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TOPIC: Wholesale / Sell Gucci Belt Bag @btbnt.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 12:49 am
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TOPIC: Make $1000 Of Money From Internet
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 1:09 am
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TOPIC: Canned Mackerel
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 1:52 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> There's a reason that the Chinese will probably take over the world...

>>>>>>> Nope, they've stopped them breeding like rabbits,
>>>>>>> so they wont be taking over anything now.

>>>>>> Uhuh. Notice the increase in Chinese numbers in Ozzieland?

>>>>> Yep, but they wont be taking over here either, those that
>>>>> do end up here have the usual small number of kids, 1.x etc.

>>>> Notice the kids in the Universities and colleges?

>>> Yep, the chinese dont dominate those.

>>>> The proportion of them in the quota faculties

> We dont have quota facultys here.

>>>> ie the Professions, hard sciences and technologies?

>>> Those dont take over the world.

>>>> They will be the ones who will wield real power

>>> Nope, they dont have real power here.

>> Take a drive through your new single family housing
>> developments and observe the ethnic make up.

> I've been doing that for over half a century now.
> They arent dominated by the chinese here.

>> Visit your universities. Also look up the faculty
>> academic staff list. Form your own conclusions.

> I did, the chinese arent over represented in those places here.

> And none of those are where the real power is here.

>> I won't say any more on this subject as it will come across as gloating.

> Just more of your ignorance of what happens here, actually.

> We do have quite a few chinese here who have mostly chosen to leave
> the countrys they came from in SE Asia when they have gotten the
> result they deserved in the countrys they came from, and hordes from
> HongKong who decided that things are much better here than in
> HongKong, but none of them are in any position of real power here.

> They are much more useful immigrants than many we have been stupid
> enough to accept in the past, particularly the dregs of england, and
> the absolute dregs from southern europe and places like lebanon, but
> that hasnt got them any real power here and they certainly wont be
> taking over the world either, essentially because they have one hell of a capacity for getting right up the noses of
> the countrys they migrate to.

Bet you cant list even a single chinese that has any real power in this country.

Or in Canada or America or england either.

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TOPIC: wholesale adidas trainaers,juicy purses,nike shoes, GUCCI handbags
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Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 2:14 am
From: globwholesale15@126.com

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jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
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one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
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12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
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17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women
AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
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15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
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Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
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polo (small )
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Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man
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7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
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4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
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Other 1).Lighter

size chart
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US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30
30.5
31

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TOPIC: need help: intel core 2 duo or amd turion 64x2
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Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 2:19 am
From: "kiran.shrawane@gmail.com"

On Nov 29, 7:01 am, Jon v Leipzig <J...@myday.com> wrote:
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> > for laptop. not really into gaming or heavy graphic stuff, but would like
> > to be able to run future programs with no problem. i really don't know the
> > diff betw the 2.
>
> Probably no need to read the entire 12 pages. This snippette is from the
> last page; _Conclusions_
>
> AMDTurion 64 X2 Meets Intel's Mobile Core 2 Duo
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/27/dual_core_notebook_cpus_explored/
>
> Intel's Coreprocessorfamily is rather dominant, and clearly offers
> better performance than the Turion 64 X2 family.
> <snip>
> Last but not least, keepprocessorperformance in perspective: weight
> and battery runtime may be even more important to you anyway. In the
> end, we consider it very important to compare complete notebooks (and
> their costs) rather than focusing on CPU performance too much.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Get step-by-step advice with the CNET laptop finderhttp://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/

While looking at the performance of x86 processor, look for TDP,
Battery Life, performance per watt and importantly the pricing. One
thing I really noticed about AMD 64 X2 is that all three factors are
much better as compared to that of Intel processor plus I don't get my
lap burned while working on my laptop. AMD has a tool "Dual core
Optimizer" which adds a value to processor's performance.

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TOPIC: Stay in Fashion this Winter!!
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Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 2:49 am
From: uapb22

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TOPIC: Renting VS Buying Homes
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 3:49 am
From: "Chloe"

"Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:-vidnRw0HM-IMMnanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
><snip>
> The tax deduction will most likely be bigger than the standard deduction -
> maybe not hugely bigger, but every dollar helps. When/if you sell the
> house, you get the proceeds, and usually (but not always) that amount is
> larger than the outstanding balance on the mortgage - in other words, you
> get some of your housing spending back.
<snip>

An often overlooked angle is that being able to take the mortgage deduction
might mean you can take other deductions as well--ones that wouldn't exceed
the standard deduction without it.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 4:45 am
From: clams casino

Gordon wrote:

>Chad <chadfsjob@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f0fb1708-a9f5-4b12-a641-
>4d3fce9b9cef@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>>hi,
>>
>>I know this topic has been discussed for a long time and at many
>>places. But when I came to this question recently, I still keep
>>thinking, "is it worth to buy a house now? even the market right now
>>seems nice to buyers." Because every person's financial situation is
>>different. In order to find out the exact answer, I made this web page
>>to do some calculation.
>>The basic idea is to let both renting and buying sides start with the
>>same amount of money, and spend the same amount of money every month.
>>At the end, see which side is richer.
>>There are many factors I did not include in the calculation such as
>>inflation on HOA, insurance which will make it harder and harder to
>>calculate.
>>Here is the link: http://rentingvsbuying.chadstown.com/
>>Do you guys think if the calculation makes sense?
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>You are ignoring the long term advantages of home ownership.
>
>1) Apprieciation. The value of your home will increase over time.
>Current market dynamics excepted, there will be the occasional
>downturn. But in the long run the trend will be up.
>
>

As others have shown, homes appreciate about 4-5% over the long haul,
but the same dollars have historically appreciated 9-10% with stocks.

>2) Taxes. rent is not tax deductable. Mortgage intrest is.
>
>

Only useful when it exceeds the standard deduction. Fewer and fewer
are qualifying for the long form.

>3) Equity building. As you pay down the mortgage and the value
>of your home increases, you get build up equity in your home.
>This is money that you get when you eventually sell (or take out
>a home equity loan). This equity becomes the down payment on the
>next house, letting you buy into bigger and larger properties
>without creating a large monthly payment.
>
>

Can be saved elsewhere with higher returns.

>4) Payment stability. (unless you buy an ARM with a teaser rate).
>your monthly payment will not rise from year to year, while rents
>will.
>
>

Finally an advantage, but you also need to factor in maintenance for a
home vs. care free living when one rents..

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 7:05 am
From: "Lou"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:AZb5j.2098$su4.158@newsfe14.lga...
>
> >2) Taxes. rent is not tax deductable. Mortgage intrest is.
> >
> >
>
> Only useful when it exceeds the standard deduction. Fewer and fewer
> are qualifying for the long form.

EVERYBODY qualifies for the long form. Using the short form is priviledge
extended to some people (I know, probably everyone you've ever known) but
legally, not everyone can use it, while anyone can choose to file the long
form.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 7:51 am
From: Chad

On Dec 3, 8:27 pm, "Lou" <lpogodajr292...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Chad" <chadfs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f0fb1708-a9f5-4b12-a641-4d3fce9b9cef@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > hi,
>
> > I know this topic has been discussed for a long time and at many
> > places. But when I came to this question recently, I still keep
> > thinking, "is it worth to buy a house now? even the market right now
> > seems nice to buyers." Because every person's financial situation is
> > different. In order to find out the exact answer, I made this web page
> > to do some calculation.
> > The basic idea is to let both renting and buying sides start with the
> > same amount of money, and spend the same amount of money every month.
> > At the end, see which side is richer.
>
> You're assuming that under both the buying and renting scenarios, you'll be
> spending the same amount of money each month. If that is indeed the case,
> the person who buys the house generally has two things going for him that
> the person renting a dwelling does not:
>
> 1. A yearly tax deduction
> 2. A lump sum payment when the house is sold
>
> If you get a fixed rate mortgage, you can add another item to the list - a
> major part of your housing expense will never rise, but can go down (you can
> refinance if rates drop).
>
> The tax deduction will most likely be bigger than the standard deduction -
> maybe not hugely bigger, but every dollar helps. When/if you sell the
> house, you get the proceeds, and usually (but not always) that amount is
> larger than the outstanding balance on the mortgage - in other words, you
> get some of your housing spending back.
>
> But nothing is certain, and there is no way to realistically assess the
> risks 30 years out - your neighborhood could become a slum and the place not
> worth what you paid for it, your neighborhood could become fashionable and
> appreciate far above the general run of prices.
>
> Just off the top of my head, $200/year for insurance and repairs is a wild
> underestimate. 5% interest rate on a mortgage is not real realistic either.
> In New Jersey, $1,500 a year for property taxes is maybe 25% of the average
> residential property tax bill. $2,000 for closing costs also seems very
> low. Around here, $800/month rent wouldn't get you much. Some rentals
> include utilities, some do not, but a homeowner never has someone else
> paying the utility bills, and I don't see an allowance for those under
> either scenario. I don't know where you're getting the 30% tax rate on the
> sale of a house, but the rollover rule and the one-time lifetime exemption
> make that seem very high. A 3% annual house appreciation also seems low
> (the average ove the last 20 years or so is on the order of 4%-5%). The 8%
> investment income rate is a low as well (the S&P over the last 20 years or
> so averages 9%-10%). The investment tax is also probably overstated - you
> don't pay taxes on stock gains unless you sell the stock and if you wait
> until you retire to sell, you'll possibly be in a lower bracket. A 2%
> annual increase in rent also seems low - it's a long time since I was a
> renter, but whoever you're renting from is subject to all the price
> pressures for taxes, utilities, and cost of paid help that a homeowner
> faces, and they want to make a profit. If the Fed holds inflation down to
> 2% annually over the next 30 years, I'll be surprised. I don't know what
> the current requirements for a down payment on a house are, but I bought my
> first house with 5% down, so I think that your $40,000 initial investment
> fund under the rental scenario compared to the $0 initial fund under the buy
> scenario overstates the the case.
>
> Buying a house is not merely, purely, or even mostly about money however
> (assuming you have the money to make it possible in the first place). It's
> a choice about how you want to live, and I don't mean just your physical
> surroundings. I don't know if it's still true, but for instance when I got
> out of school, if you were aiming at becoming a partner in a large
> accounting firm, you wouldn't have a shot if you didn't own a house.
> Historically, most people who buy die with a bigger pile of money than those
> who rent, but there are no guarantees.
>
>
>
> > There are many factors I did not include in the calculation such as
> > inflation on HOA, insurance which will make it harder and harder to
> > calculate.
> > Here is the link:http://rentingvsbuying.chadstown.com/
> > Do you guys think if the calculation makes sense?
> > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh, if you sell your home, you don't need to pay tax on net gain? I
also heard people saying they don't need to pay tax if the house was
their primary residence for at least 2 years. Otherwise, they have to
pay tax. Is this true?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 7:56 am
From: Chad

>1. A yearly tax deduction
I alraedy included the tax deduction in the calculation. The tax
returned will be put into the investment account yearly.

>2. A lump sum payment when the house is sold
What is the lump sum payment when you sell your house?

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TOPIC: Any ATT cell phone users here?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 3:55 am
From: "Joe"

> You might, for all I know, also be able to go to an AT&T
> store and borrow one of their SIM cards and try it out in
> the store. I'd just tell them that you have a phone that
> you really like a lot and that you want to keep, and you
> want to try it out on their network. They usually have phones
> in the store with SIM cards in them for demo purposes, or at
> least the T-Mobile store does that.

Many of the AT&T stores have demo phones right there on the wall that are
active. If you talk to the manager or salesperson and ask, I'm suer they
would let you try the SIM card.

Aside from that, call a number you own with caller ID and you can get the
number to the "wall phone" and call customers during peak times to say
hello. :)
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
http://yunx.com/valk.htm

Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 4:58 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:54:41 -0600, me@privacy.net wrote:

>I currently have an unlocked GSM Nokia phone being used
>on another carrier OTHER than ATT
>
>Thinking of going to ATT tho so can I use THIS phone
>with the ATT system thereby avoiding the contract
>commitment?

call their service department and ask. i got a pda on ebay which
turned out to be also a cell phone [used to be verizon], and they
checked the model number and assured me that it will work with them.
of course i haven;t actually tried it. i'm going to take my current
phone and the new one into one of their stores and have them transfer
my card.

if you are thinking prepaid, the two plans they offered me were one
with no activation charge and 25 cents per minute or a dollar per day
on days when you actually use the phone and then 10 cents per minute.
i don't use it often, so i'm on the first, but i'm trying to see if i
can get something cheaper. i need myland line because i have a
dial-up isp, so i use that for most of my calls.

elise

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 4:31 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
> news:13l5rhhon7hkt4d@corp.supernews.com...
>> In article <r8A4j.3888$xB.1301@trndny06>,
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can find some information about the differences between 32-bit and
>> 64-bit architecures here:
>>
>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit
>
> i don't usually think to go to wikipedia because anyone can write up
> anything
> for it.
>
>> The primary limitation is memory. Software _never_ gets smaller, so buy
>> a system that you can expand to 4GB when you need to. If you decide to
>> run Vista (not recommended), you should start with 1GB.
>>
>> Get a CPU with a large cache--2MB minimum, 4GB is better; trade off clock
>> speed for more cache. Get a fast hard drive. You're not doing things that
>> push the limits of current technology, so the rest isn't critical.
>
> the memory, cache and drive speed were all at the top of my list. since
> most
> off the shelf machines come with vista preloaded, i should get a custom
> built one? what xp software would i load on it? i have a copy of xp, but
> it's
> registered to this current machine and dh will be using it. do the shops
> still
> sell xp? i thought ms was getting ready to stop supporting it.
>
> oh, and now dh is thinking he'd like the laptop to deal with lyric, a
> graphics
> manipulating program (he'd prefer final cut pro but he says it usually run
> on a mac).
> just threw that at me today. so know i'm really looking at 4+G memory, min
> 2G cache,
> 7200rpm hd and really a good graphics card (like a gamer needs? anyone got
> suggestions?)?
> i just know this is gonna hit at least 2k (lyric not included), but getting
> proficient in lyric
> will let him get more overtime/freelance work. maybe a desktop with all
> that stuff since
> they're cheaper and get a laptop more for just what i need? might not be
> much more than
> the laptop all loaded up.
>

It sounds like you're better off getting a desktop, for now. Much cheaper.

Last I heard, this Vista's been such a flop, they even have a service
pack 3 in the works, for XP.

(I noticed, at TigerDirect they stilll have em with XP, XP Pro)

Vista SP1 a Performance Dud

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11/vista-sp1-performance-dud.html

What Intel Giveth, Microsoft Taketh Away

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-intel-giveth-microsoft-taketh-away.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 4:36 am
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Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 4:39 am
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TOPIC: Christ in Islam
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/06c4482e668dd598?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 5:08 am
From: George

Rod Speed wrote:
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 231 wrote:
>>> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 231 wrote:
>>>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> here's what i know:
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>> my God has a Son name Christ Jesus.
>>>>> You dont know that.
>>>> But since a negative can never be proved
>>> That is just plain wrong. I can trivially prove that
>>> there is no gigantic pink elephant in this room.
>
>> I know atheists like to declare that basic science and rules of logic are invalid
>
> Didnt do that. I JUST rubbed your nose in the FACT that that
> claim that you can never prove a negative is just plain wrong.

I do understand that some people have limited or no imagination or
exposure to science so they only believe things they know or can touch.

>
>> but there is always the possibility that you are unable to observe something that may be there.
>
> And that possibility can be eliminated by using a number of ways
> of measuring if there is a gigantic pink elephant in the room.

But unless you are making the claim that you are omniscient you can't
possibly know every method. If you don't know every possible method then
you can't definitively say there is nothing.

>
>> You can only make an assertion that a "giant pink elephant" defined as you know it isn't there.
>
> Wrong again. You can measure whether the gigantic pink elephant is there or not.
>
>> You can never prove that there isn't a giant pink elephant in the room.
>
> You can assert that until you are blue in the face, changes nothing.
>
>>>> how do you know?
>>> How do I know what ?
>>>
>>>>>> islam's god does not.
>>>>> Its the same god, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> therefore they cannot be the same god
>>>>> Or it is the same god and its devotees cant get the basics right.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and they are not, no matter how hard islam tries to horn in and
>>>>>> claim it as so.
>>>>> Just as true of the stupid xtians.
>>>>>
>>>>>> allah IS NOT the same god as the God of the hebrew and christians.
>>>>> Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that
>>>>> claim. In spades that there is any 'god' at all.
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 5:11 am
From: George

A Veteran wrote:
> Lots of "Popcorn" is available. you know the styrofoam peanuts that are
> used in packing boxes.
> Use it to fill cavities and voids in your building. Be cautious as it can
> burn.
>

How about don't even think about it? Packing peanuts burn rapidly and
give off toxic gases while burning.

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TOPIC: We Want Illegal Aliens Out of NY Out of USA!!!!!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 5:42 am
From: Louie

Oye. Aqui esta Las noticias for every body.

> Use the time you spend on these posts, to learn how to spell. BY
> spelling this way, people (viewers) will not take your posts
> seriously. SO, do something better with your life. Get a girlfriend
> or get a life.

Stupid guy he make worry for Louie no body can take him seriously. No
body can believe this haha!!! I have very good wife & may be 1 to 2
hour every day help make deport to illegals. I stay in so many
internet group they are helping allso. Every body need have time for
this. Some time I improve to my writing no body can make improve to
truth. Truth is truth.

I have no intent to speak with stupid guy who brake marriage to live
with Illegal Uliana. Si, he brake marriage illegal stripper push him
for doing this.This guy is liar and try to fool to every body. Loose
marriage now all he have is illegal stripper. I am sorry for this guy.

> Better yet, the only reason I got married, is because
> my ex wife got pregnant.

Haha. He has marriage for more than 5 year. He have 4 year old son. I
want make say I knows to this guy. I sees to stupid guy & illegal
stripper allways. He make lie every body know to what is truth.

He is stupid guy think I am special friend of Lena. I am friend to
every family!!! Enemigo to every Illegal!!!! Judger of every body
specially self. Louie is rigteous guy who know right from wrong. I see
fact make judge of all thing & come out correct.

Arthur he cannot change truth that Uliana is illegal stripper!!! He
cannot change truth that she make sex with every taxi driver near to
where she live they give her $$$$. Sorry for yo stupd guy this make
she is hooker allso. May be he doesnt know to this. Stupid guy is more
stupid!!!

> Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
> are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
> BUT LIES,

Totalmente this is mentira. Uliana she only come to USA less than 2
year. She come mayo 2006. He only want to fix every body know to her
now. He cannot fix this!!! ICE & Homeland Security they knows to her
they look at all facts.What can he say when they call for Illegal
Uliana to make appear?

She write on internet exact plan to brake visa. She is in USA ILLEGAL
& she make INTENT TO COME HERE ILLEGAL. This is criminal acting. She
make try to find some American guy she stay witl when she come here
illegal. This is bad acting. She write all this on internet. Sje send
email. STupid Uliana allso. This is stupid guy he make all lies for
psycho stripper he make trouble for self & business & little boy.

> IM 33 years old, have a business (employing 5 people), and 2 college
> degrees. Do you really thing a 22 year old girl, can mislead me and
> lure me into a marriage.

He has no clear thinking les aseguro. He try and fix all thing for
illegal stripper and so many say she look like she have more than 30
years! She is liar in every thing.

He have no info about psycho people. So many people liek this!!! They
make fool to every body they have no sould feel for no body. Fool to
so many people more clever than this stupid guy. Every body need to
know this & pyschos can do no more harm to people.

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/antisocialpd.htm

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist-Revised_%28PCL-R%29

Illegal Uliana he cannot fix to what she is & what she do. He cannot
change fact. He make big mistake go with her & help to her. He make
threaten for he self & family & business allso!!!

No body can forget allso he allow to Ilegal stripper make threaten
blackmail on wife Lena.

> U cause pain and destruction. Stop your posts.

Illegal stripper she start all things. Make pain on her self for brake
US law & do harm to others. She is no afraid for any thing. Every body
need to read abot psycho & they see!!!

> I never loved my wife and was cheating on her

Yo have no love for wife yo find new good one. Better yo throw away
illegal stripper she have no interest yo are father to little boy. Yo
needs for to give to him more time. Yo needs to protect him from
illegal stripper. No body knows may be what she do with child she have
no responsible feeling. Any body they have little child needs for
think of child PRIMERO. Needs to thik more than he like to make sex
with Illegal stripper make fiesta all day.

A todos modos ICE throws her out of USA soon & yo need for find new
women, amigo.

> before I meat Uliana.

Hahaha!!! This guy he make insult on my English & he is not good
allso!! Some body look to this and laugh so much!!! He say he meat to
Uliana!!! Meat significa flesh from animal. Carne yo eat. Si, she is
meat like animal. Face like animal y se porta como un animal. She is
stripper an dhooker!!! She show all things and people yes think this
is meat!!! Hahaha he show truth when he try to make lie to every body.

Louie
(I am Puerto Rican American patriot & family guy)

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On Nov 16, 3:41 pm, art777 <Arthur1...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Nov 1, 9:43 am, luis.river...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > We Want Illegal Aliens Out of NY Out of USA!!!!!!!

> > Every body I know agree with this thinking.

> > May be this help we allso make report one by one.

> > I make report here this Illegal Stripper Uliana Abramova.

> > Look at this Illegal Uliana!!! She do all crime use any US American
> > man take husband brake family try & blackmail allso!!! She stay in USA
> > she do what she like all times. She work in strip club allso hooker!!!
> > She have face like weseal some bad animal. Yo can see she have no
> > soul. She care for no body only self only dream of $$$$ and more $$$$.
> > Any body can see she have no heart or soul.

> > Illegal Stripper Ulianahttp://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

> > Illegal stripper is psycho for sure. How may illgal do more crime
> > beside come here illegal? May be every one. I think so.

> > They take to long to drport to her but some time soon this happen.
> > Seguro que si.

> > Some people think Louie is spammer but all things I put here are true.
> > No braking law if every thing yo say is true. People need this info so
> > they help to deport to her soon & think to report any criminlal
> > illegal. Any body help to her they have trouble allso!!! Mr Sanjay
> > talk of law, Give her space to live & job is harboring & helping &
> > Illegal allso.

> > Please every body should report to Illegal Alien where they know there
> > is one. Por favor, this is help to every body. Yo not forget they do
> > so many extra crime not just come here illegal!!! This makes bigger
> > problem. More crmininals in USA!!!

> > Mr Sanjay put up info & I put up again. Every body knows to her now.
> > All of us should do this!!! Report on Illegal that we know, write to
> > goverment people. Do all things and may be they listen. Seguro que si.
> > We push them they have to listen some time if every body thinking this
> > way. So many people in agree with us so this happen for sure.

> > Louie
> > (I am Puerto Rican American)

> > ...........

> > Subject: We wants Illegal Stripper Uliana Abramova Out of NY out of
> > USA!!!!!!!!!!

> > Perdon. Picture of Stripper on internet was not working. I think
> > before to see it. Run fast where yo see her walk!!!! Protext family
> > and self from puta. She take every think from every body when nobody
> > stop to her

> > Illegal Stripper Ulianahttp://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

> > Louie

> > ............

> > I see this put on some Google groups by Mr Sanja Karam. Now post is
> > taken off & I put back.Very wrong what this illegal did, brake visa,
> > brake family, try & blackmail wife, get into university to. She does
> > all crimes, brake US immigration laws to. This is illegal and psycho
> > also. 1 of 25 people psycho like this stripper, doctrs saying. The
> > post disappear so here I put it again. what a sick chica so bad. I see
> > her picture to flat tits & no good face. they deport her bak to russia
> > soon I hope. No good stripper & bad person to.

> > Her is info for you to think about so protext self, family job &
> > country.

> > Picture (new one) of ugly stripper, face like animalhttp://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

> > Chat of stripper EXACT PLAN to get into US illegalhttp://www.site2date.com/chat/data/23597_35806.txt

> > For Report Illegal Alienhttp://www.reportillegals.com/

> > More criminal like Stripperhttp://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/23/080527.php

> > Louie
> > ..............

> > Post from Mr. Sanjay.

> > To Whom it May Concern:

> > Please be advised that Uliana Abramova, recently dismissed from Scores
> > NY West Side, is in flagrant violation of her Non-Immigrant J-1 Visa.
> > She is presently based in New York City, and it is likely that she
> > will at some point seek employment at another New York City Strip
> > Club.

> > It has come to our attention that Abramova has tried to prevent
> > widespread knowledge of her illegal status She also attempted to
> > coerce several American men into marriage, in order to derive
> > immigration benefits. Abramova has in fact made serious threats
> > against the wife of one of the men she seduced, the father of a four
> > year old child. Her immoral and unethical actions are endangering the
> > integrity of this family, and the welfare of this child. Please see
> > the original email she sent to this poor woman, directly following
> > this posting.

> > I must state unequivocally that all of the statements contained herein
> > are factual and verifiable. It is also true that the removal from the
> > USA of Uliana Abramova would not normally be a matter of such urgency,
> > except that she is a person who enjoys creating mischief and havoc.
> > Abramova is an opportunistic depraved person who acts without
> > conscience nor concern for the welfare of any

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http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/290662.html The best-kept
secret: Enforcement actually works By ERNEST ISTOOK The Heritage
Foundation Once again, the states are rebelling against Washington.
Fed up with dithering in D.C., states are proving that enforcement
works. Enforcement can not only prevent illegal immigration but
actually reverse it. Illegal immigrants by the tens of thousands are
leaving states that have adopted tough new laws -- Colorado, Georgia,
Arizona and now Oklahoma. Local efforts are being launched too quickly
to count, involving more than 100 communities so far. When denied jobs
or public benefits, many illegals return to Mexico. Others move within
the U.S. to areas with local amnesty policies. Left-leaning groups are
on the move, too, flocking to the courts in efforts to block state and
local enforcement. Only Congress is standing still -- except for
backsliding efforts to push more back- door amnesty. The details of
the state and local laws vary, but the impact is consistent.
Typically, they deny public benefits to illegal immigrants and try to
make sure that employers don't hire them. Oklahoma's law kicked in
Thursday. Hispanic leaders claim that 25,000 illegal persons departed
the Sooner State before the measure went into effect. Businesses that
catered to them say their sales are down 20 percent. They're backing a
lawsuit challenging the new crackdown. But the crackdown is a gain for
taxpayers. Estimates show that illegal immigrants cost Oklahoma
taxpayers $200 million a year, mostly for education and healthcare.
Arizona's new employer sanctions don't start until Jan. 1. A half
million undocumented people supposedly are awaiting the outcome of
court challenges, but The Arizona Republic still reports the
outmigration already tops 100 per day. Because of Georgia's new law,
businesses with an illegal-alien customer base have seen sales drop as
much as 40 percent. And money wired from Georgia to Mexico and Central
America declined. Similar sales drops are reported elsewhere. Colorado
supplemented its new laws with a special detachment of state troopers.
An Aug. 31 report to the governor said the first month's results
"exceed anyone's expectations," catching 150 illegal immigrants plus
those who smuggle them. State legislators this year introduced some
1,400 immigrant-related bills, and 182 became law. Local ordinances
were proposed or adopted in 104 cities and counties. Bucking the trend
is Illinois, which passed a law prohibiting employers from using a
federal database to screen out illegal immigrants. That's where the
litigation trend cuts both ways: The Department of Homeland Security
is suing Illinois to force it to comply, saying the state can't pick
and choose which federal laws to obey. Current federal enforcement
remains limited, focused on illegals who have committed violent crimes
but not on illegal immigration generally. So-called sanctuary/amnesty
cities are clearly violating federal law, as New York City learned
from a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2000. It's time for the feds to
use that precedent and take other cities and state scofflaws to court.
The battleground is swiftly shifting into court, where activist judges
are eager to side with border violators. One judge blocked federal
officials from notifying millions of employers that their workers may
be using false Social Security numbers. Hazleton, Pa., had its local
ordinance struck down. More lawsuits are pending. Enforcement works,
but liberals want to stifle it before people realize that. The big
claim is that immigration is solely a federal issue. If activist
judges block state and local enforcement, the public reaction could
rival the anger over decisions about abortion and forced busing. But
there's a difference this time: Those controversial rulings claimed
that the Constitution barred action by any level of government. By
demonstrating that enforcement works, state and local governments are
clarifying the issues, and tens of thousands of illegal immigrants are
self-deporting. The public outcry that defeated the amnesty bill this
spring has found a new outlet, keeping the heat on Washington all the
way into the 2008 elections. Ernest Istook is a distinguished fellow
at the Heritage Foundation. He served 14 years as a Republican
congressman from Oklahoma.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats, misc.consumers.frugal-living
From: Louie <luis.river...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:33:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 29 2007 10:33 am
Subject: Re: We Want Illegal Aliens Out of NY Out of USA!!!!!!!
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http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/290662.html

The best-kept secret: Enforcement actually works
By ERNEST ISTOOK
The Heritage Foundation

Once again, the states are rebelling against Washington.

Fed up with dithering in D.C., states are proving that enforcement
works. Enforcement can not only prevent illegal immigration but
actually reverse it.

Illegal immigrants by the tens of thousands are leaving states that
have adopted tough new laws -- Colorado, Georgia, Arizona and now
Oklahoma. Local efforts are being launched too quickly to count,
involving more than 100 communities so far.

When denied jobs or public benefits, many illegals return to Mexico.
Others move within the U.S. to areas with local amnesty policies.

Left-leaning groups are on the move, too, flocking to the courts in
efforts to block state and local enforcement. Only Congress is
standing still -- except for backsliding efforts to push more back-
door amnesty.

The details of the state and local laws vary, but the impact is
consistent. Typically, they deny public benefits to illegal immigrants
and try to make sure that employers don't hire them.

Oklahoma's law kicked in Thursday. Hispanic leaders claim that 25,000
illegal persons departed the Sooner State before the measure went into
effect. Businesses that catered to them say their sales are down 20
percent. They're backing a lawsuit challenging the new crackdown.

But the crackdown is a gain for taxpayers. Estimates show that illegal
immigrants cost Oklahoma taxpayers $200 million a year, mostly for
education and healthcare.

Arizona's new employer sanctions don't start until Jan. 1. A half
million undocumented people supposedly are awaiting the outcome of
court challenges, but The Arizona Republic still reports the
outmigration already tops 100 per day.

Because of Georgia's new law, businesses with an illegal-alien
customer base have seen sales drop as much as 40 percent. And money
wired from Georgia to Mexico and Central America declined. Similar
sales drops are reported elsewhere.

Colorado supplemented its new laws with a special detachment of state
troopers. An Aug. 31 report to the governor said the first month's
results "exceed anyone's expectations," catching 150 illegal
immigrants plus those who smuggle them.

State legislators this year introduced some 1,400 immigrant-related
bills, and 182 became law. Local ordinances were proposed or adopted
in 104 cities and counties.

Bucking the trend is Illinois, which passed a law prohibiting
employers from using a federal database to screen out illegal
immigrants. That's where the litigation trend cuts both ways: The
Department of Homeland Security is suing Illinois to force it to
comply, saying the state can't pick and choose which federal laws to
obey.

Current federal enforcement remains limited, focused on illegals who
have committed violent crimes but not on illegal immigration
generally.

So-called sanctuary/amnesty cities are clearly violating federal law,
as New York City learned from a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2000.
It's time for the feds to use that precedent and take other cities and
state scofflaws to court.

The battleground is swiftly shifting into court, where activist judges
are eager to side with border violators. One judge blocked federal
officials from notifying millions of employers that their workers may
be using false Social Security numbers. Hazleton, Pa., had its local
ordinance struck down. More lawsuits are pending. Enforcement works,
but liberals want to stifle it before people realize that.

The big claim is that immigration is solely a federal issue. If
activist judges block state and local enforcement, the public reaction
could rival the anger over decisions about abortion and forced busing.

But there's a difference this time: Those controversial rulings
claimed that the Constitution barred action by any level of
government.

By demonstrating that enforcement works, state and local governments
are clarifying the issues, and tens of thousands of illegal immigrants
are self-deporting. The public outcry that defeated the amnesty bill
this spring has found a new outlet, keeping the heat on Washington all
the way into the 2008 elections.
Ernest Istook is a distinguished fellow at the Heritage Foundation. He
served 14 years as a Republican congressman from Oklahoma.

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From: Louie <luis.river...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:56:42 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Dec 3 2007 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: We Want Illegal Aliens Out of NY Out of USA!!!!!!!
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original | Remove | Report this message | Find messages by this author
http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/290662.html

The best-kept secret: Enforcement actually works
By ERNEST ISTOOK
The Heritage Foundation

Once again, the states are rebelling against Washington.

Fed up with dithering in D.C., states are proving that enforcement
works. Enforcement can not only prevent illegal immigration but
actually reverse it.

When denied jobs or public benefits, many illegals return to Mexico.
Others move within the U.S. to areas with local amnesty policies.

The details of the state and local laws vary, but the impact is
consistent. Typically, they deny public benefits to illegal immigrants
and try to make sure that employers don't hire them.

But the crackdown is a gain for taxpayers. Estimates show that illegal
immigrants cost Oklahoma taxpayers $200 million a year, mostly for
education and healthcare.

State legislators this year introduced some 1,400 immigrant-related
bills, and 182 became law. Local ordinances were proposed or adopted
in 104 cities and counties.

Current federal enforcement remains limited, focused on illegals who
have committed violent crimes but not on illegal immigration
generally.

But there's a difference this time: Those controversial rulings
claimed that the Constitution barred action by any level of
government.

On Nov 1, 9:43 am, luis.river...@yahoo.com wrote:

- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
> We Want Illegal Aliens Out of NY Out of USA!!!!!!!

> Every body I know agree with this thinking.

> May be this help we allso make report one by one.

> I make report here this Illegal Stripper Uliana Abramova.

> Look at this Illegal Uliana!!! She do all crime use any US American
> man take husband brake family try & blackmail allso!!! She stay in USA
> she do what she like all times. She work in strip club allso hooker!!!
> She have face like weseal some bad animal. Yo can see she have no
> soul. She care for no body only self only dream of $$$$ and more $$$$.
> Any body can see she have no heart or soul.

> Illegal Stripper Ulianahttp://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

> Illegal stripper is psycho for sure. How may illgal do more crime
> beside come here illegal? May be every one. I think so.

> They take to long to drport to her but some time soon this happen.
> Seguro que si.

> Some people think Louie is spammer but all things I put here are true.
> No braking law if every thing yo say is true. People need this info so
> they help to deport to her soon & think to report any criminlal
> illegal. Any body help to her they have trouble allso!!! Mr Sanjay
> talk of law, Give her space to live & job is harboring & helping &
> Illegal allso.

> Please every body should report to Illegal Alien where they know there
> is one. Por favor, this is help to every body. Yo not forget they do
> so many extra crime not just come here illegal!!! This makes bigger
> problem. More crmininals in USA!!!

> Mr Sanjay put up info & I put up again. Every body knows to her now.
> All of us should do this!!! Report on Illegal that we know, write to
> goverment people. Do all things and may be they listen. Seguro que si.
> We push them they have to listen some time if every body thinking this
> way. So many people in agree with us so this happen for sure.

> Louie
> (I am Puerto Rican American)

> ...........

> Subject: We wants Illegal Stripper Uliana Abramova Out of NY out of
> USA!!!!!!!!!!

> Perdon. Picture of Stripper on internet was not working. I think
> before to see it. Run fast where yo see her walk!!!! Protext family
> and self from puta. She take every think from every body when nobody
> stop to her

> Illegal Stripper Ulianahttp://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

> Louie

> ............

> I see this put on some Google groups by Mr Sanja Karam. Now post is
> taken off & I put back.Very wrong what this illegal did, brake visa,
> brake family, try & blackmail wife, get into university to. She does
> all crimes, brake US immigration laws to. This is illegal and psycho
> also. 1 of 25 people psycho like this stripper, doctrs saying. The
> post disappear so here I put it again. what a sick chica so bad. I see
> her picture to flat tits & no good face. they deport her bak to russia
> soon I hope. No good stripper & bad person to.

> Her is info for you to think about so protext self, family job &
> country.

> Picture (new one) of ugly stripper, face like animalhttp://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

> Chat of stripper EXACT PLAN to get into US illegalhttp://www.site2date.com/chat/data/23597_35806.txt

> For Report Illegal Alienhttp://www.reportillegals.com/

> More criminal like Stripperhttp://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/23/080527.php

> Louie
> ..............

> Post from Mr. Sanjay.

> To Whom it May Concern:

> Please be advised that Uliana Abramova, recently dismissed from Scores
> NY West Side, is in flagrant violation of her Non-Immigrant J-1 Visa.
> She is presently based in New York City, and it is likely that she
> will at some point seek employment at another New York City Strip
> Club.

> It has come to our attention that Abramova has tried to prevent
> widespread knowledge of her illegal status She also attempted to
> coerce several American men into marriage, in order to derive
> immigration benefits. Abramova has in fact made serious threats
> against the wife of one of the men she seduced, the father of a four
> year old child. Her immoral and unethical actions are endangering the
> integrity of this family, and the welfare of this child. Please see
> the original email she sent to this poor woman, directly following
> this posting.

> I must state unequivocally that all of the statements contained herein
> are factual and verifiable. It is also true that the removal from the
> USA of Uliana Abramova would not normally be a matter of such urgency,
> except that she is a person who enjoys creating mischief and havoc.
> Abramova is an opportunistic depraved person who acts without
> conscience nor concern for the welfare of any other person. She is
> therefore a liability to anyone who may employ her or come into
> contact with her.

> Abramova affects an innocent, naive demeanor but is predatory,
> unpredictable and dangerous. She is a Russian native and speaks with
> an accent, is 5'5" tall and about 105 lbs., with an extremely slight
> build and wispy hair dyed red or blond. She has altered her appearance
> considerably in the past few years (several surgeries to replace a
> bulbous nose), and may continue to do so in the future.

> We have documentation which indicates that:

> (1) Abramova came to the USA with the definite intention of violating
> the conditions of her temporary, Non- Immigrant, nonrenewable J-1Visa.

> In her own words: Abramova planned and implemented a plan to obtain a
> J-1 visa and then a Social Security number, and intented violation of
> this visa once she arrived in the USA.

...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 4 2007 6:03 am
From: Roderick Stewart

In article <1omdnbaC6ZTBusnaRVnyigA@pipex.net>, Michael Chare wrote:
> > Roderick Stewart wrote:
> > I'm certainly
> >> not snobbish about revolutionary designs that actually improve things.
> >>
> >
> > That will be you. The shiny shiny technophone and elderly set are a
> > different breed ...
> >
>
> Maybe they should take heed of this:
>
> Costly kitchen appliances 'less reliable':
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/03/ncosts103.xml

No probs with my LG washer/dryer so far.

Oh well. Fingers crossed....

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