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TOPIC: A legal method of asset protection is being offered .....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:00 pm
From: George Grapman

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:28:28 -0000, HelpSupportIsrael@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 12:14 pm, "jerryl" <j...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> "CollegeDyanmics" <CollegeDynam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1194007001.741850.239800@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 7:31 am, "jerryl" <j...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> "CollegeDyanmics" <CollegeDynam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1194005840.074560.51490@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> I found an auction on e-bay that is offering a legal method of asset
>>>>>> protection. It protects your car as well as your cash. Your car needs
>>>>>> to be protected because, if it is not protected, creditors may seize
>>>>>> your car.
>>>>>> Check out the method at:
>>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESEX:I...
>>>>>> I bought the method from this seller, and it worked for me. It
>>>>>> protected my car and my bank account. My house still has a lien on it,
>>>>>> but it is protected from every other creditor besides the mortgage
>>>>>> broker. I own my car free and clear, and the methods in the report
>>>>>> prevented a creditor with a judgment against me from having my car
>>>>>> seized.
>>>>>> I wish I could tell you more, but I don't feel it is right to give
>>>>>> someone else's intellectual property away. The man who wrote the
>>>>>> report did extensive research to come up with a legal method of asset
>>>>>> protection.
>>>>> Gee, the intellectual info is being sold by someone on Ebay with 0,
>>>>> that's
>>>>> zero feedback. The item was just placed on Ebay an hour ago and you're
>>>>> telling us that you already purchased it (there were no bids or buyers on
>>>>> the item) and saved your car, your house and your underwear. That's
>>>>> great.
>>>>> Don't you think that your shilling of your own sale is quite obvious and
>>>>> stupid?
>>>> I bought from him before, he asked me to help him advertise.
>>> If you bought from him before, why does he have zero feedback?
>> I bought from him a while back. it is a system of setting up shell
>> corporations, and it works great.
>
> Lemme guess: you - er, I mean HE - got kicked off of eBay under his
> old nym, and had to start all over again with a new one - hence the
> zero feedback?
>
> Speaking of nymshifts, how do you explain the fact that your nym
> changed from "CollegeDynamics" to "HelpSupportIsrael?" Did gmail kick
> you off too? :)
And the same IP address for both names.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:17 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:00:53 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:28:28 -0000, HelpSupportIsrael@gmail.com wrote:

>> Lemme guess: you - er, I mean HE - got kicked off of eBay under his
>> old nym, and had to start all over again with a new one - hence the
>> zero feedback?
>>
>> Speaking of nymshifts, how do you explain the fact that your nym
>> changed from "CollegeDynamics" to "HelpSupportIsrael?" Did gmail kick
>> you off too? :)
> And the same IP address for both names.

Yup. This guy is proof of the theory that "stupid people don't know
they're stupid." He actually expected everyone to fall for his little
scam, and had no idea whatsoever that it was so transparent. Even now
he is totally bewildered at how we figured out he was a scammer.

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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:01 pm
From: bluerhinoceros

Erica Eshoo wrote:

> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?

You may have taken it for granted and not mentioned it, but either
Automatic Updates, or regular visits to Windows Update...

> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP PC?

DriveImage XML to avoid going through this again. :-)

http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm

PrevX CSI.

http://www.prevx.com/freescan.asp

Cheers.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:17 pm
From: "jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk"

Erica Eshoo wrote:

> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined
> list of freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from
> scratch, again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what
> needs to be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running
> list of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?
>
> Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
> - Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE
> - Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat
> - View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
> - Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall
> - AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee
> - Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
> - Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office
> - Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
> - Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
> - Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp
> - Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
> - Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing
> - Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter
> - Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
> - Burn DVDs with ImgBurn
> - Maps with GoogleEarth
> - RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
> - QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime
> - Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player
> - GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
> - Skype to replace land lines
> - AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
> - Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
> - Any others?
>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities
> for a typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP
> PC?

I don`t think you missed any critical, you can always find ones you
need as and when you need them. And add them to your list.

I consider a cd burning one like CD Burner XP, and ones for playing
media, and irfanview, as most critical. You have those covered really,
I would add..

SUPER by eRightSoft <-- for converting media, including converting one
to a more compatible format so even standard WMP can read it

VLC VideoLAN <-- a media player that plays almost anything, though
cannot always jump around as in WMP. It does play more than WMP Classic
or quicktime alternative.

I prefer Xananews as a news client. I prefer it to Forte for example,
which somebody mentioned.

Google Groups is good though, and has a searchable archive which is
crucial/critical.

There is this site
http://www.aplusfreeware.com/
and this
http://bearbottoms1.com/
and prob others.

Infact, if you had typed freeware into Google Groups you`d have got
that newsgroup I mentinoed below, and there you would`ve seen those 2
links mentioned.
You can try alt.comp.freeware too, they would also have lists.

If any freeware is critical, you already mentioned it.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:31 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <13isjptf4fo5a8@news.supernews.com>,
bluerhinoceros <bluerhinoceros@humanzoo.invalid> wrote:
>Erica Eshoo wrote:

>> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
>> - Windows XP SP2
[ ... ]

>You may have taken it for granted and not mentioned it, but either
>Automatic Updates, or regular visits to Windows Update...
[ ... ]

Or, manually download each update and save it in your installs folder.
That way Microsoft doesn't get to slide through another unauthorized
spyware installation when you have auto-install turned off.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:29 pm
From: Gordon

Erica Eshoo <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:8ZqXi.18808$JD.18447@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:

> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined
> list of freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from scratch,
> again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what
> needs to be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running
> list of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
----deleted list ---
>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities
> for a typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP
> PC?

I use Faststone for an image browser
and Winamp for multimedia (also has a tag editor and iPod support).

Also look into Autoruns and Process Explorer by Sys internals.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:29 pm
From: Ike

jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> SUPER by eRightSoft <-- for converting media, including converting one
> to a more compatible format so even standard WMP can read it

WOW! Thanks for the referral to this incredibly SUPER
software. I've been looking for something like this, and
over time have spent a lot of money on products that are
incompetent, incompatible with Vista, or hard to use.

Super is well-named.

Ike

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:18 pm
From: bluerhinoceros

jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> You can try alt.comp.freeware too, they would also have lists.

She crossposted over here.

Cheers.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:23 pm
From: "jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk"

Ike wrote:

> jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > SUPER by eRightSoft <-- for converting media, including converting
> > one to a more compatible format so even standard WMP can read it
>
>
> WOW! Thanks for the referral to this incredibly SUPER software. I've
> been looking for something like this, and over time have spent a lot
> of money on products that are incompetent, incompatible with Vista,
> or hard to use.
>
> Super is well-named.
>
> Ike

it takes some looking to find the download link on the site, sometimes
the link looks more like an advert.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/ca6
08a10ede5d1e3/f7d9d02939bbe706?hl=en&lnk=st&q=jameshanley39+super#f7d9d0
2939bbe706
links to alt.comp.freeware, thread- How to Burn & Play an AVI File
I`ll paste what I wrote there, here

with a file that plays in some i.e. VLC but not others. Or suppose
you don`t have VLC. You might find it plays in WMP classic, but not
others like WMP.

there are 2 logical options..

-try different players - maybe one will support the file
or
-convert the file to a format, that is compatible.

You can convert the file using SUPER by eRightSoft to a form of mpg or
avi or whatever, that is compatible with all/most players. I have
done that and find they then always play even in plain old WMP(windows
media player).

You drag the file onto SUPER, then check the box, click "Encode". See
if that makes a file that even WMP can read. You may have to choose a
different "output container" - dropdown menu, then click Encode.
Hopefully instead of just "encoding", a window will pop up and say
"Rendered file optimizer- select one of the following FourCC - DIVX -
all players compatible, DX50 .... "
You choose "DIVX all players compatible". Then let it encode and it
will work.
I don`t know why it uses terms like "encoding" or "output container"
or "FourCC" , exactly what is meant, but it works. But I get generally
what it means. Encoding is making the file, output container is the
format mpg, avi, e.t..c FourCC is to do with the type of codec it uses
to make the file.

I did once have a file that was not reading in , maybe only in VLC.
For the hell of it I checked it with gspot, to see what codec it used.
I said "divx" I think it said it in lowe rcase. Still, converting it
with SUPER fixed it. THen it said DIVX in upper case. The
thechnicalities are a load of bollocks that don`t interest me greatly.
But the process - converting the file to a more compatible format,
that makes sense and works.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:34 pm
From: Duddits

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:38:12 GMT, Erica Eshoo
<evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
>WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
>Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined list of
>freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from scratch, again. :(
>
>I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what needs to
>be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
>I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running list
>of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
>Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
>- Windows XP SP2
>- Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
>- Any others?
>
>Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
>- Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE
>- Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
>- Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat
>- View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
>- Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall
>- AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee
>- Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
>- Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office
>- Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
>- Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
>- Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp
>- Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
>- Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing
>- Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter
>- Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
>- Burn DVDs with ImgBurn
>- Maps with GoogleEarth
>- RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
>- QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime
>- Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player
>- GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
>- Skype to replace land lines
>- AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
>- Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
>- Any others?
>
>I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities for a
>typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
>What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP PC?

I like 40tude Dialog better than XNews
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
Alt.Binz for binaries
http://www.altbinz.com/

Utorrent over Bittorrent
http://www.utorrent.com/

Don't give up on FTP
http://filezilla-project.org/

FastStone Image Viewer to manage photo collections and lightweight
editing.
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
Photoscape for more serious photo editing
http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

Windows defender in addition to your other spyware solutions
(unattended scans automatically)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

FreeCommander is the best freeware file manager IMSHO ;-)
http://www.freecommander.com/

AgentRansack for serious file searches
http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/

Pidgin for Instant messaging if you do such things
http://www.pidgin.im/

regards

Dud

Never argue with a fool - people might not know the difference. - Anonymous

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TOPIC: Energizer Rechargable "D" Battery Exposed
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:18 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <fgk59e$is@acadia.ece.villanova.edu>,
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>their Mickey Mouse "D cell size replacement" only has 12% of the energy
>>of an alkaline D cell which is nominally 20,500 mAh.
>
>What do you mean by "20,500 mAh" of energy? :-)

He did not say 20,500 mAh of energy. And I am aware that mAh is a
unit of charge, not energy. (I wonder if the OP is.)
But if the cells have same voltage (and I think that averaged over
discharge they roughly do), then energy is proportional to charge. So if
Cell B has 12% of the charge of cell A, then cell B also has 12% of the
energy of cell A.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:21 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <5N6dnQnymo8cIrDanZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com>, Don K wrote:
>"max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:betatron-2A8BB2.04092704112007@news.ftupet.com...
>>
>> D cells have always had more more ma-hrs than AA's, at least until
>> Energizer came along.
>
>As I recall, Radio Shack also made some batteries that were built from
>regular smaller ones soldered inside a larger case package.
>
>They were extraordinarily light for the size.

Back in the days before NiMH was something anyone could get in a retail
store, Radio Shack NiCd D cells were something smaller plus packaging and
filler, but bigger than AA. I think it was sub-C.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:26 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> None.
> However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> disability.
> Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> Martin <><

OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
doubts and go for the medical trials?
Thanks again friends.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:33 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:55:04 -0500, Bill Rider <please@nospa.mnet>
wrote:

>PaPaPeng wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:10:19 -0700, zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> As a person who had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for all my life I know
>> exactly the problems you face. In my case 10 years ago (I'm retired
>> now) I found by chance that I am food intolerant to soy, gluten,
>> legumes and a few more common foods that in others would trigger an
>> allergic reaction.
>
>Leaky Gut causes intolerance to lots of foods.
>
>>
>> I'll skip the discovery process and get straight down to the "cure"
>> you may try. Avoid intolerance foods. Look up WIKI on "The Leaky
>> Gut".
>
>Bad article. They make it sound like a wacko theory. In fact, a lot of
>the body's energy goes into maintaining the gut lining. It takes
>sufficient rest and good nutrition. Flaws in the lining allow
>undigested proteins into the blood. That's common. If it happens
>enough, allergies develop to certain proteins. That can make the gut
>leak worse.
>
>When an endocrinologist suggested that's what I had, I realized I had
>recently become intolerant of many foods and the trouble would start
>about an hour after eating.
>
>>
>> With intolerance foods our body's immune system is cranked all the way
>> up to fight the "toxins". That means our metabolism is elevated and
>> never allowed to achieve basal rate - I feel toasty all the time.
>> That's my theory why we do not get restful sleep.
>
>I was so bad my temperature stayed below normal. If I went out to mow
>the lawn on a warm day, it would drop a couple more degrees and might
>take an hour to come back up.
>>
>
>> Use the common allergen foods as your reference point. This may
>> include the "health foods" such as tofu, liver, kidneys and a few
>> other exotic stuff food faddists will swear by. Another good
>> reference point is foods some kid hate such as cabbage-brocolli, peas,
>> spinach. Remove them from your meals. I won't confuse you with my
>> theories as to why. Try for two months at least to eat the simplest
>> foods that agree with you. Fresh meat and veggies. Plain carbs such
>> as rice, oats or wheat flour. Avoid processed foods. They all have
>> soy flour or oil added and spices. For me that's practically toxic.
>> They taste darn good though. Now that I am resensitized even a cube
>> of tofu in soup will give me an instant cold sore on my inner lip. As
>> an oriental there was soy in every meal and you see why I had an
>> undiscovered lifelong problem until late in life. This brings up the
>> point that you must use minimal salt and no other condiments or
>> sauces.
>
>The endocrinologist recommended two things: 400 mg a day of magnesium
>added to my drinking water and vitamin A. The improvement started
>immediately and progressed for months.
>
>Most modern Americans don't get enough magnesium. (A blood test is not
>a good indicator.) Americans used to depend on liver for vitamin A. I
>was depending on pills, but the beta carotene in pills may not work.
>Most fruits and vegetables don't have much, and you won't get it if they
>aren't cooked. They need to be eaten with fat so the beta carotene can
>be converted. Exercise and spending time outdoors increase the
>requirement for vitamin A.
>
>Polyunsaturated vegetable oils, legumes, and cabbage-broccoli vegetables
>can interfere with production of thyroid hormone, which can result in
>chronic fatigue, leaky gut, and lots of other problems. Soy products
>are especially bad. I avoid them and polyunsaturated oils. I stick to
>butter, coconut oil, olive oil, and beef fat. I don't eat more than
>half a cup of legumes, measured dry, per day. Cooking broccoli-cabbage
>vegetables reduces their effect on thyroid levels.
===========================

At last, someone who shares the experience. If the responses in this
thread is any indication our OP will face disbelief most of the time.
This disbelief includes himself and his doctor(s). Some of the really
helpful concepts I learned along the way:-

1. Self reporting. Only you can tell you don't feel well and where
it hurts. Look at yourself in the mirror. You don't look unwell.
People who look at you don't believe you are unwell. The doctor
thinks its all in your head. You believe you shouldn't feel the way
you do and feel angry at yourself. This contributes to stress and a
loss of control of your life. Only you can tell if some treatment
will improve your wellbeing and whether that improvement will persist.
None have so far thus your (OP's) current condition.

2. Non restorative sleep. You may sleep a lot or very little. Its
hard to fall asleep at the prescribed times (10 pm to midnight?). Its
hard to wake up once you fall asleep (late for work or class). Its
hard to concentrate and headaches are common. You nod off at
inappropiate times (at work or in class). The sleep debt is never
cleared. This is the most damaging consequence. If you suffer from
this I don't have to say more. If you don't it doesn't matter.

3. You believe your doctor is incompetent. Unfortunately there is no
treatment let alone a cure for CFS and related illnesses. CFS is
described by names other than CFS but its variations of the same
thing. You are unwelll but can't put your thumb on the cause. But it
doesn't progress to something worse and you know you won't die from
it. You won't get better either. You just get yoyo-ed between maybe
OK and just feeling lousy.

4. Not only are medications ineffective. Often they make things
worse. Its another chemical the body has to neutralize. (To the OP)
Try that food regimen. It doesn't cost you anything extra and it may
even save you some money. Its not an onerous punishing regimen. It
certainly saves me a lot of cooking time as I throw everything into
the pot and boil them semi-soft. A modification of Bill's diet. I
avoid shortening of any kind. Coconut oil and olive oil give me an
instant uncomfortable feeling and bloating. My fat intake comes from
whatever is in lean meat. One or twice a week I go to my favorite
noodle shop to get my MSG fix (grin). If I can't resist a delicious
dish at a restaurant that will bring on CFS I know it will clear
itself in two days or so. And I sleep very well. In case I miss some
essential vitamins I take the alphabet list of vitaminsf, just one RDA
dose of each, I don't care) once a week. I am not cured. There is
no cure. But I have a manageable life where I have some structure and
very little stress.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:47 pm
From: justin sane

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

> Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> doubts and go for the medical trials?
> Thanks again friends.
>

Paraxel

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:01 pm
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 4, 6:26 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> > None.
> > However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> > benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> > disability.
> > Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> > need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> > Martin <><
>
> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> doubts and go for the medical trials?
> Thanks again friends.

Well if it all goes pear-shaped you can apply for more benefits.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:23 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 5 Nov, 00:01, Michelle la Belle <aminotem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:26 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > > > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> > > None.
> > > However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> > > benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> > > disability.
> > > Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> > > need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> > > Martin <><
>
> > OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> > I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> > pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> > back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> > to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> > depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> > illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> > Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> > doubts and go for the medical trials?
> > Thanks again friends.
>
> Well if it all goes pear-shaped you can apply for more benefits.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What does 'Paraxel' mean?
LOL,michelle, you have a wicked sense of humour. Yup, if the drug
trials cause meill health,i can sue them for a million ponds and then
retire to some warm tropical island.
Michelle, you sound like a person with such a diabolically twisted
view on ife, that if I wasn't ill I'd like to have sex with you. Maybe
in a parallel universe somewhere we've already met and done the act.
If the pharmaceutical trial goes pear shaped,and I'm able to sue the
bastards for a lot of money,will you agree to meet me? I'll pay you
25,000 dollars just for sex!
But seriously,has anyone gone to one of these drugs trials? was it an
easy experience, or were you strapped to some kind of table and had
drugs injected into your veins?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:38 pm
From: justin sane

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> What does 'Paraxel' mean?

TGN1412 ;) Google will reveal all.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:44 pm
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 4, 7:23 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 5 Nov, 00:01, Michelle la Belle <aminotem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 4, 6:26 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > > > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > > > > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> > > > None.
> > > > However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> > > > benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> > > > disability.
> > > > Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> > > > need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> > > > Martin <><
>
> > > OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> > > I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> > > pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> > > back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> > > to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> > > depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> > > illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> > > Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> > > doubts and go for the medical trials?
> > > Thanks again friends.
>
> > Well if it all goes pear-shaped you can apply for more benefits.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What does 'Paraxel' mean?
> LOL,michelle, you have a wicked sense of humour. Yup, if the drug
> trials cause meill health,i can sue them for a million ponds and then
> retire to some warm tropical island.
> Michelle, you sound like a person with such a diabolically twisted
> view on ife, that if I wasn't ill I'd like to have sex with you. Maybe
> in a parallel universe somewhere we've already met and done the act.
> If the pharmaceutical trial goes pear shaped,and I'm able to sue the
> bastards for a lot of money,will you agree to meet me? I'll pay you
> 25,000 dollars just for sex!
> But seriously,has anyone gone to one of these drugs trials? was it an
> easy experience, or were you strapped to some kind of table and had
> drugs injected into your veins?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well that's a first. I consider myself to be quite sane and well-
balanced.
I'm suggesting to you that as you are in debt, you need to either/or/
both cut back on your expenses, get a job. What's crazy about that?
I trust you can tell my serious posts from the er, humorous ones.
And - I dont' know, $25 000 does sound like a lot of money, but I have
never had sex with someone just for money and I'm not sure that $25
000 would do it.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:55 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <1194218788.576185.281240@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

>On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> > purpleveggie wrote:
>> > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>>
>> > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>>
>> None.

If the blind person is a USA taxayer or personal tax form filer, then
there is an extra personal exemption from income (I believe about $3,000
IIRC at this time of year) for being blind.

If someone manages to be employed while blind, then it is also worth
looking into Earned Income Credit - this mostly but last time I checked
does not entirely restrict its benefits to those with dependent children
in their households. This IRS program has income tax being negative for
some ranges of lower income with income mainly salaries/wages/tips. As a
result, I would advise looking further as to determining if it would be
good to take any employment in any form that is made available to someone
blind, even so much as self-employment - for example, as a contractor to a
charity. (BEWARE - being a contractor makes the self-employed person a
proprietor of a business - for USA Federal tax must use Schedule C and
Schedule SE. There are "state" rules and maybe local business taxes, and
maybe need for a business license. Also learn what is deductible on what
taxes, such as cost of a business license, and what is allowed to be
copunted as a vehicle how, when, where for any special allowances for
vehicle expenses.)

>> However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
>> benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
>> disability.
>> Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
>> need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.

In the USA, there is a bit of a "welfare" through the Social Security
system known as SSI. That program is for people with disabilities that
greatly reduce their employability. It is sometimes known as "retirement
on disability". However, it won't get you any benefits from IRS by
working while over 65 or blind or both.

>> Martin <><
>
>OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
>I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
>pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
>back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
>to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
>depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
>illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
>Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
>doubts and go for the medical trials?
>Thanks again friends.

I do think that medical trials are good sources of income for those with
no other options. Given that working real jobs in today's frenzied
hypercompetitive world is a significant source of outright psychiatric
problems (especially "clinical depression"), I give low prospects of being
mentally screwed up much worse than more-stressed fulltime employees as a
result of going for medical trials.
I do suggest that those making money from medical trials ask those that
they are guinea pigs for what the "income class" is and for advice for tax
forms. Or find someone who knows what the USA Federal tax law is for such
activity. Further, I would seek advice as to whether this is "earned
income", and if there are choices that need to be made on tax forms to
have this counted as such, for Earned Income Credit purposes.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:32 pm
From: Raul Endymion

Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan braced for protests against emergency
rule on Monday, while President Pervez Musharraf faced mounting
pressure from the United States to hold parliamentary elections in
January.
ADVERTISEMENT

Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.

Police detained opposition figures and lawyers -- between 400 and 500
according to Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz -- and placed reporting curbs
on the media to stifle the risk of outrage spilling on to the streets.

Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
constitution.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed disappointment with
Musharraf in terms seldom heard before from U.S. officials more
accustomed to praising the Pakistani leader's support in the battle
against al Qaeda.

"The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.

Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
years.

Despite the detentions, a lawyers' movement that led the fight against
Musharraf when he tried to sack the country's top judge earlier this
year, was planning protests in front of courts in most major cities.

Lawyers, journalists, opposition politicians, and ordinary Pakistanis
said they believed Musharraf's main motive in declaring emergency rule
was to pre-empt the Supreme Court invalidating his re-election as
president last month.

"Many people in Pakistan believe that it has nothing to do with
stopping terrorism, and it has everything to do with stopping a court
verdict that was coming against him," former Prime Minister Benazir
Bhutto said on Sunday.

The Court had been due to reconvene on Monday to determine Musharraf's
right to have stood for re-election while still army chief. But
judges, including Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, have been sacked
and all proceedings cancelled this week.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:33 pm
From: Raul Endymion

Milenko Kindl

Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.

Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
constitution.

"The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.

Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
years.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:33 pm
From: Raul Endymion

Milenko Kindl

Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.

Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
constitution.

"The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.

Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
years.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:26 pm
From: mpm

On Nov 4, 7:33?pm, Raul Endymion <raul_hyper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Milenko Kindl
>
> ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan braced for protests against emergency
> rule on Monday, while President Pervez Musharraf faced mounting
> pressure from the United States to hold parliamentary elections in
> January.
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
> militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.
>
> Police detained opposition figures and lawyers -- between 400 and 500
> according to Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz -- and placed reporting curbs
> on the media to stifle the risk of outrage spilling on to the streets.
>
> Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
> constitution.
>
> U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed disappointment with
> Musharraf in terms seldom heard before from U.S. officials more
> accustomed to praising the Pakistani leader's support in the battle
> against al Qaeda.
>
> "The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
> said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
> warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.
>
> Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
> years.
>
> Despite the detentions, a lawyers' movement that led the fight against
> Musharraf when he tried to sack the country's top judge earlier this
> year, was planning protests in front of courts in most major cities.
>
> Lawyers, journalists, opposition politicians, and ordinary Pakistanis
> said they believed Musharraf's main motive in declaring emergency rule
> was to pre-empt the Supreme Court invalidating his re-election as
> president last month.
>
> "Many people in Pakistan believe that it has nothing to do with
> stopping terrorism, and it has everything to do with stopping a court
> verdict that was coming against him," former Prime Minister Benazir
> Bhutto said on Sunday.
>
> The Court had been due to reconvene on Monday to determine Musharraf's
> right to have stood for re-election while still army chief. But
> judges, including Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, have been sacked
> and all proceedings cancelled this week.

Milenko - who gives a shit.
Your posts mean NOTHING to the SED group, and I think I speak for the
rest of the group that we totally wish you would post your worthless
drivel shit elsewhere. We dont fucking care.

Got that??

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