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Monday, December 24, 2007

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TOPIC: AMT ??
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 2:54 pm
From: ""

Maybe someone can explain this to me;

For years, people of wealth have used a combination
of tax loopholes and clever accountants
to reduce their Federal Tax burden to ZERO.

The AMT ( Alternative Minimum Tax ) was enacted
so everyone would pay "their fair share".

As I understand it, if you gross more than "X dollars",
your minimum tax burden will be a flat percentage,
regardless of what sort of deductions you have.
( sounds fair to me )

Congress is complaining that now, this affects
middle class folks with incomes of $75,000 or more,
and the numbers should be juggled.

????

What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?

If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
then why not to the double-income yuppie ?

<rj>

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 3:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

<RJ> <RJ> wrote

> Maybe someone can explain this to me;

> For years, people of wealth have used a
> combination of tax loopholes and clever accountants
> to reduce their Federal Tax burden to ZERO.

Thats where you are going wrong, most dont manage to get it to zero.

> The AMT ( Alternative Minimum Tax ) was
> enacted so everyone would pay "their fair share".

Its more complicated than that too.

> As I understand it, if you gross more than "X dollars",
> your minimum tax burden will be a flat percentage,
> regardless of what sort of deductions you have.
> ( sounds fair to me )

> Congress is complaining that now, this affects
> middle class folks with incomes of $75,000 or
> more, and the numbers should be juggled.

> ????

> What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?

Nothing is unfair about THAT. What is being discussed is adjusting
the level at which the AMT applys so that it still catches the same
group that it was intended to catch, given that otherwise the level
wouldnt be adjusted for inflation and other tax cuts etc.

> If it applys to the McDonalds employee,

It doesnt. It only apply to those with incomes much higher than that.

> then why not to the double-income yuppie ?

Because it was never intended to apply to those either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Minimum_Tax

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 5:12 pm
From: jdoe

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:54:17 -0700, "<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com>
wrote:

>Maybe someone can explain this to me;
>
>For years, people of wealth have used a combination
>of tax loopholes and clever accountants
>to reduce their Federal Tax burden to ZERO.
>
>The AMT ( Alternative Minimum Tax ) was enacted
>so everyone would pay "their fair share".
>
>As I understand it, if you gross more than "X dollars",
>your minimum tax burden will be a flat percentage,
>regardless of what sort of deductions you have.
>( sounds fair to me )
>
>Congress is complaining that now, this affects
>middle class folks with incomes of $75,000 or more,
>and the numbers should be juggled.
>
>????
>
>What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>
>If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
>then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>
><rj>
obviously you are an ignoramus

the AMT was implemented back in the 60s to nail the super rich who
by various means avoided much of the taxes.
back when the AMT was implemented the tax rate on these people was
about 90%, so who could blame them for seeking loopholes,
anyway the AMT was never indexed for inflation and now that many
families are earning over 6 figures they are getting caught up by the
AMT which limits most deductions and causes these families to pay even
higher taxes.

I don't understand the losers like you who don't realize that the top
10% of earners in the US pay about 95% of the taxes.
It is people like you who don't pay their fair share, and then they
want tax cuts fir them but not for the people who are actually paying
the taxes
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 6:06 pm
From: imascot

"<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote in news:q3e0n31jqgibmjq8sf6k9skpi6fmnl41b7@4ax.com:

> Congress is complaining that now, this affects
> middle class folks with incomes of $75,000 or more,
> and the numbers should be juggled.
>
> ????
>
> What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>
> If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
> then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>
> <rj>
>

Is $75,000 per year considered a double income where you are? Where I am, (east coast) $75,000
better be ONE of the incomes, if you plan on owning a house, and I'm not talking about buying one
at today's prices, I'm talking about keeping one like mine, bought 10 years ago for under $130,000.
The AMT, if it creeps up on folks like me, will eliminate all property tax and other deductions.
Since I pay about $7,000 per year in property tax alone, (not to even mention the extortionate
state income tax), it will make owning a home almost impossible.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 7:07 pm
From: jdoe

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:06:18 GMT, imascot <imnot@mycomputer.now>
wrote:

>"<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote in news:q3e0n31jqgibmjq8sf6k9skpi6fmnl41b7@4ax.com:
>
>> Congress is complaining that now, this affects
>> middle class folks with incomes of $75,000 or more,
>> and the numbers should be juggled.
>>
>> ????
>>
>> What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>>
>> If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
>> then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>>
>> <rj>
>>
>
>Is $75,000 per year considered a double income where you are? Where I am, (east coast) $75,000
>better be ONE of the incomes, if you plan on owning a house, and I'm not talking about buying one
>at today's prices, I'm talking about keeping one like mine, bought 10 years ago for under $130,000.
>The AMT, if it creeps up on folks like me, will eliminate all property tax and other deductions.
>Since I pay about $7,000 per year in property tax alone, (not to even mention the extortionate
>state income tax), it will make owning a home almost impossible.

you are exactly the person who the AMT is sneaking up on and is
screwing.
the real problem is that to the liberloons you are a rich person and
should be taxed even higher levels in order to give to the indigents,
whom for whatever reason either cannot or will do anything to help
themselves
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 7:45 pm
From: Jeff

jdoe wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:06:18 GMT, imascot <imnot@mycomputer.now>
> wrote:
>
>> "<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote in news:q3e0n31jqgibmjq8sf6k9skpi6fmnl41b7@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Congress is complaining that now, this affects
>>> middle class folks with incomes of $75,000 or more,
>>> and the numbers should be juggled.
>>>
>>> ????
>>>
>>> What s unfair about paying SOME taxes ?
>>>
>>> If it applys to the McDonalds employee,
>>> then why not to the double-income yuppie ?
>>>
>>> <rj>
>>>
>> Is $75,000 per year considered a double income where you are? Where I am, (east coast) $75,000
>> better be ONE of the incomes, if you plan on owning a house, and I'm not talking about buying one
>> at today's prices, I'm talking about keeping one like mine, bought 10 years ago for under $130,000.
>> The AMT, if it creeps up on folks like me, will eliminate all property tax and other deductions.
>> Since I pay about $7,000 per year in property tax alone, (not to even mention the extortionate
>> state income tax), it will make owning a home almost impossible.
>
>
> you are exactly the person who the AMT is sneaking up on and is
> screwing.
> the real problem is that to the liberloons you are a rich person and
> should be taxed even higher levels in order to give to the indigents,

You just believe anything you hear on wingnut radio.

<URL: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1963009420071219 />

Note that it was blue dog fiscal conservative democrats that opposed the
patch.

And just what percent of the federal budget do you think goes to
indigents? What percent do you think goes to wealthy corporate farmers?

Here's the average annual spending increase of the federal budget (does
not include the off budget Iraq War):

* Johnson: 4.1 percent
* Nixon/Ford: 5 percent
* Carter: 1.6 percent
* Reagan: 1.4 percent
* Bush I: 3.8 percent
* Clinton: 2.1 percent
* Bush II: 4.8 percent

You are just looking for a scapegoat. Value of the dollar is a bit
more than half what it was when W was elected. US debt is 50% higher and
going up. Nobody knows the risk exposure of all those CDO's and the
economy is being propped up by cheap money.

But go ahead and blame it all on a few poor people if it makes you
feel better.

Jeff

> whom for whatever reason either cannot or will do anything to help
> themselves
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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TOPIC: Biofuel hoax is the cause of recent food inflation and new biofuel bill
will skyrocket food prices higher!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 3:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

calderhome@yahoo.com wrote:
> George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote

>> Meanwhile, Brazil largely runs their ethanol plants on biofuel - sugar cane scrap.

> No.

You're both mangling the story.

> Brazil is using full SUGAR CANE, which is food that people
> can eat, not scrap or waste. They are not using scrap,

Yes they are, as the energy source for the distillation process.

They are ALSO using the sugar cane as the source
of sugar for the fermentation process into ethanol.

> which takes a much higher technology than they have,

Wrong again, its just worth doing when you have the sugar cane available.

> and which has not been proven to be economically viable as yet.

Sugar cane isnt reallly economically viable either.

> Brazil is cutting more and more forests to grow biofuels

Nope, those arent generally grown on newly cleared forests.

> and the earth's C02 sponge is shrinking daily.

Wrong again, the primary CO2 sponge is the oceans.

> It is true that if you have to make ethanol, sugar cane is allot better
> than corn, but this is still a band-aid fix on a gaping wound.

Nope.

> Biofuels will not stop or slow global warming,

Thats isnt the reason for biofuels, its to reduce the dependence on fossil fuels.

> just speed up the destruction of the rain forests which absorb C02.

Utterly mangled all over again.

> Not a good deal at all!

It is for a country like Brazil that has no oil of its own.

> One person can live for a year on the corn it takes to
> fill up your gas tank just once! Biofuels = food crisis!

There is no food crisis. The world has a surplus of food.

> Brazil has just discovered a large oil deposit off their coast,

Its peanuts compared with the world supply.

> so they are still going to be using and selling lots of oil.

Depends on how you define lots.

> For the USA, biofuels are not the answer.

No one ever said it was.

> We need to go the high-tech route that uses
> little land and does not cut down forests.
> We can do nuclear energy better than anyone,

Wrong again.

> and it is clean and safe and we have all the fuel we need, already paid for.

The nuke plants havent been paid for and thats a much higher cost than the fuel.

> If we start early, we can stop global warming in time to
> save the Midwest breadbasket from becoming a desert.

Its never going to become a desert.

> But time is short,

Nope.

> and biofuels are just a tactic to reduce foreign oil
> consumption, not a device to end global warming.

They were never intended to end global warming.

> Christopher

> see:

http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html -
> The biofuel hoax is causing a world food crisis!

There is no world food crisis.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 6:02 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5t9a2aF1c40o7U1@mid.individual.net...
> calderhome@yahoo.com wrote:
>> see:

http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html
>
> No thanks.
>
>> The biofuel hoax is causing a world food crisis!
>
> There is no 'world food crisis'
very true.......and their is no shortage of crude oil also
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 6:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Nicik Name <orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> calderhome@yahoo.com wrote

>>> see:

http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

>> No thanks.

>>> The biofuel hoax is causing a world food crisis!

>> There is no 'world food crisis'

> very true.......and their is no shortage of crude oil also

Some countrys like Brazil do however choose to reduce their dependency on foreign oil.

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TOPIC: Merry Christmas to all you fellers who have bailed me out time and
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 4:27 pm
From: Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">

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>
>
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TOPIC: Yet another Best Buy consumer horror story -- woman tasered by cop.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 4:55 pm
From: Ed Stasiak

> Joel Koltner wrote
>
> The question is whether or not tasering is an appropriate response to someone
> who's clearly agitated, verbally abusive, and basically being a royal pain in
> the ass...

I'd say tazers were created for just such an occasion.

The other options are to either physically restrain the idiot (which
is
much more likely to result in injury, to both the idiot and the cop)
or
shoot them dead.

> but has made no physical threats,

So the cop ought to wait until maybe the screaming idiot pulls a gun
and starts spraying lead all over the store?

> and is in a situation where, if they are innocent, legitimately would be agitated.

Which the cop doesn't know and can't know because the idiot is
screaming at and running from the cop, possibly looking for a chance
to pull a gun or run from the store.

While I'm sure it happens once in a great while, I have yet to see a
case where the "victim" of the tazering wasn't asking for it. If
you're
going to behave like an asshole, expect to be treated like an asshole.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 5:24 pm
From: max

In article
<4fc67d8a-e58e-48e8-aaf3-efc278c892f9@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Ed Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:

> > Joel Koltner wrote
> >
> > The question is whether or not tasering is an appropriate response to
> > someone
> > who's clearly agitated, verbally abusive, and basically being a royal pain
> > in
> > the ass...
>
> I'd say tazers were created for just such an occasion.
>
> The other options are to either physically restrain the idiot (which
> is
> much more likely to result in injury, to both the idiot and the cop)
> or
> shoot them dead.
>
> > but has made no physical threats,
>
> So the cop ought to wait until maybe the screaming idiot pulls a gun
> and starts spraying lead all over the store?
>
> > and is in a situation where, if they are innocent, legitimately would be
> > agitated.
>
> Which the cop doesn't know and can't know because the idiot is
> screaming at and running from the cop, possibly looking for a chance
> to pull a gun or run from the store.
>
> While I'm sure it happens once in a great while, I have yet to see a
> case where the "victim" of the tazering wasn't asking for it. If
> you're
> going to behave like an asshole, expect to be treated like an asshole.

"if you lose you temper and raise your voice, you deserve to be tasered"

gotcha

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 5:44 pm
From: Ed Stasiak

> max wrote
> > Ed Stasiak wrote
> >
> > While I'm sure it happens once in a great while, I have yet to see a
> > case where the "victim" of the tazering wasn't asking for it. If you're
> > going to behave like an asshole, expect to be treated like an asshole.
>
> "if you lose you temper and raise your voice, you deserve to be tasered"

A cop is not a judge and the check out line of a store is not a court.

Screaming and behaving like an idiot will not only _not_ get you out
of trouble, odds are you will end up in _even more_ trouble no matter
how much "in the right" you originally may have been.

Just behave like a civilized person and sort it out in court, that's
why
we have them.

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TOPIC: More Selective reporting from Limbaugh
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 5:36 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b4kqm39nqv1i63qp8g89o3ts54r8pq862p@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:28 -0500, jl <jl@nowhereszville.biz> wrote:
>
>>Limbaugh is a total blithering idiot. He never analyzes an issue
>>completely. It's all just one sided.
> since you know that already why do you listen to his show? I know that
> the NY Times is a slanted leftist propaganda tool, I don't read it.
Chloroformed by Limbaugh for the past 18 years Fido?
NEWS BY THIS VERY DANGEROUS MAN IS NOT.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 5:40 pm
From: jdoe

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:36:47 -0500, "Nicik Name"
<orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>"jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:b4kqm39nqv1i63qp8g89o3ts54r8pq862p@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:28 -0500, jl <jl@nowhereszville.biz> wrote:
>>
>>>Limbaugh is a total blithering idiot. He never analyzes an issue
>>>completely. It's all just one sided.
>> since you know that already why do you listen to his show? I know that
>> the NY Times is a slanted leftist propaganda tool, I don't read it.
> Chloroformed by Limbaugh for the past 18 years Fido?
>NEWS BY THIS VERY DANGEROUS MAN IS NOT.
>
what fools like you don't seem to grasp is that the NY Times purports
itself to being an unraised news operation, guys like limbaugh are not
news dissemination services, they are commentators who inject their
opinions into the daily news stories, back to your puppy chow, foolish
one
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 5:53 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qnn0n3t4331c4dovuqup0btdcb82er76vh@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:36:47 -0500, "Nicik Name"
> <orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:b4kqm39nqv1i63qp8g89o3ts54r8pq862p@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:28 -0500, jl <jl@nowhereszville.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Limbaugh is a total blithering idiot. He never analyzes an issue
>>>>completely. It's all just one sided.
>>> since you know that already why do you listen to his show? I know that
>>> the NY Times is a slanted leftist propaganda tool, I don't read it.
>> Chloroformed by Limbaugh for the past 18 years Fido?
>>NEWS BY THIS VERY DANGEROUS MAN IS NOT.
>>
> what fools like you don't seem to grasp is that the NY Times purports
> itself to being an unraised news operation, guys like limbaugh are not
> news dissemination services, they are commentators who inject their
> opinions into the daily news stories, back to your puppy chow, foolish
> one
Problem is Ditto Heads think they are getting real news from Limbaugh.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 6:15 pm
From: Steve

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>> since you know that already why do you listen to his show? I know that
>>> the NY Times is a slanted leftist propaganda tool, I don't read it.
>>
>> "[I] never saw a foreign intervention that the [New York] Times did not
>> support, never saw a fare increase or a rent increase or a utility rate
>> increase that it did not endorse, never saw it take the side of labor in
>> a strike or lockout, or advocate a raise for underpaid workers. And
>> don't let me get started on universal health care and Social Security.
>> So why do people think the Times is liberal?"
>> ~veteran New York Times reporter John Hess

> Are you aware that both the Times and Judith Miller supported invading
>Iraq?

And your point is?

He trusted neither of them as far as he could spit,
and he was a poor spitter,
lacking both distance and control.

...P.G. Wodehouse

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 6:34 pm
From: George Grapman

Nicik Name wrote:
> "jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:qnn0n3t4331c4dovuqup0btdcb82er76vh@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:36:47 -0500, "Nicik Name"
>> <orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b4kqm39nqv1i63qp8g89o3ts54r8pq862p@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:57:28 -0500, jl <jl@nowhereszville.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Limbaugh is a total blithering idiot. He never analyzes an issue
>>>>> completely. It's all just one sided.
>>>> since you know that already why do you listen to his show? I know that
>>>> the NY Times is a slanted leftist propaganda tool, I don't read it.
>>> Chloroformed by Limbaugh for the past 18 years Fido?
>>> NEWS BY THIS VERY DANGEROUS MAN IS NOT.
>>>
>> what fools like you don't seem to grasp is that the NY Times purports
>> itself to being an unraised news operation, guys like limbaugh are not
>> news dissemination services, they are commentators who inject their
>> opinions into the daily news stories, back to your puppy chow, foolish
>> one
> Problem is Ditto Heads think they are getting real news from Limbaugh.
> http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm

>
>
I listen to maybe 5 minutes at a time and look at his site. When I see
what appears to be a lie,i.e' says media ignored a story when ,in fact,
it was on page one, I post a Limbaugh lie of the day on
alt.fan.rush-imbaugh. The dittohead replies are:

Prove he said it.
After the transcript is posted they say it was taken out of context.
Where do you find the time to listen?
He is just an entertainer.

Wonder hoe many of his fans have considered that fact that when the
listened and nodded their heads in agreement he was stoned on oxy.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 6:36 pm
From: George Grapman

Steve wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> since you know that already why do you listen to his show? I know that
>>>> the NY Times is a slanted leftist propaganda tool, I don't read it.
>>> "[I] never saw a foreign intervention that the [New York] Times did not
>>> support, never saw a fare increase or a rent increase or a utility rate
>>> increase that it did not endorse, never saw it take the side of labor in
>>> a strike or lockout, or advocate a raise for underpaid workers. And
>>> don't let me get started on universal health care and Social Security.
>>> So why do people think the Times is liberal?"
>>> ~veteran New York Times reporter John Hess
>
>> Are you aware that both the Times and Judith Miller supported invading
>> Iraq?
>
> And your point is?
>
>
The obvious one, if it was so anti-Bush it would not have supported
the invasion.
Limbaugh, who regularly attacks the Times, admitted that he never
reads it and rarely looks at their website.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 7:04 pm
From: jdoe

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:53:02 -0500, "Nicik Name"
<orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>Problem is Ditto Heads think they are getting real news from Limbaugh.
>http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm

>
no, the problem is that people like you guessing how people take
things, your prejudices are as bad as anyone else's
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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