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Friday, December 21, 2007

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TOPIC: Will an oil-filled radiator save me money?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 12:13 am
From: Jeff

Joe wrote:
> I'm running through around 132 gallons of oil per month in my 1300 sq
> ft Cape Cod house. At $3 per gallon that's $400 to heat my house! I've
> been reading about oil filled radiators and I read one person's acct
> that he was using it to heat a 600 sq foot area and it only cost him
> 10kwh a day. At my extremely high electricity rate of .22/kwh I would
> seemingly still be saving a ton to heat my house if I bought two of
> these heaters and ran them all day. ($66x2=$132.) Is that possible?
> What am I missing?

The calculation

If 1 gallon of heating oil has 139,000 BTU and your furnace is 880%
efficient then you are getting 111,000 BTU heat per gallon. That's
37,000 BTU/$

For electricity you get 3340 BTU/kWh One dollar buys you 15,181 BTU,
more than twice the cost of your oil.

Now, electric heaters are great for spot heating, if you can turn
down the heat elsewhere it may work out for you.

With all things heating, insulate, cover your windows and eliminate
any air leaks.

Jeff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 3:32 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<fcf54fe3-975b-44e5-ad3b-12942a8c4171@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Joe <joe5345@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm running through around 132 gallons of oil per month in my 1300 sq
> ft Cape Cod house. At $3 per gallon that's $400 to heat my house! I've
> been reading about oil filled radiators and I read one person's acct
> that he was using it to heat a 600 sq foot area and it only cost him
> 10kwh a day. At my extremely high electricity rate of .22/kwh I would
> seemingly still be saving a ton to heat my house if I bought two of
> these heaters and ran them all day. ($66x2=$132.) Is that possible?
> What am I missing?

Impossible to say. Each person's house is unique. How warm do you prefer
your home to be? How well insulated is your home? How's the air
circulation? The best way to find out is to try it. The cost of a couple
of good oil-filled space heaters is a lot less than $400, so give it a
try and see how it works out for you.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:21 am
From: Joe

On Dec 21, 6:32 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Impossible to say. Each person's house is unique. How warm do you prefer
> your home to be?

right now I'm wearing two fleece jackets, fleece pants and fleece
socks just so I can keep my thermostat at 65

How well insulated is your home?
It's a 50 year old home that I bought last year. the Windows are 50
years old and although there are no real breezes coming through I
thinnk their full insulative properties went bye bye long ago. I've
somewhat eliminated all the breezes coming from outlets and doors but
the outside walls are still too cold to the touch for warm air to
stick around too long. That combined with the cold windows seem to cut
down on the residual heat circulation.

How's the air
> circulation?

Not great. The upstairs is consistently colder than the downstairs by
2-3 degrees, that's why I'm thinking a space heater upstairs (2 rooms)
would save me money because I wouldn't have to heat up the whole
downstairs to stay warm at night.
The best way to find out is to try it. The cost of a couple
> of good oil-filled space heaters is a lot less than $400, so give it a
> try and see how it works out for you.

$200? I've notices there are some well rated models in the $40-$70
rannge. Should I stay away from going so cheap?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:35 am
From: freeisbest

On Dec 21, 2:05 am, Joe <joe5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm running through around 132 gallons of oil per month in my 1300 sq
> ft Cape Cod house.

If you live alone, have more than one thermostat, and have sliding
glass doors anywhere, I imagine you've already moved your winter
quarters to the easiy-to-heat part of the house, and turned down the
thermostats on the heat-wasting rooms. So that's done.

> At $3 per gallon that's $400 to heat my house! I've
> been reading about oil filled radiators and I read one person's acct
> that he was using it to heat a 600 sq foot area and it only cost him
> 10kwh a day. At my extremely high electricity rate of .22/kwh I would
> seemingly still be saving a ton to heat my house if I bought two of
> these heaters and ran them all day. ($66x2=$132.) Is that possible?
> What am I missing?

At first reading, it appears that consulting with your local
utilities company and also experiment in the real world are missing.
We don't have enough information to be very helpful. For instance,
are your house walls insulated? Do you have storm windows? Do you
live in on a heavily forested north slope in Maine?
When we used two oil-fired radiatiors some years ago (in NC), we
found that any kind of blown-in or pumped-in wall insulation saves on
your heat bill by as much as 50%.
When we used two oil-fired radiators some years ago (in NC), they
added some heat to a room already at least moderately heated by other
means, but there was no way the ones we had could have heated an
ordinary room, let alone a whole house.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:57 am
From: clams casino

Joe wrote:

>On Dec 21, 6:32 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Impossible to say. Each person's house is unique. How warm do you prefer
>>your home to be?
>>
>>
>
>right now I'm wearing two fleece jackets, fleece pants and fleece
>socks just so I can keep my thermostat at 65
>
>

I'm in a short sleeve T shirt - 66F - very well insulated (2x6
construction).

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 3:32 am
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Marsha wrote:

>
> I'll admit my thinking processes are not normal, but if more people
> want live trees than what are planted, won't the demand eventually
> exceed supply? For example, if you have a tree farm with 100 trees
> and 50 people take trees, you re-plant 50 trees. The next year, you
> only have 50 trees to offer because it's going to take years for your
> newly-planted trees to develop, but 50 or more people want your trees,
> well you eventually won't have any trees ready. I'm really trying to
> understand this processs, honestly.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 3:35 am
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Marsha wrote:

> Derald wrote:
>
>> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm really trying to understand this processs, honestly.
>>
>>
>> Well, exactly what parts of demand, supply and price elude you?
>
>
> Oh, stop it. If demand outpaces supply, then you will eventually run
> out, right? You have 100 trees and 50 get cut down. You can only
> replace the 50 that were cut down. These 50 will not be mature for
> years. I really do need someone to explain this to me in simple English.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>
For a start, one does not have all their trees of the same age.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 5:16 am
From: "Chloe"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fkf94c$eic$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> I'll admit my thinking processes are not normal, but if more people want
> live trees than what are planted, won't the demand eventually exceed
> supply?

Yes, and if fewer people want live trees than what are planted, the supply
will exceed the demand. I recall more than once driving by tree farms here
in the Midwest where there are fields and fields full of trees that have
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Sorry, but this is a tough one to try to make into a major environmental
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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:11 am
From: max

In article <fkf8r1$eal$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

> max wrote:
> >>>On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:04:47 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> >>I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
> >>wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down, right?
> >>
> >>Marsha/Ohio
> >
> > Correct, you are wrong. You need to read up on sustainable
> > silvaculture, and forrestry. Hell, you're posting from a german
> > server, which suggests you're in germany. A german should know better.
>
> Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem (see signature
> line). You might want to check out datemas.de, which is a free
> newsgroup server for anyone, even subhumans, including you.

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...

are you in mensa? Go to a lot of science fiction conventions? how's
the clutter management going? Got those newspapers lined up in nice
little canyons?

>
> Marsha/Ohio

is that what that meant? oh. I stopped reading after the body of your
text, Marsha. Of course, you're arguing with a garden gnome, so what do
you expect?

Ok, Marsha, Christmas trees have been a sustainable production business
in this country (the united states, which is where you live) for at
least two to three generations.

You might want to read up on sustainable forrestry and silvaculture.
Stop being such an ignorant American. All domestically harvested forest
products are sustainably harvested, to the 99% level, if for no other
reason than there isn't any (significant) old-growth left.

I'm surprised at your ignorance, Marsha. Clearly, you're a product of
the American education system, and everything we've come to expect from
modern American pedagogical techniques.

I just wonder, are you innumerate, of just can't think very well?

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 6:24 am
From: barbie gee

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Chloe wrote:

> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fkf94c$eic$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> I'll admit my thinking processes are not normal, but if more people want
>> live trees than what are planted, won't the demand eventually exceed
>> supply?
>
> Yes, and if fewer people want live trees than what are planted, the supply
> will exceed the demand. I recall more than once driving by tree farms here
> in the Midwest where there are fields and fields full of trees that have
> obviously matured past the point of being practical to harvest. I think it's
> a good bet they were not harvested in order to avoid glutting the market and
> driving the price down.

and, I've yet to see a tree lot "sell out", and I live in a major
metropolis, not a podunk with a limited market. Maybe those last trees
are rejects, but they remain unsold, whatever the reason.

Marsha's thinking is painfully linear. There are the different varieties
of trees, trees of different sizes (meaning ages) and so forth. There is
NOT simple cut one-replace one system going on here.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 3:36 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <13mlt9eausu6388@corp.supernews.com>,
Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> I'll be changing my cellphone service sometime in the near future.
> I've switched jobs and will not be travelling, so I'm thinking of Metro
> PCS (not a great service but cheap).
>
> I'm thinking of getting a phone with some web capability. Here is
> their list:
>
> <URL: http://www.metropcs.com/phones/ />
>
> Anyone have any experience with any of these?
>
> Jeff

What's your budget? Where do you intend to use the phone most? Why do
you need a web enabled cell phone? Have you considered A&T and an
iPhone, or a Blackberry from Verizon or Cingular?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 3:36 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <13mmslj8h7h2n98@corp.supernews.com>,
Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> jdoe wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:05:15 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll be changing my cellphone service sometime in the near future.
> >> I've switched jobs and will not be travelling, so I'm thinking of Metro
> >> PCS (not a great service but cheap).
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of getting a phone with some web capability. Here is
> >> their list:
> >>
> >> <URL: http://www.metropcs.com/phones/ />
> >>
> >> Anyone have any experience with any of these?
> >>
> >> Jeff
> > afaik the iphone has the best web capabilities
>
> Yes, but if I bought an iphone I wouldn't be frugal!

Frugal has nothing to do with price; its more to do with value; what you
get for your money.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 4:58 am
From: jdoe

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:00:49 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

>jdoe wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:05:15 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be changing my cellphone service sometime in the near future.
>>> I've switched jobs and will not be travelling, so I'm thinking of Metro
>>> PCS (not a great service but cheap).
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of getting a phone with some web capability. Here is
>>> their list:
>>>
>>> <URL: http://www.metropcs.com/phones/ />
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience with any of these?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>> afaik the iphone has the best web capabilities
>
> Yes, but if I bought an iphone I wouldn't be frugal!

frugal is not about being cheap or getting things cheap, it's about
getting things you need to do a job at the least possible cost.
There isn't a tool out there that is cheaper or does a better job as a
mobile web browser and cell phone, so buying it might be considered a
frugal purchase, ymmv
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 3:39 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<e4e6c3e5-2b89-42c6-b1dd-854dc27f5cc1@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The RD article is deceptive.
> All the their debit cards I've been given have the same
> protections as their credit card according the bank policy.
> They are combo ATM-Debit Cards, which may be the reason.

Right. I have two debit cards and the maximum exposure for me is $50 if
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>

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