Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Friday, November 30, 2007

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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TOPIC: What's the difference?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:26 pm
From: panamfloyd@hotmail.com

On Nov 30, 2:44 am, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> J Young wrote:
> > Can anyone tell what the difference is between being frugal and being cheap?
> > Not Webster's definition, just life in general.
>
> Being frugal is when you find ways to save money that would've been wasted
> anyway had you spent it.
>
> Being cheap is when you're bored, but instead of just spending a few bucks
> to go out and see a movie, you cross-post to misc.consumers.frugal-living
> and alt.atheism, hoping to start a flame war.
>
> - Logan

Sir, I would like to nominate your quote for the monthly alt.atheism
"Quote of the Month contest". However, we split them by theist/athiest
over here. Might I ask which you are? It's OK if you are a theist,
it'd be a nice change of pace for us. <g>

And of course, if you'd rather not say, I'll respect that.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
>>> J Young wrote

>>>> Can anyone tell what the difference is between being frugal and being cheap? Not Webster's definition, just life in
>>>> general.

>>> Frugal is deciding what you want (be it a Geo Metro all the way to a BMW) but getting it for the best value.

>> Its also about reducing what you want too.

> No, I disagree.

Doesnt change a thing. Its particularly obvious with cars
where there is nothing frugal about deciding you want top end
name brand stuff when all you need is reliable transport etc.

> If I shop I'm helping provide economic support to
> businesses and the employees who get to keep their jobs.

Irrelevant to what is FRUGAL. Yes, acting frugally has some
real downsides for the market, most obviously getting people
to buy good quality reliable products that will last a lifetime.
Thats not good for the market which benefits more from
crap that doesnt last very long and needs to be replaced.

> I subscribe to the Dolly Levy theory of helping the world.

Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
the difference is between frugal and cheap.

> It is not for anyone else to decide for me how I should spend my money

Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
the difference is between frugal and cheap.

> if it is mine to spend or save.

Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
the difference is between frugal and cheap.

> Of course I don't want to spend more than I need to on any item, but that doesn't mean I have to "go without"
> something because YOU feel I should.

I never ever said word about what someone else thinks you should do.

It is however being frugal to decide for yourself that you dont really need
some pose car when all you need is reliable and convenient transportation.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 2:01 pm
From: "231" <231@alok.com>

AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:474fa2a2$0$26032$b9f67a60@news.newsdemon.com...
>> Can anyone tell what the difference is between being frugal and being
>> cheap? Not Webster's definition, just life in general.
> let me give you an example:
>
> frugal is when you use a coupon and take your wife out to a
> reasonably nice restaurant for your anniversary. cheap is when you
> can afford to take her above restaurant and instead make her a pbj
> sandwich for dinner. now, if that pbj is really all you can afford,
> then that's not being cheap.
> cheap is also when you insist that she and the kids shop at a second
> hand store, even though you can afford better, while you head out and
> get an expensive suit.

> imo, cheap always involves someone else.

Nope, you are being cheap when you buy crap just because its the
cheapest available, and you end up spending more over the long haul
because it doesnt last as long as the more expensive better quality item.

> if you choose to shop/eat/etc way below your means, that doesn't make you cheap.

Your means is irrelevant to that frugal/cheap question.

> you can only be cheap when your refusal to spend legitimate money affects others negatively.

Mindlessly silly.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 2:08 pm
From: Goomba38

Rod Speed wrote:

>
> Doesnt change a thing. Its particularly obvious with cars
> where there is nothing frugal about deciding you want top end
> name brand stuff when all you need is reliable transport etc.
>
No, what YOU need is reliable transport. What I may want has nothing to
do with you. You keep insisting that everyone should feel the same way
as you do? That's where you lose me and any respect I have for your
"frugality". Cars obviously were used as an example, but I could have
said meat. You buy all the baloney you care for (its cheap, eh?) and
I'll enjoy some steak. It is not your place to decide what I choose to
spend my own money on, nor to tell me I only deserve x when I might
enjoy y more.

>> If I shop I'm helping provide economic support to
>> businesses and the employees who get to keep their jobs.
>
> Irrelevant to what is FRUGAL. Yes, acting frugally has some
> real downsides for the market, most obviously getting people
> to buy good quality reliable products that will last a lifetime.
> Thats not good for the market which benefits more from
> crap that doesnt last very long and needs to be replaced.
>
And likewise some products which do cost more last longer and provide
more enjoyment than the cheapest budget model of <fill in the blank
consumer item>.

>> I subscribe to the Dolly Levy theory of helping the world.
>
> Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
> the difference is between frugal and cheap.
>
>> It is not for anyone else to decide for me how I should spend my money
>
> Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
> the difference is between frugal and cheap.
>
>> if it is mine to spend or save.
>
> Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
> the difference is between frugal and cheap.
>
>> Of course I don't want to spend more than I need to on any item, but that doesn't mean I have to "go without"
>> something because YOU feel I should.
>
> I never ever said word about what someone else thinks you should do.
>
> It is however being frugal to decide for yourself that you dont really need
> some pose car when all you need is reliable and convenient transportation.

then again, someone else would say you don't need a car at all but
should walk everywhere. That doesn't make it a valid argument.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 4:27 pm
From: "Lou"

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:474fa2a2$0$26032$b9f67a60@news.newsdemon.com...
> Can anyone tell what the difference is between being frugal and being
cheap?
> Not Webster's definition, just life in general.
>

Frugal is when you try to get your money's worth, whether you're buying a
box of store-brand spaghetti, a luxury yacht, or anything in between.

Cheap is not paying your own way.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 5:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>> J Young wrote

>>>>>> Can anyone tell what the difference is between being frugal and being cheap? Not Webster's definition, just life
>>>>>> in general.

>>>>> Frugal is deciding what you want (be it a Geo Metro all the way to a BMW) but getting it for the best value.

>>>> Its also about reducing what you want too.

>>> No, I disagree.

>> Doesnt change a thing. Its particularly obvious with cars
>> where there is nothing frugal about deciding you want top end
>> name brand stuff when all you need is reliable transport etc.

> No, what YOU need is reliable transport.

I didnt say that. That was just an example of a particular car
purchase where *IF* thats what the purchaser needs, THEN it
isnt frugal to be buying a top end name brand car like a BMW.

> What I may want has nothing to do with you.

Never said you did, that was just and EXAMPLE.

> You keep insisting that everyone should feel the same way as you do?

Nope, thats just your CLAIM. I'm actually doing nothing of the sort.

> That's where you lose me and any respect I have for your "frugality".

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

In spades when you cant even manage to work out that
what is being discussed is what frugal and cheap are.

> Cars obviously were used as an example, but I could have said meat.

Just as true of meat.

> You buy all the baloney you care for (its cheap, eh?) and I'll enjoy some steak.

And its perfectly possible to be frugal when buying steak too.

> It is not your place to decide what I choose to spend my own money on,

No one is doing anything even remotely resembling anything like that.

> nor to tell me I only deserve x when I might enjoy y more.

Or that either.

What is being discussed is what is frugal and what is cheap.

Its perfectly possible to be both frugal and cheap when buying steak too.

>>> If I shop I'm helping provide economic support to
>>> businesses and the employees who get to keep their jobs.

>> Irrelevant to what is FRUGAL. Yes, acting frugally has some
>> real downsides for the market, most obviously getting people
>> to buy good quality reliable products that will last a lifetime.
>> Thats not good for the market which benefits more from
>> crap that doesnt last very long and needs to be replaced.

> And likewise some products which do cost more last longer and provide more enjoyment than the cheapest budget model of
> <fill in the blank consumer item>.

Irrelevant to that silly claim about supporting businesses and their employees.

>>> I subscribe to the Dolly Levy theory of helping the world.

>> Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
>> the difference is between frugal and cheap.

>>> It is not for anyone else to decide for me how I should spend my money

>> Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
>> the difference is between frugal and cheap.

>>> if it is mine to spend or save.

>> Irrelevant to what is being discussed, what
>> the difference is between frugal and cheap.

>>> Of course I don't want to spend more than I need to on any item, but that doesn't mean I have to "go without"
>>> something because YOU feel I should.

>> I never ever said word about what someone else thinks you should do.

>> It is however being frugal to decide for yourself that you dont
>> really need some pose car when all you need is reliable and
>> convenient transportation.

> then again, someone else would say you don't need a car at all but
> should walk everywhere. That doesn't make it a valid argument.

It does if you arent far from where you need to go and dont do that
often. Walking would indeed be the frugal thing to do if you are capable
of walking and dont need the car for other reasons like safety etc.

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TOPIC: Free English Prevent Diabetes Library Boxed Set
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Anyone Swapping Online?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f49be1e3f0b0ae9f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:37 pm
From: NYC BF WM couple

On Nov 18, 12:52 am, Phil <phil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you use Ebay or interested in swapping things online, this "Ebay-
> like" site lets you swap just about anything. And of course, it's
> free.
>
> http://www.swaptreasures.com
>
> Enjoy!

Oh .... I thought that it was the OTHER type of swapping.
There is a poll for the best site for the other type at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Interracialkinkyencounters/polls

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TOPIC: Crucial Criteria for choosing equipment.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ee8cb2f81c0d6b16?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:38 pm
From: "Michael Chare"

"johngood_____" <time.dream95@REMOOVEvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:RH_3j.103$jy3.24@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> >
> When it comes to buying a new flat screen television is there an
> insightful way to give priority to one or two criterion for choosing a new
> set from the massive and bewildering array of new models now on the
> market?
>

You could look for TVs that will show 1080i or 1080p in native format. i.e.
they have that may lines on the screen. There are one or two products on the
market that will do that now. I think that the smallest size 1080 screen
that you can get is about 37" at the moment.

--
Michael Chare

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

johngood_____ <time.dream95@REMOOVEvirgin.net> wrote:

> Recently I saw in a newsgroup topic about 'choosing' a new laptop computer, I saw that somebody cut through the
> endless, "thats a good make or that's not a good make" by what looked like to me as going to the heart of the matter.

But it wasnt in fact doing that.

> That is, by considering from their relevant web sites; what the
> 'specification' of specific computer chips of either of the two main makers, AMD or Intel, the laptop computer had
> inside it.

Thats a mindlessly superficial way of choosing a laptop.

The practical reality is that unless you plan to use your laptop rather
unusually, the specific chip used isnt the most important criterion.

> Then after that perhaps other criterion can be looked at like customer service, etc, etc.

That shouldnt be a perhaps, particularly if you arent very technically competant.

> When it comes to buying a new flat screen television is there an insightful way to give priority to one or two
> criterion for choosing a new set from the massive and bewildering array of new models now on the market?

Nope, tho you can claim that a particular technology may be the first
way to eliminate a large chunk of what is on offer in some cases,
like deciding that it really needs to be LCD and not plasma etc.

> I am a novice in this area, but I have heard that there a only a very
> few makers of the actual flat screens, who then go on to supply most
> of the famous brands. So might that be a crucial area to consider first?

The basic technology used, whether its LCD or plasma etc.

> Any information around this I would be grateful for. Also I've heard that the sound of the set is relatively
> uninportant, since it will be drastically improved by feeding the sound out through and audio amplifier?

Yes, but many dont want to bother doing that and need good sound without that.

> Grateful for any advice on the above and the few criteria you yourself would consider first.

I choose to stick with CRTs myself currently, mainly for the better viewing angle and
better brightness because I use it in a very bright room. Thats not what most need tho.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:46 pm
From: "super"

"David" <david.park@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>
> "super" <MR@spark.com> wrote in message
> news:13l0udroo1orl15@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>
>> Go to WHSmith and browse or buy some review mags.
>>
> Not too sure on that.
> When I bought my laptop it was £399 and all stores had that price on thier
> lowest one. But the mags. seemed to only mention laptops of £600/700 +, I
> think they written by people with pots of money.
>

I was really talking with respect to the TV monitor screens in the post.

Up until a week ago I thought Samsung equipment was good. I was about to buy
250 of their laptops for work, but a stunningly nightmarish support call to
them recently means I won't EVER purchase anything from them again. I used
to be impressed by them too.

Their Scottish helpdesk told me to get lost over a faulty monitor, even
though it was only 6 months old and displayed a vertical line with 4
different computers (2 new Vista, 2 oldish XP). Monitor had to go in bin, as
the user couldn't work with it.

Caveat Emptor.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 1:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

David <david.park@tesco.net> wrote
> super <MR@spark.com> wrote

>> Go to WHSmith and browse or buy some review mags.

> Not too sure on that.
> When I bought my laptop it was £399 and all stores had that price on thier lowest one. But the mags. seemed to only
> mention laptops of £600/700 +, I think they written by people with pots of money.

Or fools that have never been able to work out what is driving the market.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 2:33 pm
From: Peter Lynch

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:13:50 GMT, David wrote:
>
> "super" <MR@spark.com> wrote in message
> news:13l0udroo1orl15@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>
>> Go to WHSmith and browse or buy some review mags.
>>
> Not too sure on that.
> When I bought my laptop it was £399 and all stores had that price on ttheir
> lowest one. But the mags. seemed to only mention laptops of £600/700 +, I
> think they written by people with pots of money.

It's not the the reviewers have lots of money, it's that the publishers
want the advertisers to think the readers have lots of money[1]. If they
review bottom end stuff, they won't get the high end audience and therefore
can't charge the high advertising rates that an ABC1 audience commands.
Also, high-cost stuff has a larger profit margin and marketing budget,
so it's easier to get flashy stuff to review.

[1] quote from advertisers profile at http://tinyurl.com/28kt6k

"Readers are high earners,
with a large proportion of IT
purchasers reading for
business reasons"

--
..........................................................................
. never trust a man who, when left alone ...... Pete Lynch .
. in a room with a tea cosy ...... Marlow, England .
. doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) .....................................

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 4:15 pm
From: tony sayer

In article <i2%3j.28$ov2.5@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, David
<david.park@tesco.net> scribeth thus
>
>"super" <MR@spark.com> wrote in message
>news:13l0udroo1orl15@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>
>> Go to WHSmith and browse or buy some review mags.
>>
>Not too sure on that.
>When I bought my laptop it was £399 and all stores had that price on thier
>lowest one. But the mags. seemed to only mention laptops of £600/700 +, I
>think they written by people with pots of money.
>
>Regards
>David
>
>
Was going to buy a new laptop the other day but they've all got that
windoze vista pox on so a for the same price a couple of second-hand
dells were had with XPee, not quite such a pox and soon to be Linux'ed:)

Tv's?..

Dunno about that but I'm hanging onto our old B&O CRT set till they get
some decent hi def on the go!..
--
Tony Sayer

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 4:16 pm
From: tony sayer

In article <13l115osvnamed6@corp.supernews.com>, super <MR@spark.com>
scribeth thus
>
>"David" <david.park@tesco.net> wrote in message
>news:i2%3j.28$ov2.5@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "super" <MR@spark.com> wrote in message
>> news:13l0udroo1orl15@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>
>>> Go to WHSmith and browse or buy some review mags.
>>>
>> Not too sure on that.
>> When I bought my laptop it was £399 and all stores had that price on thier
>> lowest one. But the mags. seemed to only mention laptops of £600/700 +, I
>> think they written by people with pots of money.
>>
>
>I was really talking with respect to the TV monitor screens in the post.
>
>Up until a week ago I thought Samsung equipment was good. I was about to buy
>250 of their laptops for work, but a stunningly nightmarish support call to
>them recently means I won't EVER purchase anything from them again. I used
>to be impressed by them too.
>
>Their Scottish helpdesk told me to get lost over a faulty monitor, even
>though it was only 6 months old and displayed a vertical line with 4
>different computers (2 new Vista, 2 oldish XP). Monitor had to go in bin, as
>the user couldn't work with it.
>
>Caveat Emptor.
>
>

Same here sam can go and get sung!! not again!..

--
Tony Sayer

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 4:29 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

David wrote:
...
> I want a 22" w/s, most £300 or more.
> Staples have a Belinea at £129.99 I would welcome comments on this, is it as
> good as others in the lower price range.

It looks as good as the others from the specs. I found the UK Staples
webpage with the offer listed as £127.65, that's $262.48 in US Dollars.

Here on the other side of the world, Staples sells a similar monitor
for $270 and various websites sell them for as little as $220 ($232
with shipping) so it's not anything special in terms of price.

> I note the cheaper ones just feature the normal connectors, but more
> expensive one have a DVi as alternative. Is there anything to choose
> between these inputs on a monitor having both.

Digital connectors give a better picture but you need digital output
on your computer to make it work. VGA is good enough if you've got
good cables and don't use a KVM switch.

Anthony

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 4:34 pm
From: "Dave Wade"

"johngood_____" <time.dream95@REMOOVEvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:RH_3j.103$jy3.24@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> Recently I saw in a newsgroup topic about 'choosing' a new laptop
> computer, I saw that somebody cut through the endless, "thats a good make
> or that's not a good make" by what looked like to me as going to the
> heart of the matter.
>
> That is, by considering from their relevant web sites; what the
> 'specification' of specific computer chips of either of the two main
> makers, AMD or Intel, the laptop computer had inside it. Then after that
> perhaps other criterion can be looked at like customer service, etc, etc.
>

you can't choose a laptop from a web site. You need to get it on your lap,
and give it a good fondle....

> When it comes to buying a new flat screen television is there an
> insightful way to give priority to one or two criterion for choosing a new
> set from the massive and bewildering array of new models now on the
> market?
>

> I am a novice in this area, but I have heard that there a only a very few
> makers of the actual flat screens, who then go on to supply most of the
> famous brands. So might that be a crucial area to consider first?
>

Only if some panels were better than otehrs. I don't think thats the case

> Any information around this I would be grateful for. Also I've heard that
> the sound of the set is relatively uninportant, since it will be
> drastically improved by feeding the sound out through and audio
> amplifier?

Putting sound that is contaminated with digital artifacts, hum, or noise
through an ampifier may lift the level of the contamination and make things
sound worse

> Grateful for any advice on the above and the few criteria you yourself
> would consider first. Thanks

visit a few shops, look choose

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 5:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave Wade <g8mqw@yahoo.com> wrote
> johngood_____ <time.dream95@REMOOVEvirgin.net> wrote

>> Recently I saw in a newsgroup topic about 'choosing' a new laptop
>> computer, I saw that somebody cut through the endless, "thats a good
>> make or that's not a good make" by what looked like to me as going
>> to the heart of the matter.

>> That is, by considering from their relevant web sites; what the
>> 'specification' of specific computer chips of either of the two main
>> makers, AMD or Intel, the laptop computer had inside it. Then after
>> that perhaps other criterion can be looked at like customer service,
>> etc, etc.

> you can't choose a laptop from a web site.

Corse you can.

> You need to get it on your lap, and give it a good fondle....

Nope, not if almost all of them suit you fine.

>> When it comes to buying a new flat screen television is there an
>> insightful way to give priority to one or two criterion for choosing
>> a new set from the massive and bewildering array of new models now
>> on the market?

> NO

>> I am a novice in this area, but I have heard that there a only a
>> very few makers of the actual flat screens, who then go on to supply
>> most of the famous brands. So might that be a crucial area to
>> consider first?

> Only if some panels were better than otehrs. I don't think thats the case

>> Any information around this I would be grateful for. Also I've
>> heard that the sound of the set is relatively uninportant, since it
>> will be drastically improved by feeding the sound out through and
>> audio amplifier?

> Putting sound that is contaminated with digital artifacts, hum, or
> noise through an ampifier may lift the level of the contamination and
> make things sound worse

>> Grateful for any advice on the above and the few criteria you
>> yourself would consider first. Thanks

> visit a few shops, look choose

Dinosaur stuff.

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 5:28 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

johngood_____ wrote:
> When it comes to buying a new flat screen television is there an insightful
> way to give priority to one or two criterion for choosing a new set from the
> massive and bewildering array of new models now on the market?
...
> Any information around this I would be grateful for. Also I've heard that
> the sound of the set is relatively uninportant, since it will be drastically
> improved by feeding the sound out through and audio amplifier?

It's difficult to put good speakers in the small space available on a
flat panel TV. Affordable home theater sound systems are out there and
even the worst will sound better than what comes with the TV.

The criterion for choosing your TV set should be based on what you want.

First is size. How big do you want? The bigger, the more expensive.

Next is technology. You're basically looking at LCD and Plasma for a
flat panel TV. LCD tends to have slightly less color range but is
lighter and the backlighting is potentially replaceable. Plasma has
slightly better color rendition and contrast ratio but suffers from
image burn and the tube, which is too expensive to replace, has a
more limited life.

The differences between LCD and Plasma these days are probably small
enough that you wouldn't notice them and you would have to leave the
TV on 24/7 for the lifespan to be of any major importance.

Look for numbers on angle of view, brightness and contrast ratio.
High numbers are better. A typical LCD TV will have an angle of view
of some 150 degree, 300 nits (candela per square meter) brightness
and a contrast ratio more than 500:1.

Then there is the resolution. If you want to watch HDTV or the newer
HD or Blue-ray DVDs then you'll probably want 1080 native. That's
1920 x 1080 on the screen itself.

If you don't think you'll get into the whole HD thing then figure out
how much resolution you need. Go to some stores and look at their
screens to see what looks good to you.

In my opinion, 800x600 is the minimum acceptable for a TV larger than
13 inches. You may see some 20" LCD TVs with 640x480 but they look
really terrible. 1280x720 is the HDTV 720p standard which is probably
OK up to maybe 30".

From there you get into the nitty gritty like tuners, inputs, outputs
and the like. Determine what you need and ignore whatever else they
include. Extra features you don't need shouldn't count in your buying
decision because it's silly to pay extra for something you don't want.

Beware of advertiser-speak. You'll see things like "HDTV Ready" when
they mean "Does not include an HDTV tuner" or "1080p Compatible" when
they mean "It displays less than 1080p". There is a lot of this kind
of almost-false advertising going on.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 2:30 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 3:43 pm
From: krw

In article <726600a4-9c67-474e-a601-94f3d6bd58e0
@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, gwehrenb@bellsouth.net says...
> On Nov 26, 11:21 am, je...@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) wrote:
>
> > I no longer have any coins in the car's coin tray
> > since nearly all toll roads in NY/NJ/CT/PA/MD/VA
> > take E-Z Pass, but I use coins (particularly dollar coins)
> > when buying train tickets from the vending machines
> > and I need quarters for the laundromat.
>
> We keep about 15 dollars in silver in the car for parking meters in
> cities we're visiting, laundry while on trips, and the occasional
> toll my EZpass doesn't handle.
>
Better make sure it's not in sight. Windows cost a *lot* more than
$15, particularly the side ones.
>

--
Keith

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TOPIC: Only 30k miles from tires?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 7:13 pm
From: Gordon

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:zJCdnU5aE9h0os3anZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Gordon wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote in news:3eptk3p0k2o6a5uk0s1q7k04r4edkf3lla@
4ax.com:
>>
>>> Seems like my 2000 Mazda Protege ES just goes through
>>> tires!
>>>
>>> I just bought 4 new tires July 2006 and 30k miles later
>>> (now) they are almost worn out.
>>>
>>> Is 30k mile abt right for tire life now days?
>>>
>>> What you get?
>>
>> What was the rated life of the tire?? 30K may be what
>> they were rated for.
>>
>> Had the alignment checked recently?
>>
>> Also check the wear pattern. Over or under inflated tires
>> will wear out faster.
>>
>> A trick to extending tire life on a front wheel drive car
>> is to not rotate the tires. On a front wheel drive car
>> the front tires take most of the wear. Go ahead and let
>> them wear. Then replace them. But keep the rear tires.
>
> I don't understand the trick. I think there will be little actual
> difference in "tire consumption" compared to rotation.
>

Because the front tires take most of the braking and acceleration.
it isn't just rotation that wears out tires. On a front wheel drive
car the front tires work very hard.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 7:17 pm
From: Gordon

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in news:474fc05e$0$8678
$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Gordon wrote:
>> A trick to extending tire life on a front wheel drive car
>> is to not rotate the tires. On a front wheel drive car
>> the front tires take most of the wear. Go ahead and let
>> them wear. Then replace them. But keep the rear tires.
>

> Also, the point of rotating tires is not just to make sure
> one tire gets as much wear as another tire; it's also to
> make sure that the entire surface of each tire gets worn
> as evenly as possible. Tires on the front may get more wear
> in one spot than tires on the back, and tires on the back
> may get more wear in some other spot than tires on the front.
> Rotating the tires ensures that each tire experiences a
> variety of wear patterns and hopefully wears more evenly.
>
> - Logan

If your tires are wearing that differently it's time for
an alignment. I only see major differences in wear when there
is an aignment problem

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 8:41 pm
From: The Real Bev

imascot wrote:

> I'm not sure which machines you're interested in, nor what you have
> already tried,

We belonged to a gym that shut down just after we signed up, but we got a
couple of months' use out of it. We used pretty much all the machines, the
hot tub, the steam room and the pool. And then I went back to work...

> but we bought a Weider 2 station/one weight stack home gym
> from Sears 7 years ago for $300. We also got a few addons, like 5lb and
> 2.5lb weights to fine-tune the stack, a tricep rope, and we use free
> weights as well. We variously bought these from Ebay, online sites and a
> local fitness shop. The Weider was short enough to fit in our
> basement--some of the expensive ones are tall. It's been a good
> investment, no excuses like bad weather to prevent us from working out,
> and never a line. These machines are usually available used, I see a lot
> of them on Craigslist. We also have a stepper and a dip station. Of
> course, if you don't have room, this won't work.

Under certain conditions people will actually pay you to carry them away.
We were getting rid of a lot of those cheesy plastic-covered concrete
weights -- I put them out by the curb and a guy came by within an hour and
filled his trunk. Space IS the problem, though. Really. I have to move
stuff away to use my mouse :-)

--
Cheers,
Bev
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 8:47 pm
From: The Real Bev

timeOday wrote:

> 3) Replace all the ruined food. (I was going to eat all those frozen
> leftovers any day now, honest).

Handy hint: if your freezer or refrigerator dies, ask your local
supermarket if you can store your stuff in their facilities until the new
one is delivered. Friends did it.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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