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Tuesday, December 25, 2007

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TOPIC: WHAT IS ISLAM?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 8:02 pm
From: bander

WHAT IS ISLAM?

Can we find an explanation of the great universe? Is there any
convincing interpretation of the secret of existence? We realize that
no family can function properly without a responsible head, that no
city can prosperously exist without sound administration, and that no
state can survive without a leader of some kind. We also realize that
nothing comes into being on its own. Moreover, we observe that the
universe exists and functions in the most orderly manner, and that it
has survived for hundreds of thousand of years. Can we then say that
all this is accidental and haphazard? Can we attribute the existence
of man and the whole world to mere chance.

Man represents only a very small portion of the great universe. And if
he can make plans and appreciate the merits of planning, then his own
existence and the survival of the universe must also be a planned
policy. This means that there is an extraordinary power to bring
things into being and keep them moving in order.

In the world then must be a great force in action to keep everything
in order. In the beautiful nature there must be a Great creator who
creates the most charming pieces of art produces every thing for a
special purpose in life. The deeply enlightened people recognize this
creator and call him Allah "God". He is not a man because no man can
create or make another man. He is not an animal, nor he is a plant. He
is neither an Idol nor is He a statue of any kind because non of these
things can make itself or create anything else. He is different from
all these things because he is the maker and keeper of them all. The
maker of anything must be different from and greater than things which
he makes.

There are various ways to know God "ALLAH'' and there are many things
to tell about him. The great wonders and impressive marvels of the
world are like open books in which we can read about God. Besides, God
Himself comes to our aid through the many Messengers and revelations
He has sent down to man. These Messengers and revelations tell us
everything we need to know about God.

The complete acceptance of the teachings and guidance of God 'Allah'
as revealed to His Messengers Muhammad is the religion of Islam. Islam
enjoins faith in the oneness and sovereignty of Allah, which makes man
aware of meaningfulness of the Universe and of his place in it. This
belief frees him from all fears and superstitions by making him
conscious of the presence of the Almighty Allah and of man's
obligations towards Him. This faith must be expressed and tested in
actions, faith alone is not enough. Belief in one God requires that we
look upon all humanity as one family under the universal Omnipotence
of God the Creator and Nourisher of all. Islam rejects the idea of
chosen people, making belief in God and good actions the only way to
heaven. Thus, a direct relationship in established with God, without
any intercessor.

Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and
guidance which Allah revealed to all Prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham,
Ismael, David, Moses and Jesus (PBUT). But the message which was
revealed to Prophet Mohammed (PBUT) is Islam in its comprehensive,
complete and final form.

The Quran is the last revealed word of Allah and the basic source of
Islamic teachings and laws. The Quran deals with the basis of creeds,
morality, history of humanity, worship, knowledge, wisdom, God-man
relationship, and human relationship in all aspects. Comprehensive
teaching on which, can be built sound systems of social justice,
economics, politics, legislation, jurisprudence, law and international
relations, are important contents of the Quran. Hadith, the teachings,
sayings and actions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUT), meticulously reported
and collected by his devoted companions. Explained and elaborated the
Quranic verses.

THE FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF FAITH IN ISLAM

The true faithful Muslim believes in the following Principal articles
of faith:-

He believes in One God 'Allah', Supreme and Eternal, Infinite and
Mighty, Merciful and Compassionate, Creator and Provider.
He believes in all Messengers of God without any discrimination among
them. Every known nation had a warner or Messenger from God. They were
chosen by God to teach mankind and deliver His divine message. The
Quran mentions the name of twenty five of them. Among them Mohammad
stands as the last Messenger and the crowning glory of the foundation
of Prophethood.
Muslin believes in all scriptures and revelations of God. They were
the guiding light which the Messengers received to show their
respected peoples the Right Path of God. In the Quran a special
reference is made to the books of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. But
long before the revelations has been lost or corrupted. The only
authentic and complete book of God in existence in the Quran.
The true Muslim believes in the Angels of Allah. They are purely
spiritual and splendid beings whose nature requires on food, drink or
sleep. They spend their days and nights in the worship of God.
Muslim believes in the last Day of Judgement. This world will come to
an end someday, and the dead will rise to stand for their final and
fair trial. People with good records will be generously, rewarded and
warmly welcomed to the Heaven of Allah, and those with bad records
will be punished and cast into Hell.
Muslim believes in the timeless knowledge of God and His power to plan
and execute His planes and nothing could happen in His Kingdom against
His will. His knowledge and power are in action at all times and
command over His creation. He is wise and merciful, and whatever He
does must have a meaningful purpose. If this is established in our
mind and hearts, we should accept with good faith all that He does,
although we may fail to under stand it fully, or think it is bad.
THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM

Faith without actions arid practice is a dead end, as far as Islam is
concerned. Faith by nature is very sensitive and can be most
effective. When it is not out of practice or out of use, it quickly
loses its liveliness and motivation power.

There are five pillars of Islam:

The declaration of faith: To bear witness that there is none worthy of
worship except Allah, and that Mohammad (PBUH) is His Messenger to all
human beings till the Day of Judgment. The Prophethood of Mohammad
obliges the Muslims to follow, His exemplary life as a model.
Prayers: Daily, prayers are offered five times a day as a duty towards
Allah. They strengthen and enliven the belief in Allah and inspire man
to a higher morality. They purify the heart and prevent temptation
towards wrong - doings and evil.
Fasting the month of Ramadan. The Muslims during the month of Ramadan
not only abstain from food, drink and sexual intercourse from dawn to
sunset but also sincerity and devotion. It develops a sound social
conscience, patience, unselfishness and will - Power.
Zakkah: The literal and simple meaning of Zakkah is purity. The
technical meaning of this word designates the annual amount in kind or
coin which a Muslim with means must distribute among the rightful
beneficiaries. But the religious and spiritual significance of Zakkah
is much deeper and more lively. So it has humanitarian and
sociopolitical values.
Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah): It is to be performed once in a lifetime,
if one can afford it financially and physically.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 8:12 pm
From: cheapestsell

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TOPIC: AMT ??
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 8:21 pm
From: ""

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:12:27 -0500, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote:
>>What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>>
>>If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
>>then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>>
>><rj>
>obviously you are an ignoramus
>
> the AMT was implemented back in the 60s to nail the super rich who
>by various means avoided much of the taxes.
> back when the AMT was implemented the tax rate on these people was
>about 90%, so who could blame them for seeking loopholes,
>anyway the AMT was never indexed for inflation and now that many
>families are earning over 6 figures they are getting caught up by the
>AMT which limits most deductions and causes these families to pay even
>higher taxes.
>
The AMT intent is;
"You pay a percentage of your income,
regardless of your deductions."

I see nothing unfair about that.

The average ( minimum wage ) McDonalds employee
doesn't have the advantage of tax shelters.

He probably pays a higher percentage of his income in ( federal ) taxes
than Donald Trump............... Now that's unfair !

<rj>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 8:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

<RJ> <RJ> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:12:27 -0500, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote:
>>> What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>>>
>>> If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
>>> then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>>>
>>> <rj>
>> obviously you are an ignoramus
>>
>> the AMT was implemented back in the 60s to nail the super rich who
>> by various means avoided much of the taxes.
>> back when the AMT was implemented the tax rate on these people was
>> about 90%, so who could blame them for seeking loopholes,
>> anyway the AMT was never indexed for inflation and now that many
>> families are earning over 6 figures they are getting caught up by the
>> AMT which limits most deductions and causes these families to pay
>> even higher taxes.

> The AMT intent is;
> "You pay a percentage of your income, regardless of your deductions."

ONLY for those that end up paying more under AMT than they would otherwise pay.

> I see nothing unfair about that.

Its a regressive taxation system and has a number of other disadvantages,
particularly for those who do have significant deductions in just some years.

They esssentially get slugged much more in those years than they would otherwise be.

> The average ( minimum wage ) McDonalds employee
> doesn't have the advantage of tax shelters.

He does however have the advantage of a number of deductions.

> He probably pays a higher percentage of his income in ( federal )
> taxes than Donald Trump............... Now that's unfair !

Nope, because it aint the percentage that matters.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 9:13 pm
From: jdoe

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:21:08 -0700, "<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:12:27 -0500, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote:
>>>What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>>>
>>>If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
>>>then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>>>
>>><rj>
>>obviously you are an ignoramus
>>
>> the AMT was implemented back in the 60s to nail the super rich who
>>by various means avoided much of the taxes.
>> back when the AMT was implemented the tax rate on these people was
>>about 90%, so who could blame them for seeking loopholes,
>>anyway the AMT was never indexed for inflation and now that many
>>families are earning over 6 figures they are getting caught up by the
>>AMT which limits most deductions and causes these families to pay even
>>higher taxes.
>>
>The AMT intent is;
>"You pay a percentage of your income,
>regardless of your deductions."
>
>I see nothing unfair about that.
>
>The average ( minimum wage ) McDonalds employee
>doesn't have the advantage of tax shelters.
>
>He probably pays a higher percentage of his income in ( federal ) taxes
>than Donald Trump............... Now that's unfair !
>
><rj>
what part of who pays the majority of taxes are you missing?
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 10:14 pm
From: Tony Sivori

jdoe wrote:
> I don't understand the losers like you who don't realize that the top
> 10% of earners in the US pay about 95% of the taxes.

Not true. The top 10% pay 70% of the federal income tax.

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Wait, Rush Limbaugh, that tireless defender of the rich and powerful, says
that the top 10% pays 64% of all federal taxes.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html

If the above link breaks in your news reader:

http://tinyurl.com/4sgd

The top 10% also owns 71% of all the wealth.

See: "Figure 1: Net worth and financial wealth distribution in the U.S. in
2001"

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

--
Tony Sivori

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TOPIC: Yet another Best Buy consumer horror story -- woman tasered by cop.
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Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 8:47 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

max wrote:
...
> "if you lose you temper and raise your voice, you deserve to be tasered"

More like... If you lose your temper, raise your voice, cause a public
disturbance and then act very agitated in front of the cop that is
called to deal with you and refuse to stop when that cop repeatedly
tells you to... you deserve to be tasered.

I can see this as a punchline similar to "You know you're a redneck..."
"When you ____, you deserve to be tasered."

Anthony

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TOPIC: Don't buy a dead X-mas tree
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 8:48 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

<RJ> wrote:
> FAMINE !!
> Nature's way of dealing with overpopulation......

Here I thought all along that it was War, Pestilence and Death.
Oddly enough, wealth and education are the best ways to reduce
population.

Anthony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 9:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote
> <RJ> wrote

>> FAMINE !!
>> Nature's way of dealing with overpopulation......

Not anymore, the world's moved on, again.

> Here I thought all along that it was War, Pestilence and Death.

> Oddly enough, wealth and education are the best ways to reduce population.

Nope, both working is in the modern first world.

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TOPIC: Buying a house with parents
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 9:21 pm
From: Charles Quinn

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in news:srhi-6E9E70.08155323122007
@newsgroups.comcast.net:

>
> My folks are dead set against my idea because of high crime in the area
> I am considering. My parents made me an offer that's tough to refuse.
My
> dad's 81. My mom's 69. I am 46. They want to essentially put down what
> would contribute a large down payment toward of the cost of a house,
put
> it in my name, and we would share it. I would make the mortgage
> payments. We would share utilities.
>
> My parents offered to sell their modest row house and use it and a
large
> investment that comes due in 2008 for this purpose. My job is good and
> my FICO score is high, so making the mortgage payments is not a problem
> for a house my folks and I would want in the area my parents have in
> mind.

Your scheme above would be INCOME to you in the eyes of the IRS. They
gave you a huge gift. The mortgage lender would want to know more about
this gift. I would recommend that you all be put on the deed to the house
with proper survivorship you will inherit the house with no tax
implication. Please consult with a real estate attorney before you make
a mistake that would make you liable for a large income tax event.

Charles
The significant problems we face cannot be solved
at the same level of thinking we were at when we
created them. Albert Einstein

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TOPIC: More Selective reporting from Limbaugh
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Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 9:44 pm
From: Snowbound

In article <atp0n3h99l65mqg30r3vnomhl4mv3q8oai@4ax.com>,
Steve <hgd@wsx.inv> wrote:

> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
<snip>
> > Are you aware that both the Times and Judith Miller supported invading
> >Iraq?
>
> And your point is?

The point is, if the "media" doesn't fearlessly do everything it
possibly can to reveal to us the hypocrisy of our leaders and our power
brokers; to magnify their weaknesses, to uncover and undermine their
deceits, and in short, to shine highly critical light upon every one of
them from every possible perspective, then the media are not the fourth
estate. They are simply the mouthpiece of the government. Period.

Without exception, every time the media praises anything, it is not
doing its job, which is to keep the public informed. It is merely
advertising.

That is the point. It is the point of freedom of the press. Freedom of
the press does not exist so that Fox News or the NYT can lie to succor
their respective partisan mobs.

If George W. Bush has done anything right (albeit certainly not by
intent), it has been to starkly reveal what cowards and brown-nosed
parasites control the "MSM" in the United States today. The U.S. media
has fed public fears for so long, it has begun to believe its own
stupid, poorly-written horror stories. What the media *really* fear is
loss of access, loss of revenue, and loss of market share. In that
order. So, we get "happy news", "scary news", and "entertaining news"
regardless of what is really happening. Americans do not get news of any
particular long-term or historical significance anymore because they
don't want it. All they get is entertainment and its ever-present
attendant: deluded ignorance sufficient to think they are getting real
news.

During the OJ trial, I wrote to a reporter at a major newspaper that all
the round-the-clock coverage made the media look like a bunch of
vampires. Unbelievably, he responded that the right of the people to
bathe daily in Nicole Simpson's and Ron Goldman's blood was inviolable.
I now think the word "parasite" is more appropriate since "vampire"
implies a once intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.

All of us would get consistently better and more accurate news about our
own nation by monitoring Al Jazeerah reports than from any of the
so-called "news" outlets available in the U.S.

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TOPIC: Biofuel hoax is the cause of recent food inflation and new biofuel bill
will skyrocket food prices higher!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 9:47 pm
From: "calderhome@yahoo.com"

On Dec 24, 3:20 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

***allot of fluff***

You are correct, Brazil burns scap to heat the fermenters. I was
talking about the fermentation process itself.

Brazil is chopping down its rain forests at an alarming rate, as are
almost all the other tropical countries that have rain forests.
Brazil is currently chopping down forests to grow biofuels of several
kinds, including biodiesel. Of course the bulk is currently produced
on older cleared land parcels, but new biofuel farms are being created
every day on newly cleared land as well.

Yes, the oceans are the main sponge for C02 absorption, but the rain
forests are a major sponge as well. The oceans are losing their
ability to absorb CO2 as they become more acidic and filled to the
brim with C02.

There is no food crisis in your mind because you have enough food to
feed yourself. If you lived in Africa or India or a poor neighborhood
in the USA, you might be a little more thoughtful about sky high food
prices. Just last year you could buy chicken thighs for 50 cents a
pound in 10 pound bags. Now the cheapest discount consumer price is
about 99 cents a pound in 10 pound bags. That is a huge increase in
one year, and milk and beef have also risen spectacularly. Wheat just
hit a record high, and baked good prices are in double digit
inflation. People are starving and going hungry, but you glibly claim
there is no crisis because you have enough food to feed your own
belly.

You seem to make your arguments by distorting what I have said, and
reading into what I say ideas that I never intended. You also are not
up on the projections of what is going to happen to the Midwest as
temperatures climb. It is a disaster headed our way.

Two new paragraphs have been added to "The biofuel hoax is causing a
world food crisis!", explaining how a nuclear based, hydrogen fuel
economy will make the USA both richer and safer. The more you
carefully consider nuclear-hydrogen technology, the more positive
benefits you will find. The more you consider biofuel production, the
more devastating the prospects become. It is a choice between sanity
and insanity, and our politicians have unfortunately chosen the
politically expedient, shortsighted insane course of action.

at:

http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

"The economic benefits of a nuclear based, hydrogen fueled
economy are spectacular. The United States balance of trade deficit
and Federal budget deficit will be greatly reduced by a nuclear
powered economy. All of the nuclear reactors will be built and run by
Americans in America, who will make high wages and pay taxes to
Federal, state, and local governments, and spend their income at local
American stores. As the USA currently imports 60% of its oil supply,
all of the dollars we now ship off to Canada (18%), Mexico (15%),
Saudi Arabia (12%), Nigeria (12%), Venezuela (10%), and Angola (6%)
will stay right here in the USA. In the year 2007, the USA is
estimated to have imported a total of about 3.8 billion barrels of
crude oil, in addition to a tremendous amount of natural gas and other
hydrocarbon products which can largely be replaced by nuclear power.
At $93. a barrel (12/24/07 price), 3.8 billion barrels of crude oil is
worth over 353. billion dollars. The current Iraq war, which was
fought both for the State of Israel and for oil, will cost United
States taxpayers over 2,000. billion dollars (2 trillion dollars) by
the time all of the long term war costs are paid. Obviously, a
nuclear based hydrogen economy will make the United States richer in
addition to saving us from desertification of our heartland, coastal
flooding, increased storm damage, and starvation caused by the deadly
combination of global warming and the biofuel hoax.

Hydrogen fuel produced from nuclear generation will be expensive
at first, but the price will decline over time as the infrastructure
grows and economies of scale lower production costs. Hydrogen fuel
manufacture and distribution techniques will become more efficient,
and electric car battery technology will also improve, allowing
Americans to drive our highways without guilt that they are burning up
precious natural resources or polluting the environment. Cars will
pass by leaving behind only a small amount of water vapor if hydrogen
powered, or just a near silent wind if electric battery powered.
Hybrid vehicles that run on both batteries and hydrogen fuel will be
common. The nuclear based hydrogen economy is a long term investment
in America's future that will pay more benefits every year as opposed
to the biofuel hoax, which will lead to destruction of our
environment, our economy, and our nation."

Merry Christmas, Christopher Calder
http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 11:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

calderhome@yahoo.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

> ***allot of fluff***

Yours wasnt even that.

> You are correct, Brazil burns scap to heat the fermenters.

Wrong again. The heat is used for the DISTILLATION, not the fermenting.

> I was talking about the fermentation process itself.

And he was talking about the entire process. You cant
ignore the distillation process thats essential to produce
the ethanol in a form that its usable as a transport fuel.

> Brazil is chopping down its rain forests at an alarming rate, as
> are almost all the other tropical countries that have rain forests.

Pity they aint doing that to produce sugar cane for ethanol production.

> Brazil is currently chopping down forests to grow
> biofuels of several kinds, including biodiesel.

Nope, what is chopped down isnt primarily used to grow biofuels.

> Of course the bulk is currently produced on older cleared land parcels,

Yep, so your original mindless rant got it completely wrong, like I said.

> but new biofuel farms are being created
> every day on newly cleared land as well.

In fact fuck all of the newly cleared land is used for growing biofuels.

> Yes, the oceans are the main sponge for C02 absorption,
> but the rain forests are a major sponge as well.

Nope, a relatively minor one, actually.

The main problem with forest clearing is the RELEASE
of CO2 that that involves with the burning of those forests.

> The oceans are losing their ability to absorb CO2 as they become more acidic

Pig ignorant drivel.

> and filled to the brim with C02.

More pig ignorant drivel.

> There is no food crisis in your mind because
> you have enough food to feed yourself.

Nope, because I have noticed that we just dont get the famines we used
to see in my lifetime except when the country has degenerated into civil
chaos and civil war anymore now. Nothing to do with biofuels at all.

> If you lived in Africa or India or a poor neighborhood in the USA,
> you might be a little more thoughtful about sky high food prices.

No such animal. The modern reality is that food prices are the lowest
they have ever been, essentially because of modern industrialised farming
in the first world on a huge scale that has replaced subsistence farming.

> Just last year you could buy chicken thighs for 50 cents a pound
> in 10 pound bags. Now the cheapest discount consumer price is
> about 99 cents a pound in 10 pound bags.

Pity that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the vast bulk of the world eats.

And even in the US, the problem is that most shovel MANY more calories
into their mouths than they burn, and thats why they are so obscenely obese.

> That is a huge increase in one year,

And wont keep happening like that. And that is nothing like a WORLD FOOD CRISIS anyway.

> and milk and beef have also risen spectacularly.

Another bare faced lie.

> Wheat just hit a record high,

Just because of drought where much of the world's wheat is grown.

> and baked good prices are in double digit inflation.

Still nothing even remotely resembling anything like a WORLD FOOD CRISIS.

> People are starving and going hungry,

Only where the country has decended into civil chaos and civil war.

Nothing to with biofuels at all.

> but you glibly claim there is no crisis because
> you have enough food to feed your own belly.

Nope, because I have been watching the elimination of famine
world wide due to weather since before you were even born thanks.

> You seem to make your arguments by distorting what I have said,

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to.

> and reading into what I say ideas that I never intended.

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> You also are not up on the projections of what is going
> to happen to the Midwest as temperatures climb.

You're lying when you imply that there is general agreement
amoungst the scientific community that deserts are inevitable there.

> It is a disaster headed our way.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed hysterical fantasyland.

> Two new paragraphs have been added to
> "The biofuel hoax is causing a world food crisis!",

Repeating that bare faced lie changes absolutely nothing.

> explaining how a nuclear based, hydrogen fuel
> economy will make the USA both richer and safer.

No news to me, child. You might just find that I have
been saying that since before you were even born too.

> The more you carefully consider nuclear-hydrogen
> technology, the more positive benefits you will find.

Nope, you might just find I have been rubbing people's
noses in that since before you were even born too.

> The more you consider biofuel production,
> the more devastating the prospects become.

Only if you are just another mindless pig ignorant hysteric.

> It is a choice between sanity and insanity,

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed hysterical fantasyland.

> and our politicians have unfortunately chosen the
> politically expedient, shortsighted insane course of action.

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> at:

http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

> "The economic benefits of a nuclear based,
> hydrogen fueled economy are spectacular.

Nope, just useful.

There might just be a reason why not one country on
earth has changed over to hydrogen as a transport fuel.

> The United States balance of trade deficit and Federal budget
> deficit will be greatly reduced by a nuclear powered economy.

Pity about the economic problems with doing that in the transport sector.

> All of the nuclear reactors will be built and run by Americans in America,

You dont know that either.

> who will make high wages and pay taxes
> to Federal, state, and local governments,

The transport industry already does that.

> and spend their income at local American stores.

Which will continue to sell mostly imported capital goods.

> As the USA currently imports 60% of its oil supply, all of
> the dollars we now ship off to Canada (18%), Mexico (15%),
> Saudi Arabia (12%), Nigeria (12%), Venezuela (10%), and
> Angola (6%) will stay right here in the USA.

Nope, because no nuke industry can completely replace all of that.

> In the year 2007, the USA is estimated to have imported
> a total of about 3.8 billion barrels of crude oil, in addition
> to a tremendous amount of natural gas and other hydrocarbon
> products which can largely be replaced by nuclear power.

At one hell of a cost.

> At $93. a barrel (12/24/07 price), 3.8 billion barrels of crude oil
> is worth over 353. billion dollars. The current Iraq war, which
> was fought both for the State of Israel and for oil, will cost United
> States taxpayers over 2,000. billion dollars (2 trillion dollars) by
> the time all of the long term war costs are paid.

That money will be pissed against the wall
regardless of what is done with nukes in the future.

> Obviously, a nuclear based hydrogen economy will make the United States richer

How odd that not one country has chosen to go that route.

There might just be a reason why not one has.

> in addition to saving us from desertification of our heartland, coastal
> flooding, increased storm damage, and starvation caused by the
> deadly combination of global warming and the biofuel hoax.

Even if the US did change over to nukes entirely
tomorrow, that would not stop global warming.

> Hydrogen fuel produced from nuclear generation will be expensive
> at first, but the price will decline over time as the infrastructure
> grows and economies of scale lower production costs.

And it will be a lot more expensive than oil for a long time to come.

Which might just be why not one country has actually been stupid
enough to change over to a nuke based hydrogen economy at this time.

> Hydrogen fuel manufacture and distribution techniques will become
> more efficient, and electric car battery technology will also improve,
> allowing Americans to drive our highways without guilt that they are
> burning up precious natural resources or polluting the environment.

They will still be polluting the environment as part of
the process of producing and replacing their cars.

> Cars will pass by leaving behind only a small amount of water vapor if
> hydrogen powered, or just a near silent wind if electric battery powered.

Pity about whats involved in producing those cars in the first place.

In spades with hydrogen powered cars.

> Hybrid vehicles that run on both batteries and hydrogen fuel will be common.

Not any decade soon they wont.

> The nuclear based hydrogen economy is a long term investment
> in America's future that will pay more benefits every year as
> opposed to the biofuel hoax, which will lead to destruction
> of our environment, our economy, and our nation."

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

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