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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:51 pm
From: "badgolferman"

Erica Eshoo, 11/4/2007,4:38:12 PM, wrote:

> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined
> list of freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from
> scratch, again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what
> needs to be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running
> list of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?
>
> Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
> - Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE
> - Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat
> - View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
> - Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall
> - AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee
> - Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
> - Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office
> - Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
> - Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
> - Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp
> - Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
> - Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing
> - Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter
> - Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
> - Burn DVDs with ImgBurn
> - Maps with GoogleEarth
> - RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
> - QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime
> - Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player
> - GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
> - Skype to replace land lines
> - AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
> - Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
> - Any others?
>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities
> for a typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP
> PC?

ERUNT for emergency registry restores.
DVDShrink for DVD backups.
Karen's Replicator for backups.
WordWeb for looking up definitions.
e-Sword for learning more about the Bible.
Editpad Lite for working with text files.
Shareaza or uTorrent for downloading torrents.
Xananews for newsgroup reading.
Media Player Classic and codecs for videos.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:50 pm
From: throwitout

On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Erica Eshoo <evesunf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined list of
> freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from scratch, again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what needs to
> be installed on a laptop to make it useful.

I not only keep a list, but all the installers, since frequently good
programs become hard to find in the future.

> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running list
> of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryptionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?

nlite to slipstream in SP2 and create a disk for unattended
installation. Afterwards although "payware" Acronis true image is
great for imaging for a fast restore. Better than the latest version
of Ghost. Also after installing and updating I remove unnecessary
patch uninstall files (c:\windows\$NTuninstallxxxxxxx)
http://www.nliteos.com/
http://www.acronis.com/

> Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
> - Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE

Adblock plus for Firefox to, well, block ads.
I also use mouse gestures plug in.

> - Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat

Foxit to replace Acrobat reader.

> - View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
> - Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall

I don't really see the need. Plus I also have a router. Other freeware
firewalls allow for more control than Zonealarm.

> - AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee

Or AVG

> - Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip

Tug-zip. Put in rar.exe and it can not only read, but create rar
files. Natively handles zip, 7-zip and millions of others

> - Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office

As much as I'd like to like Openoffice, I find it still can't beat MS
Office 2003. Though with any Office 2000-2003 installation I put on
the converters for office 2007 files, putting off the need of an
upgrade just to support this terrible format.

> - Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp

Microtorrent: http://www.utorrent.com/
is the best Bit Torrent client.

> - Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
> - Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing

iTunes is such a piece of garbage.

> - Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter

Fab Decrypter for breaking the latest protection schemes, DVD-Shrink
for re-compression.

> - Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
> - Burn DVDs with ImgBurn

ImgBurn is good for burning images, InfraRecorder is really good for
giving an environment similar to Nero or Easy CD creator.
http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/

Microsoft's Virtual CD Control panel to mount ISO images. It's tiny.
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Virtual-CDROM-Control-Panel-Download-16468.html

> - RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
> - QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime

Real player and Quicktime are such garbage. Especially Quicktime,
since most software that comes from Apple is pure crap, and they
really like trying to force iTunes on users.

K-lite is good for filling in other required codecs

> - Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player

VLC is good too. If I have a file that k-lite+quicktime alternative
+real alternative can't open, VLC usually can.

> - GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
> - Skype to replace land lines
> - AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy

If you don't download random untrusted programs, and run plugins from
sketchy sites, using anti-adware / spyware programs starts becoming a
waste of time, especially 3. The only things I have ever had them
return are browser cookies, which aren't real spyware as such, and you
can set firefox to delete cookies / history / cache on close. I find
resident anti virus is also a waste of time. Only need to scan
downloaded files, and maybe the odd hard drive scan.

> - Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
> - Any others?

Windirstat to figure out why your 250GB hard drive only has 2GB free
http://windirstat.info/

Eraser
http://sourceforge.net/projects/eraser/
For secure erases, since you seem concerned about privacy.

Sandboxie:
http://sandboxie.com/
although no iron wall protection, is useful for testing programs
without committing changes to the system.

VMWare player for virtual machines. Google around for free ways to
create virtual machines with it.
http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

Process explorer to replace Task manager:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/processexplorer.mspx

Restoration:
http://freeware.it-mate.co.uk/?Cat=System#134
or Free undelete:
http://officerecovery.com/freeundelete/
to have on hand in case you accidentally delete something. Since time
is of the essence in undelete cases.

I use speedfan to monitor my system temperatures and alarm in
overtemperatures/ also monitor hard drive SMART status. In one of my
machines I use it to control the CPU fan speed.
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

BBLean to replace Explorer as the shell:
http://bb4win.sourceforge.net/bblean/

AutoIT to replace GWBasic and DOSkey....
http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/
Really powerful tool for macros, and light programming.

Wakeup on standby to allow your computer to wake from hibernation or
standby at a specified time:
http://wake-up-on-stand-by.qarchive.org/

Freeware download manger to allow resumes for downloads and splitting
of downloads to improve speed.
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/

Putty to replace telnet:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

and FreeSSHd or COPSSH to act as an ssh server so you can get secure
access to your network. FreeSSHd works great for tunneling VNC and
other services, but can not properly handle Remote desktop if you have
XP Pro. COPSSH isn't as compact or user friendly, but works good with
remote desktop:
http://www.freesshd.com/
http://www.itefix.no/phpws/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=12

>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities for a
> typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP PC?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:32 pm
From: notaguru

I'm enjoying these valuable comments and taking notes
--- this is a great thread!

As a TBird and Firefox user, I back up the Profile
folder for each. That eliminates the need for
re-installing various gadgets and plugins.

By the way, what is the best freeware uninstaller (for
Vista)? I've been using Your Uninstaller ($) but welcome
other ideas.

Thanks, Gurus

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:22 pm
From: rutgerskevin

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:31 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Rod Speed wrote:

>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>> having blood removed.
>
> That was just the placebo effect.

Trivia Department: Actually, there is one disease, hemochromatosis --

> Hemochromatosis, the most common form of iron overload disease, is an
> inherited disorder that causes the body to absorb and store too much
> iron. The extra iron builds up in organs and damages them. Without
> treatment, the disease can cause these organs to fail.

-- for which the easiest cure is regular blood withdrawal.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:33 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Well, if yoiu are suffering from a serious clinical depression, that
might exclude you from being considered in a clinical trial.

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:02 pm
From: the_dawggie

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> Well, if yoiu are suffering from a serious clinical depression, that
> might exclude you from being considered in a clinical trial.
>
> zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
>> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
>> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
>> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
>> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
>> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
>> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.

My mind is the way it is, it has multiple disorders, including
schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the
quacks would be able to help.

Fucked if I will pay a DroogCo my $ for some temporary
cure (they need a constant income stream, so you won't
see a cure anytime soon).

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:58 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article
<1194175968.613607.28800@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
zaman_2756@yahoo.com says...
> On 4 Nov, 11:02, purpleveggie <purpleveg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > > on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > > into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > > I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> > > 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> > > The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> > > can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> > > I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > > depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > > So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > > making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).

> > run up as much debt as you can(apply for zillions of credit/store
> > cards)
> >
> > then declare yourself bankrup.
> >
> > easy peasy,
> >
> > lemon squeezy.

> Thanks for the tip purpleveggie. But surely it can't be that simple? I
> mean, wouldn't the government have caught up weith the fact that
> people might abuse the system of declaring themselves bankrupt after
> running up debts on purpose?

Of course. That is why such behaviour constitutes fraud. Which
is a form of stealing. And is a criminal offence.

Even without criminal prosecution, bankruptcy laws have
provisions for challenging the discharge of debts in the more
obvious situations (ran up the Visa card two weeks before going
to court, etc.)

Would you want to associate with someone who thought that such
thievery was a cool thing to do? Would you trust them on a
personal level? Would you want to face that person in the
mirror?

--
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== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days people who were ill would often state they
>>> felt better after having blood removed.

>> That was just the placebo effect.

> Trivia Department: Actually, there is one disease, hemochromatosis --

>> Hemochromatosis, the most common form of iron overload disease, is an inherited disorder that causes the body to
>> absorb and store too much iron. The extra iron builds up in organs and damages them. Without treatment, the disease
>> can cause these organs to fail.

> -- for which the easiest cure is regular blood withdrawal.

But those are unlikely to make the individual FEEL BETTER.

AND that is such an unusual condition that it cant explain the OFTEN in the original either.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:43 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Michelle la Belle wrote:
> I think exercise can help almost anybody. Just not so much with
> severe depression. If you are working, then good for you. Relaxing
> too much? Sure, sleeping all day would be what I would call relaxing
> too much but then it's probably more like, I'm sleeping because I want
> to escape my depression, or because I can't think of anything to do;
> so that would make you feel bad.
>
> A more productive way to relax would be to do relaxation exercises,
> preferably with a group; go to a yoga class; or meditation; have a
> sauna; do breathing exercises; that kind of thing. Kicking back and
> watching a movie is better than nothing.

Hmm, you've made some good points. I guess in retrospect what I was
getting at (or trying to) was that there are active and passive forms
of relaxation. And sometimes the active ones can actually work better
than the passive ones. That's something I didn't really understand
until fairly recently. I tended to be stressed out by stuff and
decide that I needed to take it easy for a while to get energy back,
meaning just sit around and do nothing for a while. That works, but
not sometimes nearly as well or nearly as quickly as some kind of
active recreation (going out and doing something fun, exercising,
getting involved in some kind of fun project, whatever) can work.
At least if the goal is to get stuff out of your system mentally,
and even on a biological level (reset your mood).

On the other hand, I'm not an expert on brain chemistry, but from what
I understand, sometimes sleep really is the best thing for you because
it's during sleep that the body makes serotonin. And we all know that
serotonin is related to depression; that'd be why SSRIs exist. So
sometimes being active might be OK, but just sleeping a lot could
actually be the best thing to do. So sometimes the most passive thing
that there is could be the best thing for a particular circumstance.

- Logan

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:03 pm
From: Logan Shaw

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> doubts and go for the medical trials?

If you decide to do that, just be selective and go for the ones that
are relatively safe. Don't do a study where you'll have to take a
drug that they've never tried on humans before. Not all the studies
involve figuring out if a drug is safe for humans. In cases, they
are testing a drug that is known to be safe but they just want to
find out whether it's effective for a particular thing, or in a
particular dose.

They won't tell you every tiny little detail of the experiment ahead
of time, but they can give you enough so that you can make an informed
decision for yourself about whether it's safe. Also, at least the
company that does clinical trials in the town where I live has a policy
that you can withdraw from a study at any time for any reason.

So, I think if you are smart and you exercise good judgment (and if
we can make the assumption that they won't outright lie to you about
the risks), you can probably choose to be in studies where you won't
have any real lasting negative effects. You might experience temporary
suffering if they are doing tests on a painkiller and they want to
find out the bare minimum dosage that is effective or something, so
it won't be all happy and beautiful I'm sure...

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:53 pm
From: "akalingan@yahoo.com"

If nothing works out,start meditating and praying for few days until
you gain some spiritual motivation and spiritual healing then things
will work out on its own.Spend more time in church,temple or mosque to
regain some power. That is the most effective way of coming out of
depression.

We will think about earning money later.
Kali

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:44 pm
From: seekingnewhome@myway.com

I bought today six plaques (likely made from plaster) for ten cents
each, and they look real expensive, like from a castle. I want to put
them in the house on a wooden painted wall. Problem is only that I
don't want to mess up my wall with experiments and that Velcro is
likely not strong enough to hold the plaques. Each weighs two pounds.

Any idea how I can fix them to the wall without that I ruin my wall or
without that they fall off?

Leo

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:25 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <1194234293.198697.12650@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<seekingnewhome@myway.com> wrote:
>I bought today six plaques (likely made from plaster) for ten cents
>each, and they look real expensive, like from a castle. I want to put
>them in the house on a wooden painted wall. Problem is only that I
>don't want to mess up my wall with experiments and that Velcro is
>likely not strong enough to hold the plaques. Each weighs two pounds.

>Any idea how I can fix them to the wall without that I ruin my wall or
>without that they fall off?

Nails generally do the least amount of danage to a wall. Adhesive-backed
hangers are usually a disaster.

4d or 6d (also known as 4 penny or 6 penny) nails work well, unless your
items are over 10 lb (4.55kg). For heavier items, use larger nails driven
into the walls' studs.

Gary

--
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http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:39 pm
From: Larry Bud

On Nov 3, 5:41 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > Innews:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.comLogan Shaw wrote:
>
> >> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
> >> to their web site here:
> >>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
> >> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
> >> are for the various sizes of batteries.
>
> > If that info is also "quite prominently" listed on the retail package,
> > then you're right.
>
> It's displayed on the packaging but it won't mean anything to you
> unless you know what what mAh means and the capacity of comparable
> batteries.

So now you want a fucking physics lesson on the package of batteries?
Do your homework before you pull your wallet out.

No wonder why hair dryers having warnings of using them in the bath
tub.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:42 pm
From: Larry Bud

> Energizer's rechargable D-cell is a purely fraudulently promoted product
> and they should be nailed to a fence over it.

What exactly is fraudulent? They list the mAh of the batteries on the
packaging, for crissake.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:15 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:

>>>their Mickey Mouse "D cell size replacement" only has 12% of the energy
>>>of an alkaline D cell which is nominally 20,500 mAh.
>>
>>What do you mean by "20,500 mAh" of energy? :-)
>
> He did not say 20,500 mAh of energy.

Not *exactly* :-)

> But if the cells have same voltage (and I think that averaged over
>discharge they roughly do)...

Were we talking nicads or nimhs?

Nick

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I know that you may have seen this on Oprah or even received numerous
messages about this simple program and have probably just deleted
them,
I know I have! But for some unknown reason this time I decided to give
it a try.

Please give it an honest effort, you will not be disappointed and will
be very glad you did when it starts to work. Remember, all you're
going to be out of pocket is about the cost of a couple of coffees
with the opportunity of banking thousands of dollars into your Paypal
account!

I sent out my measly $6.00 to the six people on the list. Well GUESS
WHAT!!...Within 7 days, I started: getting $$$$$ in my account! I was
shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the CASH just kept coming
in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second
week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had
over $15,060.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and
I have made a total of just over $26,000.00 and it's still coming
in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 minutes to send it out.
This program WORKS, all you have to do is try it, and waste some
pocket change. You could find six dollar lying around the house. There
is absolutely nothing you could lose. Just follow the 3 basic steps
below to make thousands in just a few days, weeks, or months, it all
depends on how many posts of this letter you put in message boards or
send as emails.

Here's how it works: When you post 200 messages all over the Internet,
it is estimated that at least 15 people will respond and send you a
$1.00. ($15.00). Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send
you $1.00 ($225.00) Those 225 people Post 200 Posts each and 3,375
people send you $1.00 ($3,375.00) Those 3,375 post 200 posts each and
759,375 people send you $1.00 ($759,375.00) At this point your name
drops off the list, but so far you have received $813,615.00.
Note: I'm not saying this is going to make everyone 800 grand, but
lets say even 1 person out of 200 tries this program, you are still
going to make 50,000 Dollars anywhere from 1 month to 6 months
max!!!!! You can also copy this letter and email it to some of your
friends and associates, it's a guarantee that some of them will be
interested and give it a go, the more that do the more you make.

INSTRUCTIONS 1. Immediately send $1.00 to each of the six people on
the list using
Paypal, and in the comment (Subject) section type "Please add me to
your list". Below
are the emails that you transfer the money into:

Paypal accounts to send 1 dollar to:

1) mlrobinson1@mchsi.com
2) eifern16@comcast.net
3) Keller1231@pldi.net
4) sandy_j99009@yahoo.com
5) user143081@aol.com
6) kel4kat@yahoo.com

2. After sending the money to the first 6 people on the list, you can
remove the name next to the #1 on the list and move the rest of the
names up one position (#2 becomes
#1, #3 becomes #2, etc?) Then place your name in the #6 position. Then
save it.

3. When you have completed the instructions, take this letter and then
go to (Google, Yahoo,...) and type in (Making Money Message board,
Money Message Board,
Money Forum, Free money Forum, or anything along those lines that are
forums) and start posting your copy of this message at least 200
times, to as many unique message boards as you can, or more. The more
times you post this at a unique board, the more money you will make.
You can email your message to as many people you can but remember, the
more you post and email the more money you make! Keep a copy of this
letter so you can use it a second time. Post it out again in six
months, but Post it with the addresses you receive with each dollar
pound. It will work better the second time. Estimates are at 20,000 to
50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the
actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will
work. If you don't have a Paypal account you can copy the link below
and follow the instructions. It's totally secure, costs you nothing to
set-up and is a very useful way of transferring and more importantly
receiving money. You will be amazed every time you check your account
to see how much money has been paid into it, and this money goes
straight in without any deductions. To sign up for Paypal follow this
link, just make sure that you use the same email address for your
Paypal account that you put in this list, that's how your payments are
made.
https://www.paypal.com

4. This program remains successful because of the honesty and
integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by
carefully adhering to the instructions.
In this business your product is not solid and tangible, its a
service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many
large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists.
However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the
income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included
in that list.

5. This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to section
18
1302& 1241 of the Postal Lottery laws.

Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money,
you can use it again and again. This is the biggest growing
internet money making investment on the net, you will see that as you
post your letters to the message boards, but that just proves how
successful it really is.

6. Good luck, don't forget to follow the instructions correctly and
spend the money wisely!!

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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:13 pm
From: swisscash consultant

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:54 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:59 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:00 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:02 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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