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TOPIC: Some TV Converter box coupon program questions
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 12:03 am
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <kf8sp35948a0jlhpalbbn581ohu03omgcb@4ax.com>,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>Some questions abt the coupons one can get for
>converter boxes:
>
>1. Can it be used towards a new digital TV or DVD
>recorder to be used as a "converter"?

No.
Only converter boxes that meet the program criteria.

>2. Will the converter boxes have RF modulators in them
>allowing use of old analog TV's with ONLY a coax
>input... no direct inputs?

Yes.
Coupon program mandates that the converter output on ch3/4.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 6:59 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Jeff wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>> Some questions abt the coupons one can get for
>> converter boxes:
>>
>> 1. Can it be used towards a new digital TV or DVD
>> recorder to be used as a "converter"?
>
> No.
>>
>> 2. Will the converter boxes have RF modulators in them
>> allowing use of old analog TV's with ONLY a coax
>> input... no direct inputs?
>
>
> Little reason to as cable is mandated to retain standard TV for
> another couple years. Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
> weren't *any* converter boxes available.
>
> I'd wait to see the products before you apply for a coupon.

If for no other reason than that the coupons expire after 90 days.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Life is complex--it has real and imaginary parts. --anonymous

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 9:19 am
From: me@privacy.net

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>I don't see any reason why a manufacturer couldn't offer this
>feature. I don't know that all of the approved converter boxes
>will, but it would be a helpful feature since by definition the
>boxes are going to be used by late adopters, who may have
>really old TVs.

Agree.... by people like me who are on really tight
budget and are "cheap". <G>

>On the other hand, I expect that as we get closer and closer
>to the switchover day, analog TVs will get so cheap as to be
>either practically or literally free for the taking. At that
>point, you might as well ditch your low-quality obsolete
>television and trade up for a high-quality obsolete television,
>since it will cost you next to nothing. Either that, or pick
>up free (or buy for cheap) about 10 or 20 obsolete televisions
>and set up a wall of televisions in your garage. If you have
>cable TV service, you can split the signal and tune each one
>to a different station, and watch them all at once, just like
>David Bowie in a certain sci-fi movie from the 1970's. :-)

I actually know a guy who has something like the above
in his home.... he is an older bachelor and calls it
his "command" center!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 9:20 am
From: me@privacy.net

Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> Little reason to as cable is mandated to retain standard TV for
>another couple years. Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
>weren't *any* converter boxes available.

I don't have cable and will only have off air
reception.

> Or, you can do what I did and buy a receiver to watch HDTV on your
>computer, mine was $9 after rebate.

Have a link to it?

Thanks

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 9:21 am
From: me@privacy.net

no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID) wrote:

>>2. Will the converter boxes have RF modulators in them
>>allowing use of old analog TV's with ONLY a coax
>>input... no direct inputs?
>
>Yes.
>Coupon program mandates that the converter output on ch3/4.

OK cool!!

Now I wonder if those converter boxes will have any
inputs for other devices such as DVD recorders and
such?

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TOPIC: Open Sourcing Free Energy Technology
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 3:31 am
From: "dbarbie11@gmail.com"

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TOPIC: Very important matter for you
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 3:45 am
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TOPIC: Online TV- Create your own Channels- Who needs high def
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 4:26 am
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TOPIC: What to do if a power line comes down near you?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 5:13 am
From: jdoe

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:12:58 -0800, nospam@noway.net (Ralph) wrote:

>
>I'd think a slow run while picking your feet up would be much safer.
>Plus, if you were shocked, by moving quickly it would possibly shorten
>the duration of the shock and possibly reducing the injury. I wouldn't
>want to stand there thinking about it either, because live wires tend to
>jump around unpredictably.
not too bright! unless you can defy the laws of gravity you will come
down and get shocked again
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 5:17 am
From: "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"

On Jan 27, 8:30 am, "When Reagan died, a demon crawled out of the hole
in his head" <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:53 am, ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > I was wondering what one should do if they find themselves standing on
> > ground that has become electrified due to a downed power line. Since
> > the difference between one spot of ground could easily be hundereds or
> > thousands of volts more than a spot just a foot away, this difference
> > could be very leathal due to the fact that the current travels up one
> > leg, through the heart and down the other leg. With this in mind,
> > would hopping out of the area with both feet together (like you are in
> > a potato sack race) be safest thing to do when leaving since you will
> > be mimimising the voltage difference between your feet?
>
> Since this is a alt.politics, I think it depends on your party
> affiliation. If you're Republican, wait for the Terror Alert to go to
> red, then duct tape yourself inside some plastic tarp and wait for the
> the alert to go to orange or green.
>
> If you're a democrat, blame Bush, Rove and Halliburton until you're
> red in the face or until an unpopular politician pretends to call for
> Impeachment. Then you can just go back to your business as if nothing
> happened.

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TOPIC: Cloth Diapers & Soap Nuts
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 5:30 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Jdunj.3697$ZO5.2263@trnddc03...
>
> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48156c95-468d-488f-b208-3e2c256a2cb7@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 16, 1:57 pm, 7match777 <mej...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> My wife recently purchased a bag of soap nuts to use for cleaning
>>> cloth diapers for our baby girl. They worked better than any other
>>> laundry detergent she had tried. She was so impressed that she bought
>>> them in bulk & opened up an e-store so that she have a home-based
>>> business and still raise our daughter.
>>
>> Maybe we should just buy in bulk too instead of paying $25/lb. for
>> soap and hoping 2oz of shells will clean a load.
>>
> they work just fine, but you can probably find them cheaper.

clarification: i don't have diapers, so i can't say about that, but the soap
nuts
work fine for the rest of my laundry. bio-kleen and bac out (same
company makes both) are supposed to be very good for diapers.

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TOPIC: I Am Through With My Current Phone Carrier
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 6:48 am
From: Jack Bauer

SMH wrote:
> I am done with my current carrier, MetroPCS. The only reason I had them
> was because they had cheap rates to a particular country I was calling: 5
> cents per minute at any hour of the day.
>
> So before I cut off this "service," I want to get opinions about whom I
> should jump to. I am particularly interested in reliable companies with
> affordable overseas rates; I call Istanbul to be in touch with in-laws.
>

I assume that you are asking about cell phone service.

I have t-mobile and have been happy with them, although the experience
has NOT been without a little pain. In their case, it just seems to be
bad management, not dishonesty, since the support people have always
been accessible and have corrected the problems.

There was point where my rebate request was rejected, but they said I
could appeal. When I called and they looked into it, they said the
rebate was on the way AND it was! Also, the rebates were handled by an
outside contractor and T-mobile seems to have at least reduced their
dependence on rebates at this point -- I know the specific phone I
bought is actually LESS now and there is no rebate involved.

I can't really speak about the overseas rates, but their domestic rates
and plans are very competitive.

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TOPIC: Amana Air Command 80 Gas Fired Furnace (4 blinks) troubleshooting
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 6:58 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

If it is the evaporator coil that needs cleaning, it might be a heck of a
lot of work. Depending how the unit is piped in, and how the sheet metal is
worked. Might need to take the freon out of the AC, and take the coil out
from over the furnace. That could be several hours work.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
message news:sMAnj.1753$uE.459@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:34 -0500, Jeff wrote:
> It sounds like he reset a jumper to a higher speed.
OK. That makes sense. I see a LOT of wires in there. Maybe he moved some
around. I should have taken a before/after photo. I did this time so when
he comes tomorrow I'll have something to show beforehand and after it gets
cleaned.

I never knew this cleaning stuff was so important.

BTW, how much do cleanings cost for most of you?
$400?

And, how often do you do them?

He will be here from 10am to 1Pm he said, so, it can't take longer than 3
hours.

Is this reasonable by normal standards?

Donna

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TOPIC: Infidelity and spotting a cheater!
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 7:25 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

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--
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TOPIC: Handbags Online
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 7:58 am
From: xikom03@yeah.net

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TOPIC: 'Second Thoughts about Fluoride,' Reports Scientific American
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 8:20 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

NEW YORK, Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- "Some recent studies
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American editors (January 2008). "Scientific attitudes toward fluoridation
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of
public water supplies theoretically to reduce tooth decay, but with no
scientifically-valid evidence proving safety or effectiveness," says lawyer
Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation.

more here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS108377+02-Jan-2008+PRN20080102

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TOPIC: Zetia: Popular Cholesterol Drug Found to Have No Medical Benefits
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 8:22 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

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TOPIC: Is Your Gucci Bag Authentic?
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 8:30 am
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TOPIC: Finding The Perfect Wedding Dress
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 8:49 am
From: rota6566@yahoo.com.tw

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dress becomes somewhat of an urgency for most brides, who do not want
to wait until the last minute. While dealing with wedding stress and
preparations, be sure to allow yourself plenty of time to try on
different styles and find the one who says "you".

The theme of your wedding will be an important point when selecting
that special dress. Are you getting married on the beach? If so, you
might choose a light airy style. Have you decided on a formal affair?
Then by all means, go all out and wear a white dress covered in silk
and lace. Whatever type of occasion your wedding will be, your dress
will play one of the most important roles in it!

It's also important to think about the month and season you are
getting married in. If you are having a middle of summer wedding, then
you probably shouldn't wear a wedding dress with double layers or long
sleeves. After all, this is supposed to be the most memorable day of
your beginning together. You don't want the biggest memory to be how
much you perspired throughout the ceremony!

When choosing a wedding dress, try on comfortable styles. Walk around
in them, if kneeling is part of your ceremony, then kneel in the dress
and be sure you are not going to be uncomfortable in your choice. The
beauty of the dress is only half of your decision--the other half is
looking beautiful, happy and elegant. You cannot look happy if you are
holding your breath so seams do not pop or you're itchy from the lace
on your arms.

One mistake that a lot of brides tend to make when choosing a wedding
dress is with the size. If you are planning on losing weight before
your big day, do not buy a dress the size you think you may be come
the wedding day. Instead buy the size you are on the day you choose
the

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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 9:17 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

http://thepeopleschemist.com/blog/2008/01/26/fox-news-dangers-of-antidepressants-hidden-by-big-pharma.html

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TOPIC: Any experience with Fresh & Easy stores?
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 9:39 am
From: Seerialmom

Apparently one of these Tesco owned stores is going to be opening in
the spot formerly occupied by Ralphs (formerly occupied by
Albertson's). Just wondering what the "best" items they sell are and
whether they are lower/same/higher priced than the average chain
supermarket?

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TOPIC: Get Cash Today!!!
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 10:10 am
From: cns

You have got to check this out!

http://60.MacroBucks.com/?referral=2842

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