA is supposed to guard you from eating e-coli and other
> germ-infested food, like last fall's contaminated lettuce from
> California. And in case the contamination is *not* deliberate, it's
> still classified as negligence in tort law. You can basically go and
> sue the grower, the FDA, the distributer and your local supermarket
> for failing to safeguard your health. You put your trust in them, so
> it's a negligence and a breach of trust.
>
> David Huang
>

Sue the supermarket? That's a stretch, unless you could prove the
supermarket knew of sloppy practices at the lettuce farm.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:17 am
From: eHDMI

Free Bath & Body Scent Sample!
http://www.freebiespl.us/?p=216

They even let you choose the scent

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:18 am
From: frugal fanny

If you've ever wanted to learn a new language, but didn't want to
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TOPIC: SEX LIVE SEX FREE FUCKING STILL FREE
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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:37 am
From: kumasq

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TOPIC: They're spoiling christmas
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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:17 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

mavigozler wrote:
> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-
> living:
>
>> Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
>> store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
>> but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
>> amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
>> until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
>> majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
>> to shop.
>
> I would bet that if someone does a study, they will find that the time that
> the marketing of Christmas by retailers begins is dependent upon the
> expectations of those retailers about how glum or optimistic they are about
> the forecasted sales.
>
> My view is that the earlier they start, the more pessimisstic they are
> about the Xmas (commercialized Christmas) season.
>
> I hear "economists"---cheerleaders for the government's present economic
> policy who make (probably paid) appearances on CNBC---say that Christmas
> 2007 is going to be hopeful for retailers, which contrasts with my belief
> that starting the Christmas shopping season before the Friday after
> Thanksgiving day (the "official" opening of the Xmas season) is a sign that
> they are not hopeful.

Think yer spot on. Was on the tube yesterday (CNN), the reason for the
early start is that the major retailers, such as Walmart are "nervous"
about the Xmas shopping season.

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TOPIC: auto clubs - how to lower your rate?
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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:52 am
From: "OhioGuy"

My Mother bought us a GM Motor Club membership last year. We got our use
out of it - saved about $280 in towing costs during a trip across Canada,
got plenty of free maps, and also used the included Entertainment Book
discounts.

I've been thinking about renewing, but they upped the price $10 a year to
$69 from the $59 it costs the first year, evidently.

Now I try to get each dollar to stretch a little bit more, so I've been
trying to figure out how we can get the introductory rate every year. $10 a
year difference may not seem that important to some, but over 30 years it
would add up to $300. ($400 plus if you include the interest you could have
earned on that money during that time)

I thought about letting our coverage lapse, but unless you let it lapse by
a significant amount (say, 6 months), they probably will just automatically
renew you at the higher rate.

Anyone have experience with this? Perhaps I should just do a new
membership under my wife's name this year? Then I could do a "new"
membership under my name at the end of next year?

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TOPIC: Free Credit Report
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Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:02 am
From: 178925

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